--- Log opened Sun May 22 00:00:33 2005 00:17 -!- asdf__ [light@adsl-68-121-19-250.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:23 -!- emp [~emp@67-42-224-94.blng.qwest.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:55 -!- pea_ [~pea@220.189.38.155] has quit [] 01:15 -!- miga [~miga@easyconnect2121138-139.clients.easynet.fr] has joined #fink 01:15 -!- miga [~miga@easyconnect2121138-139.clients.easynet.fr] has quit [Client Quit] 01:34 -!- MysticalOS [~Myst@h56.125.40.69.ip.alltel.net] has joined #fink 01:34 < MysticalOS> anyone around 01:35 < cirdan> anyone here? 01:35 < Melian> nope 01:35 < cirdan> going to bed, whats up 01:36 < MysticalOS> fink selfupdate doesn'tw ork anymore, instead reports this error 01:36 < MysticalOS> /usr/bin/su Myst -c 'cvs -q -z3 update -d -P' 01:36 < MysticalOS> can't create temporary directory /tmp/cvs-serv31902 01:36 < MysticalOS> Read-only file system 01:36 < MysticalOS> ### execution of /usr/bin/su failed, exit code 1 01:36 < MysticalOS> but it worked every night since i installed it clean on tiger weeks ago, i can't figure out what's changed 01:36 < Feanor> your disk is read-only or /tmp is brkne 01:36 < Feanor> *broken 01:36 < cirdan> bad things 01:36 < cirdan> you restart recently? 01:37 < Feanor> what does 'ls -l /tmp' say? 01:37 < MysticalOS> i used mkdir /tmp/cvs-serv31621 to test, directory created fine 01:37 < MysticalOS> permissions on dir also show valid 01:38 < MysticalOS> eh, uptime is a little over 1 day 01:39 < Feanor> it shouldn't be a dir 01:39 < Feanor> lrwxr-xr-x 1 root admin 11 Apr 30 21:13 /tmp -> private/tmp 01:39 < Feanor> should say that 01:39 < Feanor> and /private/tmp should be 01:39 < MysticalOS> lrwxr-xr-x 1 root admin 11 Apr 18 15:10 /tmp -> private/tmp 01:39 < Feanor> drwxrwxrwt 21 root wheel 714 May 21 22:56 tmp 01:40 < MysticalOS> yeah i had run taht command earlier too i forgot to post that 01:41 < Feanor> you can always find out exactly what's failing with ktrace, but i would just reboot 01:42 < Feanor> ... and hope it starts up again 01:42 < MysticalOS> ls -l /private/tmp just lists contents of folder 01:42 < Feanor> it's supposed to 01:42 -!- Sess [~sean@c-65-96-123-196.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #fink 01:43 < MysticalOS> well i guess i'll reboot and report back in if all goes well 01:43 -!- MysticalOS [~Myst@h56.125.40.69.ip.alltel.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:52 -!- theid [~theid@207.177.103.77] has joined #fink 01:53 < htodd> theid 01:54 < theid> yes? 01:54 < htodd> just saying hey 01:54 < theid> hey 01:55 < theid> I'm using Shark to find the problem with the slow xfce start 01:55 < htodd> unless you can tell me how I screwed up string-approx-pm 01:55 < theid> nice tool, it is 01:55 < htodd> xfce starts up slowly 01:55 < htodd> but works great for me 01:56 < theid> I'm trying to find out why it is so much slower on 10.4 - and x.org vs. Apple X11 doesn't make any difference in that respect 02:00 < theid> at least under x.org it doesn't have the modifier key issue 02:02 < htodd> I wish it didn't have the background, but operationally it works OK for me. 02:03 < Feanor> i'm guessing dyld 02:09 < theid> you can get rid of the background by commenting out the xfdesktop line in the startup script 02:09 < theid> probably equivalent to killing the xfdesktop process 02:09 < htodd> tnx 02:09 < htodd> did not know that 02:10 < theid> it's in /sw/etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc 02:10 -!- vasi [~vasi@modemcable214.145-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #fink 02:11 -!- vasi [~vasi@modemcable214.145-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Client Quit] 02:12 < theid> Feanor: why do you say dyld? 02:12 < Feanor> that's what happens at startup 02:13 < theid> dlsym is one of two functions that are apparently being looped 02:14 < Feanor> pogma changed dlsym to be slower but more correct 02:14 < Feanor> talk to him about it 02:14 < theid> any way to avoid it? 02:15 < theid> I've been busy this week and this is about the first chance I've had to look into the matter 02:29 -!- ralfWORK [jwalker@66.184.140.98] has joined #fink 02:29 < ralfWORK> ok then 02:29 < ralfWORK> if I'm running quartz-wm, how do I get a fink X11 app to start? 02:30 < ralfWORK> I set my DISPLAY, but it still says cannoct open display 02:30 -!- Fang [~Fang@2002:53c5:cc04:1:0:0:0:1] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:30 < ralfWORK> oh 02:30 < Feanor> what did you set DISPLAY to? 02:30 < ralfWORK> maybe I don't have quartz-wm installed 02:30 < ralfWORK> lol 02:31 < ralfWORK> isn't quartz-wm what I want? 02:32 < ralfWORK> I'm using the X server that came with apples development tools 02:32 < Feanor> you have to have X running 02:32 < ralfWORK> yes, I'm aware of that 02:32 < Feanor> you don't really need a window manager at all, it's just very painful 02:33 < ralfWORK> and in my .xinitrc, shouldnt I be execing quartz-wm if I want it to not look like total ass? :) 02:34 < Bart_> remove your .xinitrc 02:34 < ralfWORK> if I remove my .xinitrc I get twm or somethnig ugly 02:35 < Bart_> no 02:35 < Feanor> it should end with exec quartz-wm, yes 02:35 < Bart_> no 02:35 < Feanor> but the default xinitrc does end with exec quartz-wm and not twm 02:35 < Bart_> yes 02:35 < ralfWORK> well maybe I am missing something 02:35 -!- theid [~theid@207.177.103.77] has quit [] 02:36 < ralfWORK> am I supposed to get the xfree86 fink package? 02:36 < ralfWORK> cause I'm telling ya 02:36 < ralfWORK> I just removed my .xinitrc and started xdarwin 02:36 < Bart_> nrtfm 02:36 < ralfWORK> I have 3 xterms all using twm :) 02:36 < Feanor> apple x11 is named X11.app, not xdarwin 02:36 < Bart_> look @ the doc. 02:37 < Feanor> so that is possibly your problem 02:37 < Bart_> iīm agree with Feanor 02:44 < ralfWORK> erm 02:44 < ralfWORK> so where the hell did this XDarwin come from? 02:44 < ralfWORK> lol 02:46 < Feanor> xfree86 and x.org use XDarwin 02:46 < ralfWORK> see 02:47 < ralfWORK> I didnt go there 02:47 < Feanor> so your stuff got overwritten at some point 02:47 < ralfWORK> which is why I'm puzzled 02:47 < Bart_> use 10.4 with x11.app 02:48 < ralfWORK> I'm on 10.3 02:48 < Bart_> thatīs bad 02:48 < ralfWORK> what, 10.3? 02:48 < ralfWORK> or the fact that I have NFC where this XDarwin came from? 02:48 < Feanor> 10.3 is probably stabler than tiger 02:49 < Bart_> no 02:49 < ralfWORK> yea I was gonna say, I don't think all fink packages work in tiger yet :) 02:50 < Bart_> bur 10.3.x is not stabker then 10.4.1 02:51 < ralfWORK> aight 02:52 < ralfWORK> erm 02:53 < ralfWORK> so no idea where this Xdarwin came from huh? 02:57 -!