--- Log opened Fri May 27 00:00:38 2005
00:13 < gpd> checking for fort77 option to produce PIC... -fno-common
00:13 < gpd> keeps hanging on that...??
00:20 < cirdan> gpd: your xcode install is hosed
00:21 < gpd> damnation
00:21 < cirdan> <gpd> xgcc: installation problem, cannot exec `c++filt': No such file or 
00:21 < cirdan> wtf is xgcc?
00:21 < gpd> good question...
00:22 < gpd> strangely i ignored it and did update-all again and it is continuing...
00:22 < cirdan> oh
00:22 < gpd> curiouser and curiouser
00:23 < gpd>  [00:20] [gpd(+i)] [2:#fink(+nt)] [Act: 1]
00:24 < gpd> Having seen the Gentoo install instructions, I think I'd rather circumcise myself . anonymous.
00:24 < gpd> you should change !gentoo to that... :-()
00:25 < cirdan> heh
00:27 < cirdan> gentoo?
00:27 < cirdan> !gentoo
00:27 < Melian> well, gentoo is for Ricers: http://funroll-loops.org/ | <reply> "Gentoo Portage on OSX: If you enjoy never knowing what state your system is in, go for it." | "Having seen the Gentoo install instructions, I think I'd rathercircumcise myself." -anonymous.
00:27 < cirdan> hmm
00:27 < cirdan> forget gentoo
00:27 < gpd> nice work ;-)
00:27 < cirdan> !forget gentoo
00:27 < Melian> i forgot gentoo, cirdan
00:28 < cirdan> Melian: gentoo is (for Ricers: http://funroll-loops.org/ | <reply> "Gentoo Portage on OSX: If you enjoy never knowing what state your system is in, go for it." | "Having seen the Gentoo install instructions, I think I'd rathercircumcise myself." -anonymous.)
00:28 < Melian> cirdan: okay
00:28 < cirdan> forget gentoo
00:28 < cirdan> !gentoo
00:28 < Melian> "Gentoo Portage on OSX: If you enjoy never knowing what state your system is in, go for it."
00:28 < cirdan> :-)
00:29 < cirdan> !gentoo
00:29 < Melian> "Gentoo Portage on OSX: If you enjoy never knowing what state your system is in, go for it."
00:30 < gpd> http://linuxreviews.org/dictionary/Gentoo_Linux/
00:30 < gpd> There's also a "Gentoo for Mac OS X" project which allows Mac OS X users to use Gentoo's Portage to install packages, in a similar way to the one provided by Fink (although without having to rely on a chroot environment). Although still a work in progress, this project can replace Fink because it uses the same environment as Mac OS X instead of creating a new one.
00:30  * gpd is outraged...
00:30 < cirdan> ?
00:31 < cirdan> gentoo overwrites os x stuff, iirc
00:31 < cirdan> the "same environment"
00:31 < cirdan> which is why most ppl wont touch it
00:31 < Feanor> ugh
00:31 < cirdan> !gentoo
00:31 < Melian> hmm... gentoo is for Ricers: http://funroll-loops.org/
00:31 < Feanor> the gimp2 slowdown is because of dlsym
00:31 < gpd> The newest Gentoo for MacOS installer features collision protection which prevents portage from overwriting files that it does not own.
00:31 < Feanor> recursing in __dyld__ZNK11ImageLoader13resolveSymbolEPKcbPPS_
00:32 < cirdan> Feanor: fun
00:32 < gpd> is your information current?
00:32 < gpd> http://gentoo-wiki.com/Gentoo_MacOS
00:32 < cirdan> pogma is making a patch for odcctools, iirc
00:33 < gpd> wtf is graphviz... keeps breaking... 
00:36 < gpd> how do i find out why it is being installed... it isn't on my system at the moment according to dpkg
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00:37 < gpd> i can do dependecy check on it... but that doesn't tell me what depends on it...
00:39 < gpd> checking if fort77 PIC flag -fno-common works...
00:39 < gpd> still keeps hanging on that ... 
00:39 < gpd> ctrl-c does nothing but ctrl-\ stops it.
00:41 < cirdan> is it using gcc?
00:41 < cirdan> or xgcc
00:42 < gpd> just seems to stop at checking if fort77 PIC flag -fno-common works...
00:42 < gpd> can't i just get rid of it...
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00:43 < gpd> not obvious to me how i find out what is requiring it...
00:43 < gpd> (graphviz that is)
00:46 < gpd> sudo fink remove fort77 - you little beauty
00:46 < gpd> clearly red wine helps in this process
00:47 < gpd> arseburgers... that didn't work
00:50 < gpd> rm -rf /sw && cry
00:50 < gpd> or any ideas...
00:54 < gpd> export CC=gcc-3.3; export CXX=g++-3.3; ./configure --prefix=/sw --mandir=/sw/share/man --with-extraincludedir=/sw/include --with-extralibdir=/sw/lib --with-tcl=/sw --with-tk=/sw --with-x --x-includes=/usr/X11R6/include --x-libraries=/usr/X11R6/lib --with-freetypeincludedir=/usr/X11R6/include/freetype2 --enable-static --disable-shared
00:54 < gpd> that is before the fatal graphviz failure due to fort777
00:54 < gpd> so gcc not xgcc
00:57  * gpd drains glass and watches in amazement as it compiles...
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01:16 < michal__> Failed to fetch file:/sw/fink/dists/unstable/main/binary-darwin-powerpc/Packages  File not found
01:16 < michal__> is that normal?
01:16 < michal__> i did fink selfupdate; fink index
01:16 < michal__> after adding unstable/main and unstable/cryptto (which also gets an error like that)
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01:46 < cirdan> arseburgers...what a thought
01:46  * cirdan sleeps
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02:03 < quinlan> do I want to install fink's perl 5.8.1 or 5.8.6?
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02:04 < quinlan> oops... still learning how to use Colloquy
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02:09 < quinlan> hrm
02:10 < quinlan> svn-client wants a package that isn't available
02:10 < quinlan> Failed: Can't resolve dependency "x11-shlibs" for package "python23-2.3.5-12" (no matching packages/versions found)
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02:18 < Clef> !x11
02:18 < Melian> i guess x11 is http://fink.sourceforge.net/doc/x11/index.php
02:18 < Clef> need to update that hmm
02:24 < quinlan> I have Tiger
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08:08 < akh> grr....3 password prompts just to selfupdate.
08:09 < akh> and then fink made me reinstall gettext-dev...
08:10 < akh> OK, done complaining for now.  ;-)
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08:23 < RangerAway> akh: dude, set up ssh keys
08:23 < RangerAway> :)
08:24 < pogma> akh: and then make a document for fink developers on setting up ssh keys :)
08:24 < akh> I did use SSH keys.
08:25 < akh> And it's in the :"multilingual HOWTO" in the docs.
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08:26 < akh> There's probably a piece that I'm missing, like having the keys used automatically.
08:26 < pogma> yeah, I think so
08:27 < akh> (which isn't in the multilingual doc, either)
08:27 < pogma> what do you have in ~/.ssh/config ?
08:28 < lisppaste> pogma pasted "ssh config snippit" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/8628
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08:30 < akh> Didn't have one.
08:30 < akh> That'd do it.  ;-)
08:38  * akh sets up a Fink sandbox.
08:39 < akh> Which will only take like 3 hours to bring me to current/stable status.
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08:53 < cirdan> mornig all
08:55 < akh> morning.
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09:00 < cirdan> !wb akh 
09:00 < Melian> Welcome back akh, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos.
09:00 < akh> heh--I was supposed to reboot but then remembered that I had builds that needed finishing.
09:05  * cirdan is hungary
09:05 < cirdan> it's too bright out too
09:05  * cirdan felt like a vampire this week
09:24 < akh> Yeah, what's up with all that blue?
09:24 -!- You're now known as RangerRick
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09:26 < cirdan> hurtst the eyes
09:26 < cirdan> and is hot
09:26 < drm> RangerRick: seems like we're doing 'dueling commits' :)
09:27 < cirdan> "It burns! It burns!"
09:27 < akh> heh
09:27 < RangerRick> drm: eh?
09:28 < drm> RangerRick: perl560, perl582, python21, python24 aren't in stable... so those variants can't be part of a stable pckage
09:28 < RangerRick> d'oh
09:28 < RangerRick> damn, I always forget to remove those  :)
09:28 < RangerRick> sorry...
09:28 < RangerRick> hehe
09:28 < drm> you updated postgresql-foo in 10.4-transitional/stable, restoring those variants (it was the only change)
09:28 < drm> and i've taken them back out :)
09:28  * akh hears banjos.
