--- Log opened Wed Jun 08 00:00:51 2005
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00:10 < cirdan> dmacks: no, i mean if the package fails, the autobuild code doesn't bother to try to build anything that depends on it
00:11 < dmacks> Right. I'm saying anything that reduces one's desire to fix broken packages or kill their maintainers for not doing so is a flawed philosophy:)
00:11 < dmacks> Well, unless maintainer==dmacks obviously.
00:12 < cirdan> dmacks: no, it's a timesaver for the buildfarm, so working packages get built and the maintainer gets bugged his package fails
00:13 < bbraun> I'd like to be bugged.
00:13 < bbraun> I function soley on interrupts.
00:14 < dmacks> SIGBBRAUN
00:14 < cirdan> hehe
00:14 < bbraun> totally
00:14 < cirdan> SIGSUPPER
00:16 < dmacks> Hrm, might be cleaner to have the engine flag packages in the runtime PDB, then when deciding "are my deps satisfied and I can be built now?" have a third choice "my unbuilt deps are unbuildable, so I am now unbuildable; continue"
00:16 < dmacks> "...with next pkg"
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00:17 < dmacks> Then one could pass a cmdline --skip-breakage or --skip[some-pkgname-or-regex] and fit right into the same mechanism
00:17 < cirdan> right
00:18 < cirdan> and fink could auto store buildlogs in a config'd dir...
00:18 < cirdan> then bz2 them
00:18 < dmacks> That's entirely orthogonal to this.
00:18 < cirdan> and do a nice report at the end..
00:18 < cirdan> i was just brainstorming
00:18 < cirdan> well, more like a light shower
00:19 < cirdan> :-)
00:19 < dmacks> Make it a ConfFiles of the buildlock pkg.
00:19 < Armen> hey guys, i am running 10.4.1 and i tried installing fink-0.23.10 several times today and it continues to fail to create a bin folder, the compilations fail at some point when i bootstrap, are there any known issues on this? this is using gcc 4 per fink's instructions
00:19 < cirdan> no, we want somehting for the website
00:19 < cirdan> package page
00:19 < dmacks> That way it's easy to have fink control "do we keep the log?" by using purge vs remove for unlocking.
00:19 < cirdan> like bbuild.debian.org
00:19 < cirdan> dmacks: i mean it's more for bindist builders, not so much for users
00:19 < cirdan> but they can turn it on if they want for a single build run or something
00:19 < dmacks> Talk to clef. He's got a workingish mechanism to auto-upload .deb contents, may as well do buildlogs as well.
00:20 < dmacks> Armen: That's a pretty non-specific error message. How about what *exactly* does it say? Feel free to lisppaste.
00:25 < Armen> im not sure what lisppaste is but i can paste the error it gave here
00:26 < dmacks> !lisppaste
00:26 < Melian> [lisppaste] a bot that lets you post large chunks of text without flooding the channel. Use it at http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink
00:26 < Armen> i see
00:28 < Armen> oops, i had closed the window, i will redo the bootstrap to get the error again then lisppaste in a few minutes
00:28 < Armen> thanks
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00:30 < dmacks> Holy crap...PDB is working again!
00:30 < cirdan> heh
00:32  * dmacks cut the commit into smaller chunks with more frequent msgs echoed to the user...means we can tolerate ~3x more slowdown before the server gives up altogether.
00:42 < Armen> oh i wonder if i should have piped all the output from this bootstrap into a file :/ dunno if it all of it would have been relevant but oh well
00:46 < Armen> dmacks: tells me the paste is too large for lisppaste so ill just do the last bit then
00:46 < lisppaste> Armen pasted "bootstrap output ending in error" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/8899
00:47 < Armen> dmacks: ok there it is, let me know if there's anything i can do to get it working. also im not sure if it makes any difference but ive got Xcode 2.1 and its associated dev tools on here
00:47 < dmacks> dpkg is known to not compile with xcode2.1
00:48 < Armen> ack, so what do i do? i dont think i can remove it easily, should i just wait? about how long you think?
00:51 < mdmonk> sleep time. later all.
00:51 < dmacks> We (think we:) know the patch that needs to be applied, but we haven't tested and added it to the fink pkg yet. May take a day or so.
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00:51 < Armen> ah i see
00:52 < Armen> well thats fine then, i guess its no emergency, will a notice be posted on the homepage or how should i find out when its ready?