- MysticalOS [~Myst@h56.125.40.69.ip.alltel.net] has joined #fink 02:57 < MysticalOS> no go, restart didn't fix, diskwarrior ran, retried, nothing seems to fix. 02:57 < MysticalOS> fink still reports a read-only file system, dispite fact that no other app reports this 02:58 -!- Netsplit niven.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: nkuttler 02:59 -!- Netsplit over, joins: nkuttler 03:03 -!- MysticalOS [~Myst@h56.125.40.69.ip.alltel.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 03:03 -!- Netsplit niven.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: mee_bot 03:04 -!- Erik_____ [~Erik@d54C3A955.access.telenet.be] has joined #fink 03:04 -!- swix_ [om@u1.omx.ch] has joined #fink 03:04 -!- Netsplit niven.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: swix, Erik____, kane-xs, lisppaste, Sess 03:05 -!- Sess [~sean@65.96.123.196] has joined #fink 03:05 -!- kane-xs [~kane@194.109.0.185] has joined #fink 03:07 -!- miga [~miga@easyconnect2121138-139.clients.easynet.fr] has joined #fink 03:07 < miga> Hi everybody. 03:08 -!- mee_bot [~mee_bot@dragontooth.servers.class.csupomona.edu] has joined #fink 03:09 < miga> akh_, would you have a moment please? 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First, check the faq: http://fink.sf.net/faq/ || Latest Installer: Fink 0.6.3 (for 10.2) and 0.7.1 (for 10.3) || Latest fink 0.24.6 || Canes Venatici 03:26 -!- Topic set by akh [] [Wed May 11 21:30:47 2005] 03:26 [Users #fink] 03:26 [ _mountie ] [ clepple ] [ Feanor ] [ kane-xs ] [ miga ] [ RLD_osx ] 03:26 [ Airo ] [ cmeme ] [ gecko2 ] [ Knghtbrd] [ nkuttler ] [ robilad ] 03:26 [ akh ] [ dbast ] [ geordie ] [ lovelace] [ pogma ] [ runelind] 03:26 [ BleedAway ] [ deltaecho ] [ gzl ] [ MacDome ] [ ralfWORK ] [ Sess ] 03:26 [ cianhughes] [ dkg ] [ jack__ ] [ mcp ] [ RangerAw1y] [ swix ] 03:26 [ Clef ] [ euthydemus] [ JosephSpiros] [ mee_bot ] [ RangerAway] [ uncon ] 03:26 -!- Irssi: #fink: Total of 36 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 36 normal] 03:26 -!- Channel #fink created Sun Aug 3 18:57:20 2003 03:26 -!- lovelace_ [~lovelace@dargo.trilug.org] has joined #fink 03:26 -!- miga [~miga@easyconnect2121138-139.clients.easynet.fr] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:27 -!- Irssi: Join to #fink was synced in 47 secs 03:32 -!- KraMer [~mark@adsl-70-240-190-107.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #fink 03:33 -!- Erik____ [~Erik@d54C3A955.access.telenet.be] has joined #fink 03:33 -!- das_ [~das@sparky.doit.wisc.edu] has joined #fink 03:33 -!- zorton [zorton@222.muha.sndg.ls3ca31ur.dsl.att.net] has joined #fink 03:34 -!- cirdan [~chris@pcp04354321pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #fink 03:34 -!- hramrach [hramrach@uvt316-2.ruk.cuni.cz] has joined #fink 03:34 -!- htodd [htodd@i8u.org] has joined #fink 03:40 -!- RangerAway [~ranger@dargo.trilug.org] has quit [Connection timed out] 03:43 -!- lovelace [~lovelace@dargo.trilug.org] has quit [Connection timed out] 03:49 -!- usataway [~usata@jr.smalltown.ne.jp] has joined #fink 03:56 -!- MacDome [~MacDome@c-67-161-49-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [] 03:59 -!- Feanor [~astrange@feanor.developer.opendarwin] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:24 -!- Tobin [~Tobin@c211-28-177-204.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #fink 04:25 < Tobin> Hello all. 04:26 < Tobin> Possibly a stupid question: Is there a reason why fink shouldn't be able to find libjpeg-dev? 04:26 -!- kane_ [~kane@perl.xs4all.nl] has joined #fink 04:36 -!- Melian [~blootbot@pcp04354321pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #fink 04:41 < ralfWORK> ok so 04:41 < ralfWORK> where do I eget X11.app? 04:45 < Tobin> ralfWORK: From Apple's website. 04:45 < Tobin> http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/apple/x11formacosx.html 04:57 -!- ctonks [~cam@60-240-17-28-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #fink 05:00 < ctonks> can anyone help me to get fink working with the 10.3 xcode release of x11? i get an error regarding files existing in /usr/X11R6 - but can't force fink to use the suggested packages (system-xfree86) 05:03 < pogma> ctonks: Read the faq and install the X11SDK package from the xcode disk 05:03 < ctonks> pogma: i'm reading the faq now and have installed the x11sdk from the xcode disk 05:04 < ctonks> the faq says to delete it completely? 05:04 < pogma> does it show up when you do fink list xfree86 (system-xfree86-dev) ? 05:06 < ctonks> it says it is a placeholder 05:07 < ctonks> i'm just updating to the latest version of fink, hoping that will fix the problem.. 05:07 < pogma> does it have an 'i' for installed? 05:07 < ctonks> yes 05:08 < ctonks> all the system-xfree packages have an i next to them 05:08 < pogma> ctonks: Oh, and you don't want apple's x11? 05:08 < ctonks> I do, but i want the fink applications (kdebase) to use that and not try to install the xfree86 packages 05:09 < ctonks> however fink trys to install xfree86 and xfree86-shlibs if i run fink install kdebase3 05:12 < pogma> please use the lisppaste thing to paste the output of 'fink list -t xfree86' 05:13 < pogma> http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink 05:15 < ctonks> i've run it - did it work? 05:19 < pogma> what is the url it gave you? 05:19 < Tobin> Possibly a stupid question: Is there a reason why fink shouldn't be able to find libjpeg-dev? 05:19 < ctonks> it just took me to paste.lisp.org/submit 05:20 < pogma> and did you submit the paste? I want to see the output of your 'fink list -t xfree86' 05:20 < pogma> Tobin: there is not libjpeg-dev package 05:21 < pogma> Tobin: libjpeg is the -dev 05:21 < ctonks> yes i clicked submit, but it took me to a blank page from there. it should work fine in safari shouldnt it? 05:21 < pogma> must be dead 05:21 < Tobin> progma: Thanks, I was just given a list of required packages which had libjpeg-dev on it for some reason. 05:21 < pogma> http://pastebin.com/ 05:22 < ctonks> pogma: i can msg you directly with the output 05:22 < pogma> sure 05:24 < pogma> Tobin: what package has a libjpeg-dev in it? 05:24 < Tobin> pogma: Not a package, a list of required packages: http://muddy.ath.cx/planeshift-install.txt 05:50 < deltaecho> hi, can the core developers program in an Are you sure? question when you run fink update-all 05:50 < deltaecho> ? 05:51 -!- harpoon [stueber@ultra20.rbg.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #fink 06:26 -!- Bart_ [~hideout@pD95DF91C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #fink 06:41 -!- Feanor [~astrange@mp1-248-240.dialup.emory.edu] has joined #fink 06:44 -!