09:28 < drm> well, the -tcl was a real change of course... thanks for that
09:28 < RangerRick> I hadn't realized I'd already updated 10.4 stable with the 8.0.3 packages
09:29 < RangerRick> thought it was still 8.0.2 everywhere
09:29 < RangerRick> ah well, sorry about that  :)
09:29 < RangerRick> need to make a script or something to do it for me
09:29 < drm> also, there is still this problem that postgresql-perl581 doesn't compile on Tiger and -perl-586 doesn't compile on Panther (the .so issue)
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09:30 < RangerRick> yeah
09:30 < RangerRick> I need to dig into the perl-module building
09:30 < drm> anyway, your changes made it under the wire for the bindist
09:30 < RangerRick> cool
09:31 < RangerRick> since I missed the wire for KDE, I'll look into building binaries for it when I get everything moved to stable
09:33 < drm> yeah, we can add them in 0.8.0-current
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09:45 < pogma> drm: thanks for fixing gnucash
09:46 < drm> you mean the builddepends? par for the course
09:47  * drm hasn't rebuilt the 10.3 one yet
09:50  * gpd enters my 15th hour of compiling unstable from source...
09:50 < RangerRick> gpd: welcome to the club
09:50  * RangerRick maintains KDE, takes 4 hours to test any package change
09:50 < drm> gpd: depending on your hardware, KDE alone can take that long
09:51  * gpd dreams of having unstable binaries 
09:51 < cirdan> heh
09:52 < RangerRick> don't we all
09:52 < gpd> what is the main barrier to this?
09:52 < gpd> time / money / servers?
09:52 < drm> yes
09:52 < gpd> or code?
09:52 < drm> time, really
09:52 < gpd> no automated binary production code?
09:53 < cirdan> not realy
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09:53 < cirdan> ok, i thkn i have debbugs fully migrated to sancho
09:53 < drm> sure... but somebody needs to monitor packages for all sorts of things
09:53 < gpd> files all end up in different locations from debian... (for example)
09:53 < cirdan> can someone make a bug report to test?
09:54 < cirdan> if all goes well i'll make the post to -devel
09:54 < cirdan> (reportbug is the easiest way)
09:54 < drm> everything is perfect; i have no bugs to report :)
09:54 < cirdan> liar :-)
09:55 < drm> does "cirdan bugs me" count? :)
09:55 < cirdan> my dns is bad, so i can't :-/
09:55 < troex> hi, how can I build some packages without support for X, for example I want to fink install nmap but without it's gtk-interface?
09:55 < cirdan> drm: sure, but it'll be closed as a duplicate :-)
09:55 < cirdan> troex: fink list nmap
09:55 < cirdan> you'll see a -nox version
09:56 < troex> ahh thanks
09:56 < drm> cirdan: honestly, i have no idea how to report a bug in the new system
09:56 < cirdan> drm: fink install reportbug
09:56 < drm> bah
09:56 < cirdan> it's a python interface
09:56 < cirdan> you could hand craft one and email it :-)
09:57  * cirdan tries
09:58 < drm> i guess reportbug is only in the unstable tree
09:58  * drm is running "stable-only" right now
09:58 < cirdan> oh
09:58 < cirdan> hrm
09:58  * gpd requests FAQ: 'Why is there no unstable binary distribution?'
09:59 < cirdan> !tell gpd about unstable
10:00 < gpd> I mean an FAQ on the website for people like me...
10:00 < cirdan> hehe
10:02 < gpd> I will illustrate my lack of understanding further...
10:03 < gpd> when I've compiled source packages using rpm if it compiled ok then all you had to do was tell it to make a binary rpm... 
10:03 < akh> Yup.
10:03 < gpd> once the source is compilable on the platform isn't it a no brainer to make the binary deb / rpm?
10:03 < gpd> the hard work has already been done...
10:03 < akh> Fink does that already.
10:03 < drm> the packages in the fink system have to work together
10:04 < drm> there are issues of dependencies
10:04 < gpd> but i am downloading all the source packages
10:04 < gpd> which are known to work together in unstable
10:04 < gpd> and i am compiling them
10:04 < gpd> and it all should work... you have done the hard work
10:04 < gpd> but yet again i compile...
10:04 < akh> "should".  It doesn't always.
10:05 < gpd> so the source is there so i can fix it?
10:05 < gpd> if binary everything would be more broken?
10:05 < gpd> sorry - i just don't understand - i am a simple end user ;-)
10:06 < gpd> hence request for faq on the site... i will write it for you once i understand...
10:06 < akh> It's simple.  Say package A depends on packages B, C, D.
10:06 < gpd> ok
10:07 < akh> Somebody has B, C, D installed, so they can run A.
10:07 < gpd> yep
10:07 < akh> But now say that the package description doesn't specify that A needs D.
10:07 < akh> If somebody happens to have D, A works, but it doesn't get installed automatically.
10:08 < akh> (it being D)
10:08 < gpd> but all those dependencies should have been worked out if there is a debian package for that code...
10:08 < akh> No, no.  
10:08 < cirdan> e are not debian
10:09 < cirdan> we juse use the .deb archive format
10:09 < RangerRick> !find
10:09 < RangerRick> damn, must have disappeared
10:09 < akh> find?
10:09 < cirdan> !fink
10:09 < Melian> hmm... fink is not Debian. Fink is not Debian. Fink is not Debian. Repeat ;-)
10:09 < RangerRick> ah, that's right
10:09 < RangerRick>  "find" is a keyword
10:09 < cirdan> !debian
10:09 < Melian> [debian] not Fink. Debian is not Fink. Debian is not Fink. Please repeat that.
10:09 < cirdan> :-)
10:10 < gpd> agreed but both are compiling the same code
10:10 < cirdan> RangerRick: find is a command, so can't make it a factoid
10:10 < RangerRick> yeah
10:10 < cirdan> not really
10:10 < gpd> and the code should have the dame dependencies
10:10 < cirdan> no
10:10 < cirdan> it doesnt
10:10 < gpd> although the package names differ (unfortunately)
10:10 < RangerRick> gpd: not necessarily, depends on what you want the package to end up depending on
10:10 < cirdan> os x is not debian
10:10 < cirdan> it has different features and requirements
10:10 < RangerRick> some things don't work on OSX, some things are enabled in our builds that may not be enabled in debian's... who knows?
10:10 < cirdan> some things are mostly the same
10:10 < RangerRick> there's too many variables to consider them comparable
10:11 < cirdan> it only appears tghe same
10:11 < cirdan> it's quite different
10:11 < RangerRick> despite using .deb as the archive format, if anything, fink packages are more like RPMs in design
10:11 < cirdan> it's like debian+rpm :-)
10:11 < cirdan> but the .info is much like a .spec
10:11 < RangerRick> eh... it's like fink  ;)
10:12 < gpd> ok... but going back one stage again...
10:12 < gpd> doesn't the compile tell you a lot of the dependencies...?
10:12 < drm> gpd: the main issue here is the very uneven quality of the packages in our unstable database
10:13 < drm> gpd: if everybody had made perfect packages in the past, this would be easy
10:13 < drm> gpd: but they didn't, so there is lots of checking that has to be done
10:13 < akh> gpd:  And the compile tells you more about build-time dependencies than runtime ones.
10:13 < gpd> right - got it...
10:13 < drm> gpd: our philosophy somehow has been that it was OK to have crap in the "from source" pkgs, but the crap should be removed before we release binaries
10:13 < gpd> so everytime this compile breaks i can look at why and fix it...
10:14 < drm> gpd: this is debatable, of course, but its the way we've done things for quite a while
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10:14 < gpd> so in theory i should report to you the dependency that was not found
10:14 < gpd> to enable you to more quickly release the binaries...
10:14 < drm> report to the pcakge maintainer, correct
10:14 < cirdan> if we got a decent script for unstable builds, the quality of the unstable packages would get better much quicker
10:14 < drm> people are supposed to be responsible for their own packages (although in practice, they aren't)
10:15 < cirdan> well, after the initial month long series of errors and failures :-)
10:15 < drm> cirdan: we have a decent script for building... two independent ones, in fact
10:15 < gpd> and when eveything is fixed to a point where most binaries work together... that is when you release them...
10:15 < gpd> and the reason stable is a bit behind is because you don't have enough people doing all this... 
10:15 < gpd> alll becomes clear...
10:15 < drm> gpd: well, the process of creating a new bindist is very time-consuming, and we don't have a lot of volunteers who seem eager to do it
10:15 < drm> yup
10:15 < cirdan> drm: i mean full auto, w/saved build logs per package, and auto emails to maintainers on failed builds
10:16 < drm> cirdan: full auto will never work, because of debconf :)
10:16 < cirdan> drm: yes it will
10:16  * drm is jerking cirdan's chain :)
10:16 < cirdan> debconf can be told to never ask a question
10:16 < cirdan> how do u think debian manages it :-p
10:17 < drm> but seriously, on every new install, debconf interrupts my automated build
10:17 < drm> because the first time it is instlaled on a system, it insists on asking questions
10:17 < cirdan> install it first and config it to never ask :-)
10:17 < drm> is there a way to edisable that?
