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02:12 < Heimidal> I'm trying to get fink running on 10.4 for the first time. I'm following the directions on the homepage, but running 'fink selfupdate' and then 'fink reinstall fink' results in 0.23.9 being overwritten with the same version. any help?
02:19 < htodd> hmm
02:21 < Heimidal> it seems that setting up the unstable trees fixes it
02:34 < htodd> I think everyone else is asleep now
02:34 < htodd> as I should be
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03:38 < cmk> howdy
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04:04 < Airo> Where's the taglib-shlibs package?
04:04 < Airo> amarok needs it
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05:57 < chimaera> hi.
06:06 < chimaera> where can i find taglib in cvs?
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09:16 < Nautaki> i'm sorry if this has been discussed several times already but i cant get fink selfupdate in tiger, i get an 404 from sourceforge for the file CURRENT-FINK-10.4-transitional. i think i have followed all the directions found on fink.sf.net 
09:17 < Nautaki> i suppose everybody is bugging you with this
09:17 < Nautaki> any ideas?
09:17 < Melian> Yeah, I have an idea!  But I'll need a bag full of rutabagas, a little sauerkraut, and 5 or 6 sex-crazed goats.  And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes!
09:18 < Nautaki> just let me pick up my phone ;)
09:18 < Nautaki> directions, instructions, whatever
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09:33 < eaon> megahal!
09:33 < eaon> Wait, is that a bot?
09:34 < eaon> Or are you just trying to trick everyone?
09:35 < eaon> Short question: svn-ssl currently breaks on installing - if I install svn will I be able to use repositories that make use of SSL?
09:35 < eaon> I feel a little dumb asking.
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09:59 < baba> anyone alive?
10:06 < pogma> nope
10:07 < pogma> all dead, all the time :)
10:07 < baba> gee
10:08 < baba> i posted a Q to fink-devel about crypto
10:08 < baba> pogma zombie, please answer!
10:09 < pogma> baba: sorry, non-sober
10:09  * baba passes his precious beer to pogma to get back from the hell
10:09 < pogma> baba: if it is a "foo-ssl | foo" then it can go in dists happily
10:10 < baba> is it ok to depend on foo-ssl | foo?
10:10 < pogma> baba: yes
10:10 < baba> ah, i sort wasted my efforts, then
10:11 < pogma> yeah, I think so, so sorry, just got back from beer garden
10:11 < pogma> summer is here, beer gardens are open :-)
10:12 < baba> so, even foo depends on bar-ssl, it can happily sit in main
10:12 < pogma> as long as it depends on "bar-ssl | bar", i.e. it must be possible to build foo without having crypto tree enabled
10:13  * pogma is amazed that that seemed to make sense :)
10:13  * pogma must need more beer
10:15 < baba> how about if there is only -ssl version?
10:16 < pogma> ah
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10:16 < pogma> then it equires the crypto tree
10:16 < pogma> and needs to be in the crypto tree
10:16 < pogma> requires
10:17 < pogma> baba: also don't worry about dists/cvs
10:17 < pogma> baba: you filed a support request, it will be removed
10:18 < baba> yeah
10:18 < baba> but weird, i cannot even guess how i made the directory
10:36 < pogma> heh, love it, dlsym on a library that directly and indirectly depends on 66 other libraries with an undefined symbol will result in those 66 libraries being searched for the symbol several million times
10:37  * pogma expects to find the exact number some time tomorrow, still running the test :)
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10:50 < att> hi all.
10:52 < att> I have been looking in the FAQ for using fink headers to build projects outside of fink, can anybody point me in the right direction?
10:52 < clepple> ./configure --prefix=/sw
10:52 < pogma> compile-myself?
10:53 < att> I thought I remember seeing something in the FAQ about setting some environment variables.
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10:53 < pogma> !compile-myself
10:53 < Melian> pogma: I give up, what is it?
10:53 < pogma> bum
10:53 < pogma> it is in the faq
10:53 < att> I can't seem to find the topic.
10:53 < att> do you know what number it is?
10:53 < pogma> it says 'export CPPFLAGS=-I/sw/include'
10:54 < att> a ha!
10:54 < pogma> export LDFLAGS=-L/sw/lib
10:54 < pogma> ./configure; make
10:54 < att> that's what I was looking for.
10:54 < att> thank you sir.
10:55 < att> (or madam, whichever)
10:55 < pogma> whichever
10:55 < att> hahaha
10:56 < baba> and maybe CFLAGS?
10:56 < baba> Madam Pogma
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10:56 < clepple> baba: I think CPPFLAGS covers both C and C++
10:58 < att> I am trying to compile monodevelop from source.
10:59 < att> (outside of fink, because fink seems to fail everytime)
11:00 < pogma> att: OS 10.3?
11:00 < att> 10.4
11:00 < att> never worked on 10.3
11:00 < att> well, worked once.
11:00 < att> but not by following the documented instructions
11:00 < pogma> att: Please contact the maintainer and say that it fails to build for you
11:01 < baba> clepple, what are the differences of CFLAGS, CPPFLAGS and CXXFLAGS?
11:01 < pogma> att: I know that he maintains lots of packages, so he may be unaware
11:01 < att> I have been on the monodevelop channel at gimpnet
11:01 < clepple> CPPFLAGS -> for the preprocessor
11:01 < pogma> CFLAGS = compiler flgas
11:01 < pogma> CPPFLAGS = C preprocessor flags
11:01 < clepple> CFLAGS can also contain preprocessor flags, but it is also C-specific
11:01 < pogma> CXXFLAGS= c++ flags
11:02 < pogma> for most autotools packages CPPFLAGS=-I/sw/include works fine
11:02 < pogma> for non-autotools packages, some other work may be needed
11:03 < baba> in my packages, i set CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS
11:03 < baba> so i should change to CPPFLAGS
11:03 < clepple> well, sometimes when people write their own makefiles, they don't use all the C*FLAGS in the same manner
11:04 < pogma> baba: maybe, if what you have currently done works, then leave it, it is fine
11:04 < clepple> so watch out for regressions if you do change over
11:04 < att> for reference, do any of you know what FAQ section that is?
11:04 < pogma> att: no, the bot used to know, but seems to have forgotten :)
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11:05 < att> and I don't know how to use the bot, so that's a non-point I gues.
11:05 < att> guess.
11:06 < pogma> http://fink.sourceforge.net/faq/usage-general.php?phpLang=en#compile-myself
11:06 < att> a ha, I didn't understand what you guys meant by "compile-myself" earlier.
11:07 < pogma> I was trying to trigger the bot to respond with above url
11:07 < pogma> but the bot let me down :(
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11:08 < att> I see.
11:08 < att> thanks pogma.
11:08 < pea_> hi
11:10 < pea_> is firefox in Fink package?
11:11 < pea_> hi ?
11:11 < pogma> I don't know, one sec
11:11 < att> probably not.