- ctonks [~cam@60-240-17-28-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:00 -!- Melian- [~blootbot@pcp04354321pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #fink 07:06 -!- _mountie is now known as mountie 07:17 < nkuttler> hi, i can't "fink install wml" because it depends on perl581-core. but there is no perl581-core package is available. suggestions? 07:39 < deltaecho> it seems to be available in 24.6 07:43 < deltaecho> fink dumpinfo -fallversions perl581-core 07:56 -!- gecko2 [gecko@gecko2.user] has quit [] 07:56 -!- gecko2 [gecko@freeforge.net] has joined #fink 08:29 -!- Bart_ [~hideout@pD95DF91C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:06 -!- Feanor [~astrange@feanor.developer.opendarwin] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:14 -!- Feanor [~astrange@mp1-248-17.dialup.emory.edu] has joined #fink 09:36 -!- dreamind [~dreamind@C2107.campino.wh.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #fink 09:52 -!- lovelace_ is now known as lovelace 09:58 -!- jerwin [~jeremy@66-44-55-108.s362.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com] has joined #fink 10:10 -!- newmanbe [~xchat-ssl@a5923b5ab18e412e.session.tor] has joined #fink 10:17 -!- Fang [~Fang@2002:53c5:4e6f:1:0:0:0:1] has joined #fink 10:20 * newmanbe is looking at gpsdrive-2.09-11 error on fink-general. 10:20 < newmanbe> In the signature, it says the gcc version is 8. 10:21 < newmanbe> I thought the latest was 4. 10:22 -!- Zugwrack [~Zugwrack@cpe-24-27-120-83.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #fink 10:23 < newmanbe> So either /me has no idea what he is talking about, or FinkCommander or gcc got messed up somehow. 10:24 -!- Zugwrack [~Zugwrack@cpe-24-27-120-83.houston.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 10:36 -!- Melian [~blootbot@pcp04354321pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 14400 seconds] 10:43 -!- euthydemus [~mhough@host81-157-56-172.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has left #fink [] 10:44 -!- euthydemus [~mhough@host81-157-56-172.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has joined #fink 10:56 -!- ^baba^ [~baba@YahooBB220041001026.bbtec.net] has joined #fink 10:56 -!- ^baba^ is now known as baba 10:56 < baba> listpaste url 10:56 < baba> lisppaste url 10:57 < newmanbe> No lisppaste. 10:57 < newmanbe> !seen lisppase 10:57 < newmanbe> !seen lisppaste 10:57 < Melian-> i haven't seen 'lisppase', newmanbe 10:57 < Melian-> lisppaste <~lisppaste@common-lisp.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #fink, 17h 53m 53s ago, saying: 'vasi annotated #8469 with "output" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/8469#1'. 10:58 < baba> geee 10:58 < newmanbe> I thought Melian only logged logouts. 10:58 < baba> i want to ask something about something 11:00 < newmanbe> You could use #flood. 11:01 < newmanbe> Or http://rafb.net/paste/. 11:02 < baba> also, i need someone like pogma 11:02 < pogma> why? 11:03 < baba> ohayo pogma 11:03 < baba> ;) 11:04 < baba> http://rafb.net/paste/results/LJnay854.html 11:04 < baba> /usr/bin/libtool: can't locate file for: -lgrass_I, but the dynamic library is in /sw/lib/grass60 11:04 -!- thomasjo [~thomasjo@203-173-17-17.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #fink 11:05 < newmanbe> It is a good thing you didn't paste that here! 11:05 < baba> how can i tell it to search in /sw/lib/grass60? 11:07 < pogma> baba: -L/sw/lin/grass60 in LDFLAGS 11:07 < jerwin> or rather, -L/sw/lib/grass60 11:07 < jerwin> as /sw/lin does not exist 11:07 < pogma> baba: or set the environment variable LIBRARY_PATH=/sw/lib:/sw/lib/grass60 11:07 < pogma> jerwin: indeed 11:08 < baba> pogma, i have set LDFLAGS and got the error, so i will try LIBRARY_PATH now 11:08 < pogma> baba: but use %p, not /sw :) 11:08 < baba> of course, %p 11:10 -!- jerwin [~jeremy@66-44-55-108.s362.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 11:11 < baba> what's the difference b/w LDFLAGS and LIBRARY_PATH? the ./libtool seems to have DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH, is it related? 11:32 -!- Feanor [~astrange@feanor.developer.opendarwin] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:32 -!- drm [~drm@m3b5f36d0.tmodns.net] has joined #fink 11:44 < drm> anybody else having trouble with the web interface to cvs? 11:45 < baba> Bad Gateway? 11:45 < drm> right 11:45 < baba> yeah, for around seven hours 11:46 < drm> grrrrr 12:50 -!- Tobin [~Tobin@c211-28-177-204.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["Computer going to sleep!"] 12:54 -!- lisppaste [~lisppaste@common-lisp.net] has joined #fink 12:57 -!- drm [~drm@m3b5f36d0.tmodns.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 12:58 < newmanbe> ViewCVS was giving me troubles a while ago. 12:58 < newmanbe> Only for Fink though. 13:02 -!- derelm [~elm@p54B1E578.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #fink 13:04 -!- htodd [htodd@i8u.org] has quit ["leaving"] 13:09 -!- htodd [htodd@i8u.org] has joined #fink 13:44 < ralfWORK> stupid question 13:44 < ralfWORK> how do I install Apple's X11 server? 13:45 < ralfWORK> (where do I get it?) 13:58 < cirdan> the install cd/dvd 14:00 < ralfWORK> hmm 14:00 < ralfWORK> must not be disc 1 14:00 < cirdan> disk3 14:00 < ralfWORK> erm 14:00 < ralfWORK> it's not part of dev. tools is it? 14:00 < cirdan> no 14:00 < ralfWORK> :( 14:00 < cirdan> well, part of it is 14:01 < cirdan> 10.3 or 10.4? 14:07 < ralfWORK> 10.3 14:07 < ralfWORK> guy I got this mini from didnt give me disc 3 14:07 < cirdan> it's on disk 3 of the user install disks 14:07 < ralfWORK> I have I guess 1 and 2 14:07 < cirdan> server or no 14:07 < cirdan> ? 14:07 < ralfWORK> nope 14:08 < ralfWORK> can't I download the disc? 14:09 -!- lisppaste [~lisppaste@common-lisp.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:10 < cirdan> no 14:10 < cirdan> unless u have an adc seed 14:10 < ralfWORK> I take it if I have to ask the I don't have one :) 14:13 -!- runelind [~mattias@ramnet.colostate.edu] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:14 -!- runelind [~mattias@ramnet.colostate.edu] has joined #fink 14:17 -!- lisppaste [~lisppaste@common-lisp.net] has joined #fink 14:21 -!- vasi [~vasi@modemcable214.145-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #fink 14:23 -!- vasi [~vasi@modemcable214.145-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Client Quit] 14:25 -!- [Badger] [~blah@user-12l2mck.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #fink 14:27 < [Badger]> Hello, whenever I try to do a 'fink selfupdate' via CVS, it errors out saying that it can't not create temporary directory /tmp/cvs-serv### 14:27 < [Badger]> This is on OS X 10.4.1 also 14:33 -!