--- Log opened Wed May 25 00:00:10 2005
--- Day changed Wed May 25 2005
00:00 < qiqo> ei help
00:00 < qiqo> ive downloaded fink 0.23.9
00:00 < qiqo> then i run bootstrap
00:00 < cirdan> so fo makdo ./bootstrap.sh
00:00 < cirdan> ugg
00:00 < cirdan> do
00:01 < qiqo> but these messages occurs cp: 10.2*.patch: No such file or directory
00:01 < qiqo> but these messages occurs cp: 10.2*.info: No such file or directory
00:01 < qiqo> hows that?
00:08 < qiqo> helloo
00:09 < dmacks> qiqo: Could you lisppaste the output?
00:09 < qiqo> errmm.. i dunno if i could do that
00:10 < qiqo> im using darwin.. not mac os
00:10 < qiqo> ive no gui
00:10 < qiqo> thats why im trying to install fink
00:10 < dmacks> When you first got here and we asked if you were using 10.4 and you said yes?
00:11 < qiqo> darwin 8.0 is 10,4 right?
00:11 < dmacks> But you're not using 10.4.
00:11 < qiqo> technically it is
00:11 < dmacks> Anyhoo, you're using "pure" darwin.
00:11 < qiqo> yup
00:11 < pogma> we should still be able to bootstrap on darwin
00:12 < pogma> qiqo: x86 or ppc?
00:12 < dmacks> Sounds like it's mis-detecting the kernel version.
00:12 < qiqo> x86
00:12 < pogma> uname -a ?
00:12 < qiqo> darwinx86.local 8.0.1
00:12 < pogma> eek!, that's it?
00:13 < dmacks> d'oh. Sounds like gnu's broken uname.
00:13 < qiqo> darwinx86.local 8.0.1; root:xnu-792.obj/Release_I386 x86 i386
00:14 < cirdan> dmacks: the onlyhting broken w/gnu's uname was it's detection of ppc
00:14 < cirdan> iirc
00:14 < cirdan> 1 addtl case statement
00:14 < qiqo> im getting this message when i bootstrap: #####execution of /bin/mv failed, exit code 1
00:14 < pogma> Ah, no, nobody added i386-apple-darwin8 to bootstrap.pm
00:14 < cirdan> pogma: prolly cause noone tested it
00:15 < cirdan> :-)
00:15 < cirdan> i should run darwin/fink in vmware
00:15 < pogma> it has darwin7 and says "Not supported"
00:15 < cirdan> heh
00:16 < pogma> qiqo: looks like nobody has tried a bootstrap on pure darwin8
00:16 < pogma> qiqo: I suggest darwinports
00:16 < pogma> qiqo: unless you want to help iron out these issues
00:17 < qiqo> errm darwinports has some issues on curl
00:17 < pogma> darwinports at least claims to support pure darwin :)
00:17 < qiqo> ok
00:18 < pogma> feel like helping out here?
00:18 < dmacks> cirdan: Correct...uname -p is "unknown"
00:18 < cirdan> qiqo: you are pretty much on your own, we can try to help, but none of us have darwin8 on x86.
00:19 < qiqo> hehe its ok..
00:19 < qiqo> this is a challenge for me
00:19 < cirdan> if u want to help us make fink work w/it, cool, but it will take a little testing :-)
00:19 < qiqo> anyways if im going to have the experience then ill just share it in here
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00:23 < pogma> qiqo: you have fink from cvs HEAD, right?
00:24 < qiqo> errmmm nope
00:24 < qiqo> i just downloaded it from the site..
00:24 < qiqo> not cvs
00:25 < pogma> qiqo: you need to check it out from cvs
00:25 < qiqo> ohh so hows that?
00:25 < cirdan> there are docs on the cvs section of the sf site
00:25 < pogma> qiqo: then we can check in changes that you need to fix your problems as you find them
00:25 < qiqo> ok
00:25 < cirdan> pogma: http://www.funnyinside.com/SexMachine.shtml
00:25 < pogma> qiqo: and an update will have you up and going again
00:25 < qiqo> thanks guys
00:25 < cirdan> not work sfe  tho :-)
00:25 < cirdan> funny!
00:26 < cirdan> pogma: how lagged is anon cvs?
00:27 < pogma> no idea
00:28 < dmacks> <1 hour
00:28 < cirdan> cool
00:28 < htodd> woo
00:28 < dmacks> (yesterday it was within 2 minutes; I didn't try so short today:)
00:28 < cirdan> htodd.
00:29 < cirdan> oh
00:29 < cirdan> cool
00:29 < cirdan> hey, i would like to have coreutils added back into unstable...
00:29 < cirdan> i have used it for years w/no bad effects
00:29 < cirdan> only problem is packagers can forget no such thing as cp -a and all
00:29 < cirdan> minor stuff
00:29 < htodd> :)
00:30 < htodd> that's just going to make akh's life harder :(
00:30 < cirdan> schweet.
00:30 < dmacks> heh
00:31 < cirdan> ;-)
00:31 < qiqo> ermm
00:31 < qiqo> wheres the cvs?
00:31 < cirdan> anyone mind if melian curses? :-)
00:31 < htodd> /usr/bin
00:31 < qiqo> oh i saw it
00:52 < dmacks> Oops...'updating for gcc-3.3: SetCXX: g++3'
00:52 < cirdan> !make dmacks coffee
00:52  * Melian brews a nice hot cup of coffee for dmacks
00:52 < cirdan> sweet...
00:53 < dmacks> nice!
00:53  * cirdan is starting to learn his bot
00:53 < cirdan> !sex
00:53 < Melian> unzip;strip;touch;grep;grep;finger;mount;fsck;more;yes;fsck;fsck;fsck;unmount;sleep (Core dumped) general protection fault... core dumped.
00:53 < cirdan> love that one :-)
00:53 < dmacks> Never seen the core-dump part.
00:53 < cirdan> !fuck foo
00:53  * Melian fucks foo like a porn star, from behind, and pants softly
00:54 < cirdan> !fuck foo
00:54 < cirdan> eh, different each time
00:54 < cirdan> complex one
00:54 < cirdan> !fuck foo
00:54  * Melian fucks foo lovingly, like a bunny with a vibrator, and moans softly
00:55 < cirdan> !beersmite dmacks 
00:55  * Melian forces dmacks to drink bud ice on the rocks
00:55 < cirdan> :-)
00:56 < cirdan> !lilosmite drm
00:56  * Melian wallops drm with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing.  It won't take long.
00:56 < dmacks> Nice verb choice there:)
00:57 < cirdan> !djbsmite jack
00:57  * Melian changes jack's licence.
00:57 < cirdan> !djbsmite jack
00:57 < cirdan> grr
00:57 < cirdan> !djbsmite jack
00:57  * Melian changes jack's licence.
00:57 < cirdan> it can also revoke it
00:58 < cirdan> !take out me
00:58  * Melian takes out cirdan with the trash. :-)
00:59 < cirdan> !punch Melian 
00:59  * Melian thwacks Melian with a quick sharp left hook.
00:59 < cirdan> heh
01:00 < dmacks> If a pkg has been passing flags to for compiler to search a non-existant dir, can I just remove those flags?
01:00 < cirdan> sure
01:01 < dmacks> Sweet
01:03 < cirdan> !shoot non-existant dirs
01:03  * Melian blows non-existant dirs away with (a double-barreled shotgun|a German Luger|an Uzi|a BFG 9000|a wand of fireballs|an Elephant gun loaded with Badgers
01:03 < cirdan> oops
01:04 < dmacks> Badger badger badger badger mushroom mushroom badger badger badger badger badger
01:04 < cirdan> !shoot my foot
01:04  * Melian blows my foot away with a wand of fireballs
01:04 < cirdan> lol
01:05 < cirdan> !shot os x
01:05 < cirdan> !shoot darwin
01:05  * Melian blows darwin away with a BFG 9000
01:05 < cirdan> !blame dmacks 
01:05  * Melian blames KraMer for dmacks and the end of life as we know it
01:05 < cirdan> :-)
01:07 < cirdan> !punish apple for fink bugs
01:07  * Melian makes apple drink American beer for fink bugs
01:07 < cirdan> L-)
01:09 < cirdan> !comfort pogma 
01:09 < Melian> There, there, pogma.  It's OK.  I'm here for you.
01:09 < cirdan> :-)
01:10 < qiqo> pogma i really couldnt build fink in x86
01:10 < cirdan> !spit on bugs
01:10  * Melian spits on bugs
01:10 < qiqo> i get the same errors in cvs build
01:11 < cirdan> !insult errros
01:11 < Melian> errros is nothing but a vain plate of dizzy-eyed dog balls
01:13 < cirdan> !praise $1 is <action> (bows down|prostrates herself|kneels) before $1.  \"(We\'re not worthy!  We\'re not worthy!|You rock, $1!|Can I have your baby, $1?|$1 is da bomb!)\"
01:13 < Melian> okay, cirdan
01:13 < cirdan> !praise melian
01:13  * Melian prostrates herself before melian.  "We\'re not worthy!  We're not worthy!"
01:15 < cirdan> !praise $1 is <action> (bows down|prostrates herself|kneels) before $1.  "(We're not worthy!  We're not worthy!|You rock, $1!|Can I have your baby, $1?|$1 is da bomb!)"
01:15  * Melian kneels before $1 is <action> bows down before $1.  "$1 is the bomb!".  "We\'re not worthy!  We're not worthy!"
01:15 < cirdan> oops
01:15 < dmacks> Nice backwhackage there.
01:15 < dmacks> Could someone in Tiger-land tell me if html2text-1.3.2a-22 builds?
01:16 < cirdan> !praise tiger
01:16  * Melian prostrates herself before tiger.  "Can I have your baby, tiger?"
01:17 < dmacks> (requires a selfupdate within the past 2 minutes)
01:18 < miga> I'll do it, just wait a couple of minutes.
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01:25 < dmacks> Anyone posted any comments on /. today, please contact me privately.
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01:32 < miga> html2text compiles on 10.4-transitional, whether it works or not is another matter.
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01:45 < vasi> hey pogma
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05:16 < deltaecho> Go Liverpool!
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07:50 < joab> hello
07:50 < joab> does anyone know how to get system fonts working in xterm?
07:50 < joab> i only get not found when using -fn monaco and bus error when using -fa monaco
07:52 < affer> try sudo fc-cache
07:52 < joab> isnt the font cache automatically rebuilt on each start of x11?
07:54 < joab> it did stop the bus error :)
07:54 < joab> but it's not the correct font, it still has 'fixed'
07:54 < affer> there is an error with the fonts in the tiger build
07:54 < broeken> anyone here ever reported a finkcommander bug that's still open?
