--- Log opened Sat May 28 00:00:39 2005
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00:12 < taylor> hey peeps
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00:13 < Lobotomy> can anyone help me with installing libgdiplus on 10.4?
00:14 < Lobotomy> anybody here?
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00:16 < Knghtbrd> I think I am going to create CookieCutterLinux
00:17 < Knghtbrd> You know, a revolutionary new Linux distribution that is designed for the desktop with KDE and Gnome and OpenOffice.org and a nifty GUI apt clone to install packages
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00:22 < runelind> heh
00:23 < runelind> I think some people have beaten you to the punch ;)
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01:22 < Lobotomy> anyone have trouble with libgdiplus installation?
01:30 < Lobotomy> hello?
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02:46 < Knghtbrd> I don't suppose anyone here uses R?
02:46 < Knghtbrd> I really really REALLY need to figure out how to do something very basic that seems not to be documented without BAFB.
02:46 < Knghtbrd> Time-critical (as in, I need to know how to do it NOW!)
02:48 < Knghtbrd> I have data frame, I need frame$x when frame$y equals z.
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03:06 < cirdan> hey all
03:06 < cirdan> 3am and i'm going to bed :-)
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04:30 < madvillain> anyone built nessus on 10.4?
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05:12 < dkg> hi
05:13 < dkg> where to get a gcc for fink?
05:13 < dkg> ERROR: There is no C compiler on your system. Make sure that the Developer Tools are installed.
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05:24 < vasi> dkg, the XCode tools should be on your Panther CDs or your Tiger DVD
05:24 < vasi> just install those
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08:21 < ericb2> hi
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10:28 < macubergeek> has anyone had any experience installing Nessus under Tiger & Fink lately?
10:28 < macubergeek> Successfull?
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11:42 < baba> hm
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13:24 < pogma> darn, reading my email to the gnucash problem guy on -users, I sound condescending
13:24 < pogma> did't want to sound like that :(
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13:28 < newmanbe> !comfort pogma
13:28 < Melian> There, there, pogma.  It's OK.  I'm here for you.
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15:11 < newmanbe> !lart silly people thinking FinkCommander is an official part of Fink
15:11  * Melian shoots silly people thinking FinkCommander is an official part of Fink in his sleep
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16:22 < cirdan> hmmm
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16:23 < newmanbe> !lart abnormally slow Internet connections
16:23  * Melian whips out a shotgun, trudges over to abnormally slow Internet connections, and goes postal
16:23 < cirdan> heh
16:23  * cirdan yawns
16:23 < cirdan> just woke up
16:23 < cirdan> nice 13-14 hr slee
16:23 < cirdan> p
16:24 < cirdan> after a week of working 7-3, 8-3
16:24  * newmanbe wasn't sure if he was still connected irc.freenode.net or if everyone was dead.
16:24 < cirdan> 25 hrd overtime though :-)
16:24 < cirdan> ωνω #fink,#opendarwin newmanbe [~xchat-ssl@55155cfef9aeb33b.session.tor] has 
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16:24 < newmanbe> That was happening a lot.
16:25  * cirdan looks for food anad stuff
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16:56 < Bart_> howdy
16:57 < Bart_> is it better to use in the terminal app -> preferences -> this command start /bin/bash
16:58 < Bart_> or default login
16:58 < Bart_> ./usr/bin/login
16:58 < Bart_> i use /bin/bash
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17:12 < cirdan> i use deefault shel
17:12 < cirdan> l
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17:38 < cirdan> hey
17:39 < cirdan> how do we mark a process as needing to be run as root?
17:40 < newmanbe> Not right answer: Check to make sure the user is root and complain if it isn't.
17:40 < cirdan> no
17:40 < cirdan> your right you are wrong -)
17:40 < cirdan> :-)
17:41 < newmanbe> !lart bad grammar
17:41  * Melian does a little 'renice 20 -u bad grammar'
17:42 < cirdan> !ga newmanbe 
17:42 < Melian> newmanbe sucks...  :-p
17:42 < newmanbe> !ga cirdan
17:42 < Melian> newmanbe sucks...  :-p
17:42 < cirdan> mwahahaha....