- thomasjo [~thomasjo@203-173-17-17.dyn.iinet.net.au] has left #fink [] 14:33 < ralfWORK> cirdan: and what about this: http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/apple/x11formacosx.html 14:34 < cirdan> that'l work i guess 14:44 < newmanbe> Badger: Can you write to /tmp/? 14:44 < [Badger]> Yeah 14:45 < newmanbe> Hmm. 14:45 < [Badger]> Is there much difference in CVS and rsync? 14:45 < newmanbe> RSYNC is faster. 14:45 < [Badger]> rsync downloads just fine 14:45 < [Badger]> but then I run into other error ;P 14:45 < newmanbe> And has more mirrors. 14:46 < newmanbe> And is recommended unless it is blocked by a firewall for users(non-developers). 14:46 < [Badger]> Ok, so when I use rsync to do a selfupdate, it updates just fine, but then when I do a 'fink reinstall fink' it tells me it can't find the .deb file 14:46 < [Badger]> Ahh, I wasn't sure what the difference between CVS and rsync was.. I'll just keep using rsync then 14:47 < newmanbe> try fink fetch fink 14:47 < newmanbe> or fink build fink 14:48 < [Badger]> Both of those return information about 162 packages read in 1 second. No packages to install 14:48 < newmanbe> Can you install other packages? 14:49 < [Badger]> Nope, it's not pulling a new list for the 10.4 tree 14:49 -!- MacDome [~MacDome@c-67-161-49-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #fink 14:50 < newmanbe> Try again after that is done. 14:50 < [Badger]> Maybe I am going about this all wrong, so let me ask you. All I am trying to do is get gnucash on a fresh 10.4 install 14:51 < newmanbe> There was something about gnucash on the mailing list. 14:51 * newmanbe goes to check. 14:51 < [Badger]> Thanks :) 14:52 < newmanbe> You are using the binaries. 14:53 < newmanbe> ? 14:53 < [Badger]> I'm trying too 14:53 < newmanbe> Or trying to rather. 14:53 < [Badger]> Yeah 14:53 < newmanbe> sudo apt-get install gnucash 14:53 < newmanbe> What does that do? 14:53 < [Badger]> Well.. hang on let me reinstall Fink fresh 14:54 < [Badger]> Ok, so I have the 0.7.1 Fink 14:54 < [Badger]> So now I need to do a selfupdate before anything right? 14:55 < newmanbe> It probably can't hurt. 14:56 < newmanbe> I don't know if binaries are available for Mac OS X 10.4. 14:58 < [Badger]> According to http://fink.sourceforge.net/pdb/package.php/gnucash there isn't 14:59 < [Badger]> Ok, I have fink 0.24.6, so try an apt-get install gnucash? 15:00 < newmanbe> If there is a binary available, yes, that will work.. 15:00 < [Badger]> If there isnt? :) 15:00 < newmanbe> It will complain. 15:01 < [Badger]> Says could not find package 15:02 < newmanbe> You would have to build from source then. 15:02 < [Badger]> Ok, how do I use the unstable source? 15:03 < newmanbe> !unstable 15:03 < Melian-> well, unstable is http://fink.sourceforge.net/faq/usage-fink.php#unstable, or at http://fink.sourceforge.net/faq/usage-fink.php#bindist 15:03 -!- Melian- is now known as Melian 15:04 < newmanbe> !source 15:04 < Melian> newmanbe: I give up, what is it? 15:05 -!- runelind [~mattias@ramnet.colostate.edu] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:06 < [Badger]> thanks newmanbe for the help :) 15:09 * newmanbe wasn't very good at helping, tooooo tired...... 15:09 < newmanbe> Yard work is not fun. 15:09 < newmanbe> !alicekill viewcvs 15:09 * Melian I want to kill viewcvs, I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill viewcvs. Kill. I wanna see viewcvs's blood and gore and guts and have viewcvs's veins in my teeth. Eat viewcvs's dead burnt body. I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL. and I jump around with $nick, yelling "KILL, KILL" 15:09 < newmanbe> That still has a bug in it. 15:09 < cirdan> i know 15:10 < cirdan> i think in eed to up her to cvs 15:10 < cirdan> Melian: literal cmd: beerme 15:10 < Melian> cirdan: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? 15:10 < cirdan> Melian: literal cmd: beerme (.*?) 15:10 < Melian> cirdan: I give up, what is it? 15:10 < cirdan> beerme? 15:10 * Melian passes cirdan a beer... 15:10 < newmanbe> "i think in eed to up her to cvs"? 15:10 < newmanbe> What does that mean? 15:10 < cirdan> need 15:11 < newmanbe> Oh. 15:11 < newmanbe> !lart out of date bots 15:11 * Melian chops out of date bots in half with a free AOL CD 15:11 < cirdan> heh 15:11 -!- runelind [~mattias@ramnet.colostate.edu] has joined #fink 15:13 < newmanbe> It would have been nice if /me had read the i18n documentation before. 15:14 < newmanbe> It tells you how to update web pages and stuff. 15:20 < [Badger]> newmanbe, now that I have unstable/main & unstable/crypto and did another selfupdate, how do I grab and build gnucash from unstable? apt-get or with fink? 15:24 < newmanbe> fink 15:24 < newmanbe> You will also need XCode. 15:24 < newmanbe> !xcode 15:24 < Melian> Wish i knew, newmanbe 15:24 < newmanbe> !adc 15:24 < Melian> Go to http://connect.apple.com/ to download the latest developer tool updates. You will need to create an account, but registration is free. 15:24 < newmanbe> !developertools 15:24 < Melian> newmanbe: Are you smoking crack? 15:25 < [Badger]> Yeah I have XCode and X11 installed 15:25 < newmanbe> fink install gnucash 15:25 < [Badger]> So I'll do a fink update-all; then fink install gnucash? 15:26 < newmanbe> Yeah. 15:26 < [Badger]> And it will work right? :P 15:26 < [Badger]> Or should anyhow 15:26 < newmanbe> It should. 15:27 < [Badger]> Thanks 15:30 -!- derelm [~elm@p54B1E578.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 15:37 -!- sid77 [~sid77@ppp-112-136.30-151.libero.it] has joined #fink 15:41 -!- harfooz [~clint@nb-209-213-26-025.backroads.net] has joined #fink 15:41 -!- sid77 [~sid77@ppp-112-136.30-151.libero.it] has quit [Client Quit] 15:42 < harfooz> hi all -- would there be any LaTeX users on right now that may have time for a question? I need to install Prosper, but I don't find that in my Fink Commander. I could use some help getting prosper installed. 15:42 < newmanbe> Hello. 15:42 < newmanbe> Do you know if Fink has Prosper? 15:43 < harfooz> I searched using fink list | grep prosper and the Fink Commander, but didn't find it. 15:44 < harfooz> (in debian I'd get it with apt-get install prosper, but other distros name it as tetex-proser) 15:44 < newmanbe> !pdb 15:44 < Melian> pdb is, like, the package database, which can be found at http://fink.sourceforge.net/pdb 15:47 -!- Zugwrack [~Zugwrack@cpe-24-27-120-83.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #fink 15:47 < harfooz> Found no packages that match prosper. 15:48 < newmanbe> Then Fink doesn't have it and you can't install it using Fink. :) 15:48 < Zugwrack> I am confused why on the unstable tree I am getting so many build-lock aborts from dpkg when I can go right to the command line issue the fink install and it compiles just fine...anyone answer that question? 