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00:12 < cirdan> brb
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00:13 < pogma> Ah, assert() needs ___eprintf, which needs _fprintf$LDBLStub
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00:20 < cirdan> Melian: hello
00:21 < Melian> salut
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00:33 < pogma> so what are the bash rules for ; dmacks ?
00:34 < cirdan> a ; continues the command chain even if the prev command exits non-zero
00:34 < dmacks> SWAG, hope for the best, change randomly until it sorta looks like it's working.
00:34 < cirdan> hehe
00:35 < cirdan> swag?
00:35 < dmacks> Scientific Wild-Ass Guess
00:35 < cirdan> ah
00:35 < cirdan> Melian: swag?
00:35 < Melian> cirdan: I wish you would RTFM.
00:35 < cirdan> Melian: swag is Scientific Wild-Ass Guess
00:35 < Melian> cirdan: okay
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01:32 < dmacks> !seen drm
01:32 < Melian> drm <~drm@65.210.36.227> was last seen on IRC in channel #fink, 1d 4h 25m 32s ago, saying: 'are you studying japanese, feanor?'.
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03:11 < sid77> ahahah fink map is too coo^H^H^Hgeeek!
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09:40 < simmel> not that it includes anything secret or anything, but i would rename http://fink.sourceforge.net/header.inc to header.inc.php so others can't read it.
09:41 < simmel> well, that's all i had to say.
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14:49 < Murr> grr
14:49 < Murr> does SourceForge CVS have fake repositories?
14:49 < Murr> I checked in a change an hour ago, but it still doesn't show up in any checkouts
14:50 < cirdan> heh
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15:42 < cirdan> hmmm
15:42 < cirdan> slow day
15:42 < mcp> evening
15:42 < newmanbe> Afternoon.
15:42 < cirdan> 15:42
15:42 < cirdan> day
15:42 < newmanbe> 14;42
15:42 < newmanbe> Afternoon.
15:43 < cirdan> sun shining = day
15:43 < mcp> 9:43 pm :p
15:43 < newmanbe> You use a 12 hour clock?
15:43 < mcp> no, 24h
15:44 < newmanbe> You use a clock with 2 12 hour periods per day.
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15:49 < newmanbe> Melian: Do something interesting to bring me out of my boredom.
15:49 < Melian> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, newmanbe
15:49 < newmanbe> megahal: Do something interesting to bring me out of my boredom.
15:49 < megahal> newmanbe: I bring to you as bad ass as a bong or something.
15:49 < cirdan> !lart megahal 
15:49  * Melian stuffs megahal into a shiny new tin can and vacuum seals it
15:50 < newmanbe> megahal: Hurry up and un-reset yourself.
15:50 < megahal> newmanbe: Albedo: (laughing maniacally) i wanted to, at least. But i was going to get up and i had to reset it.
15:51 < cirdan> heh
15:52 < newmanbe> cmeme: Do something interesting.
15:52 < newmanbe> lisppaste: Entertain us.
16:01 < newmanbe> !lart not set-up lo interfaces
16:01  * Melian calls not set-up lo interfaces on the phone ... the lights are on but nobody's home
16:01 < newmanbe> Exactly.
16:01 < newmanbe> That could have been the most appropriate response to a lart ever.
16:02 < cirdan> hahaha
16:03 < cirdan> !botsnack
16:03 < Melian> thanks, cirdan
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16:33 < dmacks> cirdan: If you're bored, perhaps you could enable Melian's search mode?
16:34 < dmacks> !lart people who commit packages that break shlibs policy.
16:34  * Melian pours hot grits down the front of people who commit packages that break shlibs policy.'s pants
16:37 < cirdan> dmacks: if i knew how :-)
16:37 < dmacks> Melian: how?
16:37 < Melian> dmacks: I don't know, could you explain it?
16:37 < dmacks> Melian: what do I do?
16:37 < Melian> dmacks: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
16:37 < dmacks> Melian: what's the setting?
16:37 < Melian> dmacks: I wish you would RTFM.
16:38  * dmacks figured eventually the right alternative would appear:)
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16:38 < dmacks> lightlink.com?
16:38 < drm> indeed
16:38 < drm> a free wifi in an ithaca coffeehouse
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16:39 < drm> dmacks: any comment on my EOL message?
16:39 < dmacks> Makes sense to me.
16:40 < drm> i'm gonna test the latest 0.24 on 10.2 for a bit, then i'll probably go ahead and do it
16:40 < dmacks> (I realized that perl560 doesn't even have core support for tempfiles)
16:40 < drm> yeah, we need to dump 560 for sure
16:41 < dmacks> While you're up there, push it into the Cornell Gorge?
16:41 < drm> hehe
16:41 < drm> which one?