17:42 < newmanbe> Oh yeah, it doesn't really matter what you say.
17:42 < cirdan> yeah :-)
17:43 < cirdan> !botsnack
17:43 < Melian> aw, gee, cirdan
17:43  * newmanbe has had part of an "application" designed just for him!
17:43 < newmanbe> What joy!
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17:59 < cirdan> hmm
18:14 < cirdan> odd
18:14 < cirdan> pogma: ?
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18:28 < cirdan> hey vasi
18:29 < vasi> hi cirdan
18:29 < vasi> were you the one who had heard of the "disappearing xterm" problem?
18:29 < cirdan> no
18:29 < cirdan> i saw someone talking abou tit though
18:29 < cirdan> u have that prob too?
18:30 < vasi> yeah, i've figured parts of it out
18:30 < vasi> it has to do with /usr/X11R6/bin/luit being unable to take ownership of a ttyp*
18:30 < cirdan> oh
18:31 < vasi> which only happens when LANG is set to certain values
18:31 < vasi> and when there's a weird ownership of a ttyp
18:31 < vasi> i still don't know what causes the weird ownership to happen, my knowledge of tty's isn't much
18:31 < cirdan> huh
18:32 < cirdan> very weird
18:33 < vasi> yep
18:33 < cirdan> you did the buildlock stuff, right vasi?
18:33 < vasi> no, that's dmacks
18:33 < cirdan> damn
18:33 < vasi> but you can still ask me about it
18:34 < cirdan> well, i patched into phase_unpack, as reccomended
18:34 < vasi> for what?
18:34 < cirdan> that's whee i check to see if the dists line is approp. for the current system
18:34 < cirdan> before building
18:35 < cirdan> the problem is, i exit with a msg if the value is wrong, ie. i stop the user from building anything new until they do a dist-upgrade
18:35 < vasi> oh ok, for your dist-upgrade thing
18:36 < cirdan> but phase_unpack occours *after* a buildlock is installed
18:36 < cirdan> so the user is left with a stale lock
18:36 < cirdan> :-/
18:36 < vasi> well call the clear_buildlock after you cancel?
18:37 < cirdan> do u know the build engine enough to move the check to when deps are calculated?
18:37 < cirdan> if not i'll call clear_buildlock...
18:38 < cirdan> also, i want to check the mtime of somehting, to see when the last selfupdate was done
18:38 < vasi> ah you can patch the dep engine too....there's a variable that i used for scanpackages to determine whether a package has been built
18:38 < vasi> mtime  is   (stat($file))[9]
18:38 < cirdan> [9]?
18:39 < cirdan> ah
18:39 < cirdan> nm
18:39 < cirdan> any idea what th best $file would be?
18:39 < cirdan> i figure 30mins is a good check
18:39 < vasi> er, what are you checking for?
18:39 < vasi> ie: why?
18:39 < cirdan> want to prompt the user if >30 mins, if yes, fork and do a selfupdate
18:40 < cirdan> if it fails, ask the user if they wanna continue anyway
18:40 < cirdan> i can't just callthe selfupdate stuff, cause when it exits, it exits fink
18:40 < vasi> er, forking doesn't really work either
18:40 < vasi> cuz what if there's a new fink?
18:40 < cirdan> fsck...
18:40 < cirdan> right
18:41 < cirdan> well, fink rexex's itself with an exec, which takes over the current process
18:41 < vasi> the variable in real_install is $willbuild....look in Engine.pm around line 1840 or so
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18:41 < cirdan> which will be the fork'd fink (i hope)
18:41 < vasi> that will tell you if something is being built
18:41 < cirdan> hmm
18:42 < vasi> or rather, if something will be built
18:42 < cirdan> well, someone, RR maybe, suggested i patch into pkgVersion.pm
18:43 < cirdan> where the gcc check is done
18:48 < vasi> that would work too....realize that if you die during unpack, fink will automatically detect the exception and remove the buildlock
18:48 < cirdan> i don't die, i exit
18:48 < vasi> well die
18:48 < vasi> it's better than exit
18:48 < cirdan> die prints the line# and all, and thats not needed
18:49 < vasi> but exit bypasses fink's buildlock handling
18:49 < cirdan> hmm
18:50 < vasi> if you do die $msg...and $msg ends with a newline
18:50 < vasi> you don't get the "at line 1234" part
18:50 < cirdan> hmm
18:50 < vasi> perldoc -f die
18:50 < cirdan> yeah, am looking at it
18:50 < cirdan> i had it like that at one point...