24.6 and Tiger 15:49 < newmanbe> Zugwrack: I don't get your problem. 15:50 < Zugwrack> newmanbe: What is the lisp paste address? 15:50 < Zugwrack> !lisppaste 15:50 < Melian> rumour has it, lisppaste is a bot that lets you post large chunks of text without flooding the channel. Use it at http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink 15:50 -!- Macrobyte [~macrobyte@pcp06495808pcs.nstnig01.ct.comcast.net] has joined #fink 15:50 < Zugwrack> Never mind 15:51 < lisppaste> Zugwrack pasted "build-lock aborts" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/8504 15:52 < Zugwrack> newmanbe: So the point is once you get that big long paste...then I go to terminal and issue the fink install it will not complain and work just fine... 15:53 < Zugwrack> then I can resume the install of the bundle in question...I am asking why this is happening when the command from terminal doesn't exhibit the same behaviour? 15:53 < newmanbe> Is that using FinkCommander when you get the error? 15:53 < Zugwrack> Yes 15:54 < Zugwrack> If I just issue the install from terminal you think it can resolve the dependencies without the build-lock error? 15:54 < newmanbe> You said it did. 15:55 -!- harfooz [~clint@nb-209-213-26-025.backroads.net] has left #fink ["Leaving"] 15:55 < Zugwrack> newmanbe: That is only for the specific package it dies on...I am asking about just being able to do fink install bundle-kde-ssl and it will quit with the bogus build lock problems... 15:56 < newmanbe> I do not understand what you are trying to communicate. 15:58 < Zugwrack> newmanbe: It is quite simple...I am telling it to install bundle-kde-ssl it keeps dying with the build-lock problem..but I can go to term install the individual package it dies on..then resume using fink commander and resume..it runs and compiles..then it craps out again later...I am saying it is shit....unstable does not mean constant build-lock errors for the better part of two days... 15:58 < Zugwrack> trying to get the package to install... 15:59 < newmanbe> It is probably 'cause of something, not just 'cause you are using unstable. 15:59 < newmanbe> Can you use Terminal.app to install bundle-kde-ssl? 16:00 < Zugwrack> newmanbe: No shit..that is why I am trying to ask the question here..that was what I just asked if anyone had any opinions on using it from term would cause the problem to disappear...I realize I could not even ask, then no one here would have a possible alert on a wierd bug in fink commander, the repositories, or something else I have no idea about...I will try that and report back... 16:01 -!- Zugwrack [~Zugwrack@cpe-24-27-120-83.houston.res.rr.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:01 < newmanbe> Having no idea what the problem is, I say it should try it. 16:02 < cirdan> newmanbe: it looks just like he has buildlock failures 16:02 < cirdan> thats all 16:02 < cirdan> in FC it's more of a pain 16:03 * newmanbe is tired and should stop trying to help people right now. 16:03 < cirdan> sounds like a plan 16:03 < cirdan> :-) 16:06 -!- harpoon [stueber@ultra20.rbg.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de] has quit ["shutdown -h now"] 16:12 -!- Macrobyte [~macrobyte@pcp06495808pcs.nstnig01.ct.comcast.net] has quit [] 16:30 -!- Blues- [~Blues-@194-144-110-185.du.xdsl.is] has joined #fink 16:33 < newmanbe> Aw great. 16:33 < newmanbe> Now I can't commit in experimental/newmanbe! 16:35 < newmanbe> Two of the Russian translators have sent an e-mail to fink-core about not being able to commit too. 16:41 -!- xerxes1358 [~xerxes135@44-193.surfsnel.dsl.internl.net] has joined #fink 16:42 < xerxes1358> Hello 16:42 < newmanbe> Hello. 16:52 -!- euthydemus [~mhough@host81-157-56-172.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has left #fink [] 16:59 < xerxes1358> when I try to see what shell I am using I get nothing to see? echo $SHELL gives me an empty line 16:59 < xerxes1358> whats wrong ? (just installed apple/tiger first time) 17:00 < newmanbe> IDK. 17:00 < newmanbe> It works for me on Mac OS X 10.3. 17:00 < xerxes1358> IDK> 17:01 < xerxes1358> IDK? 17:02 < newmanbe> I don't know. 17:11 < xerxes1358> will the fink binary also work on tiger ? 17:12 < newmanbe> Probably not. 17:15 -!- xerxes1358 [~xerxes135@44-193.surfsnel.dsl.internl.net] has left #fink ["Leaving"] 17:26 -!- Blues- [~Blues-@194-144-110-185.du.xdsl.is] has left #fink [] 17:40 -!- Fang [~Fang@2002:53c5:4e6f:1:0:0:0:1] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:55 < newmanbe> !lart segmentation faults 17:55 * Melian beats segmentation faults senseless with a 50lb Unix manual 17:56 < newmanbe> A newer version of xplanet better fix it, otherwise I will have to write a more detailed description of how to make the map. 17:57 < newmanbe> Actually, I wouldn't that part works... 17:57 < newmanbe> Just wouldn't get a zoomed in look of the US and Japan. 17:57 * newmanbe stops rambling and goes off to his corner again. 17:59 < newmanbe> Fink should set the buildlock after checking to see if the md5 is present. 18:00 < newmanbe> But then again, it only needs to check for an md5 when it is building. 18:34 -!- Tobin [~Tobin@c211-28-177-204.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #fink 18:36 < Sess> hey hey hey 18:37 < Sess> I did a little research with E for anywone who's interested 18:37 < newmanbe> Hello. 18:37 < Sess> it verifies that menu items are in fact really in existance before showing them 18:37 < cirdan> hey all 18:37 < newmanbe> Hello cirdan. 18:37 < Sess> hey cirdan 18:39 -!- Sess [~sean@c-65-96-123-196.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:40 -!- Sess [~sean@c-65-96-123-196.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #fink 18:41 -!- kane_ [~kane@perl.xs4all.nl] has quit [] 18:41 -!- MacDome [~MacDome@c-67-161-49-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [] 18:45 < Sess> where do you think I can get some info on apple x11? 18:45 < Sess> Im trying to find out how to get opengl hardware support under X 18:50 < cirdan> glxgears: 14407 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2881.400 FPS 19:05 -!- lane [~lschwart@c-66-41-225-182.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #fink 19:05 -!- lane [~lschwart@c-66-41-225-182.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has left #fink ["Kopete 0.10 : http://kopete.kde.org"] 19:26 -!- Tobin [~Tobin@c211-28-177-204.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["Computer going to sleep!"] 19:50 -!- [Badger] [~blah@user-12l2mck.cable.mindspring.com] has quit ["brb\"] 19:52 -!