16:42 < dmacks> Whichever...just make sure it looks like an accident:)
16:42 < drm> easiest will be the one right across the street
16:42 < dmacks> Reassign it as perl-9.8m/s2
16:44 < drm> ah... a lightlink 
16:44 < dmacks> Heh.  Miga asked if we could have translated ReadMe.rtf in the installer. I told her it'd have to wait for the next one.
16:44 < dmacks> (...by whichtime maybe the build process won't be so manual-edit-intensive)
16:45 < drm> yeah
16:47 < drm> ok, so i'm finally testing the "only install if symlinks allowed" code
16:47 < drm> what i'm getting is that my usb disk has a red exclamation point
16:48 < drm> does that sound right to you?
16:48 < dmacks> Yes (assuming symlinks aren't allowed)
16:48 < drm> maybe i'll try making a symlink on it
16:48 < drm> hmmm... it made a symlink ok
16:49 < dmacks> ?!
16:49 < drm> its only 64MB... maybe the think checks the size?
16:49 < drm> s/think/thing
16:50 < dmacks> Does the installer.app log show any details?
16:50 < dmacks> Why do we say "ignore the claimed install size."?
16:51 < drm> yeah, says there isn't enough free space
16:51  * drm forgets that installer has a log file
16:51 < dmacks> Try lowering the claimed size to 10K or so, see if it greens the disk?
16:51 < drm> i think that message is obsolete
16:52 < drm> i don't know how to lower the claimed size
16:52 < dmacks> I guess we'd have to manually tally the .deb Installed-Size fields:(
16:53 < drm> anyway, assuming to travel delays, i'll make a 0.7.2 installer and have it available later this evening if you wanna check it out
16:53 < drm> assuming *no* travel delays
16:53 < dmacks> Cool!
16:53 < dmacks> Okay, I'll be around this weekend:)
16:54 < drm> (am supposed to have 2 hours in philly to change planes, but you never know)
16:54 < dmacks> Unfortunately, I think I do actually. Good luck!
16:55 < drm> well its a beautiful afternoon here, so i'm hopeful
16:55 < dmacks> (*.pkg/Contents/Resources/*.sizes if you want to play, but not worth messing with it for this imminent release)
16:56 < drm> yeah
16:57 < Murr> does anybody know what the difference between dpkg's install-info and texinfo's install-info is?
16:57 < Murr> the former chokes on perfectly well formed Texinfo files
16:57 < drm> right
16:57 < drm> which is why we disable texinfo's one
16:57 < dmacks> I remember there were some fights in the dpkg lists about texinfo.
16:58 < Murr> but you're disabling the one that does NOT choke
16:58 < dmacks> Even the install and remove modes aren't symmetric:(
16:59 < drm> Murr: this design decision was made long long ago... it could be revisited, but i for one am igonorant about the issues
17:00 < drm> presumably the dpkg suite of tools needs the dpkg version
17:00 < drm> bbl
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17:16 < Murr> grr
17:16 < Murr> the message is even sent to fink-commits, yet the commit didn't happen?
17:17 < dmacks> Wha? Try deleting the file and its entry in CVS/Entries and re-updating.
17:18 < Murr> doesn't work
17:18 < Murr> ViewCVS doesn't show the update either
17:19 < Murr> the file in question is lilypond-devel.info,1.4 in my experimental tree
17:21 < dmacks> Wot's the URL to the file in ViewCVS?
17:22 < Murr> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/fink/experimental/neeri/finkinfo/lilypond-devel.info?rev=1.3&only_with_tag=MAIN&view=log
17:23 < dmacks> I just got  lilypond-devel.info,1.4
17:23 < Murr> sigh
17:23 < Murr> what does your cvs.sourceforge.net resolve to?
17:24 < dmacks> 66.35.250.207
17:24 < Murr> argh
17:24 < Murr> same as for me
17:25 < Murr> yet I'm seeing a different view than you do
17:27 < dmacks> With anoncvs I see 1.3 so the servers definitely aren't syncing well. But with ext login I reproducibly get 1.4
17:27 < Murr> are you getting premium CVS ?
17:28 < dmacks> ?
17:29 < Murr> was a joke
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17:29 < Murr> what do you mean "ext" login?
17:29 < dmacks> (as opposed to domestic in a can?)
17:29 < Murr> an ext CVS Roo, as opposed to :pserver: ?
17:29 < dmacks> Correct. :ext:dmacks@....
17:30 < Murr> argh
17:30 < Murr> that worked
17:30 < Murr> I was using pserver like the instructions said
17:30 < dmacks> d'oh. That's anoncvs for ya.
17:31 < Murr> non-=anonymous pserver
17:32 < Murr> that must be karmic payback
17:32 < Murr> I created by first branch from a CVS branch today
17:32 < Murr> oh well, I'm checking in my Mercurial package soon and CVS will meet its demise
17:35 < dmacks> heh
17:35 < Murr> it's really amazing what mercurial does in 25k or so of code
17:38 < dmacks> At 25K, mercury is a solid, dude.