07:55 < joab> damn... will have to do with Terminal.app then
07:56 < joab> love the monaco font and hate the fixed :P
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07:57 < drm> broeken: maintenance of finkcomander is not very active, i'm afraid
07:57 < broeken> that's why i'm giving it a try, drm
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08:03 < deltaecho> does finkCommander work under 10.4?
08:03 < broeken> haven't tried it yet
08:03 < broeken> i'm installing tiger next week
08:03 < broeken> why don't you try, deltaecho?
08:04 < joab> it runs here and lists packages
08:04 < joab> i dont know what it is supposed to do more than that
08:06 < broeken> joab, are you running 0.5.3 or cvs?
08:06 < joab> 0.5.3
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08:14 < deltaecho> broeken, i'd love to, but i've gotten quite used to the cmdline
08:15 < joab> if it's just for looking through a list of packages it's easier to just fink list | grep
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08:27 < pogma> drm!
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08:33 < drm> pogma!
08:33 < drm> i can rebuild gnucash, pogma
08:33 < drm> i'll have to bump the revision number
08:33 < pogma> drm: yeah :(
08:33 < drm> and put it in the "0.7.2-current" section
08:33 < drm> i guess what we really need to do is get the update to gtkhtml3 to apply to more pkgs
08:34 < pogma> drm: does the binary installer include an apt database?
08:34 < drm> yes
08:34 < drm> so i can remake that as well
08:34 < drm> (it hasn't been released yet)
08:35 < pogma> cool, I got dozens of mails last time, all of which had as an answer "sudo apt-get update"
08:35 < drm> i just yesterday converted my desktop to Tiger, but i'll reboot it for this fix... might not get to it until tomorrow though
08:35 < pogma> cool, no big hurry, and thank you
08:37 < drm> BTW did you want to push the gnucash in 10.4-T to stable before the bindist?
08:37 < drm> or is it not actually stable yet? :)
08:37 < pogma> yeah, I have just reinstalled fink and selected only stable to make sure that I get all the packages
08:37 < pogma> I have a couple of days, don't I?
08:37  * pogma begs
08:37 < drm> ok
08:37 < drm> :)
08:38 < drm> am trying to get it out by May 29, in some kind of poetic justice
08:38 < drm> but it may slip a few days anyway
08:40 < deltaecho> 1 month is reasonable!
08:41 < drm> yes
08:42 < pogma> am I required to remove version numbers when moving things to stable?
08:42 < pogma> i.e. renambe bonobo-1.0.20-13.info to bonobo.info ?
08:45 < drm> pogma: no
08:46 < pogma> good :)
08:48 < pogma> so far added 20 packages, still getting missing deps, glad I am doing this the "hard" way.
08:50 < drm> i had stripped a lot of gnome 1.x pkgs out of stable since they weren't functional on april 29
08:50 < pogma> yeah
08:51 < pogma> but usually I'd just make a guess and copy what I thought was necessary without actually testing :)
08:51 < pogma> so I am happy that I decided to go about this properly
08:51 < drm> me too :)
08:54 < pogma> Oh, wait, should install stable fink too, I guess
08:56 < drm> pogma: probably... although the differences are not huge
08:56 < drm> with stable, you don't get buildlocks
08:57 < pogma> with HEAD I don't seem to be able to install an older fink
08:57  * pogma is amused
08:58 < drm> hm? "fink install fink-0.23.8-21" doesn't work?
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08:58 < pogma> No matching version found for fink
08:58 < drm> wow
08:58 < pogma> perhaps my checkout was out of date
08:58 < drm> could be
08:59 < pogma> let my update to current HEAD to see if the issue is still there
08:59 < pogma> someone apparently totally failed to bootstrap fink on i386 darwin8 today
09:00 < drm> i386?
09:00 < drm> which list?
09:00 < pogma> irc
09:00 < drm> ah
09:00 < drm> do you remember why?
09:01 < pogma> Well, we had no i386-darwin8 -> 10.4-transitional mapping for starters
09:01 < pogma> after that I went to work
09:01 < drm> ah
09:01 < drm> i'll look at the logs
09:02 < pogma> okay HEAD fixes my downgrade problem
09:02 < pogma> 0.23.9-21 is installing
09:02 < pogma> it says "This system was not released at the time..."
09:02 < pogma> 8.1.0 :)
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09:04 < pogma> 154 additional packages, whee
09:04 < drm> yes, will be fixed in 0.23.10
09:04 < drm> which the bindist will used
09:04 < pogma> why do we do that?
09:04 < drm> do what?
09:04 < drm> warn about the release number?
09:04 < pogma> yeah
09:04 < drm> there have occasionally been problems with minor releases
09:04 < drm> i guess this puts people on notice
09:05 < drm> (that's not the only reason for 0.23.10: there are a handful of minor things)
09:11 < pogma> forgot to save /sw/src before I wiped my previous fink :(
09:11 < drm> ok, battery is about out...bbl
09:11 < pogma> bye
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09:33 < pogma> heh, looks like a future g++ release will be binary incompatible with this one
09:33 < pogma> don't anyone tell drm
09:38 < RangerRick> haha
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09:57 < dmacks> RangerRick: Did we really want to enable passing MAKEFLAGS in 0.24.x? But not in HEAD?
09:59 < RangerRick> dmacks: erp, I probably committed it by mistake
09:59 < RangerRick> we don't want to enable it
09:59 < RangerRick> unless we audit all packages for make -j compatibility  :)
09:59 < dmacks> ...and lart people who commit updates based on what they last committed, ignoring others' -j patches...*grr*
10:00 < RangerRick> eh?
10:00 < RangerRick> oh, you mean, not updating them in exp too?  yeah
10:00 < RangerRick> :)
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10:02 < pogma> darwin8 has a sw_vers
10:02 < pogma> ProductName: Darwin
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10:02 < pogma> ProductVersion: 8.0
10:03 < ^rob> hey all, I've installed fink from the tar.gz, and everything looks fine, but I'm only coming up with a very small set of packages
10:03 < ^rob> (10.4 here)
10:03 < pogma> ^rob: fink selfupdate
10:03 < pogma> chose rsync or cvs, rsync is  probably better
10:04 < ^rob> rsync it is, thanks
10:04 < pogma> if you package numbers are still smaller than you expect, enable unstable and selfupdate again
10:04 < RangerRick> it could be because he's never selfupdated
10:04 < RangerRick> if "very small set" is like, just the base packages, from bootstrap...
10:05 < ^rob> I'm a long-time debian user, so I did an apt-get update but no luck :)
10:05 < ^rob> yeah
10:05 < RangerRick> no bindist for tiger yet
10:05 < ^rob> still seems the same
10:05 < RangerRick> apt-get will do nothing
10:05 < RangerRick> 'fink selfupdate; fink install <foo>'
10:05 < dmacks> bindist?
10:05 < ^rob> binary distribution
10:05 < dmacks> !bindist
10:05 < Melian> well, bindist is coming. Soon. No we don't know exactly when. It will be well-announced when the time comes.
10:06 < dmacks> *grr*...wakey wakey, Melian.
10:20 < pogma> get_sw_vers is broken on pure darwin8, since /sw/vers now exists we think we have "Mac OS X 8.0"
10:20 < pogma> sw_vers, not /sw/vers
10:22 < dmacks> Well *there's* a hell of a packporting project:)
10:23 < RangerRick> haha
10:25 < dmacks> pogma: Does pure-darwin have system_profiler?
10:25 < dmacks> Eh, nm...not any better than sw_vers.
10:26 < pogma> dmacks: sw_vers says "ProductName: Darwin" on darwin
10:26 < pogma> dmacks: but fink ignores that bit :-p
10:26 < dmacks> Yeah.../me just realized that:/
10:28 < pogma> so putting if (/^ProductName:\s*Darwin/) {last;} above the ProductVersion check should work, maybe
10:29 < pogma> hmm, but will exec sw_vers on every call to get_sw_vers
10:30 < RangerRick> easy enough to cach
10:30 < RangerRick> cache, too
10:30 < dmacks> I thought we cache the result in Config::options
10:31 < pogma> dmacks: and the routince checks if that is unset or "0"
10:31 < pogma> dmacks: I want it to be "0" :)
10:32 < dmacks> "0 (pure darwin)"
10:32 < pogma> have to check where get_sw_vers is called
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10:33 < pogma> yay, chroot's emacs crashes
10:33 < pogma> isn't this fun
10:33 < dmacks> Maybe should cache unknown as "unknown" instead of "0"
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10:35 < pogma> dmacks: seems like a plan
10:36 < TheSin> still no finkbot hey
10:36  * pogma hacks and continues with bootstrap
10:36 < TheSin> gone for good it would seem
10:36 < TheSin> great work with spotlite guys!
10:36 < TheSin> works great for me
10:36 < TheSin> much faster
10:37 < ^baba^> the /sw/src.build thing?
10:37 < dmacks> TheSin: Do you have the same problem as jfm on -core?
10:37 < TheSin> no my spotlite is still on
10:38 < TheSin> and I use a standard dir
10:38 < TheSin> so it doesn't ask me
10:38 < TheSin> my fink runs the same as before
10:38 < TheSin> but no indexing
10:38 < TheSin> it's grrrrrrrrr8
10:38 < TheSin> :D
10:38 < TheSin> ^baba^, /sw/src/fink.build thing yes
10:38 < dmacks> (the guy who did the Tony the Tiger "it's grrrrrrreat!" died this week)
10:39 < TheSin> really
10:39 < TheSin> didn't know that
10:39 < dmacks> http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/myrtlebeachonline/news/nation/11719657.htm
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10:41 < pogma> is cctools needed in bootstrap on 10.4?
10:42 < baba> how is it like?  /sw/src/fink.build/packagename-version-revision/ ?
10:43 < dmacks> baba: yes.
10:43 < pogma> baba: that is the default, I don't know what happened to the root- dirs
10:43 < pogma> baba: but the build dir is user selectable
10:43 < dmacks> root- are also in there (still on same dir level as source-build dir)
10:44 < baba> how about the tarballs? are they also in fink.build?
10:44 < dmacks> No.
10:44 < TheSin> pogma, I dont' think so, I think they where only for prebinding
10:44 < baba> are they in /sw/src?
10:45 < pogma> TheSin: yeah, need to spring clean bootstrap one of these years
10:45 < TheSin> totally
10:45 < TheSin> be nice to remove prebinding
10:45 < dmacks> The only thing that's changing is where package-building happens. Sources are not moving.
10:45 < TheSin> speed up the packaging phase
10:46 < dmacks> TheSin: Ya!
10:46 < pogma> TheSin: Isn't it gone from 10.4?
10:46 < TheSin> oh ya it is :P
10:46 < TheSin> I keep forgeting
10:46 < TheSin> sorry about that
10:47 < TheSin> been soo busy lately at $JOB
10:47 < TheSin> I see vasi made core
10:47 < baba> can i ask about cross dependency?