- [Badger] [~[Badger]@user-12l2mck.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #fink 19:52 < [Badger]> Still trying to get gnucash installed, and I read there is a new gnome-libs-dev to fix some issues, but how do I get the new one? The post I read said it was out by CVS, and I can't ever seem to connect with CVS? 19:57 -!- asparagui [~billy@mo-71-1-109-215.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net] has joined #fink 20:25 -!- akh_ [~akhansen@68-118-244-23.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #fink 20:40 < baba> hmm grass60 creates /sw/grass-6.0.0 20:41 < newmanbe> [Badger]: Fink should install the newest version in can for dependencies. 20:46 -!- jerwin [~jeremy@66-44-55-108.s362.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com] has joined #fink 20:50 -!- Feanor [~astrange@mp1-248-99.dialup.emory.edu] has joined #fink 20:53 -!- asparagui [~billy@mo-71-1-109-215.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net] has quit ["hot, wet and naked...you know what that means..."] 20:55 -!- DanB [2kcNoIpk@ip24-254-243-147.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #fink 20:59 -!- JosephSpiros [~joseph@ip-246-036.oberlin.net] has quit ["leaving"] 21:14 -!- drm [~drm@65.201.172.164] has joined #fink 21:31 -!- dreamind [~dreamind@C2107.campino.wh.tu-darmstadt.de] has quit [] 21:33 * akh_ will probably finally install Tiger about the time the bindist comes out. 21:33 < drm> lucky you... you can install binaries of stable pkgs :) 21:33 -!- uncon [uncon@corp.efnet.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 21:36 -!- uncon [uncon@corp.efnet.net] has joined #fink 21:40 < akh_> yup 21:41 -!- akh_ [~akhansen@68-118-244-23.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:43 < Sess> is there a way I can submit a package to fink? 21:43 < drm> yes, use the "package submission tracker" linked from fink's homepage 21:43 < drm> (you will need a free sourceforge account) 21:43 < Sess> cool 21:44 < Sess> how long does it normally take for a package to be considered? 21:44 -!- akh [~akhansen@ldx3.psfc.mit.edu] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:44 < drm> well, unfortunately, we don't have a regular committee for considering stuff like that... so it depends on when somebody gets around to looking at the new submissions 21:45 < drm> but if you haven't heard anything within a week or so, you can ask here or else on the fink-devel mailingn list 21:45 -!- akh_ [~akhansen@68-118-244-23.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #fink 21:48 < Sess> k 21:49 < Sess> I was just able to compile the giFToxic gui client extremely easily and quickly without source modification, so I wanted to have it added to fink 21:49 < akh_> Then it would be easy to make up a .info file for it. 21:49 -!- akh_ is now known as akh 21:49 < drm> cool...well, you need to make a .info file for it... there is documentation on the website 21:50 < Sess> im checking it out right now 21:50 < Sess> btw, has anyone used galapagos? 21:50 < Sess> I just saw it when I was searching for the fink hompage on sourceforge 21:51 < Sess> is it better/newer than fink commander? 21:52 < baba> isnt it a dead project? 21:52 < akh> yup 21:53 < akh> So, it's neither better nor newer than FC. ;-) 21:53 < Sess> oh well, I was just wondering, I like the command line 21:54 < baba> i love GUI and WYSIWYG, i hate CLI and emacs/vi 21:54 -!- JosephSpiros [~joseph@ip-246-036.oberlin.net] has joined #fink 21:54 < baba> :p 21:57 -!- dmacks [~dmacks@203-137.dialup.cloud9.net] has joined #fink 21:59 < akh> baba: ed 22:00 < baba> ... 22:01 < akh> (the editor, ed) 22:01 < baba> dont tell me u r still using elm as mailer 22:01 < baba> ehh pine? 22:01 -!- JosephSpiros [~joseph@ip-246-036.oberlin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:01 < drm> pine, elm, oak, maple... 22:01 < akh> Sometimes pine. 22:02 < akh> Thought maple was a math package. 22:02 < Knghtbrd> mutt 22:02 < Knghtbrd> mutt pisses on pine. ;) 22:02 -!- vasi [~vasi@modemcable214.145-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #fink 22:02 < vasi> hey dmacks 22:02 < baba> hehe 22:02 < vasi> got an interesting bug 22:03 -!- JosephSpiros [~joseph@ip-246-036.oberlin.net] has joined #fink 22:05 < dmacks> newmanbe: I'm no longer maintaining gpsdrive. I already announced that on the gpsdrive mailing list, nobody offered to pick it up. You're welcome to fix it:) 22:06 < dmacks> hi vasi. 22:06 < vasi> hey dmacks 22:06 < vasi> i bug is that %i is part of the fink DB cache 22:07 < vasi> but that means that if Buildpath changes, we have an invalid %i 22:07 < vasi> alternatives are 1) make changes to fink.conf invalidate the cache 22:07 < vasi> or 2) make %i loaded on demand 22:07 < dmacks> If users report problems with selfupdate-cvs about "cannot create directory /tp/cvs-serv....", it's a SF server error, nothing to do with user's local /tmp. Tell 'em to file SF support requests. 22:08 < dmacks> #1 has long been the behavior. 22:09 < vasi> yeah, but #1 is really annoying if you're changing trees or mirrors 22:09 < vasi> oh wait...$self->{expand} is already auto-loaded 22:09 < Sess> well I submitted giFToxic 22:09 < vasi> so i can make %i work that way too 22:10 < Sess> it wouldnt let me attach the package 22:10 < drm> Sess: were you logged in to sourceforge? 22:10 < Sess> yes 22:10 < dmacks> What if Basepath or Distribution changes? 22:10 < drm> go to the item you created and attach the package again...should work 22:10 < Sess> it said something about the size having to be 20bytes or larger and smaller than 256000 something 22:10 < drm> Sess: how big was yours? 22:11 < dmacks> Or who-knows-what-we-might-implement-in-the-future-in-fink.conf-that-affects-db-contents:) 22:11 < vasi> dmacks, if basepath changes, the finkinfodb is in a different place 22:11 < vasi> distribution shouldn't cause any trouble afaik 22:12 < vasi> i think it's best to try hard not to invalidate the DB 22:12 < clepple> Sess: please tell me you didn't attach a .dmg of the app :-) 22:12 < vasi> if we ever add something that would necessarily do that, then we can make just that specifically invalidate the db 22:12 < dmacks> Unrelated...you're littering my /sw/var/lib/fink/finkinfodb with the old db.x.lock files:) 22:13 < vasi> dmacks, uh yeah, the presence of .lock files never bothered me much 22:13 < vasi> i'll fix that :-) 22:13 < Sess> File Upload: ArtifactFile: File must be > 20 bytes and < 256000 bytes in length 22:13 < Sess> clepple: tgz buddy 22:14 < dmacks> (maybe the lock shuold be *in* its dir...db.8/lock instead of a file on the level of the dir?) 22:14 < Sess> the size is 364664, just a little too large I guess 22:15 < drm> Sess: you should be submitting a small text file, the .info file which fink needs to build the package 22:15 < Sess> aaah 22:15 < jerwin> are compressed patches allowed? 