18:50 < cirdan> i think i didnt use a $foo tho
18:51 < vasi> but definitely do NOT exit() in the middle of fink unless there's a very very good reason
18:51 < vasi> die is much better
18:52 < cirdan> ok, checking
18:53 < cirdan> ah-ha
18:53 < cirdan> thats why...
18:53 < cirdan>                If the last element of LIST does not end in a newline, the cur-
18:53 < cirdan>                rent script line number and input line number (if any) are also
18:53 < cirdan> i didnt end in \n before
18:53 < vasi> yeah exactly
18:54 < vasi> so why are you checking for a selfupdate 30 mins ago? that sounds weird too
18:54 < cirdan> eh, it should still be before the buildlock
18:54 < cirdan> vasi: just want the user to have the latest version when they do a dist-upgrade
18:54 < vasi> well if you want it before the buildlock, it pretty much has to be in Engine.pm
18:54 < cirdan> cause things could change
18:55 < cirdan> dist-upgrade is a major thing
18:55 < cirdan> one day it will do everything needed to move from one os+fink dist to a new os+fink dist
18:55 < cirdan> remove some packages, install others
18:55 < cirdan> right now it just changes the dists line and the dists symlink
18:56 < vasi> yeah...one option is instead of having 'fink dist-upgrade' just do 'fink selfupdate'...and at the end of selfupdate, ask if the user wants to dist-upgrade
18:56 < cirdan> vasi: selfupdate exits and i can't continue after that
18:56 < cirdan> i tried
18:56 < cirdan> esp. if the selfupdate fails
18:56 < vasi> selfupdate execs a new fink...you can continue from there
18:56 < cirdan> not if it fails
18:57 < vasi> this is true
18:57 < cirdan> wtf, my ./inject.pl isn't updatign the fink perl mods!
18:57 < vasi> uh oh, that's not good
18:57 < cirdan> i didn't touch it! :-)
18:58 < cirdan> it started 30 mins ago
18:58 < cirdan> i just cp'd the perlmods over...
18:58  * cirdan tries again
18:58 < cirdan> heh
18:58 < cirdan> hmm
18:59 < cirdan> my changes are supposed to let the fink pkg always be installed...
18:59 < cirdan> i have     unless ($self->get_fullname() eq "fink")
18:59 < cirdan>     {
18:59 < cirdan>         if (Fink::Services::checkDistribution())
19:00 < cirdan> i guess that's wrong?
19:00 < vasi> fullname includes the version
19:00 < vasi> you just want get_name
19:00 < cirdan> ok
19:00  * cirdan tries again :-)
19:01 < cirdan> coo
19:01  * cirdan ^5's vasi
19:01 < vasi> :-)
19:02 < cirdan> although cp the perlmods is so much faster than inject :-)
19:03 < cirdan> w00t!
19:03 < cirdan> Removing fink-buildlock-blt-2.4z-13 ...
19:03 < cirdan> Failed: 
19:03 < cirdan> The Fink Distribution set is not compatable with your current
19:03 < cirdan> Please run `fink selfupdate' and then `fink dist-upgrade' to
19:03 < cirdan> migrate to the latest Distribution for your OS.
19:04 < cirdan> gotta fix the msg though :-)
19:09 < cirdan> yay, almost ready to move to the 10.4 tree!
19:09 < cirdan> i miss my konsole bad
19:09 < vasi> heh
19:10 < vasi> so what happens when the user does a dist-upgrade
19:10 < vasi> (btw, note that if you're patching phase_unpack, it means the user has to download all the tarballs only to be told "haha! can't build stuff!")