10:47 < TheSin> if I don't see him, make sure to let him know I send him a congratz
10:49 < TheSin> BTW to others, the .build thing works for VPC too
10:49 < TheSin> I can acctually use VPC again now
10:49 < Feanor> VPC was incompatible with spotlight?
10:50 < TheSin> spotlight kept trying to index that 15 gig file
10:50 < TheSin> made it soooo bloody slow
10:50 < dmacks> heh.
10:50 < TheSin> I moved it into a .build dir
10:51 < TheSin> restarted it and it's normal again
10:51 < TheSin> I'm sad cause I had to trouble shoot windows again
10:51 < TheSin> but happy cause it worked
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10:58 < baba> dmacks: can i make types in splitoffs?
11:08 < runelind> did anyone else try the new firefox?
11:08 < runelind> it's borked for me
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11:14 < cirdan> hey TheSin 
11:14 < cirdan> !make TheSin coffee
11:14  * Melian brews a nice hot cup of coffee for TheSin
11:14 < TheSin> thanks cirdan
11:14 < cirdan> :-)
11:14 < TheSin> Growl + X-Chat Aqua, owns
11:15 < cirdan> now on to hacking fink core!
11:15 < TheSin> now I really can be summoned
11:15 < cirdan> hehe
11:15 < TheSin> hehe
11:15 < TheSin> not today
11:15 < cirdan> yup
11:15 < TheSin> I'm only here for an hour
11:15  * cirdan hack's thesin's company db and gives him 2 days off
11:15 < TheSin> then I need to bring one of my dogs to the vet again from teh coyote attack
11:15 < cirdan> oh
11:15 < runelind> :(
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11:17 < ircleuser> hey guys
11:17 < baba> hey ircleuser
11:17 < runelind> welp time to go to work
11:17 < baba> change ur nick
11:17 -!- ircleuser is now known as Taylor
11:17 < dmacks> baba: You mean a 'Type: something (boolean)' in a SplitOff, or do you mean "use %type_* percent-expansions"?
11:17 < runelind> see you guys in approximately 2 minutes thirty seconds
11:17 -!- Taylor is now known as Lobotomy
11:17 < baba> dmacks, the first one
11:18 < baba> i am thinking how i can make packages which depend on each other
11:18 < Lobotomy> i lost the thread that describes how to install autoconf2.5 with the doc/*.html problem :(
11:18 < dmacks> I think you can do that. Can't remember.
11:19 < dmacks> It's pretty complicated though...just make SplitOff and SplitOff2.
11:19 < baba> then i will challenge
11:20 -!- dmacks is now known as dmacks_away
11:20 < Lobotomy> !lisppaste
11:20 < Melian> somebody said lisppaste was a bot that lets you post large chunks of text without flooding the channel. Use it at http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink
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11:20 < Lobotomy> install -m 644 doc/*.html /sw/src/root-autoconf2.5-2.59-6/sw/share/doc/autoconf2.5/html/
11:20 < Lobotomy> install: doc/*.html: No such file or directory
11:20 < Lobotomy> ### execution of install failed, exit code 71
11:20 < Lobotomy> Failed: installing autoconf2.5-2.59-6 failed
11:20 < Lobotomy> any ideas?
11:22 < cirdan> the problem is html2man or somehting, right dmacks_away?
11:23 < Lobotomy> there was a mail thread about it, but i can't find it now
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11:23 < baba> Lobotomy, email to the maintainer?
11:23 < cirdan> baba: sssh!
11:24 < Lobotomy> :P
11:24 < baba> cirdan, huh?
11:24 < cirdan> sssh = sound that means be quiet :-)
11:25 < baba> i wondered if u were the maintainer?
11:25 < baba> ouch
11:25  * baba shuts up
11:25 < cirdan> i am :-p
11:26 < Lobotomy> somebody gave me a link to gmane with a possible fix, but i lost it
11:26 < Lobotomy> It seems the .html files are going in doc/standards/*.html instead of  
11:26 < Lobotomy> doc/*.html.
11:27 < cirdan> yes, because the tool that creates the .html files changed, iirc
11:27 < cirdan> i just dont remember which one it is
11:27 < baba> yeah, the maintainer can fix instantly  :pppppp
11:27 < cirdan> baba: the maintainer hasn't even gone to the 10.4-trans tree yet :-p
11:28 < baba> it's just a doc. doubt if it is a 10.4 issue :ppp
11:28 < pogma> yeah! ppc-darwin8  bootstrap completed
11:28 < cirdan> sweet!
11:28 < pogma> the missing /usr/bin/emacs is a problem
11:28 < cirdan> oh?
11:28 < cirdan> for what
11:29 < pogma> anything that wants to install an emacs mode,  e.g. gettext
11:29 < cirdan> we sould be rm -rf them anyway
11:29 < cirdan> !winner
11:29 < cirdan> off
11:29 < cirdan> odd
11:30 < cirdan> !winner
11:30 < Melian> i heard winner is Today's winner is zorton!
11:30 < pogma> bbraun told me to /usr/libexec/dumpemacs
11:30 < cirdan> wha?
11:31 < pogma> got me emacs in /usr/bin/
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11:31 < cirdan> !spamsite sf.net
11:31 < Lobotomy> any ideas for my problem?
11:32 < cirdan> Lobotomy: try installing texi2html
11:32 < cirdan> lemme know if it's installed
11:33 < Lobotomy> thanks
11:34 < Lobotomy> hmm where do i get that
11:35 < cirdan> from fink...
11:35 < cirdan> fink install texi2html
11:35 < Lobotomy> yeah that didn't work for me :(
11:35 < cirdan> !lalaa Lobotomy 
11:35 < cirdan> wtf...
11:35 < cirdan> !test
11:35 < Melian> cirdan: grrr, what do *you* want?
11:35 < Lobotomy> Failed: no package found for specification 'texi2html'!
11:36 < cirdan> hmm, it shuld be there
11:36 < cirdan> you do a fink selfupdate recently?
11:36 < Lobotomy> yes
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11:37 < cirdan> !ircspeak Lobotomy 
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11:38 < Lobotomy> hey i found the email thread addressing this issue
11:39 < cirdan> so did i
11:39 < cirdan> it says to make sure texi2html is installed
11:40 < cirdan> !beersmite texi2html
11:40  * Melian pours corona light down texi2html's throat
11:40 < Lobotomy> So "BuildDepends: texi2html" should cure the problem
11:40 < Lobotomy> for now.
11:40 < cirdan> yeah
11:40 < Lobotomy> it won't let me install it tho :(
11:40 < cirdan> but if your fink doesnt see the package, it does no good
11:40 < Lobotomy> should i delete /sw and start over?
11:41 < cirdan> try doing fink index
11:41 < cirdan> no
11:41 < cirdan> !punch fink index
11:41  * Melian thwacks fink index with a quick sharp left hook.
11:41 < Lobotomy> indexing
11:41 < Lobotomy> done
11:41 < cirdan> !blame vasi for it
11:41  * Melian blames runelind for vasi for it and the end of culture as we know it
11:42 < cirdan> heh
11:42 < cirdan> oops
11:42 < Lobotomy> still won't install texi2html
11:42 < cirdan> !punish vasi for it :-)
11:42  * Melian stabs vasi for it :-)
11:43 < cirdan> Lobotomy: do find /sw/ -name texi2html* 
11:43 < Lobotomy> ok
11:44 < Lobotomy> found texi2hmtl.info
11:44 < cirdan> what path
11:44 < Lobotomy> under 10.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/text/
11:45 < cirdan> you are on 10.4, no?
11:45 < Lobotomy> not certain
11:46 < cirdan> os x 10.4?
11:46 < cirdan> look under apple menu, about this mac :-)
11:46 < Lobotomy> oh u mean tiger
11:46 < Lobotomy> yes
11:46 < Feanor> run sw_vers
11:47 < Lobotomy> running tiger, sorry
11:47 < htodd> ooh, do we get to delete emacs from everything!
11:47 < cirdan> !quakebot htodd 
11:47  * Melian follow's htodd with a gauntlet and ... scratch ... HUMILIATION !!!!
11:48 < htodd> !lart "emacs users"
11:48  * Melian puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at "emacs users"
11:48 < cirdan> htodd: no need for "" :-)
11:48 < Lobotomy> am i running the wrong version of fink?
11:48 < htodd> !lart all emacs users
11:48  * Melian readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at all emacs users
11:48 < cirdan> you shouldn't be
11:48 < htodd> hahaha.
11:49 < cirdan> !stab emacks
11:49  * Melian runs at emacks with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut.
11:51 < Lobotomy> so
11:52 < Lobotomy> why won't texi2html install :(
11:53 < cirdan> whats the Distribution line set to in /sw/etc/fink/conf
11:53 < cirdan> err, fink.conf
11:53 < cirdan> !kick $1 is <action> kicks $1 in the (ass|crotch).
11:53 < cirdan> oops
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11:54 < Lobotomy> 10.3
11:54 < cirdan> do a fink reinstall fink
11:54 < Lobotomy> ok
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11:56 < Lobotomy> Failed: can't find package fink_0.21.3-1_darwin-powerpc.deb
11:57 < cirdan> try fink install fink
11:57 < cirdan> if that doesnt work, fink rebuild fink
11:57 < Lobotomy> No packages to install.
11:57 < Lobotomy> Failed: can't build fink-0.21.3-1 because no package description is available
11:57 < cirdan> erp.
11:58 < Lobotomy> hehe
11:58 < cirdan> get the latest tarball from fink.sf.net
11:58 < Lobotomy> k
11:58 < cirdan> and do an ./inject.pl
11:58 < cirdan> !zap fink
11:58  * Melian takes out a cattle prod and gives fink a good jolt.
12:00 < cirdan> !cook lunch for me
12:00  * Melian puts on her apron and fires up the stove.   "Your lunch will be ready in a little while, cirdan."
12:00 < cirdan> :-)
12:05 < Lobotomy> ok
12:06 < Lobotomy> i did perl inject.pl
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12:06 < Lobotomy> anything else?
12:06 < cirdan> check the dist line again
12:06 < Lobotomy> k
12:08 < Lobotomy> Distribution: 10.4-transitional
12:08 < cirdan> ok
12:08 < cirdan> now do the fink selfupdate
12:08 < cirdan> and an update-all
12:08 < Lobotomy> 10-4
12:08 < Lobotomy> Downloading the file "CURRENT-FINK-10.4-transitional" failed.
12:09 < Lobotomy> gah
12:09 < cirdan> ?