11:11 < pea_> i can only find mozilla
11:11 < att> yeah
11:12 < pea_> what a pity
11:12 < pogma> pea_: firefox is there
11:12 < pogma> 1.0-4
11:12 < pea_> and no gimp 2, too
11:12 < pea_> really?
11:12 < pogma> gimp2 is there too, where are you looking?
11:13 < pea_> search in fink
11:13 < pea_> fink commander
11:13 < pogma> what OS ?
11:13 < pea_> panther
11:14 < att> so, another question, not really a "fink" question, but you guys are smart, you can help, please.
11:14 < pogma> try looking in unstabled too
11:14 < att> it's failing to configure because it can't find some fink installed packages, even after doing all the above.
11:15 < baba> ?listpaste url
11:15 < att> I have the error message if you guys want me to paste it somewhere.
11:15 < baba> oops
11:15 < pea_> i've already update the fink , it always says that my gcc too old.
11:15 < baba> ?lisppaste url
11:15 < pea_> pogma: i am going to try it
11:17 < pea_> pogma: i can't find the firefox
11:18 < pea_> my fink version is 0.7.2
11:18 < att> http://paste.lisp.org/display/8462
11:18 < pogma> pea_: I don't know
11:18 < att> I am not sure why it didn't pump it into here.
11:18 < att> but whatever.
11:19 < pea_> Failed: Can't resolve dependency "gcc3.1" for package "xfree86-4.4.0-13" (no matching packages/versions found)
11:19 < pea_> what's the problem
11:19 < baba> att: Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gtk+-2.0.pc'
11:19 < baba> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
11:20 < att> I would have expected it to be in the /sw/lib/pkgconfig dir...
11:21 < pea_> perhaps i should not update my fink
11:22 < pea_> or I should update my gcc
11:22 < baba> pea_, is ur porblem something like this?  http://fink.sourceforge.net/faq/upgrade-fink.php#gcc-0.16.0
11:22 < pea_> let me have a look
11:22 < baba> att, the error message is asking you to set an environmental variable. probably it cannot fint it automatically
11:23 < att> yeah - but I am not sure where to point it.
11:24 < baba> att: something like "export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/sw/lib/pkgconfig" 
11:25 < att> that's the first one in my PKG_CONFIG_PATH
11:27 < baba> att: do you have gtk+-2.0.pc in /sw/lib/pkgconfig?
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11:28 < att> it's not there, but I have gtk2 installed.
11:28 < baba> then that's the problem
11:28 < att> yeah
11:28 < baba> where is it?
11:28 < att> agreed, but I am not sure why..
11:28 < att> that is the question, isn't it.
11:29 < Zugwrack> Ok everyone...I am reading about bundle-kde at sourceforge page...however even though I have unstable(both) enabled...I don't even see a listing for bundle anything for KDE or Gnome...however the page indicates that I should have a list at least for the source?
11:29 < Zugwrack> This is tiger with 23.9 installed 
11:29 < att> you need to re-index after you enable "unstable"
11:29 < Zugwrack> att I have..
11:30 < att> hmmph.
11:30 < att> I am not a guru, that was just a gut reaction answer.
11:30 < att> so somebody else in here is probably better to answer.
11:31 < att> hmm, gtk+2.0-dev wasn't installed.
11:32 < att> err, gtk+2-dev
11:32 < baba> att: do you have gtk+2-dev installed?
11:32 < baba> ah, u found it
11:32 < att> yes
11:33 < att> thanks for the help baba
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11:52 < Sess> gimp2-noprint failed to build
11:52 < Sess> :(
11:54 < att> sess - I would just grab "gimp-app"
11:54 < att> it's the "easy way" to get gimp on your system.
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11:57 < pogma> att: before you made that suggestion, did you a) try and help Sess with his current issue, b) figure out that Sess's issue was not fixable within fink c) try and solve his/her problem in another manner involving fink?
11:57 < att> I didn't.
11:57 < att> I should, I know.
11:58 < jerwin> I would help, but gimp2 is still downloading
11:59 < pogma> gimp2 is indeed unlikely to build, feanor, the maintainer, has not had a chance to fix it on tiger afaik
11:59 < Feanor> gimp2 is not expected to build, but noprint certainly is
11:59 < Feanor> lisppaste url
11:59 < lisppaste> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink and enter your paste.
11:59 < Feanor> Sess: can you paste the error there?
11:59 < pogma> oops, hi Feanor 
12:00 < baba> saturday night~ saturday night~
12:04 < Sess> let me just apologize for being a complete moron
12:05 < Sess> fink did install gimp2
12:05 < Sess> it dind't build evolution
12:05 < Sess> I had no idea the executable was called gimp-2.0
12:05 < Sess> instead of just gimp like on ilnux
12:05 < Sess> I can live without evolution, 2.5 days to build xchat, gaim, and gimp2
12:05 < Sess> :-D
12:08 < pea_> what a long time
12:08 < pea_> i can't find gimp2 in my fink
12:08 < pea_> 0.7.2
12:08 < Sess>  gotta have unstable trees
12:09 < pea_> how to search it?
12:09 < Sess> ?
12:09 < Sess> do you have the unstable trees added to your config?
12:10 < pea_> i don't know how to add
12:10 < Sess> read the faq for more info
12:10 < Sess> but basically just add unstable/main unstable/crypto to your trees line in fink.conf
12:10 < Sess> then fink seflupdate
12:10 < pea_> ok
12:10 < Sess> fink index
12:11 < pea_> i'll try it
12:11 < Sess> I strongly reocmmend reading the unstable info in the faq
12:12 < pea_> ok
12:13 < Sess> does this fink gimp3 support pressure settings on my tablet?
12:13 < Sess> I don't have it here to test 
12:13 < Sess> but I know that the gimp.app version doesn't 
12:14 < pea_> i compile and install xfree with fink.  but can't start it with command : startx
12:15 < pea_> i can start xfree double click xdarwin.app
12:17 < Sess> isn't that a virtual package
12:18 < pea_> virtual package?
12:18 < pea_> i'm a newbie
12:21 < Sess> I believe virtual packages just fulfil dependancies, and may link to apple X11 alternate resources 
12:22 < pea_> may be I should read about handbook first
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12:25 < pea_> what's the mean of "outdate"?
12:26 < pea_> thank Sess, i now find gimp2
12:26 < newmanbe> What says what is outdated?
12:26 < pea_> just add unstable/main unstable/crypto to fink.conf
12:26 < pea_> my package status
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12:27 < pea_> in finkcommander
12:27 < newmanbe> It means that there is a newer version available.
12:27 < pea_> oh, i know,thanks
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12:29 < Sess> np
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12:36 < Sess> n e 1 know any p2p clients inside fink?
12:36 < newmanbe> I know there is bittornado (for Bittorrent).