19:11 < cirdan> right now, fink.conf gets set to whatever a new fink install would set it to (the dists line) and the dists symlink in /sw/fink gets put to the correct tree
19:11 < cirdan> a selfupdate only will build the fink package
19:11 < cirdan> if dist-upgrade isn't done
19:11 < cirdan> and users are told haha! can't build stuff!
19:17 < cirdan> ok, i hav a cvs conflict that i didnt do
19:18 < cirdan> whats the newest version, above or below the ====?
19:19 < vasi> oh gosh...i think below? but check to be sure
19:21 < cirdan> below
19:21 < cirdan> yup
19:21 < cirdan> thanks
19:25 < cirdan> cool
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19:27 < cirdan> ok, comitting version synced with HEAD now
19:28 < vasi> lemme look at the patch
19:28 < vasi> one sec, gotta figure out the whole branch thingy again  :-)
19:28 < cirdan> heh
19:28 < cirdan> what do u wanna do?
19:29 < newmanbe> Take over the world!
19:29 < cirdan> cvs -z9 diff -u -j HEAD -j dist-up-branch
19:29 < cirdan> unified diff HEAD -> my branch
19:30 < cirdan> cvs -z9 diff -u -j HEAD -j dist-up-branch > dist-up-branch.cvs.patch
19:30 < cirdan> :-)
19:31 < vasi> invalid option -j !?
19:31 < cirdan> hmm
19:31 < cirdan> i just -j to get head diffs when merging
19:31 < vasi> lemme try with -r
19:31 < cirdan> maybe -r
19:32 < cirdan> yeah, -r
19:33 < cirdan> crap!
19:33 < cirdan> somehow unzip got reverted
19:33 < newmanbe> !comfor cirdan
19:33 < newmanbe> !comfort cirdan
19:33 < Melian> There, there, cirdan.  It's OK.  I'm here for you.
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19:35 < cirdan> oh wait, nm
19:35 < cirdan> i was looking at the revision
19:35 < cirdan> :-)
19:35 < newmanbe> !takebackcomfort cirdan
19:35 < cirdan> couldn't figure out how that happened
19:35 < cirdan> !ga newmanbe 
19:35 < Melian> newmanbe sucks...  :-p
19:35 < newmanbe> !lart ga
19:35  * Melian keeps mailing ga free America Online CDs until he drowns
19:37 < macubergeek> has anyone installed Nessus under Tiger yet?
19:37 < newmanbe> What's ga supposed to stand for anyway?
19:37 < newmanbe> macubergeek: Not I.
19:37 < macubergeek> I was wondering if the switch to gcc 4 screwed anything up
19:37 < newmanbe> Is it not building?
19:38 < macubergeek> I tried it a week ago and it crapped out with make errors
19:38 < macubergeek> I've got to try it again
19:38 < macubergeek> I was wondering if the gcc change was tramatic
19:38 < newmanbe> Can't help you much without any errors.
19:39 < macubergeek> k
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19:44 < newmanbe> viewcvs isn't very intelligent when it displays colours for shell scripts.
19:44 < newmanbe> It highlights things that are in echos.
19:48 < vasi> is there an SVN equivalent to cvs annotate?
19:48 < vasi> hmm, i guess there is an svn annotate
19:49 < vasi> just nobody uses it in viewcvs/svn
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20:31 < vasi> wow this rocks: http://mindset.research.yahoo.com
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20:54 < pogma> morning
21:03 < cirdan> hey pogmka
21:03 < cirdan> konitiwa
21:04 < cirdan> vasi: what do u think of my work?
21:04 < vasi> cirdan, tbh haven't looked at it closely yet
21:04 < cirdan> bah :-p
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21:08 < cirdan> pogma: you busy today? :-)
21:11 < cirdan> woah, weird...
21:11 < cirdan> grotty:<standard input> (/usr/share/man/man1/cvs.1):37670:fatal error: output error
21:11 < cirdan> because i hit 'q' on a man cvs
21:12 < cirdan> hrm
21:15 < pogma> cirdan: going to the beach in a few minutes, what's up?