12:09 < cirdan> oh
12:09 < cirdan> try doing fink selfupdate-cvs this once
12:09 < Lobotomy> ok
12:10 < cirdan> then next time do fink selfupdate-rsync
12:10 < cirdan> after that u can continue doing fink selfupdate
12:10 < cirdan> again
12:12  * deltaecho is so excited about the footy tonight
12:12 < Lobotomy> oh
12:20 < cirdan> working?
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12:22 < deltaecho> pysoulseek will not install because the link is broken
12:22 < deltaecho> infact, it is dead because older versions are not stored
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12:56 < pnorman> I followed the upgrade instructions for users of the stable tree with bootstrapping 0.23.9 but it's saying I need to do sudo gcc_select 4.0 when I run bootstrap.sh. When I run that command it says invalid argument, and I don't think I have gcc 4.0
12:57 < RangerRick> pnorman: you have to install xcode 2.0 after upgrading to tiger
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12:58 < pnorman> Is that on the ADC site? I looked there but I couldn't find it.
12:58 < RangerRick> it's on your xcode dvd
12:59 < RangerRick> er, tiger dvd
13:00 < pnorman> i.e. no? The reason I ask is that my tiger DVD is at home, and I'm not
13:00 < RangerRick> no, it's not
13:00 < RangerRick> perhaps when xcode 2.1 comes out it will be, but not now...
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13:28 < TheSin> soo sweet
13:28 < TheSin> IBM PowerPC-based CPU with 3 symmetrical cores running at 3.2GHz each
13:28 < TheSin> mmmm
13:28 < Murr> hehe
13:28 < Murr> stay away from that X-Box, son!
13:28 < TheSin> why does MS get it though
13:29 < TheSin> we only get dual 2.7s
13:29 < TheSin> man /me dreams of a dual 3 core 3.2Ghz G5
13:29 < Murr> I suspect the XBox doesn't have G5s
13:29 < TheSin> I've been reading lots abou tit
13:29 < Murr> are yousure you read G5
13:29 < TheSin> and all the devels got G5s still in the apple cases for devel platforms
13:29 < Murr> I keep reading "PowerPC-based"
13:30 < TheSin> it's modified for sure
13:30 < Murr> IBM used to be anti-G4
13:30 < TheSin> to keep OSX from running on the XBox 360, that would be a burn
13:30 < Murr> so for all we know these are riced up G3s
13:30 < TheSin> hehe
13:30 < TheSin> definetly could be
13:31 < TheSin> but you figure G5 cases are not cheap...why not send them in blue and whites
13:31 < TheSin> :D
13:31 < TheSin> still be nice to have a dual 3 core 3.2Ghz G5 though
13:31 < TheSin> :P
13:32 < TheSin> mmm think my nipples are hard
13:32 < TheSin> :D
13:33 < Murr> y'know, the Xbox ships sometime before christmas?
13:33 < TheSin> with new Solid State HDDs from samsung :D
13:33 < TheSin> yup
13:33 < TheSin> just like to keep up
13:33 < Murr> so maybe by then there will be 3.2G G5s
13:33 < TheSin> I still like the PS3 better
13:33 < TheSin> just likes the PPC-based
13:33 < TheSin> but will they be 3 core
13:33 < Murr> at the moment I'm in self imposed video game exile
13:33 < TheSin> :P
13:33 < Murr> played too much PSP and am paying the price in my wrists now
13:34 < TheSin> gotta do it ever now and then for sure
13:34 < Murr> can't
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13:35 < Murr> I've had to give up basketball & gaming
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13:35 < RangerRick> "playing PSP", is that what they call it now?  ;)
13:35 < Murr> I'd rather give up work for a while, but there would be pushback on that
13:35 < TheSin> hehe
13:35 < Murr> are you insinuating anything, RR?
13:35 < RangerRick> hehe
13:35 < RangerRick> noooooo.... no, no.... yes
13:35 < RangerRick> yes I am
13:35 < TheSin> hehe, and it's funny
13:36 < TheSin> I just didn't wanna be the one to type it
13:36 < TheSin> :D
13:36 < RangerRick> hahaha
13:36 < Murr> I'm not sure what you're getting at
13:37 < TheSin> :P
13:38 < Murr> are you implying that corporal punishment of monkeys could be related to my injuries?
13:39 < TheSin> hahahaha
13:40 < RangerRick> hahahaha
13:42 < Sess> lincity package is broekn
13:43 < Sess> I installed it successfully, but there is no executable
13:43 < Sess> and I searched every /sw/bin executable
13:43 < Murr> hmm
13:43 < Murr> that's one of mine, isn't it?
13:43 < mrmanic> for some reason fink won't find my automake1.6
13:43 < mrmanic> :\
13:44 < Murr> I think it has a non-intuitive name
13:44 < Murr> try dpkg -c /sw/fink/debs/lincity*
13:44 < Murr> and look what gets installed in /sw/bin
13:44 < msachs> dpkg -L lincity should work too
13:49  * vasi reminds himself to stop reading the backlog on #fink
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13:51 < vasi> hey msachs, is there a good way to tell buildfink, "only build these few packages and the relevant dependencies"?
13:52 < msachs> Nope, vasi.
13:52 < msachs> Wouldn't
13:52 < vasi> oh well :-)  next time i'm in hackathon mode...
13:53 < msachs>  be terribly hard to add, I suppose.
13:53 < msachs> What about "fink build" ?
13:53 < vasi> :-)
13:53 < vasi> but all the funky checkpointing and error recovery...
13:54 < msachs> Yep, and the purging unneeded packages, and the logging.
13:54 < vasi> not to mention getting rid of the BDO packages hanging around
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14:09 < mrmanic> any ideas on how I should go about getting fink to recognize that I have installed automake1.6(apparently a dependency of kde software)?
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14:10 < newmanbe> Do you mean you have your own version installed?
14:10 < newmanbe> i.e. not from Fink
14:11 < mrmanic> no, I mean I installed it via finkcommander
14:12 < mrmanic> and when I try to install quanta, I still get the same dependency issue.
14:12 < newmanbe> Fink should detect it.
14:12 < mrmanic> that's what I thought.
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14:13 < newmanbe> baba: ping
14:15 < newmanbe> babaa: If you read your scrollback,  you are closer to pogma.
14:15 < newmanbe> But the way xplanet does it, your number is right above Tokyo.
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14:25 < vasi> mrmanic, can you show us exactly what happened?
14:25 < vasi> !lisppaste
14:25 < Melian> hmm... lisppaste is a bot that lets you post large chunks of text without flooding the channel. Use it at http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink
14:25 < vasi> use that link :-)
14:26 < mrmanic> vasi: I'm currently trying it again.  I'll post the important bits when I run into them.
14:26 < vasi> ok
14:26 < mrmanic> Unless of course a reboot fixed the problem.
14:26 < mrmanic> That would be too windowsy, though.
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14:29 < mrmanic> thanks for the info, vasi 
14:29 < mrmanic> re: lisppaste
14:29 < vasi> reboots won't help :-)
14:35 < mrmanic> oh man
14:35 < mrmanic> what a pain
14:35 < mrmanic> no more automake1.6 error, now it's an automake1.9 error
14:35 < mrmanic> is it possible to have them both installed at the same time?
14:37 < mrmanic> eh, no worries
14:38 < mrmanic> I'll just swap out as necessary
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14:40 < newmanbe> In an effort to bring sf.net to its knees even quicker.
14:40 < newmanbe> I have made the map bigger.
14:40 < newmanbe> :)
14:40 < newmanbe> More clear
14:41 < akh_> newmanbe: It wouldn't take much to take sf.net down, apparently.
14:41 < newmanbe> One nano second faster is good enough for me. :)
14:44  * akh_ feels like I was hit by a car.
14:50 < newmanbe> Why?
14:52 < akh_> I was.  Heck of a way to take time off from work. ;-)
14:52 -!- akh_ is now known as akh
14:58 < akh> But all that got broken was my computer bag.
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15:00 < cirdan> !comfort akh 
15:00 < Melian> There, there, akh.  It's OK.  I'm here for you.
15:00 < cirdan> :-)
15:02 < akh> Heh.  Beats the larts.  ;-)
15:02 < cirdan> mrmanic: some kde deps need different automake versoins, so they keep setting switched out
15:02 < cirdan> bad thing is, each time they need to be, the build needs to stop :-/
15:02 < cirdan> !make akh coffee
15:02  * Melian brews a nice hot cup of coffee for akh
15:02 < mrmanic> that's what I realized
15:02 < cirdan> ah
15:02 < mrmanic> glad to know it's not just me
15:02 < mrmanic> :)
15:03 < akh> That's right--no coffee today.  No wonder I'm so slee
15:03 < akh> :-)
15:04 < vasi> newmanbe, the map page says "name name" at one point
15:04 < vasi> should just be one
15:04 < newmanbe> Where?
15:04 < vasi>  The name name in quotes is the nick used on #fink at irc.freenode.net.
15:04 < newmanbe> So it is.
15:05 < vasi> if you want to put my locations, it's "Montréal, Canada"
15:05 < akh> mmm...incremental indexing
15:05  * cirdan forgot vasi was also a cannuk :-)
15:05 < newmanbe> Gah, now I have to look up how to get é in HTML.
15:05 < vasi> woo!
15:05 < cirdan> haha
15:06 < cirdan> `a
15:06 < vasi> akh, i think i found your incremental indexing bug...
15:06 < cirdan> err, `e?
15:06 < vasi> it was with rsync, right?
15:06 < cirdan> !punish rsync for the bug
15:06  * Melian duct-tapes rsync to the floor and drools on him for the bug
15:06 < TheSin> &#233;
15:06 < akh> vasi:  the last bug was with apt-ftparchive
15:06 < TheSin> that was for newmanbe 
15:07 < TheSin> BTW congratz on making core vasi
15:07 < newmanbe> Thank you.
15:07 < TheSin> np
15:07 < vasi> thanks TheSin :-)
15:07 < cirdan> TheSin: one less black sleep in the flock :-p
15:07 < vasi> anyhow for some reason, we're preserving timestamps with rsync...which yields weird problems
15:07 < TheSin> shhh I'm still hiding out here :d
15:07  * cirdan too
15:08 < cirdan> "you will be assimilated. you will care for end user experience. resitance is futile.
15:09 < vasi> eg: maintainer updates foo.info at 1:00; user updates fink and creates new index at 2:00 but doesn't get the new foo.info yet cuz SF.net sucks; user selfupdates at 3:00 and gets foo.info now, but it says it's from 1:00 so fink thinks it's not new
15:09 < akh> vasi:  hmm...haven't noticed any problems with it in a while. \
15:09 < akh> Ah
15:09 < vasi> it's quite silly
15:09 < cirdan> aye
15:09 < akh> Yup
15:09 < vasi> the easy solution is not preserving times with rsync...