10:17 < gpd> so the reason ubuntu is ahead is because they have more money and people, and possibly because the packages were designed for linux, and work has already been done by debian...
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10:17 < drm> cirdan: that's not fully automated though, is it?
10:17 < cirdan> as long as it isn't purged it is
10:17 < drm> gpd: notice the relative sizes of user bases of linux and fink, and you'll answeryour own question
10:18 < cirdan> cause dpkg will know it has configs already
10:18 < drm> cirdan: but making a new bindist i start from scratch
10:18 < drm> cirdan: can't we put some .foo file somewhere to fool debconf?
10:18 < cirdan> drm i guess i could make it respect an env variable or something...
10:19 < cirdan> $fink_bindist :-)
10:19 < drm> cirdan: then that only leaves a handful of silly packages that won't compile unless they have access to acqua
10:19 < drm> (as the obstacle to a fully automated build)
10:20 < gpd> have you ever had a conversation with Apple about partnerships... I would have thought 'All of GNU at your fingertips' would have something Apple might have been pleased at...
10:20 < gpd> they give a lot of money to bioinformatics companies to encourage people to switch...
10:20 < cirdan> heh
10:20 < gpd> they were always bugging me at conferences...
10:20 < cirdan> we have some support
10:21 < drm> gpd: apple decided to compete with us instead of cooperate
10:21 < cirdan> a little in fact
10:21 < gpd> damn them!
10:21 < cirdan> but recently we got an apple engineer ;-)
10:21 < gpd> cool...
10:21 < drm> gpd: and if they would only compete more successfully, we could give up and switch to their system
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10:21 < cirdan> drm: seriously, dp is no compition ;-)
10:21 < gpd> dp?
10:21 < cirdan> darwinports
10:21 < drm> cirdan: it is in terms of getting interested open source folks to work on the project
10:22 < gpd> dp is backed by apple?
10:22 < cirdan> but not in being a usable product
10:22 < drm> gpd: dp was founded by apple engineers
10:22 < cirdan> with a large installed base
10:22 < drm> and one guy who was hired shortly after the founding
10:22 < cirdan> they are waay too caught up in polotics
10:22 < cirdan> poli
10:22 < drm> cirdan: right
10:23 < cirdan> our leaders do good cause we forced them to lead, not because they wanted too :-)
10:23 < drm> we are a usable product, with a large installed base, whose development is seriously hampered by the existence of the quasi-apple-sponsored competing project
10:24 < gpd> what a mess...
10:24 < drm> never fear... it will only get worse :)
10:24 < gpd> and their packages do not give you the dependency information?
10:24 < cirdan> heh
10:24 < cirdan> gpd: yes, but not exactly
10:25 < cirdan> packages are not 1:1
10:25 < gpd> and they are source too so no use in my quest for binaries... :-)
10:25 < cirdan> but the patches are usually perfect for us
10:25 < cirdan> gpd: they dont exist on os x
10:25 < cirdan> not working ones
10:26 < pogma> gpd: http://bugreporter.apple.com
10:26 < pogma> gpd: file a bug, no package manager
10:26  * cirdan should file a bug: disbandon dp and move all resources to #fink
10:26 < cirdan> ;-)
10:27 < cirdan> feature enhancement
10:27 < pogma> cirdan: dp has no resources that fink does not have access to
10:27 < gpd> am on the case... will get everyone i know to do so :-)
10:27 < cirdan> quasi-apple-sponsored
10:27 < gpd> meanwhile... xgcc not found... wtf!!??
10:27 < gpd> g77 compilation fails again...
10:28 < gpd> 'my xcode is hosed'...?
10:28 < pogma> gpd: what version, what OS?
10:28 < gpd> 10.4.1
10:28 < gpd> dual 2.0 G5
10:28 < pogma> fink list g77
10:28 < gpd>      g77              3.4.3-11     GNU Fortran compiler
10:30 < gpd> locate xgcc  = nothing...
10:30 < gpd> google xgcc = minimal
10:30 < pogma> xgcc is the compiler built during stage 1 bootstrap of gcc
10:30 < clepple> gpd: xgcc is an internal part of the gcc build
10:31 < gpd> xgcc: installation problem, cannot exec `c++filt': No such file or directory
10:31 < gpd> make[2]: *** [genmodes] Error 1
10:31 < gpd> make[1]: *** [stageprofile_build] Error 2
10:31 < gpd> make: *** [profiledbootstrap] Error 2
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10:31 < pogma> gpd: Ah, c++filt
10:31 < pogma> gpd: grab the install DVD
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10:32  * gpd is currently on via ssh and 10 miles from DVD ;-)
10:32 < gpd> when I arrive... i should... ?
10:33 < pogma> install the BSD SDK
10:33 < gpd> ok great... thanks for the info everyone... i'll bbl... 
10:33 < pogma> optional install, choose customize
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10:33 < cirdan> yay...
10:34 < cirdan>  Feel free to continue using fink, but you will be unable to build any new packa
10:36 < RangerRick> "You are welcome to put your time where your mouth is.  We will continue this discussion after your package submission.  Thank you, have a nice day."
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10:37 < clepple> RangerRick: shouldn't Melian know how to say that by now? :-)
10:37 < RangerRick> clepple: hehehe
10:37 < RangerRick> Melian: hand
10:37 < Melian> RangerRick: I wish you would RTFM.
10:38 < RangerRick> Melian: hand is "You are welcome to put your time where your mouth is.  We will continue this discussion after your package submission.  Thank you, have a nice day."
10:38 < Melian> RangerRick: okay
10:38 < RangerRick> Melian: hand
10:38 < Melian> it has been said that hand is "You are welcome to put your time where your mouth is.  We will continue this discussion after your package submission.  Thank you, have a nice day."
10:38 < RangerRick> eh
10:38 < RangerRick> Melian: hand is <reply>You are welcome to put your time where your mouth is.  We will continue this discussion after your package submission.  Thank you, have a nice day.
10:38 < Melian> ...but hand is already something else...
10:38 < RangerRick> Melian: no, hand is <reply>You are welcome to put your time where your mouth is.  We will continue this discussion after your package submission.  Thank you, have a nice day.
10:38 < Melian> okay, RangerRick
10:38 < RangerRick> there
10:39 < clepple> amusing
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10:42 < cirdan> !hand
10:43 < Melian> You are welcome to put your time where your mouth is.  We will continue this discussion after your package submission.  Thank you, have a nice day.
10:43 < cirdan> RangerRick: the problem with that is ppl who *do* sub a package, like Jack...
10:43 < cirdan> :-)
10:44 < pogma> s/submission/submission has been accepted/
10:44 < RangerRick> cirdan: :)
10:44  * clepple has never had hardware where OpenGL was worth all the fuss
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10:46  * akh is working on a new package right now.
10:47 < akh> And already got bitten in the ass by splitoff changes.
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10:50 < akh> Heh--love the "auxiliary source directory" option.
10:57 < cirdan> ~[5~[5~[5~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~2[6~[6~[6~[6~
10:57 < cirdan> [6~[6~[6~
10:57 < newmanbe> !ga cirdan everything
10:57 < Melian> newmanbe sucks...  :-p
10:57 < newmanbe> Oh, so only you can use that?
10:59 < akh> !ga cirdan everything
10:59 < Melian> newmanbe sucks...  :-p
10:59 < akh> heh
10:59 < newmanbe> Hmm, package named hotbabe in 10.4-transitional.
10:59 < akh> Yup.
10:59 < newmanbe> !ga
10:59 < RangerRick> newmanbe: yeah, I thought I packaged that, back in the day
10:59 < RangerRick> oh well
10:59 < akh> 10.2 ?
11:00 < RangerRick> maybe
11:00 < akh> Doesn't show up on the PDB.
11:01 < akh> (of course, the extant versions don't either, yet)
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11:04 < akh> Could have been 10.1/unstable then.
11:05 < RangerRick> could be
11:05 < RangerRick> it was definitely "back in the day"
11:05 < akh> Yah.
11:09 < htodd> back in os 9 days with it was only known as fin
11:10 < akh> fin?
11:11 < newmanbe> cirdan: Silly Melian isn't build with factstats :(
11:11 < newmanbe> To view information about the factoids.
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11:23 < newmanbe> RangerRick: From your blog, I would want you to discontinue non-ssl KDE packages if it means stable comes out faster.
11:25 < RangerRick> :)
11:26 < newmanbe> We need to stay ahead of Debian. :)
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11:27  * gpd is upset by cruel words on his exit...
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11:28 < newmanbe> Hmm?