22:15 < vasi> dmacks, yeah i can make that happen....i'm kinda busy updating all my packages atm, once that's mostly done 22:16 < clepple> Sess: or if you're asking someone else to write up an info file, just post the URL (but IIRC that's a different tracker than the one for completed .info files) 22:16 < drm> jerwin: i think we have a policy about the size of patch files 22:16 < dmacks> No hurry...I finally rememberd to mention it, and the relocation just popped to mind as a simple way of doing it. 22:17 < vasi> er no actually...we have to lock before creating the dir 22:17 < vasi> to avoid a race condition 22:17 < vasi> between multiple finks 22:17 < vasi> but deleting the .lock files is easy 22:19 < clepple> jerwin: basically, it makes more sense to store plaintext patches alongside the info file in CVS. If it's big enough to warrant compression, then it would be better to find a FTP/web site to host the patch, and download it alongside the source 22:19 < dmacks> Race? mkdir() returns a failure code if the dir to be created already exists. 22:20 < dmacks> But whatever you think it best, have at it:) 22:21 < vasi> some other fink instance might see the dir exists after the mkdir, and try to lock the /lock file....if it has write access, it could succeed first, at which point it would assume the dir actually has cached data in it 22:22 < dmacks> Ah good point. 22:23 < jerwin> ok. big patches are painful to reconcile with newer versions of the codebase anyway. 22:24 < dmacks> Big patches make my modem cry:) 22:27 -!- asari [~asari@p3096-ipbf507marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #Fink 22:28 < asari> dmacks: hi 22:29 < asari> dmacks: still I don't figure out what is wrong with my wxmac package 22:30 < asari> Shlibs: field? 22:30 < dmacks> The old one had %p/lib/libwhatever. 22:31 < dmacks> (oops) %p/lib/libwhatever.X, the new one has %p/lib/libwhatever.Y; according to the packaging manual, you cannot change those without also changing the name of the package itself. 22:31 < asari> ah I should name new one "wxmac260" or something like that 22:32 < newmanbe> dmacks: And you are more that welcome to update xplanet. 22:32 < newmanbe> Whatever gpsdrive is. 22:33 < dmacks> newmanbe: several hours ago, you mentioned looking at a -users message about it:) 22:33 < newmanbe> So many people come here, I don't remember that. 22:34 < newmanbe> Oh. 22:35 < newmanbe> I was commenting about the gcc version. 22:35 < newmanbe> "gcc version: 8" 22:35 < dmacks> asari: Right. Run 'otool -L /sw/lib/libwhatever.dylib' and use whatever numbers are in the first filename listed. (might be 2.6.0 or 2.6) (you can use 2.6.0 or omit the periods...your choice) 22:35 < dmacks> newmanbe: Yeah, that it weird also:) 22:36 < akh> Darwin 8, sure. 22:36 < akh> gcc 8 though.... 22:37 < newmanbe> Well if Darwin 7 has gcc 3, and Darwin 8 has gcc 4... 22:37 < akh> Yeah 22:37 < newmanbe> He would be using Darwin 12. 22:38 < newmanbe> I can't write to experimental/newmanbe anymore. 22:39 < newmanbe> Or more specifically, experimental/newmanbe/finkdevmap. 22:39 < newmanbe> I hate CVS. 22:42 -!- Darien [~darien@darien.home.innerfire.net] has joined #fink 22:42 < Darien> hi all 22:42 < newmanbe> Hello. 22:43 < Darien> I just fink'ed libnet, but when I try to compile tcptraceroute, it won't see it... any ideas? 22:43 * newmanbe goes off to eat custard to forget his CVS woes. 22:43 < dmacks> Darien: Is this tcptraceroute being compiled by fink also, or are you doing it yourself? 22:43 < Darien> myself 22:43 < Darien> it's not in fink, sadly 22:44 < dmacks> compile myself? 22:44 < Melian> compile myself is probably http://fink.sourceforge.net/faq/usage-general.php#compile-myself 22:44 < dmacks> Thanks Melian! 22:44 < Melian> dmacks: de rien 22:45 < Darien> nice 22:45 < Darien> merci 22:46 < dmacks> :) 22:47 < Darien> when the support guy at my colo mentioned it, he said 'Yeah, if you're in a UNIX environment, there's tcp traceroute, which does the same thing... and you should be able to find an RPM or *quiet voice* apt package or something' 22:47 * Darien is not used to people even being aware of apt 22:47 < dmacks> heh:) 22:47 < Darien> but I didn't want to push him for something for OS X too 22:48 -!- akh [~akhansen@68-118-244-23.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has left #fink [] 22:48 * dmacks notes that Apple already has "traceroute" and "traceroute6" 22:49 < Darien> but does it have a TCP tracerouting utility? 22:49 * dmacks has no idea what that is, so..."maybe" 22:49 < Darien> I doubt it 22:49 < clepple> Darien: is the Fink libnet the same one that tcptraceroute uses? there are a couple of different libnets out there 22:49 < Darien> normal traceroutes use either UDP or ICMP packets for tracerouting, but TCP traceroute uses attempted TCP connections 22:49 < Darien> which gets through firewalls, etc. 22:50 < Darien> clepple: seems to work fine 22:50 * clepple is not fond of firewalls that munge ICMP packets 22:51 < dmacks> Good point...Apple's appears to be UDP only. 22:51 < Darien> nod 22:52 < Darien> clepple: our PIX is set up to block traceroutes 22:52 < Darien> not pings! 22:52 < Darien> just traceroutes 22:52 < clepple> sigh 22:52 < clepple> it's not my network, though :-) 22:53 < dmacks> How about 'fink install tcptraceroute'? 22:53 -!- baba [~baba@YahooBB220041001026.bbtec.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:54 < Darien> didn't work 22:55 < Darien> at least, the searches I did didn't work 22:55 < Darien> Failed: no package found for specification 'tcptraceroute'! 22:55 < dmacks> FAQ? 22:55 < Melian> I guess faq is at http://fink.sourceforge.net/faq/index.php 22:56 < clepple> dmacks: does Melian know about unstable again? 22:56 < dmacks> unstable? 22:56 < Melian> it has been said that unstable is http://fink.sourceforge.net/faq/usage-fink.php#unstable, or at http://fink.sourceforge.net/faq/usage-fink.php#bindist 22:56 < clepple> Darien: it's in there: http://fink.sourceforge.net/pdb/package.php/tcptraceroute 22:56 < Darien> dang 22:56 < Darien> I guess I will move over to the unstable distribution 22:56 < clepple> just follow the first link that Melian just returned 22:57 < newmanbe> Does Fink use any methods of access control for CVS? 22:57 < dmacks> newmanbe: http://cvs.sf.net/viewcvs.py/fink/CVSROOT/ 22:58 < dmacks> I think "action" is the important one. 22:58 < newmanbe> ViewCVS doesn't work very well. 22:58 < newmanbe> Thank you. 22:58 < clepple> I'm still ticked that pathchar is still binary-only... imagine traceroute 100 times slower than normal (but it calculates the bandwidth between each hop, even if you're behind a slow link) 22:58 < dmacks> Crap..."avail", not "action" 22:58 < htodd> ooh, can I unmaintain stuff? 