15:10 < vasi> i don't know if the issue here: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.os.macosx.fink.devel/7597  is still current
15:10 < vasi> (btw, there's a new apt-ftparchive out...but i doubt it fixes the bug you may or may not have found :-)
15:11 < akh> heh
15:11 < RangerRick> haha: http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/laptops-pcs/apple/we-were-had-apple-hates-intel-irl-104960.php
15:12 < akh> I don't think Randall's issue is still current--I just ran a selfupdate and only the changed files showed up.
15:13 < vasi> yeah, me too
15:13 < akh> RangerRick: heh
15:14 < vasi> akh, i think there might be a better solution, i'll test it later
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15:14 < cirdan> hey, would you core guys be willing to make a move to use bugs.finkproject.org and reportbug/bts the official bug tracker?
15:14 < akh> OK
15:14 < RangerRick> I would love to
15:15 < akh> Beats the mailing list archives.
15:15 < vasi> sounds good to me
15:15 < cirdan> hehe
15:15 < cirdan> ok
15:15 < RangerRick> f**k SF trackers... :)
15:15 < RangerRick> I think SF trackers are designed to maximize my desire to avoid looking at them
15:15 < newmanbe> Replace trackers with anything SF.net.
15:15 < RangerRick> which is really not terribly useful for a bug system
15:15 < cirdan> questoin 2, do we host the bts mailing lists on sf, or use sancho?
15:15 < vasi> frankly, i'd be ok with moving the lists off SF....and the website...and the file releases...and anything else you can think of
15:15 < cirdan> bbraun already gave his blessing
15:16 < RangerRick> fine by me
15:16 < cirdan> i am a sancho/lamancha admin and bbraun said we can use them for just about anything :-)
15:16 < RangerRick> woo!  porn server!
15:16 < cirdan> w00t!
15:16 < cirdan> pron-get!
15:16 < cirdan> we *need* that in fink :-)
15:17 < RangerRick> hehe
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15:18 < cirdan> ok...
15:18 < cirdan> i will make the proposal to -core about the bts
15:18 < cirdan> if someone else wants, they can propose to move the ml also :-)
15:20 < cirdan> !woot
15:20 < Melian> woot!
15:20 < vasi> lol...what's the point of that command?
15:21 < cirdan> vasi: see #od :-D
15:21 < cirdan> lol
15:22 < vasi> wtf?
15:22 < cirdan> hehe
15:22 < cirdan> portbot says woot, and xar, and greets ppl
15:22 < cirdan> i think that's all
15:25 < cirdan> keeps 
15:25 < cirdan> 'em busy
15:25 < runelind> /sw/lib/firefox/run-mozilla.sh: line 451: 14484 Bus error               "$prog" ${1+"$@"}
15:25 < runelind> stupid firefox
15:25 < RangerRick> fu
15:25 < cirdan> wheee.
15:25 < RangerRick> fun
15:25 < cirdan> !fsck ff
15:26 < cirdan> !blame firefox
15:26  * Melian blames pogma for firefox and the end of life as we know it
15:26 < cirdan> haha
15:26 < runelind> heh, good thing you corrected yourself RangerRick, I was about to challenge you to a duel :P
15:26 < cirdan> should blame libtool
15:26 < RangerRick> http://ranger.befunk.com/gallery/work/aab
15:27  * akh prepares to put a new package in the tracker.
15:28 < cirdan> uh=oh
15:29 < RangerRick> just what we need, more packages in the tracker  ;)
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15:30 < newmanbe> No, no packages in Tracker, we need them all in Fink!
15:30 < newmanbe> No backlog!
15:32  * akh put it in my experimental dir, too.
15:32 < akh> Or I could just add it to unstable right now--I'm leery about that since it's a completely new package.
15:34 < cirdan> heh
15:35 < RangerRick> no, that's the best kind
15:35 < RangerRick> bug reports get responded to with "duh, it's a new package, in unstable, chill!"
15:35 < RangerRick> :)
15:36 < akh> It's pretty simple--the worst that I could envision happening is that I missed a build-dep. 
15:37 < akh> I even got the manpage in the right place.  ;-)
15:38 < cirdan> !woot
15:38 < Melian> woot!
15:38 < newmanbe> Don't make me ignore Meian too. :)
15:38 < cirdan> RangerRick, vasi you juys have time to examine some stuff?
15:39 < cirdan> debian has some scripts to automagically install manpages and stuff in the correct locations
15:40 < cirdan> it might be useful to have
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15:43 < cirdan> hah, i joind fink-users sept 19 2001
15:43 < TheSin> could someone fix my name in the map please
15:43 < TheSin> Hallett
15:44 < TheSin> and Location is Thorsby, Alberta, Canada
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15:46  * runelind contemplates emailing the firefox maintainer
15:49 < runelind> huh
15:50 < runelind> there is a possible fix in the fink info file
15:51 < runelind> yay it works
15:51 < cirdan> heh
15:51 < runelind> had to rm ~/.mozilla/firefox/vvyvm9o5.default/xpti.dat
15:51 < cirdan> yeah
15:51 < cirdan> remember seeing that
15:52 < newmanbe> TheSin: sorry about that.
15:52 < TheSin> np
15:52 < TheSin> I get that ALL the time
15:52 < runelind> well why didn't you tell me :-P
15:52 < TheSin> ;)
15:54 < newmanbe> Someone said something about moving the mailing list to OD,
15:54 < newmanbe> I would not like that.
15:54 < newmanbe> They do not have NTTP.
15:54 < newmanbe> I suppose that could be arranged though.
15:54 < newmanbe> That is my two cents.
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15:55 < cirdan> sf has nntp?
15:55 < cirdan> newmanbe: also gmail has nntp
15:55 < cirdan> err, gmane
15:56 < newmanbe> SF doesn't have NNTP.
15:56 < newmanbe> I don't know exactly how it works, but I like it.
15:56 < cirdan> oh, then no worries
15:57  * newmanbe is trying to remember where he got TheSin's name from.
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15:58 < asparagui> anybody here use the new tiger rsync?
15:58 < asparagui> i just realized i hadn't specified -E in my scripts.
15:58 < vasi> newmanbe, i'm sure if we move to OD, gmane will still have nntp
15:58 < asparagui> but everything seems to be working so i was wondering if i was fine.
15:59 < vasi> asparagui, well if you're not backing up resource forks or other xattrs, you'll be fine
15:59 < vasi> if you are, you should add -E
15:59 < vasi> but make sure to TEST that xattrs/rsrcforks are working
15:59 < dmacks_away> gmane acts like a normal mailing list user, not like a list host. It's easy to tell them to pick up new fink lists from [wherever we host them]. I already talked to them about what happens if we move a list from say SF to OD, and they said it's no problem to maintain continuity within gmane.
16:00 < vasi> exactly dmacks :-)
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16:00 < vasi> cirdan, which debian scripts are you speaking of?
16:00 < cirdan> the debhelp package
16:01 < cirdan> /tmp/beren12.tar.gz .
16:01 < cirdan> oops
16:01 < vasi> heh
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16:01 < newmanbe> !lart confused CVS.
16:01  * Melian slaps confused CVS. around with a large trout
16:01 < cirdan> dh_*, but like dh_installman
16:01 < newmanbe> "confused about file fink.xplanetmarker -- ignoring"
16:01 < newmanbe> Bah.
16:01 < vasi> ooh, the dh_* stuff isn't too great for our purposes i don't think
16:01 < asparagui> well, i had a folder i added a custom icon to, and that seemed to get carried across.  so now i'm confused on what exactly a resource fork is anymore.
16:02 < vasi> asparagui, as a test just do 'echo foo > bar/rsrc'
16:02 < vasi> where bar is a FILE
16:02 < cirdan> vasi: well the man script renames manpages correctly and puts them in the correct structure
16:02 < newmanbe> !lart SSH servers that time out on idle
16:02  * Melian turns SSH servers that time out on idle into a lifesized tux doll
16:02 < cirdan> cause not all packages to it
16:02 < cirdan> newmanbe: there is a keepalive :-)
16:03 < newmanbe> For sf.net?
16:03 < cirdan> in the client config, i believe u can spec it
16:03 < cirdan> ~/.ss/config
16:03 < cirdan> ssh
16:03 < newmanbe> I'll look at that.
16:03 < vasi> dmacks, do you see any serious problem with removing the -t flag from rsync updates?
16:03 < vasi> (-t does preserve times)
16:05 < dmacks> Might slow down the sync a bit, but I don't know any actual breakage. CVS doesn't preserve timestamps...
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16:05 < vasi> the reason is because of weird incr indx breakage, caused by the delay between commit and rsync availability
16:05 < dmacks> What's the purpose of the /sw/fink/dists/stamp-* files
16:06 < dmacks> Ah makes sense I guess (.info isn't "new")
16:06 < vasi> see above: maintainer updates foo.info at 1:00; user updates fink and creates new index at 2:00 but doesn't get the new foo.info yet cuz SF.net sucks; user selfupdates at 3:00 and gets foo.info now, but it says it's from 1:00 so fink thinks it's not new
16:06 < newmanbe> TheSin: all fixed.
16:06 < dmacks> Roight.
16:06 < TheSin> thanks newmanbe 
16:07 < vasi> dmacks, i guess i can experiment with caching the old mtime, so that way i can detect changes
16:08 < dmacks> I'm fine with removing the flag; I don't really understand why it was added. I had thought the stamp files were...uh...timestamps but no idea at all.
16:09 < vasi> me neither!
16:09 < vasi> do you know if this is still relevant? http://article.gmane.org/gmane.os.macosx.fink.devel/7597
16:09 < dmacks> I think drm was messing with timestamps or other update games a while back.
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16:11 < vasi> i honestly have no idea what the timestamp is about
16:11 < dmacks> Ah, that's an interesting issue, switching from rsync to cvs.
16:12 < dmacks> OTOH, without knowing the flags on Randal's files (CUPM) no way to know what was actually happening.
16:12 < vasi> er he actually wasn't switching, the "-cvs" was a typo
16:12 < vasi> he meant rsync
16:12 < dmacks> Oh.
16:12 < vasi> read the whole thread :-)
16:12 < cirdan> heh
16:14 < dmacks> Got it.
16:14 < dmacks> Given that there's a clear way to test...go test.
16:15 < chris01> hi
16:15 < newmanbe> Hello.
16:15 < chris01> (just to vent a bit...)
16:15 < dmacks> hiya
16:15 < chris01> that's the kind of message i like:
16:15 < chris01> http://svn.haxx.se/users/archive-2005-05/1496.shtml
16:15 < chris01> hi dmacks, hi newmanbe
16:16 < akh> chris01: did you see you see the message on -devel about rdesktop?
16:16 < chris01> akh: yes, i did.
16:16 < dmacks> chris01: Sounds like the tool on scitech a few months back.