11:28 < cirdan> yoyo
11:28 < cirdan> hey, i'm confused
11:28 < cirdan> i need to change a few values in fink.conf
11:28 < newmanbe> About what?
11:28 < cirdan> as well as read a few
11:29 < cirdan> can i do this w/o manually reading the conf in, cause that seems to require a path
11:29 < newmanbe> megahal: Is cirdan possessed?
11:29 < megahal> newmanbe: Cirdan i did shoulda worked.
11:30 < cirdan> haha
11:30 < cirdan> newmanbe: i see u used ga :-)
11:30 < newmanbe> And that it only works for me.
11:30 < newmanbe> Melian: forget ga
11:30 < Melian> newmanbe: i didn't have anything called 'ga' to forget
11:31 < mee_bot> hmmmmm - - -  help?
11:31 < mee_bot> fink --version says the pm is version .22.0
11:32 < mee_bot> and and the distro is .7.0.rsync
11:32 < newmanbe> Out-of-date.
11:32 < cirdan> mee_bot: fink != Fink
11:32 < mee_bot> when i run fink selfupdate it says its uptodate
11:32 < mee_bot> The King is a Fink!!!
11:32 < cirdan> the distro is different from the program
11:33 < cirdan> hmm
11:33 < cirdan> pogma: RangerRick ?
11:33 < cirdan> dont remember how to do it?
11:33 < cirdan> TheSin?
11:33 < RangerRick> er?
11:33 < newmanbe> According to what I have, the latest unstable for pm is 0.24.6.
11:33 < mee_bot> i had this happen once bfore - it had something to do with a timestamp file
11:34 < cirdan> RangerRick: 2 pages up or so
11:34 < mee_bot> ages ago
11:34 < RangerRick> cirdan: I still don't get it
11:34 < cirdan> i am finally finishing cmd_dist_upgrade
11:35 < mee_bot> on this server i can't take the hit of whacking the whole base and re doing the whole install right now
11:35 < cirdan> i need to get the basedir from fink.con, and change the $distribution to what it hshould be, and then fix the symlink
11:35 < cirdan> i'm not sure if i need to manually read the config, and if so, how to do it if i dont have the basedir already
11:35 < RangerRick> I really have no idea
11:36 < cirdan> postinstall.pl.in uses @PREFIX@ in the installscript to hard code it
11:36 < cirdan> damn
11:36 < RangerRick> you've been in that bit of the code more than anyone at the moment, if I were to ask such questions, I'd be asking you  :)
11:36 < cirdan> the code i was in hough already reads the config
11:36 < cirdan> :-)
11:37 < cirdan> hmm...
11:38  * cirdan checks fink configure code
11:38 < mee_bot> 070.rsync should go up to 071rsync correct?
11:38 < cirdan> it sucks working in a running car in the bright sun
11:38 < cirdan> at least the air cond. is on :-)
11:39 < mee_bot> (thats why i live in a cave)
11:39 < cirdan> i'm at work, mee_bot 
11:39 < mee_bot> so am i
11:39 < cirdan> uotside i am
11:39 < cirdan> outside
11:39 < mee_bot> underground
11:39 < mee_bot> i've heard of sunlight...
11:40 < mee_bot> scary stuff
11:40 < cirdan> ok gollum
11:40 < mee_bot> i hear it melts stuff
11:40 < cirdan> it burns horribbly
11:40 < mee_bot> eeeeeeeekkkkkkkk
11:40 < cirdan> and the cieling is bright blue
11:40 < cirdan> painful to look at
11:40 < mee_bot> no......
11:40 < cirdan> hurtses, my precious
11:40 < newmanbe> !lart packages that don't update by changing the version and md5
11:40  * Melian lowers packages that don't update by changing the version and md5's priority
11:41 < mee_bot> i just have this weird white cottage cheese looking stuff... 
11:41 < cirdan> !punish evil developers for not changing version numbers
11:41  * Melian power-staples evil developers's genitals to the floor for not changing version numbers
11:41 < cirdan> :-)
11:42 < newmanbe> No, they change the version, it just doesn't build.
11:42 < cirdan> oh
11:42 < mee_bot> i get to watch students wander past looking for drinking fountaings and restrooms
11:43 < mee_bot> they didn't make them like that when i was that age...
11:43 < cirdan> hehe
11:43 < cirdan> students how old?
11:43 < mee_bot> and they certainly didn't DRESS them like THAT...
11:43 < mee_bot> college
11:43 < cirdan> ah
11:43 < cirdan> very nice
11:43  * cirdan loves being in college
11:43 < cirdan> esp. during the summer
11:44 < cirdan> *w0w*
11:44 < mee_bot> in california - summer means any day where there is sunshine... 
11:44 < cirdan> :-)
11:44 < cirdan> i school in philadelphia
11:44 < mee_bot> (and i get stuck in the cave)
11:45 < mee_bot> now dammit... why wont fink work!!!!!!
11:45 < mee_bot> @#$%#$#$$%$%@#$%@#$%
11:45 < newmanbe> Wisconsin apparently has a lot of caves.
11:45 < mee_bot> and they are nice and cool
11:45 < newmanbe> What's not working with Fink?
11:45 < mee_bot> won't selfupdate
11:46 < cirdan> eh
11:46 < cirdan> i havent built anything w/fink for over a month
11:46 < mee_bot> says "done" and it aint
11:46 < cirdan> been too busy adding a new feature, so mine is always broken
11:46 < mee_bot> waaaay outta spec
11:46 < mee_bot> 070 - i need 071
11:47 < cirdan> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/rdisk0
11:47 < cirdan> :-)
11:47 < mee_bot> thanks - that should free up some disk space....
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11:47 < cirdan> hey htodd_ 
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11:47 < cirdan> RangerRick: nm, i found it, thanks anyway :-)
11:47 < mee_bot> you scared him off
11:48 < cirdan> yeah
11:48 < cirdan> i got stuck implementing the iudea i had
11:48 < cirdan> sux0rs ;-)
11:48 < cirdan> usually i can get someone else to do it, cause they want the feaure too
11:48 < newmanbe> !comfort cirdan
11:48 < Melian> There, there, cirdan.  It's OK.  I'm here for you.
11:49 < cirdan> !make me coffee
11:49  * Melian brews a nice hot cup of coffee for cirdan
11:49 < cirdan> mmm
11:49 < mee_bot> is there a force command.... to force fink to check for something?
11:49 < cirdan> what do u mean?
11:49 < newmanbe> !takecoffee cirdan
11:50 < RangerRick> cirdan: frankly, I was kind of scared of the way you described implementing it... but the general idea makes sense so I figured you're welcome to implement it and we'll take a look   :)
11:50  * newmanbe needs to fix the permissions for my local tree.
11:50 < cirdan> RangerRick: i'm doing a good job :-)
11:50 < RangerRick> haha
11:50 < RangerRick> ok then!
11:50 < newmanbe> I have to su to one user then use sudo to do what ever I want to do.
11:51 < cirdan> if i knew the code/perl better, there is a lot of code dupe that i would love to factor out
11:51 < cirdan> but i can manage
11:51 < RangerRick> can always refactor
11:51 < cirdan> anyway, just finishing up phase 1 now...
11:51 < RangerRick> make it work, make it good, make it fast
11:52 < RangerRick> in that order
11:52 < RangerRick> :)
11:52 < cirdan> i cannot do phase 2 alone though :-/
11:52 < newmanbe> !lart packages that fail after building for a while
11:52  * Melian steals packages that fail after building's mojo for a while
11:53 < cirdan> newmanbe: ccache :-)
11:53 < newmanbe> What's that.
11:53 < cirdan> ccache-default, especially
11:53 < cirdan> fink info ccache
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11:53 < newmanbe> Bah, it was a missing doc file.
11:53 < newmanbe> Easy to fix.
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11:56 < gpd> sorry - me again - everybody chorus RTFM -- reinstalled all of xcode with customize and everything checked...  still no c++filt... can't find how to uninstall for reinstall... :-(
11:56 < newmanbe> Would that make some packages not build though?
11:56 < cirdan> you have the 10.4 xcode?
11:56 < cirdan> it shoudl be ther
11:57 < gpd> it should... locate says it is there but it isn't so obviously there recently...
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11:57 < cirdan> try /usr/bin/c++filt
11:57 < gpd> no its missing... 
11:57 < gpd> just c++ c++-3.3 and c++=4.0
11:58 < gpd> xcode tools says it will upgrade... but no sign of uninstall?
11:59 < gpd> BSDSDK successfully installed... (again)... but ls /usr/bin/c++filt = nada... 
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12:05 < mee_bot> okay - switching from rsync to cvs rattled it loose - it seems to be updating now - 
12:05 < mee_bot> <gggrrrrrr>
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12:23 < gpd> bold adventure: copied c++filt from another machine to /usr/bin - and it works... brave or stupid... at this stage I don't care!