17:38 < dmacks> Oh wait, nm.
18:07 < cirdan> haha
18:07 < cirdan> poor dmacks
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18:42 < sid77> bye
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19:05  * dmacks kicks PackageMaker in the ass. "Thanks for having about a jazillion different concepts of 'version number'"
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19:08 < cirdan> ?
19:08 < dmacks> cirdan: dreamind had several logins; one went away so he renamed the alternate one back to the base form. But you already knew that.
19:09  * dmacks will act like a jackass for fun and profit.
19:09 < dreamind> hm?
19:09 < dreamind> whats about me?
19:10 < cirdan> !lart dmacks 
19:10  * Melian offers dmacks some herring
19:11 < dmacks> mmmm.....fish....
19:14 < dmacks> cirdan: Wot's the difference between IFPkgDescriptionVersion, CFBundleShortVersionString, CFBundleGetInfoString, IF{Major,Minor}Version?
19:16 < cirdan> oh
19:16 < cirdan> they should all be roughly the same
19:16 < cirdan> iirc
19:18 < lisppaste> dmacks pasted "XCode1.5 gcc3.3 Info.plist" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/8776
19:20 < zorton> Err http://us.dl.sourceforge.net 10.3/release/main Packages
19:20 < zorton>   403 Forbidden [IP: 69.9.164.2 80]
19:20 < dmacks> Well, they're all numeric if that's what you mean:)
19:20 < zorton> I feel that i've angered sf.net somehow :(
19:21 < dmacks> zorton: heh. I wouldn't rule that out actually, but also did you try FAQ5.31?
19:21 < zorton> I haven't tried that one
19:21 < cirdan> zorton: yeah, selfupdate and change mirrors
19:21 < cirdan> Melian: 403 Forbidden 
19:21 < Melian> cirdan: are you using Windows?
19:21 < cirdan> !faq
19:21 < Melian> extra, extra, read all about it, faq is at http://www.finkproject.org/faq/
19:21 < dmacks> !403
19:21 < Melian> i heard 403 is http://fink.sf.net/faq/usage-fink.php#four-oh-three
19:21 < cirdan> lol
19:22 < zorton> don't worry guys i'm going
19:22 < cirdan> should be four-oohhh-three
19:22 < cirdan> :-)
19:22 < dmacks> ha!
19:22 < dmacks> zorton: We were trying to figure out what Melian knew, not yell at you:)
19:22 < cirdan> dmacks: next web change you make, change the anchor :-p
19:22 < cirdan> c'mon, u wanna do it
19:23 < cirdan> everybody wants to do it
19:23 < cirdan> :-)
19:23 < zorton> ah...sf doesn't like squid
19:36 < dreamind> nite
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19:36 < cirdan> zzz
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20:06 < xerxes1358> Hi
20:06 < xerxes1358> is there any news on the new fink ?
20:06 < dmacks> What are you hoping to hear?
20:06 < dmacks> !bindist
20:07 < Melian> [bindist] coming. Soon. No we don't know exactly when. It will be well-announced when the time comes.
20:07 < xerxes1358> dmacks, we are almost xerxes1358 gives us (10-3)days
20:07 < xerxes1358> Melian, ok
20:07 < Melian> xerxes1358: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ?
20:08 < xerxes1358> Melian, for what ? tldp is just a huge doc database right?
20:08 < Melian> xerxes1358: okay
20:09 < xerxes1358> Melian, or did you mean somehting else? I am not sure I am getting your point here
20:09 < Melian> You are moron #1, xerxes1358
20:10 < dmacks> xerxes1358: Dunno what she's talking about:(
20:10 < xerxes1358> wow your mom did teach you some manners :)
20:11 < xerxes1358> dmacks, I thought so
20:12 < dmacks> You know Melian is a bot, right?
20:13 < xerxes1358> no i didnt
20:13 < dmacks> Ahhhhhh
20:13 < xerxes1358> :)
20:13 < xerxes1358> hmm
20:14 < xerxes1358> dmacks, you should learn Melian some manners
20:14 < xerxes1358> :D
20:15  * dmacks can't remember what triggers the "Moron #" comment.
20:15 < xerxes1358> brb
20:15 < dmacks> Probably when she senses you interacting with her as if she's an actual person.
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20:35 < msachs> 'lo
20:35 < msachs> I was taking a look at the gnome2-vfs-ssl thing.  It looks like it needs the gimp2 ltmain.sh patch applied to it.
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20:36 < cirdan> hey msachs 
20:37 < msachs> 'lo cirdan
20:37 < Feanor> it's actually the vte ltmain.sh patch
20:37 < cirdan> Feanor.
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20:42 < miga> Hi everybody.