16:16 < vasi> dmacks, both myself and akh don't see that issue that Randal had, but no idea if that's cuz there's something different about him or us or what
16:17 < chris01> akh: and i just couldn't find enough time to look at it. 
16:17 < cirdan> fink install let-dev-in
16:17 < cirdan> rootkit for fink admins ;-)
16:17 < cirdan> so we can 'diagnose' problems
16:17 < chris01> dmacks: what "tool on scitech"?
16:17  * newmanbe can't stand people ending e-mails with cheers.
16:18 < dmacks> "scitech" is an apple mailing list. There was a guy there with a similar attitude.
16:18 < dmacks> (although he has since mellowed out a bit)
16:18 < vasi> newmanbe, fingolfin always signs off that way
16:18 < cirdan> hehe
16:18 < newmanbe> Well I can stand it.
16:18 < newmanbe> I just don't like it.
16:19 < vasi> is "toodles" better? :-)
16:19 < chris01> dmacks: ah, ok. 
16:19 < dmacks> vasi, akh, so you tried removing Fink's rsync -t flag and can't reproduce it? I say nuke the flag.
16:19  * chris01 not even going to find that thread...
16:19 < dmacks> "smell ya later"
16:19 -!- dmacks is now known as dmacks_away
16:20  * akh didn't do anything with the -t flag.
16:21  * newmanbe really needs to unsubscribe to all Apple mailing lists.
16:21 < newmanbe> Especially dev-students or whatever that is.
16:22 < cirdan> heh
16:22 < newmanbe> They are all ranting about how Tiger hasn't come yet.
16:22 < cirdan> heh, yeah
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16:25 < asparagui> well, i beginning to wish i hadn't tested this.
16:25 < asparagui> now i'm not sure my data is all there any more.
16:25 < newmanbe> Ah, retrospect.
16:25 < vasi> oops akh, i musta gotten confused
16:25 < cirdan> never test on live data
16:25 < cirdan> :-)
16:26 < vasi> asparagui, you could always just pretend you never thought about it, and remain confident that your data is fine
16:26 < newmanbe> Why is fink.sf.net used most of the time when there is finkproject.org?
16:26 < cirdan> its shorter
16:27 < asparagui> esp. since i type *.sf.net a lot.
16:27  * newmanbe can do finkproject.org faster.
16:27 < newmanbe> That darn ".".
16:27 < cirdan> newmanbe: we have a lot of stuff that isn't official policy
16:28 < asparagui> well, it appears that my data is fine, for the most part.
16:28 < newmanbe> Policy smallishy.
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16:29 < newmanbe> !lart policy
16:29  * Melian drops a truckload of VAXen on policy
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16:41 < Knghtbrd> Now y'all are starting to sound like #Debian  ;)
16:41 < asparagui> i did kill all my resource forks.
16:41 < asparagui> opened my carefully saved os 9 folder.
16:41 < asparagui> that's all gone.
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16:43  * newmanbe is scared of #debian on Freenode.
16:44 < newmanbe> Too many people.
16:44 -!- mcp [~hightower@wolk-project.de] has joined #fink
16:44 < mcp> re
16:44 < newmanbe> Hello.
16:44 < cirdan> newmanbe: but they are all idle
16:44 < newmanbe> On Freenode?
16:44 < cirdan> !wb mcp 
16:44 < Melian> Welcome back mcp, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos.
16:44 < mcp> :)
16:45 < newmanbe> On #debian at OFTC, basically everyone is idle.
16:45 < newmanbe> I answer people just to let them no they are not ignored.
16:46 < vasi> there needs to be a less violent way for apps to notify on OS X
16:46 < cirdan> ?
16:46 < newmanbe> Balloons!
16:46 < vasi> growl is ok, but if i saw a growl notification for every unanswered IRC msg i'd go nuts
16:46 < newmanbe> Or have the paper clip thingy in Microsoft Windows.
16:47 < cirdan> oh
16:47 < vasi> something like Fire does maybe, just subtly pulsing the dock icon
16:47 < vasi> that would be nice
16:47 < cirdan> vasi: /msg only?
16:47 < xerxes1358> can fink and opendarwin co-0exist along each other? I want to try opendarwin
16:47 < vasi> no, all posts
16:47 < newmanbe> xerxes1358: It should work.
16:47 < vasi> xerxes1358, i believe the can, but i've heard some ppl report issues...google for it
16:48 < newmanbe> I have tried it by symlinking to it, it seemed to work fine.
16:48 < cirdan> xerxes1358: opendarwin or darwinports?
16:48 < cirdan> they are not the same
16:48 < xerxes1358> ok thanks., because pretty much everything in fink is broken for tiger
16:48 < cirdan> xerxes1358: no, a lot does work
16:48 < newmanbe> Yep. :)
16:48 < xerxes1358> I mean the one that runs on osx
16:48 < cirdan> dp is like fink
16:48 < newmanbe> But bad.
16:48 < cirdan> opendarwin is the open source part of os x
16:49 < xerxes1358> dp also broken under tiger ?
16:49 < cirdan> pretty much, at least as much i'd guess
16:49 < newmanbe> Fink isn't broken, you just have to build all the packages yourself.
16:50 < cirdan> as long as it takes you to build the packages, it takes us for a bindist, or longer :-)
16:50 < mcp> hmm, I did not recompile anything I have installed and did not find anything that does not work in tiger
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16:51 < mcp> but as I rm -rf'd Tiger b/c it sucks, I'm still on panther :)
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16:52 < mrmanic> how long does it generally take to build kdebase and kdelibs?
16:52 < mcp> mrmanic: I tried it once on my ibook g3 800mhz. it took 26 hours
16:52 < cirdan> long
16:52 < xerxes1358> even building on tiger doesnt work
16:53 < xerxes1358> building is fine with me if it actuallt did work
16:53 < cirdan> what doesnt build?
16:53 < mrmanic> ouch
16:53 < mrmanic> it'll probably be faster here, I guess, I'm on a 1.4ghz mac mini.
16:53 < cirdan> mrmanic: a fill bindist on my laptop would take 3-4 weeks
16:53 < mrmanic> good lord
16:54 < cirdan> esp. with kde, gnome, and openoffice and mozilla*
16:54 < asparagui> well, good to know that my scripts were bad, i guess.
16:54 < asparagui> found an old backup of my stuff.
16:54 < cirdan> cool
16:54 < asparagui> so didn't really lose anything.
16:54 < vasi> er, i think DP is working on tiger
16:54 < asparagui> thanks for the help.
16:54 < vasi> well to a certain extent
16:54 < cirdan> vasi: prolly not much better than us, if better
16:55 < vasi> well we're doing really well with it, i'd say
16:55 < cirdan> vasi: tonight i hope to have a working branch merged with head for dist-upgrade
16:55 < vasi> cool cirdan
16:55 < cirdan> step one, stopping builds and setting the Dist line
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16:55 < ericb2> hi
16:56 < cirdan> then i really need help getting the full features in :-)
16:56 < xerxes1358> xemacs, lyx, etcc.. all dont compile
16:56 < cirdan> it will be a serious undertaking
16:56 < ericb2> again with my keyboard problem with X11
16:56 < ericb2> I think I have found someting 
16:56 < cirdan> ?
16:56 < cirdan> whats the prob
16:57 < dmacks_away> xerxes1358: please don't keep build problems a secret...tell the maintainers, or fink-users, or *someone*. Give the actual fink output. If nobody tells anybody about anything, nothing gets fixed.
16:57 < mcp> hmm, /me wonders why Mozilla is tons faster than firefox (aqua)
16:57 < ericb2> \{ [}]  are not usable with _not_Apple_applications
16:57 -!- dmacks_away is now known as dmacks
16:58 < ericb2> and with xkbtrap I have, in gnome-terminal, for example :
16:58 < ericb2> ^[/^[(^[5^[)^[^[/
16:58 < cirdan> there is a remap-bad-keys script, u try it?
16:58 < cirdan> or try xorg
16:58 < cirdan> i am using it and it's great
16:58 < ericb2> I have tried to remap : nothing
16:58 < cirdan> icewm/rxvt
16:59 < ericb2> could it be a code problem ?
16:59 < ericb2> I need these chars in OpenOffice.
16:59 < ericb2> e.g. for equations
16:59 < deltaecho> xerxes1358, xemacs complied fine here
16:59 < deltaecho> and i have the build log
17:00 < deltaecho> 24.6 on 10.4
17:00 < xerxes1358> dmacks_away here is one for example: 
17:00 < xerxes1358> http://paste.lisp.org/display/8586
17:00 < ericb2> I forgot to mention : XFree + 10.4 . Everything was ok with 10.3
17:00 < dmacks> !lisppaste
17:00 < Melian> rumour has it, lisppaste is a bot that lets you post large chunks of text without flooding the channel. Use it at http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink
17:00 < dmacks> (ah...I see you already know about it:)
17:00 < cirdan> ericb2: try xorg real quick then and see if that help
17:01 < asparagui> eric: i got the m102 build running here under tiger, btw...thanks for the great work.
17:01 < dmacks> xerxes1358: There is no bindist (precompiled binary collection) for Tiger.
17:01 < dmacks> !bindist
17:01 < Melian> i guess bindist is coming. Soon. No we don't know exactly when. It will be well-announced when the time comes.
17:01 < ericb2> cirdan : I'm actually building a lot of thing for uunstable...since this morning
17:02 < ericb2> asparagui : can you use  \ { [ }  ?
17:02 < xerxes1358> dmacks I dont mind compiling
17:02 < asparagui> one sec.
17:03 < asparagui> well great, rsync now just dies.
17:03 < dmacks> So go ahead and compile:) Let us know all your compiling errors.
17:04 < asparagui> eric: you mean type 'eM?
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17:04 < ericb2> ?
17:04 < asparagui> i just typed this into oo.o_m102:   /this is why { [ }
17:04 < cirdan> ericb2: u mean you cannot type the chars \ { [ } in xfree?
17:04 < cirdan> in any x11 app?
17:05 < ericb2> cirdan : yes
17:05 < asparagui> eric: ahh, i'm using x11.
17:05 < ericb2> cirdan: and I'm not alone
17:05 < asparagui> i mean, apple's x11.
17:05 < ericb2> asparagui : I use Apple X11 too
17:05  * cirdan never heard of the error
17:05 < cirdan> i had issues with *+ and 2 others...
17:06 < ericb2> gnome-terminal, gnumeric too 
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17:06 < ericb2> xterm, Terminal.app are OK
17:06 < cirdan> ericb2: xmodmap -pk | less
17:07 < cirdan> and use xenv
17:07 < ericb2> " | " is missing too...
17:07 < asparagui> eric: no problems here.
17:08 < ericb2> xev is ok launched from every term, but nothing appears
17:08 < cirdan> you should get anempty window
17:08 < vasi> argh that damn xterm disappearing thing is back
17:09 < cirdan> search for braceleft in the xmodmap
17:09 < cirdan> vasi?