12:37 < newmanbe> And whatever packages you submit. :)
12:37 < Sess> no, Im looking for something using gnutella or gnutella2 network
12:37 < Feanor> gtk-gnutella, openft
12:37 < Feanor> er
12:37 < Feanor> gift
12:38 < newmanbe> Sess: you can try running "fink apropos gnutella".
12:38 < pea_> finkCommander always forgets to popup the response window
12:38 < Sess> fink also supports apropos?!?!?
12:38 < Sess> I thought that was only ports
12:38 < newmanbe> Yep.
12:38 < pea_> is that a bug?
12:38 < newmanbe> pea_: probably.
12:39 < newmanbe> There don't think there has been any FinkCommander releases recently.
12:39 < newmanbe> s/there/I
12:39 < drm> not for years, actually
12:39 < pea_> so
12:40 < Sess> pea: live dangerously
12:41 < Sess> use fink command line
12:41 < Sess> :-D
12:42 < newmanbe> Ha, there is documentation in the experimental tree in CVS.
12:42 < newmanbe> Experimental documentation.
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12:44 < veggie> Ok I have fink with Tiger and on the fink website it says that there's an unstable cvs/rsync version availble
12:44 < veggie> for ettercap-ssl
12:44 < veggie> but when I do fink install ettercap-ssl it says there's no package with that name
12:44 < Feanor> !unstable
12:44 < Melian> I heard unstable is http://fink.sourceforge.net/faq/usage-fink.php#unstable, or at http://fink.sourceforge.net/faq/usage-fink.php#bindist
12:44 < veggie> in my fink.conf I put main/unstable and crypto/unstable
12:44 < newmanbe> Did you selfupdate?
12:45 < veggie> whoops
12:45 < veggie> didn't run selfupdate
12:45 < veggie> ^_^
12:45 < veggie> thank you
12:46 < pea_> Sess: yes, I think so
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14:01  * newmanbe is writing a script to make a map of the world, US, and Japan instead of just the world.
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14:20  * newmanbe doesn't like the config files used by xplanet!
14:20 < newmanbe> Making me have multiple configuration files.
14:25 < Feanor> oh bad RR
14:25 < Feanor> gimp-print7-dev: /usr/include/gimp-print/gimp-print.h
14:26 < newmanbe> RangerAway, not RR. :)
14:26 < newmanbe> Wow, /me's client expanded RA to RangerAway.
14:26 < newmanbe> How nice of it.
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14:48 < Sess> you Jerks!
14:49 < Sess> it worked!
14:49 < Sess> :)
14:49 < Sess> now I need a browser to use in apple x11
14:49 < Sess> any recmomendations?
14:49 < Sess> I would use firefox, but I can't dwonload it for X11
14:50 < Sess> or at least I haven't found out how 
14:52 < deltaecho> Sess, fink install firefox?
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14:56 < Erik____> hi
14:56 < Erik____> i installed fink for osx 10.4.1 
14:56 < Erik____> i get this :
14:56 < Erik____> $ fink install gnupg
14:56 < Erik____> Information about 1698 packages read in 1 seconds.
14:56 < Erik____> Failed: Can't resolve dependency "libusb-shlibs" for package "gnupg-1.2.4-2" (no matching packages/versions found)
14:56 < Bart_> howdy
14:56 < newmanbe> Hello.
14:57 < Erik____> its fink : Package manager version: 0.23.9
14:57 < Erik____> Distribution version: 0.7.1.rsync
14:57 < Erik____> :)
14:57 < Erik____> all my packages are compiled perfectly except that gnupg.. 
14:57 < Bart_> anybody knows how can i change in safari between the particular safari tabs?
14:57 < Bart_> with keys?
14:57 < newmanbe> libusb is only in unstable.
14:58 < Erik____> damn:p 
14:58 < Erik____> will it be in stable soon newmanbe ?
14:58  * newmanbe doesn't make that decision.
14:58 < Erik____> :)
14:58 < Erik____> but thx for helping
14:58 < newmanbe> But gnupg is in stable.
14:58 < cirdan> yo
14:59 < Erik____> yes but cannot compile it:p
15:00  * newmanbe thinks that someone made an error somewhere.
15:00 < Sess> get out o fhere, there's a fink firefox package?!?1
15:00 < newmanbe> Yes.
15:00 < cirdan> heh
15:00 < Sess> man thats aWESOEM
15:00 < cirdan> openoffice, too
15:01  * newmanbe heard that OO.o takes for ever to build.
15:01 < newmanbe> > one day.
15:01 < cirdan> kde >= 5 days :-)
15:01 < Sess> its gtaking a lifetime to install this p2p clients
15:01 < Sess> these
15:01 < cirdan> which?
15:01 < cirdan> gift? :-)
15:02 < Erik____> i must say the development is very good at fink.. i installed fink a few weeks ago.. irssi didn't connect, gtetrinet didn't show fonts.. thats all fixed now.. its only few details..
15:02 < Sess> yes, gift and gtk-gnutella
15:02 < cirdan> gift has a gnutella plugin :-)
15:02 < cirdan> it's not too bad
15:02 < Sess> gift is better I assume
15:02 < Sess> how long has firefox taken to build/
15:02 < Sess> ?
15:02 < cirdan> dunno
15:03 < newmanbe> Erik____: You may want to send an e-mail to the fink-dev mailing list saying that gnupg is in stable and one of its dependencies is in  unstable (libusb).
15:03 < newmanbe> Not as long as Mozilla.
15:03 < deltaecho> OOffice compiles?
15:04 < deltaecho> saweet
15:04 < Erik____> can youb do it newmanbe ?:p
15:04  * newmanbe has CVS access but I don't know if I have access to that.
15:04 < newmanbe> I am not the person for that.
15:05 < cirdan> newmanbe: you have the access to, but the maintainer or core dev should prolly do it
15:05 < Erik____> i will see hat i can do.. but thx a lot for advice.. 
15:05 < Sess> buildlock rules1
15:05 < Sess> 1
15:05 < Sess> firefox and gift simultameous instalation and builds
15:07 < deltaecho> Sess, apparently that isn't recommended
15:07 < Feanor> buildlock should work
15:08 < Sess> wow, I put 1 instead of ! twice
15:09  * newmanbe would probably mess something up with CVS if I tried that anyway. :)
15:10 < newmanbe> !alicekill segmentation fault
15:10  * Melian I want to kill segmentation fault, I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill segmentation fault. Kill. I wanna see segmentation fault's blood and gore and guts and have segmentation fault's veins in my teeth.  Eat segmentation fault's dead burnt body.  I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL.  and I jump around with segmentation fault, yelling "KILL, KILL"
15:11 < Feanor> !alicekill Melian
15:11  * Melian I want to kill Melian, I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill Melian. Kill. I wanna see Melian's blood and gore and guts and have Melian's veins in my teeth.  Eat Melian's dead burnt body.  I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL.  and I jump around with Melian, yelling "KILL, KILL"
15:12 < cirdan> Melian: listvalues ^($who):
15:12 < Melian> Factoid search of '^($who):' by value returned no results.