12:24 < zizban> there is a thin line between bravery and stupidity
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12:36 < htodd_> ok, wha' happen to my conection
12:36 < zizban> cirdan is hacking it
12:36 -!- htodd_ is now known as htodd
12:36 < htodd> sounds about right
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12:49 < joab> how come the files on the sourceforge page are not in order? i mean, version 0.23.10 is uploaded (or modified) after 0.24.6.. hmm
12:51 < zizban> because sourceforge sucks monkey nuts
12:51 < joab> for real? :)
12:51 < akh> That and because 0.23.x is still being updated even after the release of 0.24.x (bugfixes)
12:53 < joab> oh.. i see
12:53 < zizban> I need to get on the fink map...but I'll probably be grouped with akh
12:53 < joab> hmm... in the INSTALL of 0.24.6 it says Fink 0.7.1 Installation
12:53 < akh> That's right.
12:53 < joab> typo?
12:54 < akh> fink-0.24.6
12:54 < akh> Fink 0.7.1
12:54 < akh> fink is a program, Fink is the distribution.
12:54 < RangerRick> `fink` is the program, Fink is the distribution of the program fink and a collection of package descriptions (and a corresponding bindist)
12:54 < zizban> that too
12:54 < joab> oh, never knew :)
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12:55 < mee_bot> WARNING: You are using a version of gcc which is known to produce incorrect output from C++ code under certain circumstances.
12:55 < zizban> its confusing but you get used to it
12:56 < zizban> once upon a time there was just one fink
12:56 < mee_bot> dragontooth:/sw/fink/dists rmleonard$ gcc_select
12:56 < mee_bot> Current default compiler:
12:56 < mee_bot> gcc version 3.3 20030304 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 1666)
12:56 < RangerRick> mee_bot: you should make sure you have Xcode 1.5 and the november updater installed
12:56 < joab> is the world big enough for two f/Finks?
12:57 < zizban> barely
12:57 < zizban> :)
12:57 < joab> but with tiger i shouldn't install using that funky binary installer thingie?
12:58 < mee_bot> get info on xcode shows 1.5 
12:58 < mee_bot> mod date august 9 2004
12:59 < mee_bot> looking in /Library/receipts/ what is the receipt ticket name?
13:00 < mee_bot> dev tools is aug 9 2004
13:01 < mee_bot> apr2004xcode extras
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13:02 < newmanbe> zizban: Another way of thinking about it is that akh gets grouped with you.
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13:05 < joab> so to install fink/Fink in tiger, should i download the fink-0.24.6 or Fink-0.7.1?
13:05  * newmanbe hopes the new version of xplanet does not have segmentation faults when making maps of part of the world.
13:07 < newmanbe> !rejoice
13:07 < newmanbe> !party
13:07 < newmanbe> !beglad
13:08 < newmanbe> It didn't make a map of the U.S., but the labels for the world map don't cover each other.
13:08 < newmanbe> So now I don't have to make maps of the U.S. and Japan.
13:11 < RangerRick> joab: fink-0.24.6.tar.gz
13:15 < newmanbe> !lart CVS
13:15  * Melian forces CVS to use Outlook Express
13:16 < newmanbe> Ow, that's a bad one.
13:21 < TheSin> hmm so synergy won't compile on tiger
13:21 < TheSin> using current head, can anyone confirm this?
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13:25 < msachs> Yep, failed for me with HEAD the other night.
13:25 < msachs> -Werror and "warning: NULL used in arithmetic"
13:26 < TheSin> I get a bunch of warnaing too
13:26 < TheSin> from QT3
13:26 < TheSin> warning: `NewDMExtendedNotificationUPP' is deprecated 
13:26 < TheSin> stuff like that, but nothing fatal
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13:29 < RangerRick> yeah, msachs has a fix for it I think, I keep forgetting to commit it
13:29 < RangerRick> to be honest, I forgot I ever packaged synergy and released it
13:29 < RangerRick> I should see if there's updates  :)
13:30 < TheSin> it doesn't list it as yours though ben
13:30 < TheSin> it says chrisdolan
13:31 < msachs> All my patch does is add -DHAVE_SOCKLEN_T=1
13:31 < msachs> It looks like that particular issue has been resolved.
13:31 < TheSin> I think removing -Werror might help
13:31 < msachs> Well, yes, but is that the correct solution?  Let me take a look at where it's failing...
13:32 < TheSin> well QT headers are issuing warnings
13:32 < TheSin> about depreciated functions
13:32 < TheSin> !paste
13:32 < Melian> paste is, like, a bot that lets you post large chunks of text without flooding the channel. Use it at http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink
13:33 < msachs> I think changing NULL to 0 on lines 843 and 848 of COSXKeyState.cpp will fix the errors I'm seeing with GCC4.
13:33 < lisppaste> TheSin pasted "synergy qt3 warnings" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/8630
13:34 < msachs> Mm, it dies before that with GCC4.
13:34 < TheSin> yeah I'm on gcc3.3
13:34 < TheSin> just need to get it working :D
13:34 < msachs> Well, the particular warnings we're seeing are pretty harmess, so nuking -Werror might be the way to go.
13:35 < TheSin> at least you can see what's coming :D
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13:35 < TheSin> I'm gonna test it see if it still works after wares
13:35 < TheSin> err wards
13:37 < msachs> warez?
13:38 < TheSin> hehe
13:38 < TheSin> doing too much at once I guess
13:38 < RangerRick> I'll just update it to 1.2.2 and get it all fixed up
13:38 < TheSin> fortunetly for me warez isn't one of them
13:38 < TheSin> I was telling my staff not to warez for other staff and typed it
13:39 < TheSin> RangerRick, it is 1.2.2 in 10.4 unstable
13:39 < RangerRick> really?
13:39 < RangerRick> ah, chris dolan took it over
13:39 < RangerRick> :)
13:39 < TheSin> nod
13:40 < TheSin> looks like it needs a synergy-server split with the daemonic script and postinst/rm scripts to enable/disable it
13:40 < RangerRick> guess I can remove that from my exp then
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13:44 < TheSin> okay well it built
13:44 < TheSin> and I didn't see any other warnings
13:44 < TheSin> just need to build it on the G5 now and test it
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14:13 < TheSin> totlly works
14:13 < TheSin> thanks guys
14:13 < TheSin> shall I commit it? :D
14:13 < msachs> Don't let me stop you.
14:13 < TheSin> hehe
14:14 < TheSin> just not sure if we are still commiting 10.4 fixes for others
14:14 < TheSin> or if I should email it to the maintainer and wait :D
14:15 < msachs> Dunno.
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14:17 < RangerRick> TheSin: go for it
14:17 < RangerRick> just mail the maintainer too
14:17 < TheSin> nod
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14:31 < kc9ddi> I'm using fink with OS X 10.3.9, and I would like to install Quanta.  I already have an X server and ghostscript stuff and such installed, but fink wants to install it all again.  Is there a way to get it to use what I already have installed, instead of trying to install a whole bunch of new stuff?
14:32 < newmanbe> Do you mean ghostscript not installed with Fink?
14:33 < newmanbe> You would have to install it with Fink.
14:34 < newmanbe> Fink should be able to detect X11 not installed with something else.
14:34 < kc9ddi> So it can't use any other non-fink source?
14:34 < newmanbe> For somethings it can, but in general, no.
14:35 < kc9ddi> oh
14:35  * newmanbe didn't know that Quanta+ needed ghostscript.
14:35 < akh_lunch> There's the system-ghostscript package.
14:36 -!- akh_lunch is now known as akh
14:36 < kc9ddi> it seems to - or maybe something it depends on does
14:36 < kc9ddi> Would be nice if there was an OS X version of quanta that worked natively...
14:39 < TheSin> and the X11 part likely needs the X11SDK
14:41 < kc9ddi> Just a general OS X question...
14:42 < kc9ddi> is it possible to access servers only through SSH or SFTP similar to how it works with servers accessed by NFS?
14:43 < TheSin> you could create an NFS portal thru ssh :D
14:43 < TheSin> thought that really isn't a OS X question
14:43 < kc9ddi> Actually, I doubt that you can, given the way NFS and portmap handle port assignments...
14:44 < TheSin> I bet I could
14:45 < kc9ddi> something like the KDE fish:// kio_slave, or shfs or lufs would be cool
14:50 < kc9ddi> it could be feasible to tunnel samba through SSH tho
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15:28 < akh_fud> Fink made my kernel panic!
15:28 -!- akh_fud is now known as akh
15:28 < akh> Probably not.
15:29 < TheSin> likely not
15:29 < TheSin> :D
15:30 < akh> Though the last command I issued did go to a Fink-installed executable.
15:30 < akh> Wait--actually no.
15:30 < akh> Apple made my kernel panic!