00:52 < dmacks> It's also possible that is just the tip 'o the iceberg of stuff that xdcode-2.1 does "differently"
00:53 < dmacks> There's actually a Tiger binary installer available now if you want to use it.
00:53 < dmacks> This dpkg bug is: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1216772&group_id=17203&atid=317203
00:53 < Armen> i saw that in the topic but i didnt see it on the web page. if that will work fine on this system with 10.4.1 and xcode 2.1 yeah i dont care ill use it
00:53 < Armen> where can i get the 0.8 installer?
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00:54 < msachs> 'lo
00:54 < pogma> msachs: cctools-590 has no corresponding source tarball on the opensource site!
00:54 < dmacks> I think it's http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/fink/Fink-0.8.0-Installer.dmg?download
00:55 < dmacks> (that's for Armen, not msachs/pogma:)
00:55 < msachs> Hm, I'll mention that to the appropriate authorities tomorrow.
00:55 < pogma> msachs: but that is not your problem, or my question. Is NEXT_ROOT not working anymore?
00:55 < dmacks> At worst, some things won't compile for you. But the basic fink will work, and there's a semi-populated repository of precompiled binaries that will also work fine.
00:55 < msachs> pogma: I'm not sure off the top of my head, but if you tell me it doesn't work with 4.0, I believe you.
00:55 < pogma> Is more convenient that -Wl,-syslibroot,/Developer....
00:56 < msachs> pogma: I think what you want is, IIRC, -isyslibroot
00:56 < Armen> dmacks: thanks, im just going to be using it to build mozilla and its related projects, thats all
00:56 < pogma> msachs: I know, but NEXT_ROOT was easy :-)
00:56 < msachs> pogma: I remember seeing people talking about NEXT_ROOT, if we decided not to make it work for 4.0, that was intentional.
00:56 < pogma> you at wwdc?
00:56 < msachs> I could track down those radars if you'd like.
00:56 < Armen> me? yes i am
00:57 < msachs> pogma: I'm home now, but yeah, I'm there all week.
00:58 < pogma> sigh, breaking NEXT_ROOT on purpose, just because nobody documented it :)
00:58 < dmacks> heh
01:00 < msachs> Yeah, we suck like that.
01:00 < Armen> thanks again dmacks im gonna try the binary now ill let you know how it goes
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01:01 < dmacks> So things that weren't even warnings in XCode-1.5 compilers are now fatal errors in 2.1? Nice:(
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01:02 < msachs> Based on my 2005-05-25 build, which was not with the final 2.1, 132 projects changed state from failing to succeeding or vice versa between 2.0 and 2.1-pre, not counting ones which didn't build due to dependency failure.
01:04 < msachs> When I have results from 2.1-final, I'll post the comparison.
01:04  * dmacks wil be interested to see how the new gnome stuff does on tiger (with 2.0 even)
01:04 < msachs> I would've had them by now if it weren't for some buildfink infrastructure issues, plus my current builds are doing verification which slows them down.
01:05 < dmacks> We're allowed to break 10.2 compatibility in HEAD now, so I'll look at doing consolidated .deb extraction.
01:07 < dmacks> (would've sucked with perl5.6)
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01:45 < miga> Hello everybody.
01:45 < theid> sup
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04:25 < hramrach> hello
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04:41 < dh1pa> Hi everyone! Just need a hint about which X11 implementation to choose.
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05:24 < hramrach> dh1pa: xorg. It is the newest 
05:25 < hramrach> It breaks a few things, though
05:26  * hramrach wonders how is xkb turned off in xorg.
05:26 < hramrach> I'd like to change the default for my package
05:32 < dh1pa> hramrach: just have messed up my system so cleaned every X stuff (like in the FAQ) and am trying to start from a plain-xfree-less system
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06:21 < dh1pa> hramrach: wow, nedded some time, but got it working so far. How do I use glx via ssh tunnel? glxinfo works when executed local but not remotely on another PC
06:24 < hramrach> you probably don't. It works on GNU/Linux to some extent but if glxinfo fails then it is probably broken on OS X.
06:24 < dh1pa> Oh, thus I cannot forward opengl-applications :( sad.
06:26 < hramrach> For me glxinfo works and I can run glxgears but I do not see anything
06:33 < hramrach> hmm, it does not the other way around either. Failed to bind to surface.