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15:14 < Sess> odd
15:14 < Sess> I thought this xchat supported a terminal window
15:14 < Sess> tab
15:14 < cirdan> !alicekill typos
15:14  * Melian I want to kill typos, I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill typos. Kill. I wanna see typos's blood and gore and guts and have typos's veins in my teeth.  Eat typos's dead burnt body.  I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL.  and I jump around with $nick, yelling "KILL, KILL"
15:15 < cirdan> grr
15:15 < akh> cirdan:  Thought that was my line.
15:15 < akh> ;-)
15:16  * newmanbe script was going so nicely too. :(
15:17 < Sess> is there a way for fink to report how long it took to build a package and/or it dependancies?
15:17 < cirdan> use time
15:17 < cirdan> time fink build foo
15:17 < Sess> but there's no way to determine how long each individual package took
15:17 < cirdan> no
15:18 < Sess> I just wanted to try and compare how long it takes to build my deisred package vs its dependencies
15:18 < akh> There might be a kluge.
15:19 < akh> If you keep the build directory you can check it's creation time vs the creation time of the .deb.
15:19 < akh> its
15:19 < akh> hmmm....very strange.  Apt-ftparchive worked just fine on this box.
15:19 < Sess> by the time the 10.4 binary set is available, I would have built enough dependent packages that binary installs vs source builts would be moot
15:20 < Sess> hmm, that was an awkward sentence
15:21 < akh> We get the drift though--what you're saying is that there won't be any need to bother trying to use the binary distribution.
15:21 < akh> As you'll have built everything there already.
15:26 < Sess> yes thats exactly it
15:26 < newmanbe> Can I create a experimental/newmanbe for my currently semi-working script for generating the map?
15:26 < akh> Sess:  That's pretty much always the case.
15:27 < akh> newmanbe:  absolutely.\
15:27 < newmanbe> Okay.
15:27 < akh> That's what it's there for.  :-)
15:27 < Sess> one more thing, I've been using E in fullscreen apple X11 for  my wm, and I was trying to set up custom menus to link to my newly finked packages, but I noticed the menus in .enlightenment are already filled, yet my E menu only has xterm and xman.  what gives?
15:27 < newmanbe> No one ever said I could, just making sure.
15:28 < newmanbe> Did you try restarting X11?
15:28 < akh> Sess:  not sure--it's been a long time since I've played with Enlightenment, anywhere.
15:28 < att> how did you set an alternate wm?
15:28 < Sess> well, the menu was already there is what Im saying
15:28 < att> this is something I have been curious about.
15:29 < Sess> att: I created a .xinitrc in my home directory
15:29 < Sess> put . /sw/bin/init.sh in it
15:29 < Sess> and then /sw/bin/enlightenment at the end
15:29 < Sess> or you can copy the global xinitrc to your ~/.xinitrc
15:29 < Sess> and change aqua-wm to whatever your custom wm is
15:30 < Sess> but it looks stupid if you use it rootless
15:30 < Sess> kde over aqua for example is very difficult to work with when the dock is on the bootm
15:30 < Sess> bottom of the screen
15:30 < Sess> :q
15:30 < akh> Yup--but you can move either the OS X dock or kicker.
15:31 < att> well, if you could get rid of the aqua dock, it would be better.
15:31 < akh> (or whatever the kde taskbar is called)
15:31 < att> I HATE the aqua dock.
15:31 < akh> att:  You can kill it manually.
15:31 < newmanbe> Other things stop working then.
15:31 < Sess> personally I like apple x in fullscreen mode
15:32 < Sess> with enlightenment running
15:32 < Sess> oddly, imlib cant use shared memory in Apples X
15:32 < Sess> and for some reason I can't access hardware opengl under X
15:32 < akh> That may be a kernel issue.
15:32 < att> I am a big rootless fan.
15:32 < Feanor> darwin's sysv SHM is broken
15:32 < Bart_> Sess thats normal
15:32 < Feanor> and always has been
15:32 < Feanor> and always will be
15:33 < Bart_> i´m a rootless fan with the aqua wm
15:33 < att> my only beef is that different apps should show up separately when I command tab - which is feasible...
15:33 < akh> always?  That's unfortunate.
15:33 < Sess> :(
15:33 < Sess> what about the opengl?
15:33 < Sess> also a dream
15:33 < Sess> ?
15:33 < Bart_> att you use the aqua wm?
15:33 < Feanor> opengl works fine in rootless mode
15:33 < att> I do.
15:34 < att> never had any issues.
15:34 < Bart_> me, too
15:34 < Bart_> i had a little bit issues with the fink path
15:34 < att> although, probably the only thing that I've used that I think uses it is xgalage.
15:34 < Feanor> it could be recoded to work in fullscreen but it doesn't atm
15:34 < att> xgalaga
15:34 < Bart_> i have for open a new xterm now the command xterm -ls
15:34 < Bart_> that i get fink on the command line
15:34 < akh> Yup.
15:34 < Bart_> att what is xgalaga?
15:34 < deltaecho> has anybody here installed OOffice?
15:35 < Sess> this E menu business is really pissing me off
15:35 < deltaecho> via fink, that is?
15:35 < Sess> xgalaga is awesome
15:35 < Sess> you can build it in like 10 secodns
15:35 < akh> deltaecho:  via fink, or otherwise?
15:35 < att> bart: clone of classic video game
15:35 < deltaecho> akh, former
15:35 < Sess> almost arcade perfect clone
15:35 < Bart_> ahh nice
15:35 < att> fink install xgalaga - takes very little time to install.
15:35 < Bart_> i will installed now 
15:35 < Bart_> ;)
15:35 < att> one of my favorites
15:35 < Bart_> don´t forget i have a ibook g3 with 800 mhz and 640 mb ram
15:35 < Bart_> ;)
15:35 < Bart_> 12"
15:36 < akh> deltaecho:  tried a while back and it errored out.  I sent a log on to the maintainer.  
15:36 < Sess> I built in on my g4 400 agp in under a minute
15:36 < Bart_> but i love it.. and i have a ibook g4 keyboard in it
15:36 < Bart_> ;)
15:36 < Sess> I think I might buy a mini
15:36 < Sess> its just that I need way more than 120G of hd space
15:36 < Bart_> Sess when i have money then i buy a mini too
15:36 < deltaecho> isnt the mini's hdd shiyt?
15:36 < Bart_> no
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15:37 < Sess> and Im very used to having a gig of ram
15:37 < att> bart: had a 12in 866, takes about 5 minutes or less.
15:37 < Bart_> Sess you use tiger right?
15:37 < Sess> yes
15:37 < Bart_> att k
15:37 < att> upgraded to the 1.5, love it.
15:37  * deltaecho is moving from 256 -> 768 during the summer
15:38 < Bart_> hehe yes my 640 mb ram is the minimum for tiger i think
15:38 < deltaecho> hoping it will be a good upgrade
15:38 < Bart_> surly
15:38 < att> have 512, no issues.