15:32 < TheSin> there ya go
15:32 < TheSin> :D
15:32 < akh> Works for me. ;-)
15:32 < TheSin> though it wouldn't be fink anyhow
15:32 < akh> Yeah, I know.
15:32 < TheSin> it would be the fink installed app
15:32 < TheSin> :D
15:32 < TheSin> it would be super hard for fink to cause a panic
15:32  * akh wanted to act like a n00b
15:32 < TheSin> unless perl did
15:32 < TheSin> hehe
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15:33 < akh> The precursor was that Mail.app was starting to take forever to index my boxes.
15:34 < akh> Who knows...
15:37 < akh> <rant>Why is it that users either don't post the important part of their problem, or try to paste up a whole build log starting with configuration?</rant> :\ 
15:38 < TheSin> guardian
15:38 < TheSin> guardian
15:39 < newmanbe> !guardian
15:39 < TheSin> hehe wrong chan
15:39 < TheSin> hey newmanbe 
15:39 < akh> At least it wasn't a password.
15:39 < akh> (or was it?) ;-)
15:43 < TheSin> it would be a sucky password if it was
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15:43 < akh> Yeah.
15:43 < TheSin> I try to always use aplha/nums and at least one symbol
15:44 < TheSin> like try1ng2ba*
15:44 -!- megahal [~astrange@100-241.35-65.tampabay.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
15:44 < TheSin> trying to be a star
15:44 < TheSin> :D
15:44  * newmanbe can think of good passwords, just not fast enough.
15:44 -!- megahal [~astrange@100-241.35-65.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #fink
15:44 < RangerRick> I use common words, all lower-case, for maximum security
15:44 < TheSin> hehe
15:44 < RangerRick> take my root password for all machines, "snow"
15:44 < newmanbe> megahal: How are you doing?
15:44 < RangerRick> it's perfect!
15:44 < megahal> newmanbe: Or are you doing.
15:44 < TheSin> ya BangerBen would do that :D
15:45 < RangerRick> hehehe
15:45 < RangerRick> BB?
15:45 < RangerRick> :)
15:45 < TheSin> hehe
15:45 < RangerRick> it could be
15:45 < RangerRick> COULD
15:45 < RangerRick> that I'm lying
15:45 < TheSin> hehehe
15:45 < TheSin> 1% chance
15:45 < TheSin> but it's still there
15:45 < newmanbe> That would cast shame on all of Fink.
15:45 < RangerRick> haha
15:45 < TheSin> on Fink
15:45 < RangerRick> then my work here is done!
15:45 < TheSin> RangerRick just makes his user root
15:46 < TheSin> easier to run Aqua as root
15:46 < newmanbe> You could just give your user an id of 0.
15:46 < TheSin> r0000000000t!
15:46 < newmanbe> Then you could say you don't use root, but you actually do.
15:46 < TheSin> :D
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15:47 < runelind> is gnu date available in fink?
15:48 < akh> check the PDB
15:48 < TheSin> hehe
15:48 < newmanbe> !pdb
15:48 < Melian> hmm... pdb is the package database, which can be found at http://www.finkproject.org/pdb/
15:48 < runelind> I did a fink list...
15:48 < TheSin> damnit akh you type faster then me
15:48 < TheSin> :D
15:48 < akh> good connection
15:48 < runelind> but thought that it might be called something else
15:48 < RangerRick> hrm, I want to make an open-source tool called gat, and GPL it
15:48 < RangerRick> "gnu-gat"
15:48 < RangerRick> mmm, creamy
15:49 < TheSin> like gnat
15:49 < akh> Dude, go get a candy bar or something--you're delirious.  ;-)
15:49 < RangerRick> hehe
15:49 < RangerRick> gnu-gnat?  that doesn't make any sense
15:49 < RangerRick> I would have to make a tool called "milky way" that depends on gnu-gat
15:49 < TheSin> not gnu
15:49 < TheSin> jus tgnat
15:49 < RangerRick> TheSin: I think you're missing my horrible pun
15:49 < TheSin> that could be the sound the gnu-gat makes
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15:50 < TheSin> instead of nat nat nat nat
15:50 < TheSin> or I did miss the gnu-gat
15:50 < runelind> I'm not seeing the gnu date :(
15:50 < TheSin> I was thinking of a gat like a galtin gun
15:51 < TheSin> err gatlin
15:51 < runelind> I was hoping to be able to do date -d yesterday
15:52 < runelind> oh well, I have to run over and do more meaningless work in another building
15:52 < runelind> bbl
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15:59 < truong> hi
15:59 < truong> I have a question. I got this while trying to install a package, and don't know what to make of it.
15:59 < truong> > fink build monodevelop
15:59 < truong> Password:
15:59 < truong> Information about 4914 packages read in 7 seconds.
15:59 < truong> Failed: Internal error: node for libbonobo2-dev already exists
16:00 < truong> anyone would know what this means?
16:00 < TheSin> nod already exists is in teh FAQ
16:00 < TheSin> !faq
16:00 < Melian> from memory, faq is at http://fink.sourceforge.net/faq/index.php
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16:01 < truong> okay thanks, will check this out
16:02 < TheSin> wb msachs 
16:02 < msachs> thanks
16:02 < msachs> And now I have lunch.
16:02 < TheSin> hehe
16:02 < msachs> Won't be back for long, have a meeting at 1:30.
16:02 < truong> TheSin, thanks the FAQ seems to help, will try it out now
16:02 < TheSin> pass my name to the big guys
16:03 < TheSin> truong, np
16:03 < truong> [and I am grateful for people not taking potshots at me for trying to install Mono-related packages :-P]
16:04 < TheSin> just don't try the pico convos here :D
16:04 < TheSin> it's all vim all the time :D
16:04 < truong> vim rulz
16:04 < truong> [do I get the badge of honor?]
16:05 < TheSin> hehe
16:05 < TheSin> some might say yes around here
16:05 < TheSin> others well, run now :D
16:05 < RangerRick> mono is unfortunately kind of outdated
16:05 < truong> well, me be quiet then, heh!
16:05 < RangerRick> I've run into a lot of problems updating things to 1.1.7
16:05 < RangerRick> but it's on my todo  :)
16:05 < TheSin> and BangerBen has a LONG todo list :D
16:05 < RangerRick> much as it sucks, you're probably better off grabbing the mono installer from their site right now
16:06 < truong> sure, but I wanted to try the Dark Side out, and I wont touch Windows, so...
16:06 < RangerRick> hehe
16:06 < TheSin> truong, not that dark huh :D
16:06 < truong> thing is, I installed with the installer, but the extras like monodoc, I thought Fink would just handle them better
16:06 < truong> little did I know :-P
16:07 < truong> TheSin, if .Net/Mono is not the Dark Side, what is it? A Dark Hole?
16:07 < TheSin> hehehe
16:07 < TheSin> didn't say it wasn't the dark side
16:08 < truong> :-)
16:08 < TheSin> just running windows is deeper down that hole
16:08 < TheSin> :D
16:08 < truong> TheSin++
16:08 < truong> I mean okay, C# looks reasonable enough, for an old 6800 ASM coder ;-)
16:09 < newmanbe> Melian: forget faq
16:09 < Melian> newmanbe: i forgot faq
16:09 < newmanbe> Melian: faq is at http://www.finkproject.org/faq/
16:09 < Melian> okay, newmanbe
16:09 < truong> is Melian a bot? cute... 
16:10 < RangerRick> sweet, the site's up at finkproject now?
16:10 < RangerRick> or has it been?
16:10 < RangerRick> that still SF?
16:10 < akh> I think so.
16:10 < RangerRick> damn
16:11 < truong> RangerRick, any good reference you'd recommend on Mono?
16:11 < newmanbe> www.finkproject.org has worked for awhile.
16:12 < truong> seems to work now
16:13 < truong> okay the fix indicated in the FAQ seems to work out.
16:13 < truong> great
16:13 < TheSin> !faq
16:13 < Melian> i heard faq is at http://www.finkproject.org/faq/
16:13  * truong bows to TheSin
16:14  * TheSin mmmmmm bows back ? :D
16:14 < truong> good, proper manners are always appreciated :-)
16:15 < truong> tip: in doubt, do like the locals ;-)
16:15 < TheSin> hehe
16:15 < TheSin> tis what I was thinking :D
16:15 < truong> who said geeks where socially-handicapped people? pffui
16:15 < TheSin> hehe
16:15 < truong> we're just different is all
16:17 < akh> good morrow, gentles all.
16:18 < truong> er...? Hey dude?
16:18 < akh> or rather good e'en
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16:18 < truong> why is it that anything GTK-related takes a gazillion hours to compile?
16:18 < truong> is it a Free Software tax or sumfin'?
16:20 < newmanbe> !tax
16:20 < truong> all you CPU cycles are belong to us?