22:58 * htodd is thinking of openbox, since he doesn't use it any more. 22:59 < newmanbe> YOU MAY NOT! 22:59 < newmanbe> You actually can, /me doesn't know how that is done. 22:59 < htodd> hey, I'm not on the map, what do I care? 23:00 < newmanbe> I could make you move to Antarctica. 23:01 < Knghtbrd> anybody here particularly good at data mining? 23:01 < newmanbe> Well it says I can access experimental. 23:01 < newmanbe> But I can't. 23:01 < Darien> data mining? 23:02 < Darien> I guess fink is updating all my stuff now 23:02 < Knghtbrd> Darien: yeah, you would be horrified by what information is out there about people 23:02 < Darien> pfft 23:02 < dmacks> Knghtbrd: Was an interesting article from some folks at Johns Hopkins about it. 23:02 < Darien> everyone knows I'm an asshole 23:02 < Knghtbrd> Darien: And I happen to know a little bit about a guy who is Just Plain Creepy, so I'm mining... 23:02 < Darien> what more do I want to know? 23:03 < Darien> neat 23:03 * Darien is Extra-Special Creepy 23:03 < Knghtbrd> He seems to hang around little boys an awful lot. 23:03 < Knghtbrd> Maybe there's nothing there. I hope there's nothing there. 23:03 < dmacks> newmanbe: What's teh CVS error msg? 23:04 < newmanbe> Access denied: Contact project administrator if you must write here. 23:06 -!- vasi [~vasi@modemcable214.145-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [] 23:07 < Knghtbrd> So far I have determined that he's lied about some of his background information. He does not have a criminal record that I can find. 23:08 < Knghtbrd> I haven't got any fingerprints to run through any databases though, so given the discrepencies in his background, his name may be an alias. 23:08 < dmacks> You're trying to 'cvs commit' after cd-ing into newmanbe/ or newmanbe/finkdevmap/? 23:08 < newmanbe> newmanbe/finkdevmap/ 23:08 * Knghtbrd isn't as good at this kind of stuff as some people are 23:08 < dmacks> What's the contents of your CVS/Root in that dir? 23:09 < dmacks> ...and what is your env var $CVS_RSH ? 23:09 < newmanbe> :ext:newmanbe@cvs.sf.net:/cvsroot/fink 23:10 < newmanbe> ssh 23:10 < dmacks> hrm...those are both correct. 23:11 -!- drm [~drm@65.201.172.164] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:12 < dmacks> Are there any entries for fink in your ~/.cvspass ? 23:12 < newmanbe> Yes. 23:12 < newmanbe> But it is :pserver:. 23:13 < dmacks> Try renaming that file out of the way? 23:13 * dmacks is grasping at straws here. 23:13 < newmanbe> .cvspass? 23:13 < dmacks> Ayup. 23:14 * dmacks doesn't see anything relevant in SF support queue. 23:14 * newmanbe does in fink-core. 23:16 < dmacks> Interesting. All /me understands about SF CVS is "it's flakey" :( 23:17 < newmanbe> The user horsager does have write access to web/. 23:17 < htodd> you can get rid of the "SF" and be accurate as well 23:17 < dmacks> htodd: Or "CVS" :) 23:17 * newmanbe got the same error! 23:19 < Sess> anyone seen this movie white oleander? 23:25 < newmanbe> !alicekill SourceForge's CVS 23:25 < Darien> no 23:25 * Melian I want to kill SourceForge's CVS, I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill SourceForge's CVS. Kill. I wanna see SourceForge's CVS's blood and gore and guts and have SourceForge's CVS's veins in my teeth. Eat SourceForge's CVS's dead burnt body. I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL. and I jump around with $nick, yelling "KILL, KILL" 23:26 < Darien> ok.. 23:26 < clepple> I'd hate to be this $nick person that Melian keeps jumping around with :-) 23:26 < dmacks> heh 23:27 < clepple> A2K? 23:27 < clepple> or some other bot species? 23:27 < dmacks> Melian is a blootbot 23:27 < Melian> I haven't a clue, dmacks 23:27 < newmanbe> Anyone know what happened to FinkBot? 23:28 * newmanbe could have changed the message to advertise the map. :) 23:28 < dmacks> Was having ISP troubles a few months ago, not sure since then. 23:28 < jerwin> !seen Finkbot? 23:28 < Melian> FinkBot <~finkbot@209.89.24.184> was last seen on IRC in channel #fink, 17d 13h 53m 8s ago, saying: '[TheSin] It's a bird, no it's a plane, no it's THESIN!?'. 23:29 < dmacks> Finkbot is rand's 23:29 < newmanbe> 17 days! 23:34 < Sess> ls 23:34 < newmanbe> This isn't a terminal. :) 23:35 < dmacks> Entries Repository Root 23:35 < newmanbe> null 23:36 < jerwin> Password: 23:36 < newmanbe> abc123 23:36 < newmanbe> finkiskool 23:36 < newmanbe> darwinportsbad 23:36 < newmanbe> gentoo-osxpoision 23:37 < jerwin> L1n;;sT0rvalds 23:38 < newmanbe> gnu'snotunix 23:39 * clepple steps away from the keyboard, dazed from trying to read the blootbot source 23:39 < dmacks> I used to work for a place where people were notorious for picking weak passwords, including for admins of the major servers. At a staff meeting, I mentioned this was a bad idea. Some peon said "what's wrong with using easy-to-remember passwords? It's not like someone would use a password like [name-of-organization] for [major server] admin account!" A very pale admin made a *very* hasty dash for the server room. 23:40 < asari> @find asari 23:41 < jerwin> heh. 23:43 -!- brontitall [~brontital@ppp76-83.lns1.mel3.internode.on.net] has joined #fink 23:44 -!- newmanbe [~xchat-ssl@a5923b5ab18e412e.session.tor] has quit ["Fink Developer Map: http://finkproject.org/map | ##metapkg"] 23:44 -!- htodd [htodd@i8u.org] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:45 < Sess> sorry baou that 23:45 < Sess> been having problems getting the gnutella plugin for gift to work 23:49 -!- jerwin [~jeremy@66-44-55-108.s362.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:49 * pogma wonders if baba's package really works with "freetype-dev | freetype2-dev | freetype2-hinting-dev | freetype219-dev" 23:49 < pogma> I bet he did not test all of those :) 23:50 < dmacks> ...or swapping -shlibs after compiling. 23:51 < dmacks> That kind of alternative is even explicitly disallowed in the Packaging Manual. 23:56 < Sess> he he dmacks 23:56 < Sess> same crap is happening where I work at UMass 23:57 < Sess> the senior network analyst has a widely deployed win2k admin password for all workstations thats a simple dictionary word 23:57 -!- htodd [htodd@i8u.org] has joined #fink 23:57 < Sess> and regular user accounts that are generic with matching username and password 23:57 < dmacks> Quality:( --- Log closed Mon May 23 00:00:34 2005