15:38  * akh is much happier with 1.25 gigs on my Powerbook and 2 gigs on my tower.
15:38 < att> but an upgrade might help it a bit.
15:38 < Sess> its just that those damn widgets eat up like 200 megs of ram when theyre active
15:38 < att> what does everyone think? is tiger (ram) hungry?
15:38 < Bart_> att sure ... but not more then 10.3.9
15:39 < deltaecho> att, it feels it
15:39 < Sess> no way, panther wasn't a ram hog 
15:39 < Sess> panther used ram based on apps you ran
15:39 < Bart_> i think fewer even
15:39 < Sess> tiger hoards ram 
15:39 < akh> But from a build standpoint, Tiger's linker seems faster.
15:39 < deltaecho> dashboard and spotlight feel kind of bloaty
15:39 < Sess> and releases it when is called
15:39 < deltaecho> with optimisation things will be much nicer
15:39 < Sess> spotlight is cool
15:39 < Sess> I really like smartfolders
15:39 < Bart_> Sess no not so nice
15:40 < Bart_> i like smartfolders only in mail.app
15:40 < deltaecho> i might advise spotlight not to index my /sw/src folder
15:40 < Sess> lol
15:40 < Bart_> deltaecho how you can make it
15:40 < Sess> does spotlight index the hidden unix folders?
15:40 < Bart_> Sess no!
15:40 < deltaecho> Bart_, there is a way, can't remember where i read it
15:40 < Sess> I thought it only indexed folders that could be seen normally in the gui
15:41 < Sess> and then excluded folders that were hidden and or explicitly named by the user
15:41 < Sess> man firefox is still building
15:41 < Sess> and it was an individual package
15:42 < deltaecho> well, it's a ~ XX mb package for native
15:42 < Bart_> xgalaga is finish
15:43 < att> see
15:43 < Sess> 31 megs tarred and feathered
15:43 < Sess> :-D
15:43 < att> you can force spotlight to index stuff.
15:43 < Sess> me thinks Ill play xgalaga
15:43 < att> check out macosxhints.net for info.
15:44 < Bart_> hmm i have found a bug
15:44 < Bart_> when i open a xterm .. sometimes it closed immediately
15:44 < Bart_> and the next open normal
15:45 < Bart_> and it is irregularly
15:45 < deltaecho> Bart_, i get that too
15:45 < deltaecho> no idea why
15:45 < deltaecho> have a feeling it's a problem with my .xinitrc file
15:45 < Sess> he he he
15:45 < Sess> thats what you get for beeing rootless
15:45 < Sess> being
15:46 < Sess> damn, Im still drunk from last night
15:46 < Bart_> hehe Sess it´s not funny its angry
15:46 < att> never have an issue with xterm
15:46 < akh> Check console.log for those xterm issues.
15:46 < Bart_> k
15:46 < Sess> yes, fullscreen X with enlightenment is where its at gentlemen
15:46 < Sess> you rootless x users need to accept the glitches as normal
15:47  * deltaecho goes about packaging pyslsk-1.2.7b
15:47 < Bart_> bash: no job control in this shell
15:47 < deltaecho> since it's not being actively maintained
15:47 < att> if you don't need to access any aqua apps concurrently, it is.
15:47 < Bart_> that is what console.app sas
15:48 < akh> Bart_:  I've had that one too.
15:48 < Bart_> ok.
15:48 < Bart_> do you ignore it?
15:48 < akh> Yup.
15:48 < Bart_> ok
15:48 < akh> It doesn't happen much anymore.
15:48 < Bart_> k... then i ignore it too
15:49 < akh> It's mostly harmless, anyway.
15:49 < deltaecho> i just closed X11 and reopened it 3 times with no problems
15:49 < deltaecho> Bart_, Applications/Utilities/Console.app
15:50  * akh can't close X11 successfully anymore.  I think it's a "feature" of KDE 3.4
15:50 < akh> It tries to restart KDE when I quit.
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15:50 < akh> (actually, I can quit X11/XDarwin--just can't log out of KDE via its button)
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15:51 < akh> Maybe if I get bored I'll bug RangerRick about it.  ;-)
15:51 < Bart_> deltaecho there is only that bash: no job control thing
15:51 < akh> Console.app reads console.log so there won't be any new info.
15:52 < akh> If it gets more frequent try logging out.
15:52 < akh> (of OS X)
15:52 < Bart_> and then?
15:53 < akh> Log back in.
15:54 < Bart_> k
15:54 < akh> A bit of garbage collection.
15:56 < Bart_> hehe
15:57 < StoneTux> stupid question but is there a PPC native compiler like intel's ICC?
15:57  * newmanbe has no idea what ICC is.
15:58 < StoneTux> intel c compiler
15:58 < newmanbe> gcc?
15:58 < Feanor> what do you mean by "like"?
15:58 < StoneTux> it's rather good at making fast binarys for IA32 CPUs
15:59 < Feanor> there certainly aren't PPC compiler by intel
15:59 < Feanor> *compilers
15:59 < StoneTux> writen to make very efficent code from C for PPC CPUs
15:59 < StoneTux> I know that...
15:59 < newmanbe> If there was, it could also be called ICC: IBM C Compiler. :)
16:00 < akh> There is an IBM compiler for G5s.
16:00 < Feanor> Motorola and IBM both have their own PPC compilers
16:00 < Feanor> Motorola's is in CodeWarrior and sucks for the G5
16:00 < akh> Ah
16:00 < Feanor> IBM's is XLC, which miscompiles things and isn't any good below the G5
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16:00 < Feanor> there are many IBM and Apple employees working on gcc
16:00 < StoneTux> okay then...
16:01 < akh> That's funny.
16:01 < StoneTux> so no advantage over gcc then
16:03 < RangerAway> Feanor: bad RangerAway fixed that in the next revision  ;)
16:04 < Feanor> ok, good
16:04 < akh> RangerAway:  How about my KDE restart thing?
16:04 < Feanor> just hacking gimp's configure script to accept it didn't work because they changed the API too much, so i'm going to copy the plugin code in from the gimp-print source
16:04 < RangerAway> akh: never heard of it... can you be more specific?
16:05 < akh> RangerAway:  When I quit KDE via its Logout button, it quits and restarts itself.
16:05 < akh> 3.4 on Panther.
16:05 < RangerAway> weird
16:05 < RangerAway> I'll see if I can reproduce, but I've not seen that at all, ever  :)
16:05 < akh> It's the same on both of my boxes.
16:06 < akh> Not really a big deal, but I want to make sure that I don't develop a corrupt saved session somehow.
16:12 < StoneTux> how long will a fresh fink install take from scratch on a 1.25GHz G4?
16:12 < cirdan> not long
16:12 < cirdan> hour maybe
16:12 < newmanbe> To do what?