16:20 < newmanbe> Melian hasn't been responding when there is nothing in her database.
16:20 < Melian> newmanbe: that's too long
16:20 < newmanbe> Good.
16:21 < runelind> hrm, if I can track down the source for gnu date I might be able to compile it
16:21 < truong> Melian: tax is bad for you
16:21 < Melian> truong: okay
16:22 < runelind> isn't there a central repository for all gnu code?
16:23 < newmanbe> Savannah?
16:23 < TheSin> gnu.org?
16:23 < truong> http://savannah.gnu.org/
16:24 < truong>  /projects/ I think
16:25 < msachs> date is probably part of some bigger collection of stuff.
16:26 < msachs> I'll look it up on my Debian box.
16:26 < TheSin> no no msachs, the meeting
16:26 < TheSin> my name
16:26 < TheSin> the big guys
16:26 < msachs> I'll go in a couple of minutes :)
16:26 < TheSin> hehe
16:27 < msachs> It's in the Debian coreutils package.
16:27 < msachs> ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/coreutils/coreutils-5.2.1.tar.bz2
16:27 < TheSin> shellutils
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16:28 < TheSin> http://packages.debian.org/stable/base/shellutils
16:28 < runelind> probably has a bunch of stuff in the coreutils I don't need
16:28 < TheSin> not sure if that is gnu-date though
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16:28 < RangerRick> last time we tried porting coreutils it broke stuff
16:29 < RangerRick> maybe it's better now, but coreutils was very un-osx-friendly
16:29 < TheSin> that was on tiger seeds though IIRC
16:29 < bllx> are wheel and admin very similar, as groups, in os X?
16:29 < RangerRick> wonder if dports has patches/fixes
16:29 < TheSin> not that they are much differences now
16:29 < bllx> cc Sin
16:29 < runelind> ok, I won't try to compile it
16:30 < msachs> Meeting time.
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16:30 < TheSin> bllx, I'd say yes to the interface
16:30 < runelind> time to go back to my office
16:30 < bllx> o yeh
16:30 < TheSin> I don't think so at the core level though
16:31 < RangerRick> I can take another look at packaging it, and see if they fixed things
16:31 < TheSin> since OS X has a group called wheel and all
16:31 < newmanbe> And admin.
16:31 < RangerRick> at the time it was mostly causing issues because of eg. uname and friends being totally fux0red
16:31 < bllx> k
16:31 < TheSin> RangerRick, OH right I remember the uname thing now
16:32 < RangerRick> looks like they did fix it in dports: http://darwinports.opendarwin.org/darwinports/dports/sysutils/coreutils/files/patch-src__uname.c
16:32 < xivce> hi rangerrick!
16:32 < newmanbe> megahal: Does uname have friends?
16:32 < megahal> newmanbe: Then i guess it does have unstable bindist, and we know you couldn't say why. How. You don't feel i need to be friends.
16:32 < TheSin> looks fixed only one way
16:32 < xivce> i was wondering if you still do the aqua builds of the kde apps
16:32 < RangerRick> xivce: not currently
16:32 < TheSin> I'd like to see it on x86 though
16:32 < RangerRick> waiting for qt4 porting to pick up
16:32 < xivce> oh ok
16:33 < xivce> a friend of mine wants a terminal replacement, kde's would do just fine :)
16:33  * newmanbe likes konsole more than Terminal.app.
16:33 < TheSin> I'd love terminal with tabs
16:33 < newmanbe> Yeah.
16:34 < truong> GLTerm :-)
16:34 < TheSin> and I wish I could move my mail.app folders to the right :\
16:34 < truong> iTerm has tabs
16:34 < TheSin> those nibs are hard to crack :D
16:34 < xivce> glterm is old soft
16:34 < newmanbe> Naw, they're XML.
16:34 < truong> I know was kidding
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16:35 < truong> I used iTerm quite a bit, but went back to Termical
16:35 < truong> Terminal
16:35 < TheSin> me too
16:35 < xivce> terminal does the trick quite nice for me
16:36 < truong> so far so good yeah, but iTerm's tabs were nice to have
16:36 -!- You're now known as RangerAway
16:36 < runelind> I like being able to right click a url and send it to the browser
16:37 < truong> in that field, my fav feature is dragging a file/folder to Terminal
16:37 < TheSin> I like perdy things
16:37 < xivce> any bash scripters overhere btw?
16:37 < TheSin> like transparency
16:37 < TheSin> :D
16:37 < truong> xivce: reasonably
16:37 < TheSin> mmm bash
16:38 < truong> nothing I'd rather do in Python, but yeah, /me dig bash
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16:39 < TheSin> wish OS X came with bash3 though
16:39 < TheSin> bash3 is nice
16:39 < TheSin> builtin debuger and such
16:41 < newmanbe> /home/groups/f/fi/fink/cgi-bin/foo.cgi is fun. :)
16:41 < newmanbe> Not really though.
16:45 < xivce> thesin : i had a version of bash with a debugger laying around somewhere
16:45 < xivce> it was 2.x though
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16:46 < truong> fink has bash3 no?
16:46 < newmanbe> !pdb
16:46 < Melian> pdb is, like, the package database, which can be found at http://www.finkproject.org/pdb/
16:47 < truong> fink list bash
16:47 < truong>      bash                        3.0-2                The GNU Bourne Again Shell
16:47 < truong> reet-o
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16:47  * newmanbe doesn't care if Fink has bash because he uses zsh.
16:48 < xivce> *hides for the coming debate*
16:48 < truong> we all have our weaknesses
16:48  * newmanbe doesn't remember there ever being a shell debate here.
16:48 < newmanbe> I don't care what shell because use because the obviously feel it is best for them.
16:49 < truong> well, as long as it's not perl shell
16:49  * truong ducks
16:49 < newmanbe> Fink is written in perl.
16:49 < truong> [22:48] 	<truong>	we all have our weaknesses
16:49 < truong> :-)
16:49 < xivce> uh oooh
16:49 < xivce> somone set up us the bomb
16:50 < truong> who said religion was dead?
16:50 < truong> just shifted
16:50 < truong> ;-)
16:50 < xivce> heheheh
16:51 < asparagui> thou shalt have no other prompts before me.
16:51 < xivce> who was it again that compared osx users to the jedi knights of the computer world?
16:51 < truong> wanna see my laser sabre, sweetie?
16:51 < Murr> why? because we don't get laid much
16:51 < truong> because we don't look like tin-canned robots
16:52 < xivce> because the Force is strong in us :)
16:52 < truong> ah yes
16:52 < Murr> work on early Tiger seeds sometimes felt like riding a giant, crazed lizard
16:52 < truong> may the Fink be wif ya
16:53 < xivce> heheheheh
16:53 < truong> slimey scales or hard, dry ones?
16:53 < xivce> please, no details :p
16:53  * truong withdraws da question
16:54 < Murr> I said "riding one" not "being rode by one"
16:54 < truong> ah yes
16:54 < truong> that would be longhorn
16:54 < truong> pun intended
16:54 < Murr> I think using Longhorn feels like being articicially inseminated
16:55 < xivce> truong : that may very well be
16:55 < truong> all your innards are belong to us
16:55 < xivce> if longhorn continues in the MS tradition it will be very well bug ridden
16:55 < newmanbe> Duh.
16:55 < newmanbe> Haha:
16:55 < newmanbe> !longhorn
16:56 < truong> e the tooth fairy visited Redmond and removed all the bugs from all them computers
16:56 < newmanbe> Melian	are you using Windows?
16:56 < truong> right
16:56 < newmanbe> That is what Melian said before.
16:56 < truong> Dr Knuth where art thou?
16:57 < xivce> truong : on that day we've all grown beards we stumble over all the time
16:57 < truong> can't we just be friends and program in MIXAL?
16:57  * truong hunkers down
16:57 < Erik____> hi xivce 
16:57 < xivce> Erik!
16:58 < Erik____> we love Fink.. good work
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17:00 < Erik____> :p it would be nice to see a ncftp for tiger :p
17:00 < xivce> it would be nice to have mol on tiger
17:01 < msachs> Erik____: According to my records, ncftp works on Tiger now.
17:01 < xivce> it would be nice to have mol working on existing partitions, too
17:02 < Erik____> msachs: is it already in the fink package database? for 10.4
17:02 < msachs> In unstable, yes.
17:02 < Erik____> aha i use stable
17:02 < Erik____> xivce: mol?
17:02 < msachs> Might want to grab that one from un-
17:03 < Erik____> mac on linux...:p
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17:03 < msachs> Or maybe it should be moved over to stable for 10.4-transitional, if the existing stable one doesn't work at all in that tree.