21:15 < cirdan> aww
21:15 < cirdan> i got a working fink in my branch
21:15 < cirdan> need peer review and testing
21:15 < cirdan> also i have more changes to make, vasi told me about $willbuild in Engine.pm
21:16 < cirdan> i'm looking at it now, but I need a way to let the fink package itself always be built
21:16 < cirdan> and there is funky stuff there
21:16 < cirdan> ~line 1860
21:16 < pogma> I think you need dmacks, RangerAway or vasi to look. Someone with more perl-fu than me anyway :)
21:16 < cirdan> :-)
21:16 < cirdan> have fun at the beach
21:17 < cirdan> gonna take my gf fishing tomorrow i think
21:17 < cirdan> then maybe to atlantic city, she wants to shop some :-)
21:18 < cirdan> !seen dmacks
21:18 < Melian> dmacks <~dmacks@dmacks.student.supporter.pdpc> was last seen on IRC in channel #fink, 2d 3h 7m 16s ago, saying: 'No idea of specifics. But it's pretty easy to have an external script set arbitrary configs and then interact with fink-with-those-configs.'.
21:18 < cirdan> !seen dmacks*
21:18 < Melian> i haven't seen 'dmacks*', cirdan
21:18 < cirdan> !seen dmacks_away
21:18 < Melian> dmacks_away <~dmacks@dmacks.student.supporter.pdpc> was last seen on IRC in channel #fink, 2d 1h 16m 53s ago, saying: 'Careful out there...lotsa pedestrians getting runned-down (ran-down? (run-downed?) lately.'.
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22:04 < jsplifer> just currious, hows gcc4 treatin' ya'll?
22:06 < jerwin> the packages I've tested work well
22:06 < newmanbe> "Ya'll" implies that we are all using gcc4.
22:06 < jsplifer> ok, I must not have a life... sheww
22:06 < jsplifer> thought I was the only here
22:07 < jerwin> but "hacking" fink to use gcc3 is a pain.
22:07 < jsplifer> or all that are using gcc4
22:07 < jerwin> a hint from the designers?
22:08 < jsplifer> so its not catastrophic? good, I got some doom sayer crying end of the world, so I figured you guys would know best gcc4/tiger/ end of the world... 
22:12 < jsplifer> guess I'll kick him, lol, ok thanks guys, and of course thanks for fink :) hopefully you find some beer on this holiday. cheers
22:15 < RangerAway> gcc4 has generally been OK
22:15 < RangerAway> our main issue with it for fink is the transition from the 3.3 abi to the 4.0 abi
22:16 < RangerAway> not inherent issues in gcc4
22:16 < RangerAway> (although there are a few)
22:16 < RangerAway> generally, it's been much smoother than gcc 3.1 -> 3.3 was
22:16 < RangerAway> anyways, gone again  ;)
22:19 < jsplifer> thank you
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23:50 < cirdan> !seen baba
23:50 < Melian> baba <~babayoshi@YahooBB220041001026.bbtec.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #fink, 12h 7m 50s ago, saying: 'hm'.
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23:52 < runelind> hey finkers
23:52 < cirdan> yo
23:52 < runelind> how's it going cirdan 
23:53 < cirdan> slow weekend here on #fink
23:53 < cirdan> good
23:53 < runelind> cause I haven't been here to liven up the party
23:53 < cirdan> got part 1 of my dist-upgrade stuff done
23:53 < cirdan> :-)
23:53 < cirdan> needs testing then it can go to HEAD
23:53 < cirdan> and hopefully get it out to users fairly quick
23:54 < runelind> I upgraded my router to OpenBSD ver 3.7
23:54 < runelind> was a pain in the ass
23:54 < cirdan> heh
23:54 < cirdan> use debian
23:54 < cirdan> apt-get dist-upgrade && done
23:54 < cirdan> :-)
23:54 < runelind> well the upgrade process wasn't hard
23:54 < runelind> I just didn't realize I had to turn on my swap partition so that the fscking process wouldn't take 10 hours
23:54 < cirdan> heh
23:55 < runelind> fscking went from > 10 hours to five minutes
23:55 < cirdan> ah
23:55 < cirdan> weird
23:56 < runelind> but works perfectly now
23:56 < cirdan> cool
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