16:12 < cirdan> install fink
16:13 < StoneTux> yeah right...
16:13 < cirdan> unless u do a bin install, then it's a few mins
16:13 < StoneTux> been going about 1h 20 already
16:13 < cirdan> what app is it building?
16:13 < cirdan> ok, maybe 2 hrs
16:14 < StoneTux> apt by the looks of it..
16:14 < deltaecho> are you encoding at the same time!
16:14 < deltaecho> apt is the final package to build
16:14 < cirdan> that takes a little time
16:14 < StoneTux> I'm doing a ./boostrap.sh /sw
16:14 < StoneTux> ah okay..
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16:31 < jerwin> hello.
16:32 < jerwin> is no one here?
16:32 < newmanbe> Hello.
16:32 < att> hello
16:32 < jerwin> can you move a package to stable for me?
16:32 < newmanbe> No.
16:33 < newmanbe> Well, I can, but I won't.
16:33 < jerwin> why not?
16:33 < newmanbe> Because I am not the person to do that.
16:33 < jerwin> and who is the person to do that?
16:33 < runelind> anyone try the new MPlayer for tiger?
16:33 < runelind> it seems horked
16:34 < att> "horked"?
16:34 < runelind> doesn't want to play anything
16:34 < att> hmmm.
16:34 < att> let me see.
16:34 < jerwin> a nasty cough?
16:34 < att> you are talking the fink package?
16:34 < att> or just the binary?
16:35 < newmanbe> You should either e-mail the maintainer or the fink-dev mailing list.
16:35 < jerwin> but I am the maintainer.
16:35 < runelind> http://mplayerosx.sourceforge.net/
16:35 < newmanbe> Oh.
16:35 < runelind> oh there is a new one
16:35 < jerwin> exactly.
16:35  * newmanbe has never done that before.
16:36 < jerwin> a first time for everything.
16:37 < runelind> blah
16:37 < runelind> I can't change audio tracks in this player like I can with the linux version
16:37 < newmanbe> What is the package?
16:37 < jerwin> io-string-pm
16:38 < jerwin> (1.06-1)
16:38 < runelind> this avi defaults to french, but I want english
16:39 < newmanbe> To tell you the truth, I have never added any .info to Fink.
16:39 < StoneTux> runelind: what's the exact problem?
16:40 < runelind> StoneTux: that I can't find where to switch audio tracks in either VLC or MPlayer
16:40 < runelind> I can do it easily in the linux version of mplayer
16:41 < Bart_> hmm heard mplayer dies
16:41 < runelind> Bart_: there is a new release of mplayer as of today
16:41 < StoneTux> I would check it out buy my download is 4kb/s instead of 40~50kb/s :S
16:41  * StoneTux goes hunting for the bandwidth theif
16:41 < newmanbe> jerwin: I think you should wait for someone who actually knows how to do that.
16:42 < jerwin> I'll wait, then.
16:44 < Bart_> runelind for os x or mplayer for linux ?
16:44 < Sess> Dayam
16:44 < runelind> for os x
16:44 < Sess> still instaling firefox
16:44 < Bart_> i download now the MplayerOSXB8r5.zip
16:44 < Bart_> Sess ;)
16:44 < Sess> gift seems to have failed
16:44 < Bart_> so you wait the night long
16:44 < Sess> Im trying again
16:44 < jerwin> actually, how is this usually done? do I post a request to fink-devel, or do I email someone specifically?
16:45 < Bart_> hehe mplayer binarie for tiger only how elite ;)
16:45 < runelind> yeah, I feel speshul
16:45 < Bart_> post to fink-devel
16:45 < Sess> mplayer rules
16:45 < Bart_> Sess i´m agree with you
16:45 < Bart_> i like it more then quicktime
16:45 < Sess> fuxk quicktime
16:45 < Bart_> better say i hate quicktime
16:45 < Sess> I hate qiucktime
16:45 < Bart_> ;)
16:45 < Bart_> yeah!
16:46 < Sess> lolx
16:46 < Sess> vlc is my current media player
16:46 < Sess> and I really miss mplayer
16:46 < Bart_> Sess then installed it now!
16:46 < Sess> it seems to be depreciated on the xnix side
16:46 < Bart_> so mplayer finish download
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16:48 < runelind> ok, figure out how to switch audio tracks :P
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16:49 < vasi> anybody here know anything about C bitfields?
16:49 < vasi> a package of mine seems to be having trouble with 'em
16:51 < jerwin> fun fun.
16:51 < jerwin> what's the problem?
16:53 < Bart_> hmmm Sess mplayer always crashed
16:54 < vasi> liquidwar
16:54 < Bart_> hmm
16:54 < vasi> it uses  struct { int foo:4; int bar: 24; }
16:54 < Bart_> i used that link for mplayer
16:54 < Bart_> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/mplayerosx/MplayerOSXB8r5.zip?download
16:54 < vasi> and setting instance.bar = 1 doesn't seem to work
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16:58 < Bart_> hmm
16:59 < Bart_> Sess you did start mplayer?
16:59 < Bart_> you use the new binarie too or for tiger
16:59 < Sess> yes
16:59 < Sess> I used the tiger binaries
16:59 < Sess> works fine
16:59 < Bart_> hmm
16:59 < Bart_> where did you download it?
16:59 < Sess> mplayer used to rock on my knoppix download
16:59 < Sess> mplayerosx.com
16:59 < Sess> or something like taht
16:59 < jerwin> vasi, could you lisppaste the compiler errors and source file
16:59 < vasi> jerwin, i'm trying to put together a test case
17:00 < vasi> no compiler errors, it's a runtime issue
17:00 < Bart_> hmmm
17:01 < jerwin> damn.
17:02 < vasi> ok, test case fails
17:02 < vasi> lemme show ya
17:03 < vasi> er, assuming the paste bot works
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17:03 < lisppaste> vasi pasted "bitfields test case" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/8469
17:04 < lisppaste> vasi annotated #8469 with "output" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/8469#1
17:04 < vasi> does that make any sense!?
17:07 < jerwin> curious. if x is an integer, it works.
17:08 < Feanor> looks like a gcc bug to me
17:08 < Feanor> what are the compile flags?
17:08 < vasi> nothing interesting, just 'gcc -Wall -o test test.c'
17:09 < vasi> yeah, i noticed that casting to an int works, i'm not sure why
17:09 < vasi> currently searching the gcc bugzilla
17:09 < Feanor> apple gcc 4?
17:09 < Feanor> yeah
17:09 < Feanor> it's a bug in apple gcc at -O0
17:09 < Feanor> works at -O2
17:09 < cirdan> heh
17:10 < vasi> lol, that's silly
17:10 < vasi> Feanor, in other GCCs it doesn't occur?
17:10 < vasi> (ie: non-apple gcc)
17:10 < Bart_> Sess did you install manualy codecs for mplayer?