20:42 < Feanor> gimp2 will start building again momentarily because i am going to disable printing
20:42 < msachs> 'lo miga
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20:43 < miga> night msachs (2:42 am here)
20:43 < dmacks> It's bad when a perl program causes perl to segfault and that triggers a kernel panic, right?
20:43 < msachs> Hey dmacks, we were just talking about gnome2-vfs-ssl.  Has anyone tried the standard ltmain.sh patch on it?  It looks applicable.
20:43 < msachs> Yeah, probably.
20:43 < cirdan> !wb dmacks 
20:43 < Melian> Welcome back dmacks, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos.
20:43 < cirdan> dmacks: ouch
20:44 < dmacks> msachs: This is the /usr/lib/libssl.dylib symbol mess? *I* haven't tried it. Ask Ranger
20:44 < miga> What am I supposed to do to test the installers.
20:44 < msachs> dmacks: That's the one.  Was poking through the fink-gnome mailing list and saw your name on that thread, thought you might have an opinion :)
20:45 < msachs> RangerRick: Thoughts?
20:45 < dmacks> I know that until a few days ago, there was a dependency problem. It caused some packages to compile with a mixture of Apple and Fink libssl files.
20:46 < msachs> Mm.
20:47 < dmacks> Would be great to compile "something small" that could cause the error and have a snapshot of all .deb that were installed when it was compiled and (failed to) run.
20:48 < msachs> If we had such a something small, I could easily add that to my build routine.
20:48 < dmacks> Without clear test case, we're all kinda shooting in the dark:(
20:48 < dmacks> (or at least I am:)
20:50 < msachs> I guess the test case would involve a dylib with the same name as a system library, installed into /sw/lib, with different symbols than the system one.
20:51 < dmacks> The real question is why /usr/lib's is being accessed. Is something accidentally linked to it? Or is a dlopen() getting it?
20:51 < msachs> So you have a /usr/lib/libfoo.dylib with symbol foo and /sw/lib/libfoo.dylib with no symbol foo, and you build program bar which links against -lfoo
20:52 < msachs> I think that's DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH, we saw this error a lot when things had a libtool which was setting that envvar.
20:52 < cirdan> hey msachs might wanna get in on the convo on #opendarwin
20:52 < cirdan> talking about gcc 3.4 and 4.0 long double support :-)
20:53 < msachs> heh, I'm going home soon :)
20:53 < cirdan> :-)
20:54 < dmacks> I wonder if removing one's /usr/lib/libssl at runtime solves this problem?
20:54 < cirdan> 8:50 and i'm going back to work
20:54 < cirdan> dmacks: heh
20:54 < msachs> *waves* Enjoy, cirdan
20:55 < cirdan> yeah
20:55 < cirdan> OT baby
20:55 < cirdan> i'm an ot whore
20:55 < cirdan> got 24.5 hrs in 4 days last week
20:55 < msachs> Yeah, I thought you meant 8:50AM and were in one of /those/ timezones, but then I did /whois and saw New Jersey ;)
20:55 < cirdan> hehe
20:55  * cirdan looks at /those/ people
20:55 < dmacks> cirdan: No, I'm serious. If that causes a "file not found" error, then something's linked to it; if it fixes the problem then it's a dlopen() (or maybe DYLD_*) problem.
20:55 < cirdan> dmacks: yeah, but i was just imagining the user doing that :-)
20:55 < dmacks> Aw screw the users. This is just a devel debugging approach.
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20:58 < dmacks> Cool...bug in Data::Dumper
20:58 < cirdan> whee
20:58  * cirdan leaves for work
20:59 < cirdan> bbiab
20:59 < cirdan> :-)
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21:46 < dmacks> cirdan: Looks like we need Melian to fire off "Fink is not Debian is not Fink" on a regular basis to the mailing lists.
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21:48 < Darien> got a quick question, can't find anything conclusive on google
21:48 < Darien> powerbook locked up during a build of a package, while it was making the .deb
21:49 < Darien> after rebooting and trying the install again, I get 'Failed: can't find package giflib-shlibs_4.1.0-8_darwin-powerpc.deb'
21:49 < dmacks> Was that the pkg that was being processed when you crashed?
21:49 < Darien> yeap
21:50 < dmacks> 'fink build giflib-shlibs'
21:50 < Darien> excellent
21:50 < Darien> thanks
21:50 < dmacks> You're welcome.
21:50 < dmacks> (Good timing...a couple of devels have been arguing about how fink should handle this situation:)
21:51 < Darien> hehe nice
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22:06 < dmacks> (may have to "rebuild" instead of "build"...can't remember)
22:07 < Darien> naw, it's working now
22:08 < Darien> I think it's safe to assume that if a package needs to be built, and the package is marked as built, but does not exist, it should be rebuilt
22:09 < dmacks> Someone had a script that relied on it crashing. Go figure.
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23:45 < cirdan> yo
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