17:03 < Erik____> why use that on osx
17:03 < xivce> erik : say i'm a busy sysadmin
17:03 < xivce> and i have an x server, linux or whatever installed on my machine
17:03 < xivce> and i want to do some testing before i deploy
17:04 < xivce> but i don't want to leave my user environment
17:04 < newmanbe> Test it?
17:04 < Erik____> when will mol be available in fink?:p
17:04 < newmanbe> Bah. ;)
17:04 < newmanbe> When some-one adds it.
17:04 < newmanbe> Assuming it works with Darwin.
17:04 < xivce> mol would allow you to boot a test system on your main machine without having to leave your user space
17:04 < xivce> erik : its being ported
17:05 < newmanbe> You could use QUEME or whatever that is called.
17:05 < Erik____> i hope so for you xivce 
17:05 < Erik____> :p
17:05 < xivce> dont know that one newman
17:06 < xivce> where does it live?
17:06 < newmanbe> I do not know.
17:06 < Erik____> queme newmanbe 
17:06 < Erik____> ?
17:06 < newmanbe> It is an emulator.
17:06 < truong> er, hello Houston, we be having a problem:
17:06 < truong> > monodevelop
17:06 < truong> Cannot find mozilla installation directory. Please set MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME to your mozilla directory
17:06 < truong> ???
17:07 < Erik____> mol is more than a emulator? a bit more native
17:07 < xivce> mol isnt an emulator
17:07 < xivce> its a virtual machine
17:07 < cirdan> yo
17:07 < xivce> i dont want emulation as its sloooowww
17:07 < cirdan> does mol still exist?
17:07 < cirdan> i mean the apple version
17:08 < cirdan> moli or whatever
17:08 < xivce> cirdan : there are some testing versions available
17:08 < xivce> last time i checked it, it didnt work on a g5 though
17:08 < xivce> http://www.inaddrany.com/mom/
17:10 < xivce> there was an other app called mol osx too
17:11 < Erik____> does moli still exist xivce ?
17:11 < cirdan> this is an old thing from apple
17:11 < cirdan> the one i was tlking about
17:11 < cirdan> mae
17:11 < cirdan> thats what it was called
17:11 < cirdan> macintosh application environment
17:11 < cirdan> for unix
17:12 < cirdan> woot!
17:12 < cirdan> Melian: woot!
17:12 < Melian> Woo-Hoo!
17:12 < cirdan> heh
17:13 < cirdan> TheSin, pogma, RangerAway i got dist-upgrade working :-D\
17:14 < xivce> cirdan : what does it run on? A/UX?
17:14 < cirdan> solaris
17:15 < cirdan> and something else
17:15 < Erik____> solaris..
17:15 < cirdan> i wanted it long ago to play with
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17:19 < TheSin> cirdan, good show
17:24 < truong> Say, anyone knows what's up with this error while launching monodevelop?
17:24 < truong> Cannot find mozilla installation directory. Please set MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME to your mozilla directory
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17:47 < gpd> still struggling with my upgrade :-(
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17:52 < gpd> make: *** No rule to make target `/sw/lib/perl5-core/5.8.1/darwin-thread-multi-2level/CORE/objXSUB.h', needed by `Zlib.o'.  Stop
17:52 < gpd> ring any bells?
17:53 < TheSin> truong, sounds like a missing env var
17:53 < TheSin> restart terminal
17:53 < TheSin> init.sh will set all the runtime vars, or shoudl
17:54 < gpd> no that didn't work... i think i have created a monster...
17:54 < gpd> that file doesn't even exist...
17:54 < TheSin> wb msachs 
17:54 < TheSin> do i have a new job yet? :D
17:54 < msachs> thanks
17:55 < msachs> Yeah, go wax my turtle.
17:55 < TheSin> Sweet
17:55 < TheSin> job of my dreams
17:55 < TheSin> hehe
17:55 < msachs> I have all this turtle wax, gotta do something with it.
17:59 < truong> drink it?
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18:14 < htodd> msachs: did you go to brandeis?
18:15 < msachs> Still do.  I graduate in December.  Might stick around for another year to pick up an MA, though.
18:15 < htodd> oic
18:15 < msachs> You know Brandeis?
18:15 < htodd> I went to a small tech school near there.
18:15 < msachs> WPI?
18:16 < htodd> oh, you guys are further west than I realized
18:16 < msachs> Yeah, it's in Waltham, just past Watertown.
18:21 < htodd> watertown never seemed that far, but wow, Framingham sure is closer in than I thought.
18:22 < msachs> It's not too bad, unless you're trying to get there from Waltham on public transit.
18:22 < htodd> I was closer to downtown at that "MIT" place.
18:22 < htodd> with an EE degree, I'm now making almost as much as my friend who delivers mail!
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18:23 < msachs> Yeah, I was just perusing your website.
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18:23  * htodd is not exactly the king of career choices. :)
18:23 < htodd> s/career/wise career/
18:23 < msachs> At least you don't get bitten by dogs.
18:23 < htodd> heh
18:24 < htodd> very true, and right now our office is across from a teen modeling agency
18:24 < msachs> How convenient.
18:26 < pogma> what kind of teen modeling?
18:26 < pogma> morning :)
18:26 < msachs> 'lo pogma
18:30 < htodd> I think it's the "get money from the people trying to be models" kind of place.
18:31 < htodd> www.modemodels.com
18:31 < htodd> we get to see girlies in bikinis when we're lucky
18:40 < gpd> !osxgnu
18:40 < newmanbe> Old!
18:41 < newmanbe> I think they might be dead.
18:42 < gpd> installed darwinports on another machine... followed instructions... failed to build first thing I tried (vile)... useless...
18:42 < newmanbe> !darwinports
18:42 < Melian> Fink Is Not Darwinports!
18:43 < newmanbe> forget darwinports
18:43 < newmanbe> Melian: Fink is not DarwinPorts!
18:43 < Melian> ...but fink is already something else...
18:43 < newmanbe> oops
18:43 < gpd> into hour 26 of upgrade to unstable... and stuck.
18:43 < gpd> contemplating rm -rf /sw and reinstall...
18:44 < newmanbe> What?
18:44 < newmanbe> That should't be...
18:45 < gpd> can't dont'
18:45 < gpd> (sorry)
18:45 < gpd> don't know what else to do... 
18:45 < newmanbe> What is it telling you right now?
18:45 < newmanbe> !paste
18:45 < Melian> extra, extra, read all about it, paste is a bot that lets you post large chunks of text without flooding the channel. Use it at http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink
18:45 < gpd> update-all keeps breaking... will paste now...
18:46 < lisppaste> gpd pasted "mess" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/8640
18:48 < newmanbe> What command to you run to get that?
18:48 < gpd> sudo fink update-all
18:48 < newmanbe> Try building the package by itself.
18:49 < RangerAway> gpd: do you have perl560-core installed?  if so, try removing it, I've heard that was an issue
18:49 < gpd> yes i have 560... i will remove...
18:52 < gpd> you. little. beauty.
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20:25 < gpd> !pkgsrc
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20:56 < newmanbe> gpd: The source for packages is downloaded (by default) to /sw/src/.
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21:38 < gpd> no I was seeing if there was a reaction to pkgsrc... 
21:38 < gpd> similar to...
21:38 < gpd> !gentoo
21:38 < Melian> somebody said gentoo was for Ricers: http://funroll-loops.org/
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21:47 < newmanbe> Oh, that's for OpenBSD or something.
21:48 < newmanbe> One of the BSD things anyway.
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22:00 < Knghtbrd> I still say that Linux people could seriously outdo Apple if they tried.  They're not trying though--they're trying to match windows feature-for-feature.
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22:07 < Knghtbrd> of course, I still can't find a Linux I would actually want to use.
22:11  * newmanbe uses Debian GNU+Linux.
22:12 < newmanbe> The "biggest" variance between all the distributions is the packaging system.
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22:14 < gpd> Have you tried Ubuntu Hoary?
22:15 < gpd> it is debian with bells on...
22:17 < gpd> HMFC - I think I've done it!
22:17 < gpd> fink update-all says...
22:17 < gpd> No packages to install.
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22:18 < gpd> happy happy joy joy... :-)
22:21 < gpd> How about this as a crazy friday night troll fodder...
22:21 < gpd> I have 250Gig hard drive... 
22:21 < gpd> Why not package ALL packages as binary form to solve the depedency issue
22:22 < gpd> if you have everything - you must have what you need...
22:25  * gpd goes away to cut his throat for the shame of it...
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23:49 < Knghtbrd> gpd: Ubuntu is Debian Gnome/Linux.  =p
23:49 < Knghtbrd> It's almost GnomeOS
23:49 < Knghtbrd> if it's not Gnome, and not necessary to run it, why would you want it?
23:50  * Knghtbrd doesn't want something to compete with Windows feature-for-feature.
23:50 < Knghtbrd> I'm more interested in seeing XFCE improve the right ways
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