17:12 < Feanor> it works in apple gcc 3.3
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17:12 < Feanor> so it's a miscompilation AND a regression
17:12 < Feanor> very naughty
17:12 < Feanor> i'll check some fsf gccs in a bit
17:12 < Feanor> if you want
17:12 < Feanor> but i'd just file a radar about it
17:13 < vasi> yeah, i see that it works in 3.3....i don't have access to a non-OS X gcc 4 at the moment
17:13 < Feanor> neither do i
17:14 < Feanor> i had fsf gcc 4.1/cvs installed but it was so buggy i deleted it
17:14 < vasi> nobody alive in #gcc
17:14 < deltaecho> omg call the police
17:14 < deltaecho> nee naw nee naw
17:14 < Feanor> you can wait around for pinskia in #opendarwin
17:14 < Feanor> he is the gcc bugzilla guy
17:14 < Feanor> he claims to have all the bugs memorized
17:15 < vasi> heh
17:17 < vasi> works with unsigned fields
17:21 < Feanor> oh he's active
17:26 < vasi> somebody in #gcc says it works for him
17:27 < vasi> er, rather the bug doesn't exist for him
17:27 < vasi> so it's presumably an apple issue
17:41 < Sess> no, but it seems to work with my aquateen hunger force collection of mpgs, avis, and wmvs
17:41 < Sess> damn it, gift finished, but I can't run it
17:41 < vasi> alright, my package seems to work if i just get rid of all the bitfields....so i'll just file a radar bug
17:42 < cirdan> ?
17:44 < Feanor> or you could set the CFLAGS to -O2
17:44 < Feanor> it shouldn't be compiling with optimizations off in the first place
17:46 < vasi> the bug occurred when compile with -O3
17:47 < vasi> don't ask me why
17:47 < cirdan> hah
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18:06 < akh> vasi:  spoke too soon...my remote box is stuck doing a scanpackages w/apt-ftparchive at unstable/main.
18:06 < vasi> try monitoring with fs_usage
18:06 < akh> OK
18:06 < vasi> sudo fs_usage | grep '/.*apt-ftparchive'
18:06 < vasi> see if it's actually progressing through .debs
18:07 < akh> No output as of yet
18:15 < akh> still nothing
18:15 < akh> looks stuck
18:22 < Bart_> anybody installed silc under tiger?
18:22 < Bart_> i get always a error 
18:22 < Bart_> i use unstable in 10.4
18:22 < Feanor> colloquy does silc
18:22 < Bart_> k
18:22 < Bart_> but not here at the moment or?
18:22 < Feanor> huh?
18:22 < Feanor> http://colloquy.info
18:25 < Bart_> thanks
18:25 < Bart_> mom looking
18:40 < Sess> lil help playaz
18:46 < Sess> how do I run gift?
18:46 < Sess> all it came with was a daemon, giftd
18:46 < Sess> don't tell me thats the client
18:49 < vasi> Sess, you need to find a client
18:49 < vasi> XFactor and Poisoned are OS X native
18:49 < vasi> there's a few X11 clients too
18:50 < vasi> akh, i'm not sure what's wrong...i'll try to check at a later time
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18:50 < Sess> so whats the freekin point of gift if I still need a cilent?
18:50 < Sess> I dind't want  to run a sharing server
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18:53 < bohan> :-)
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19:00 < Sess> cam someone asnswer that for me
19:01 < baba> i cannot answer that
19:03 < clepple> the gift package description doesn't say anything about being a client
19:06 < cirdan> Sess: giftd is a filesharing daemon
19:06 < cirdan> the client connects to it
19:06 < cirdan> so u dont need to have the gui running all the time
19:06 < cirdan> there are some nice clients too
19:07 < Sess> ok
19:07 < Sess> i suspected taht after a few mintes
19:08 < cirdan> fink install gift should make you pick good defaults
19:08 < cirdan> it depends on a protocol and front end
19:15 < Sess> cirdan: whats a good front end that I can fink?
19:15 < Sess> I personally prefer to use fink than a natie osx app
19:15 < Sess> native
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19:16 < newmanbe> Mac OS X native applications can be in Fink.
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19:20 < baba> is there any non-native application in fink?
19:20 < newmanbe> Mostly non-native.
19:20 < baba> what?
19:20 < clepple> *sigh* semantics...
19:20 < baba> hehe
19:21 < baba> u mean commandline tools and x11 apps are non-native?
19:22 < newmanbe> They could be.
19:23 < baba> oops time to go
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19:24 < Sess> what I meant by non nateive was that it runs in X, not under aqua
19:25 < newmanbe> That was what /me meant too.
19:26 < newmanbe> So it could be Mac OS X native and in Fink.
19:39 < Sess>  0
19:49 < Sess> whats the name of some of the fink gift client packages?
19:49 < Sess> I did an apropos gift, but it only came up with the plugins
19:50 < Sess> also I think firefox just finished
19:50 < Sess> dpkg-deb: build package firefox in ... soething.deb
19:50 < Sess> and its doing somethign
19:50 < Feanor> it's not finished until fink exits
19:50 < Sess> I meant the ccompiling
19:51 < Sess> but can you offer me the name of any of the gift clients?
19:51 < Sess> Limewire uses WAY too many resources
19:51 < Sess> hellz yea, its done
19:52 < Sess> brb gonna restart x11
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19:54 < Sess> gift packages?
19:54 < Sess> I mean clients/
20:02 < Bart_> hmm where are on the mac keyboard is page up page down?
20:02 < Bart_> or mac ibook keyboard
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20:17 < clepple> Bart_: not sure about the iBook, but on the PB it is fn-up and fn-down
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20:24 < Bart_> k
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20:47 < ottoaim> is there a way to submit packages?  i have coreaudio working on xmms for 10.4 and there is currently no package.  perhaps I didnt see such a page in the faq?
20:47 < Feanor> !tracker
20:47 < Melian> Feanor: No idea
20:47 < Feanor> !package submission
20:47 < Melian> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Feanor
20:48 < Feanor> Melian: package submission is http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=414256&group_id=17203
20:48 < Melian> okay, Feanor
20:48 < Feanor> go there
20:48 < newmanbe> There is a coreaudio plug-in for xmms in Fink.
20:48 < newmanbe> For 10.3 anyway.
20:50 < ottoaim> heh, doesnt help those with 10.4 :P
20:55 < newmanbe> Have you tried the plugin at all?
20:59 < ottoaim> hmm?  i have the coreaudio plugin working on my xmms on 10.4.  i was asking about packaging and submission
20:59 < ottoaim> sorry if i wasn't clear or if i am misunderstanding
20:59 < newmanbe> Oh.
21:00 < newmanbe> If there is a maintainer, I would e-mail that person.
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22:05 < newmanbe> Phooey.
22:06 < newmanbe> Can't commit things in /web/, was going to add a link in people.en.php to the map.
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22:14 < pea_> good morning ,guys!
22:14 < newmanbe> Hello.
22:14  * newmanbe adds good morning to his watch list.