17:09 < vasi> every so often, xterm will start up and then disappear
17:09 < vasi> immediately
17:09 < vasi> and will continue to do that every time i run it for a while
17:09 < vasi> for some reason starting an xterm from konsole always seems to work, and after that it's fine
17:10 < dmacks> "disappear"=="transparent window" or "crash"?
17:10 < vasi> crash
17:10 < vasi> i think
17:10 < cirdan> gdb?
17:10 < dmacks> crashlog?
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17:10  * cirdan never saw it
17:10 < vasi> nothing in the console, and now it started working again randomly
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17:11 < dmacks> Time to cut back on the weed, man.
17:11 < ericb2>  31         0x0028 (parenleft)      0x0035 (5)      0x007b (braceleft)      0x005b (bracketleft)
17:11 < vasi> but but i like my weed! :-P
17:11 < vasi> hmm, i think it's exiting normally and not crashing
17:11 < vasi> just doing so right away
17:12 < dmacks> Weird.
17:12 -!- vasi is now known as vasiGone
17:12 < cirdan> maybe shell errors?
17:12 < cirdan> causing it to exit?
17:12 < cirdan> someone on a ml has a weird shell error, w/tcsh i think
17:13 < cirdan> anyone hear of /usr/libexec/WaitingForLoginWindow?
17:13 < dmacks> Was my thought too...dotfile exits.
17:13 < ericb2> cirdan : what can be wrong in xmodmap with braceleft ?
17:13 < Clef> dmacks: can you update pygtk2?
17:13 < Clef> need latest toupdate gramps
17:13 < cirdan> hey Clef 
17:13 < Clef> howdy
17:13 < Clef> on vacation :)
17:13 < dmacks> Clef: yeah...will do tonite.
17:13 < cirdan> nice
17:14 < Clef> may also need latest gnome-python2
17:14 < cirdan> thats cool
17:14 < cirdan> /usr/libexec/WaitingForLoginWindow
17:14 < cirdan> :-)
17:14 < dmacks> I think RangerRick has the latest of all that stuff in his exp/
17:15 < dmacks> ...which he updated for me but then I dropped the ball on committing it to unstable.
17:15  * Clef throws ball back
17:15 < dmacks> Ah thanks. If you find my marbles, I could use them back, too:)
17:15 < RangerRick> latest of what stuff?
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17:16 < Clef> pygtk2, gnome-python2
17:17 < RangerRick> I did?  :)
17:17 < RangerRick> I don't even remember working on those
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17:22  * cirdan naps
17:22 < newmanbe> No!
17:23 < newmanbe> All Fink, all the time.
17:23 < cirdan> heh
17:23 < cirdan> i got debbugs server almost moved
17:24 < cirdan> just need to unpack and pray :-)
17:24 < RangerRick> man, plucene is cool
17:24 < cirdan> ?
17:24 < RangerRick> perl-based search engine, based on the java version
17:25 < RangerRick> you remember how I wanted to write that imap folder indexer/search engine?
17:25 < cirdan> yeaah
17:25 < RangerRick> I did it in 70 lines of code
17:25 < RangerRick> :)
17:25 < cirdan> lol
17:25 < cirdan> nice
17:25 < MdMonk> hahaha
17:25 < RangerRick> well, the indexer
17:25 < cirdan> patent!
17:26 < Clef> need to learn java
17:26 < RangerRick> still need to put a search interface in front of it
17:26 < cirdan> 70 lines means 13 patents in there
17:26 < newmanbe> Assign the patent to the Fink Developer Network.
17:26 < RangerRick> but man, I'm gonna *love* this
17:26 < Clef> used netbeans or eclipse?
17:26 < newmanbe> ;)
17:26 < cirdan> heh
17:26 < RangerRick> I've used eclipse
17:26 < RangerRick> I've done a little bit of java
17:26 < cirdan> all your code are belong to us
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17:26 < RangerRick> (I've hacked on our lucene stuff here at work actually)
17:26 < Clef> The following 304 packages will be installed or updated:
17:26 < MdMonk> d@mn RangerRick, just ilke usual. "Hrm. Is there an app out that that does <blah>. Oh well, I'll just write one myself."
17:26 < Clef> The following 26 additional packages will be installed:
17:26 < RangerRick> but I'm much more comfortable doing stuff in perl
17:26 < Clef> :)
17:27 < MdMonk> just like at SF. :)
17:27 < RangerRick> MdMonk: there isn't an app that does this, as far as I can tell  :)
17:27 < RangerRick> I looked
17:27 < MdMonk> see what I mean? 
17:27 < Clef> we really need to fix fink so it won't fail when installing so many pkgs at once.
17:27 < Clef> this will most assuredly not work
17:27 < cirdan> Clef: yup...
17:27 < RangerRick> MdMonk: my goal is to put a number of front-ends on it
17:27 < RangerRick> so I can web-search my mail
17:27 < cirdan> anyway, nap for real now
17:27 < RangerRick> or imap-search my mail  :)
17:27 < cirdan> Clef: i am on 10.3 tree, will have a week+ of building
17:28 < cirdan> when i upgrade
17:28 < RangerRick> like, make virtual folders in imap that are cross-client
17:28 < Clef> RangerRick: google desktop is really nice for windows
17:28 < Clef> can search all your outlook mail using googlwe
17:28 < RangerRick> Clef: yeah, google desktop does something like this
17:28 < RangerRick> but this will work anywhere you have a browser or an imap client
17:28 < Clef> i also got a plugin which adds the search box to outlook itself.
17:28 < RangerRick> I want to make it so one of the interfaces is an imap server
17:28 < Clef> cool
17:29 < RangerRick> so you "subscribe" to a query and get a virtual folder containing that query
17:29 < RangerRick> and it would work in any mail client
17:29 < MdMonk> wild stuff....
17:32 < Clef> my update-all tries to install bdb-pm581, which no worky
17:32 < Clef> should it work?
17:32  * newmanbe has given up on update-all.
17:33 < newmanbe> Everything in Fink /should/ work.
17:33 < Clef> bah
17:33 < Clef> ok, fink thinks i have perl581-core...
17:34 < newmanbe> So now Fink can think?
17:34 < newmanbe> That rhymes.
17:34 < newmanbe> !woot
17:34 < Melian> woot!
17:35 < Clef> i do have it, hmm..
17:35 < Clef> make: *** No rule to make target `/sw/lib/perl5-core/5.8.1/darwin-thread-multi-2level/CORE/objXSUB.h', needed by `BerkeleyDB.o'.  Stop.
17:35 < newmanbe> Just rm BerkeleyDB.o
17:36  * newmanbe is tired and stops offering help.
17:36  * RangerRick is heading home
17:36 -!- You're now known as RangerAway
17:36  * Clef tries rebuildin perl581.
17:38 < Clef> looks like that file is a perl 5.6 thing only?
17:40 < Clef> i bet perl 5.8 compiled on 10.3 inherits that dependency somehow, since the system has 5.6
17:40 < Clef> then dies when its gone on gier
17:40 < Clef> tiger that is
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17:52 < akh> meh---slow CVS update.
17:54 < dmacks> akh: way to not be a mind-reader (on -beginners) :)
17:55 < akh> Heh.  Sometimes I do remember how people have set things up, but only if they post day after day after day...
17:58  * akh prepares to "clarify" the news page.
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18:07 < asparagui> figured it out.
18:07 < asparagui> can't use the new rsync with the ssh option or else it causes an overflow.
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18:40 < vasi> hey Clef
18:42 < ericb2> bye
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18:52 < Clef> hi
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18:56 < dmacks> IS cswinehart officially On Hiatus?
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18:59 < vasi> no idea
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20:20 < pogma> hi
20:20 < newmanbe> Hello.
20:23 < pogma> hehe, copying foo.info over foo.patch does not make a happy foo
20:26 < baba> hm?
20:27 < cirdan> hehe
20:27 < newmanbe> baba: You are no longer in Tokyo.
20:27 < baba> cool
20:28 < newmanbe> You may see why I got confused and put you there though. :)
20:32 < pogma> yeah, just like putting LA people in NY :-)
20:33 < pogma> Joking!
20:33 < baba> btw, komachi (usata) seem to be in nara now
20:34 < newmanbe> Who?
20:35 < pogma> todai team member
20:36 < newmanbe> I don't think he is on the map.
20:38 < baba> he is now a member of kansai team
20:39 < newmanbe> Uh, what is the kansai team?
20:40 < baba> pogma, me + usata now
20:40 < baba> sometimes drm
20:42 < akh> We need a scorecard to keep track.
20:43 < newmanbe> Sometimes drm?
20:43 < newmanbe> drm is in the USA.
20:43 < baba> as u make a package, u get a score?
20:44 < newmanbe> No, a summary of all the different teams.
20:45 < pogma> newmanbe: Heh, there are no teams, we just happen to live within 2 hours on the train from each other
20:45 < newmanbe> But not of drm.
20:45 < pogma> he comes to kyoto fairly often, i think
20:46 < newmanbe> Amtrak is woefully underdeveloped.
20:46 < pogma> at least they don't crash into buildings
20:46 < newmanbe> Yep. :)
20:46 < newmanbe> I hear about de-railments every now and then.
20:47 < newmanbe> SCO spells PowerPC wrong.
20:47 < newmanbe> Power PC
20:49 < newmanbe> SCO is in general stupid.
20:49 < baba> pogma: is ur place near there?
20:49 < pogma> baba: no, I live on the JR Sanyo line
20:49 < pogma> just past Himeji
20:49 < baba> ah i see
20:49 < baba> <- bad at geography
20:50 < baba> it reminded me of paddington
20:50 < pogma> which would seem to indicate that town planner is not the best occupation for you :)
20:51 < baba> well, kyoto is easy, perfect grids :p
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20:52  * newmanbe starts on the map for the mirrors.
20:54  * akh misses grids
20:54 < newmanbe> What's that?
20:54 < akh> I lived in cities that were on a grid plan when I was growing up.
20:54 < newmanbe> Oh.
20:55 < newmanbe> Like city blocks?
20:55 < akh> More than that:  the streets were more or less straight all the way across the city.
20:56 < akh> And generally kept the same name, even when crossing town lines.
20:56 < newmanbe> That is mostly how it works here.
20:56 < baba> many american cities are like that
20:56 < baba> but not in the other parts of the world
20:56 < akh> Right.
20:57 < baba> kyoto is an exception
20:57 < akh> Ah.
20:57 < baba> kyoto was planned with perfect grid pattern in 794
20:58 < akh> Wow--my city was founded in 1711 and it still looks like the roads follow cow paths.