22:15 < pea_> newmanbe: what?
22:15 < newmanbe> Words that make my computer beep.
22:15 < newmanbe> So I can say greet people quicker.
22:15 < pea_> haha, how to add it
22:15  * newmanbe changes part of a sentence and not the rest of it sometimes.
22:16 < pea_> what irc tool do you use
22:16 < newmanbe> X-Chat
22:17 < pea_> oh, is it better than Colloquy?
22:17 < newmanbe> I have never used Colloquy.
22:17 < pea_> lol
22:17 < pea_> i'll try x-chat
22:18 < pea_> they are all sleeping
22:18 < newmanbe> It is night time in most of the United States.
22:19 < pea_> so
22:19 < newmanbe> Most people usually sleep at night.
22:19 < pea_> yes
22:19 < newmanbe> Most of the developers on the Fink Developer Map are in the United States.
22:20 < pea_> yes
22:20 < Feanor> i don't sleep at night
22:20 < pea_> my god
22:20 < newmanbe> I said most, not all.
22:21 < pea_> Feanor: what are you doing?
22:21 < Feanor> at the moment i'm recompiling mplayer
22:21 < Feanor> then i'm going to make another attempt at fixing gimp2
22:21 < pea_> great
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22:23 < pea_> then,whta is your sleeping time
22:23 < newmanbe> Soon.
22:23 < newmanbe> An hour or so at most.
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22:23 < pea_> what's the time now?
22:23 < newmanbe> 40 most likely.
22:24 < newmanbe> 21:24
22:24 < newmanbe> !time
22:24 < Melian> No idea, newmanbe
22:24 < pea_> oh, not very  late
22:24 < Zugwrack> After many hours...and several build lock failures, using terminal to run the command to install the failed file....I still have no working gnome or kde..fink commander hung and after I killed it and restarted it...it lost all the compiled programs..anyway to restart it without having to try recompiling everything again?
22:24  * newmanbe slept in late, so it is for him.
22:25 < newmanbe> Zugwrack: What is your end goal?
22:26 < Zugwrack> Uhh...to get kde installed without having to recompile everything that I had gotten past during the several hours I have already been trying to get KDE 3.4 compiled and installed..
22:26 < newmanbe> How do you know you have lost what you compiled already?
22:26 < pea_> it will continue if you kill the fink while it is compiling
22:27 < pea_> you can not lost them
22:27 < Zugwrack> Well guys..that isn't the case here...it is wanting to recompile all the packages...it goes throught the default questions..and then shows all the packages to be retrieved and compiled in the list prior to answering the last yes
22:28 < pea_> oh
22:28 < newmanbe> Are you using 10.3?
22:29 < newmanbe> The binaries should be in /sw/fink/10.3/unstable/crypto/binary-darwin-powerpc for the crypto packages.
22:29 < Zugwrack> Nope...I installed 23.9 per website directions..running tiger
22:29 < newmanbe> Then you can replace 10.3 with 10.4
22:30 < newmanbe> 10.4-transitional rather
22:30 < Zugwrack> Ok..and run fink install bundle-kde-ssl again?
22:30 < newmanbe> If you want KDE, yes.
22:30 < Feanor> or you can just look in /sw/fink/debs
22:31 < Zugwrack> Ok I'll give it a shot...I would think that fink commander would know what is already there and compiled no?
22:31 < newmanbe> That's the not fun way.â„¢
22:31 < pea_> i think wmaker is OK, ha
22:31 < newmanbe> We like more typing (assuming it is done by command line).
22:33 < Zugwrack> If I wanted to just strictly go command line I could customize Tiger and bypass fink...just use opendarwin to install and configure kde...or whatever is ported to OS X...point being I am just playing...
22:33 < newmanbe> Fink is not a toy. :)
22:33 < newmanbe> Neither is KDE.
22:33  * newmanbe doesn't know about Tiger.
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22:34 < Sess> whoeelse is using gimp 2.0?
22:34 < Zugwrack> Yeah..like playing with the software...heh...anyway thanks for the assist..
22:34 < pea_> how many times will it take, if I what to compile and install gnome.
22:34 < Sess> for soem reason when I start it with gimp-2.0 it takes FOREVER to start up
22:34 < Sess> not lke the regular app
22:34  * newmanbe does.
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22:34 < Sess> it gets stuck for a while looking for datafiles modules
22:34 < newmanbe> pea_ A long time.
22:35 < Sess> is there some way to fix thaT?
22:35 < pea_> newmanbe:how many hours?
22:35 < Sess> or am I just getting played by the gimp
22:35 < newmanbe> I use the Fink install of GIMP.
22:36 < Feanor> Sess: try running 'sudo fc-cache -f -v'
22:36 < pea_> gimp.app can't run in my os
22:37 < pea_> Feanor: due to the fonts?
22:37 < newmanbe> I don't know; GNOME is out-of-date in Fink, I don't use it.
22:37 < newmanbe> The first time starting GIMP, the slash screen seems to take forever.
22:38 < Sess> yes exactly
22:38 < Sess> thats what Im saying
22:38 < Feanor> pea_: yes, fontconfig loves to freeze programs for a long time scanning fonts because the cache files are bad
22:38 < Sess> gimp 2.0 under linux starts for me rather quickly
22:38  * newmanbe has only used GIMP 1.something on GNU+Linux.
22:38 < Bart_> anybody knows how can i put auto raise in terminal.app under 10.4.1 on?
22:38 < Bart_> with the mouse
22:38 < Bart_> ?
22:38 < newmanbe> Version 1 is no where as nice as 2.
22:38 < pea_> i use gimp 1
22:39 < newmanbe> Not liking #opendarwin? :)
22:39 < Sess> pea: u missin out
22:39 < Sess> gimp2 rox
22:39 < newmanbe> I know people who use GIMP 1 and say it sucks.
22:39 < newmanbe> I say their system administrator sucks for not upgrading.
22:40 < Sess> feanor: it says fc-cache: "/Library/Fonts":  and appears to be asking me for input
22:41 < newmanbe> Bart_: you can click on the title bar. :)
22:41 < Feanor> Sess: it's not, it's just processing
22:41 < Sess> aah
22:41 < Bart_> newmanbe i want auto raise
22:41 < Sess> will this make gimp2 start faster?
22:41 < Bart_> you know what i mean
22:41 < newmanbe> Yes, it is very nice with kwin.
22:42 < Bart_> hmm in 10.3.x i had this function but i forget how i get it ;)
22:43 < Feanor> hopefully
22:54 < Sess> how come finks E wave effect doesn't reflect the windows above it?  does this have to do with the shared memory?
22:55 < Feanor> what?
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23:02 < RangerAway> I'm reasonably certain you're one of 3 people using enlightenment on Mac OS X
23:03 < RangerAway> dunno that people will have an answer for you  ;)
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23:34 < htodd> I think I screwed up the dependencies on string-approx-pm
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