20:59 < baba> hehe
21:01 < akh> Admittedly, it's on 7 hills, like Rome, so it's hard to have an extended grid.
21:01 < newmanbe> Most of this area was flattened.
21:02 < baba> i heard american ppl extended the grid even in hills in san francisco?
21:03 < newmanbe> Apparently.
21:03 < newmanbe> I have seen movies of San Francisco.
21:03 < newmanbe> Big hills.
21:07 < akh> Yeah--they don't do that kind of thing in New England.
21:07 < akh> It would make navigation way too easy.
21:07 < newmanbe> No, they just dig underwater there.
21:07 < akh> Yup.
21:08 < akh> Gotta get to the airport somehow.
21:08 < baba> akh: are we moving the binary dist repository, or have we moved already?
21:08 < akh> I believe we have moved.
21:08 < akh> It's in the new fink-mirrors.
21:09 < newmanbe> Fink has a lot of mirrors.
21:10 < baba> ok i will write "we have moved" in FAQ
21:10 < baba> it just is a matter of translating
21:11 < newmanbe> I got all the sponsors on the fikmirrors.net in a xplanet marker file ready for the co-ordinates!
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21:14 < akh> baba:  Sounds good.
21:14 < akh> Man, the fink README file is out of date!
21:15 < akh> It lists 3 methods to update fink:  one of which is impossible now, the second is rarely needed, and the third is deprecated.
21:16 < akh> Actually, the third isn't even deprecated--it's just old.
21:18 < akh> (manual CVS update)
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21:26 < baba> you know what to do :p
21:27 < akh> Yeah.
21:27 < akh> Not tonight though.
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21:30 < newmanbe> !lart Wikipedia articles that do not have the co-ordinates for the city in them
21:30  * Melian send killer squirrels to attack Wikipedia articles that do not have the co-ordinates for the city in them
21:30 < att> howdy all.
21:30 < newmanbe> Hello.
21:32  * newmanbe steals operator access to #fink and sets up ChanServ to tell people about the map when they join this channel. :p
21:33 < baba> i don't think this map is finished yet :p
21:33 < newmanbe> Not quite.
21:34 < newmanbe> Fink isn't past 1.0 either though.
21:34 -!- mode/#fink [+o akh] by ChanServ
21:34 -!- mode/#fink [+o baba] by ChanServ
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21:35 <@baba> want me to add map in the topic?
21:35 < newmanbe> Not unless you want to.
21:35 <@akh> Go for it.
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21:35 -!- baba changed the topic of #fink to: See http://fink.sf.net/ for information on using Fink with Tiger || Have a question?  First, check the faq: http://fink.sf.net/faq/ || Latest Installer: Fink 0.6.3 (for 10.2) and 0.7.1 (for 10.3) || Latest fink 0.24.6 || Canes Venatici || Check New Map in http://fink.sourceforge.net/map
21:36 < akh> OK with me.
21:36 <@baba> ah they use sf, not sourceforge
21:36 -!- baba changed the topic of #fink to: See http://fink.sf.net/ for information on using Fink with Tiger || Have a question?  First, check the faq: http://fink.sf.net/faq/ || Latest Installer: Fink 0.6.3 (for 10.2) and 0.7.1 (for 10.3) || Latest fink 0.24.6 || Canes Venatici || Check New Map in http://fink.sf.net/map
21:37 < newmanbe> I use finkproject.org.
21:37 <@baba> i just meant in the topic they use sf instead of sourceforge
21:37 < newmanbe> Yeah.
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21:40 < akh> saves room
21:41  * newmanbe has seen longer.
21:42 < newmanbe> Anyone know the physical location for master.us.finkmirrors.net?
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21:44 < Feanor> master.us is opendarwin.org and is hosted by the ISC somewhere or other in california
21:44 < newmanbe> Okay.
21:45 < newmanbe> It traceroutes to sancho.
21:46 < newmanbe> San Francisco according to bbraun.
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21:50 < zizban> I keep trying to get them to let me have it but nooooooooo
21:50 < Feanor> OD doesn't have great hardware
21:51 < Feanor> lamancha was downgraded and now it's not even dual cpu
21:51 < zizban> really? that stinks
21:52 < zizban> maybe after switches to Intel we'll get dual Opterons or something
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21:57 < zizban> Carrie is American Idol, in case anyone cares
21:57 < htodd> YOU SPOILED IT FOR ME
21:58 < zizban> okay I was kidding
21:58 < zizban> it was Scott Savol
21:58 < htodd> for that, you must fix my packages
21:58 < zizban> heh
21:58 < zizban> sure if you want them completely fubared, sure
22:01 <@baba> akh?
22:02 <@baba> http://fink.sourceforge.net/doc/users-guide/usage.php?phpLang=en#selfupdate
22:03 <@baba> i don't get "tes, if you select one of those options the first time this command is run"
22:06 < akh> When you run "fink selfupdate" for the first time, you are given the choice of cvs, rsync, or neither.
22:06 < akh> If you select "neither" then "fink selfupdate" won't change your update method by itself.
22:07 < akh> (i.e. "Stick with point releases)
22:11 < akh> So "those options" refer to cvs or rsync.
22:11 < akh> bedtime for me.
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22:12 <@baba> ouch
22:16 < Feanor> i wonder if anyone sticks with point releases
22:17 <@baba> maybe corporate users(, if any)
22:20 < zizban> sometimes I will, to be test
22:20 < zizban> to test
22:20 < zizban> I like to try all kinds of update and combos so I can help others
22:22 < cirdan> hey all
22:23 <@baba> the "cvs" dir is removed now :)
22:23 < cirdan> baba-san
22:23 <@baba> hai
22:24 < cirdan> konbanwa
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22:27 < cirdan> hey drm
22:27 < drm> hey cirdan
22:27 < zizban> hey drm
22:29 < drm> hey zizban
22:30 < cirdan> drm i've noticed problems are starting w/ppl who have 10.3 and update to 10.4
22:30 < cirdan> they do a selfupdate, but ink's version is the same so no dists change takes place
22:30 < cirdan> fink's
22:31 < cirdan> my code is almost ready for testing and public release :-)
22:31 < drm> that's why the web page says to do "fink reinstall fink"
22:31 < cirdan> the 1st phase anyway
22:31 < drm> they need to re-run the postinstall script
22:31 < cirdan> we had a user earlier who couldn't reinstall, as fink said there was no deb
22:32 < cirdan> and rebuild was a problem too
22:32 < zizban> ouch
22:32 < cirdan> had to d/l the tarball and ./injdct.pl
22:32 < cirdan> dunno what happened to get in that state, but i think that fixed it
22:32 < drm> yeah, maybe it would be better to tell them something like "./sw/lib/fink/postinstall.pl"
22:32 < drm> if that's the rigth path
22:33 < drm> that directly calls the relevant script
22:33 < cirdan> yup. /sw/lib/fink/postinstall.pl
22:33 < drm> sorry, no "." at the front of that
22:34 < cirdan> anyway, once phase 1 is in fink, fink will tell them whats wrong :-) and to dist-upgrade to change to 10.4-trans
22:38 < Clef> drm: have you seen this perl581 problem, where it won't compile on tiger?
22:38 < Clef> make: *** No rule to make target `/sw/lib/perl5-core/5.8.1/darwin-thread-multi-2level/CORE/objXSUB.h', needed by `BerkeleyDB.o'.  Stop.
22:38 < Clef> (for various perlmods)
22:38 < Clef> (perl581 compiles - just not modules)
22:39 < drm> no
22:39 < Clef> someone had it on -beginners, too.
22:39 < drm> haven't run into that one
22:39 < drm> hmmm
22:39 < Clef> objXSUB.h is a 5.6 thing
22:39 < drm> is that header present?
22:39 < Clef> it doesn't exist on tiger.
22:39 < Clef> it is only part of perl 5.6
22:39 < Clef> so 5.8 wanting it is a mystery.
22:39 < cirdan> so why would it look under 5.8.1?
22:39 < drm> yeah, a mystery indeed
22:40 < Clef> some leftover compilation cruft from upgrade install
22:40 < Clef> i tried recompiling perl581-core but did not fix
22:40 < drm> any clue in the Makefile?
22:40 < drm> (the one generate by makemaker)
22:40 < Clef> need to investigate.
22:40 < Clef> just thought you might have seen it.
22:40 < drm> nope
22:40 < Clef> before investigating :)
22:41 < drm> yeah
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23:06 < Sess> is there a gimp 2.2x or 2.4x in fink?
23:07 < Sess> I can't use my tablet with this version
23:07 < Sess> 2.0
23:09 < Sess> and I should likke to say that my modules still load ass slow in this version 2.0
23:10 < Sess> I started the gimp2.0 over 2 minutes ago
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23:13 < Feanor> nobody has figured out how to port gimp 2.2 and have it work with apple x11
23:15 < Matt_O> has anyone seen these linker errors? /usr/bin/ld: Undefined symbols:
23:15 < Matt_O> std::__default_alloc_template<true, 0>::deallocate(void*, unsigned long)
23:15 < Matt_O> std::__default_alloc_template<true, 0>::_S_force_new
23:15 < Matt_O> std::__default_alloc_template<true, 0>::_S_free_list
23:15 < Matt_O> std::__default_alloc_template<true, 0>::_S_node_allocator_lock
23:15 < Matt_O> std::__default_alloc_template<true, 0>::allocate(unsigned long)
23:15 < Matt_O> std::__default_alloc_template<true, 0>::_S_refill(unsigned long) 
23:15 < Matt_O> I can't figure out how to get arond them
23:20 < cirdan> night all
23:20 < htodd> night?
23:21 < htodd> I'm still at work
23:21 < cirdan> so am i...
23:21 < cirdan> but i'm going to sleep
23:21 < htodd> :)
23:23 < Feanor> Matt_O: use g++ instead of gcc to link
23:23 < Feanor> or add -lstdc++ -lsupc++
23:23 < cirdan> just use g++ to link, it's the correct way :-)
23:25 < Matt_O> odd.. pretty sure we were using g++ to link..
23:25 < Matt_O> but I'll try again
23:33 < Sess> wait, one more thing,  How do I get pressure sensitivity to work with my Wacom Intuos and/or graphire?
23:34 < Sess> and don't say it can't be done
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23:38 < Feanor> i've never used an XInput device
23:38 < Matt_O> we are using g++ ... we don't get the error if we dynamically link, but we are trying to statically link.. with a bunch of libs built with fink including sdl, sdl_mixer and the ogg vorbis libs.. does that require something special?
23:39 < Feanor> the three mentioned aren't in c++
23:39 < Feanor> if you are using more than them it's possible you are mixing two versions of g++ compiled things
23:39 < Feanor> which i wouldn't know how to fix
23:39 < Matt_O> so would you suggest just manually compiling all the libs with the same version of g++ ?
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