06:34 < dh1pa> the other way around works here (glxgears and glxinfo on powerbook, Display NVidia, xorg on amd64)
06:34 < dh1pa> and is really fast *g*
06:35 < dh1pa> 1000 frames in fullscreen mode, more than locally on the PB :(
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07:18 < chris01> What would be the best way to warn users about potential problems if they upgrade a package?
07:19 < chris01> (upgrading to subversion 1.2 will including upgrading to db43, which could mean to dump/load the repository)
07:19 < chris01> A PreInstScript?
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07:37 < cirdan> chris01: that would work
07:38 < cirdan> chris01: take a look at using debconf
07:38 < chris01> cirdan: ok,  thanks.
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07:38 < cirdan> you can even have debconf convert the db (maybe?) if the user chooses to
07:38 < cirdan> just...build the stable version or the one in my exp
07:39 < cirdan> unstable has been borked
07:39 < cirdan> must fix
07:39 < chris01> the problem is: i don't know where people might have their dbs.
07:39 < cirdan> ok
07:39 < cirdan> then let them know, and where to look to get directions on upgrading the db
07:40 < cirdan> you can have it only do it if upgrading from certain versions and all
07:40 < cirdan> look at my debbugs package in exp for some hints
07:41 < cirdan> it's a little weird at first, using debconf
07:41 < cirdan> but not too bad
07:41 < cirdan> bbiab
07:42 < chris01> ok, thanks. will look at it.
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08:03 < akh> XCode2.1 breaks bootstrap?  
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08:31  * akh is getting tired of stopping my gigantic "update-all" after every package gets built to grab newly committed updates to stuff that's in the queue.  :-\
08:32 < drm> ah, the price of progress!
08:32 < akh> Yeah--I figure I might save myself at least half a day by doing it that way.
08:33 < akh> Growl notification comes in handy here.
08:34 < drm> i found an interesting bug yesterday: a case where the upstream folks have hardcode /sw/include into their ./configure script, which of course doesn't work if you are installing to a non-/sw location
08:34 < akh> That's bizarre for an upstream site to do.  I could see hardcoded /usr/local, maybe.
08:35 < pogma> drm: lots of people have hardcoded /sw into configure checks
08:35 < drm> there is a note in the code about OS X having trouble finding the file, and so on
08:35 < pogma> drm: people don't read their autoconf docs
08:35 < drm> its apparently believed in some quarters that /sw is standard on OS X :)
08:35 < akh> It isn't?  ;-)
08:36 < drm> pogma: i think maybe we should move the pdb to sancho, what do you think?
08:36 < drm> its broekn again today...
08:36 < pogma> drm: I am not convinced that sancho will be better
08:36 < drm> ok... is there a solution?
08:36 < pogma> drm: it is getting a lot of traffic, and now with webkit too
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08:37 < pogma> drm: Let's ask Rob and see what he says
08:37 < pogma> drm: maybe sancho is fine
08:37 < drm> but presumably it won't cut off our cron jobs in midstream and leave us with an incomplete database
08:38 < akh> That'd be an improvement, all right.
08:38 < drm> which is the problem with sf at the moment...
08:39 < pogma> drm: can you talk to someone at duke about putting a machine outside the firewall? I'll kick in a couple of hundred  dollars toward purchase of said machine...
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08:40 < pogma> drm: or get a machine to sit next to/above/under sancho...
08:40 < drm> why outside the firewall?
08:40 < pogma> drm: needs a http server on it, doesn't it?
08:41 < drm> sure... so i have to get them to let :80 in for that box
08:41 < pogma> okay, that would work for me too
08:41 < pogma> maybe an rsync port too and it could be a mirror :)
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08:42 < akh> heh
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08:43 < drm> whose gonna by sysadm though?
08:43 < drm> be
08:43 < pogma> if it is your side of the firewall there is only one choice :)
08:43 < akh> heh
08:43  * drm gives pogma an account
08:44  * drm gives all of fink-core accounts... and akh too!
08:44  * akh will make sure not to rm anything, ever.
08:44 < drm> the thing about both sourceforge and opendarwin is that we don't have to provide infrastructure
08:45 < drm> its there
08:45 < pogma> drm: yes, I know
08:45 < drm> if we do our own, we've got to run apache and mysql and whatever else, and be on top of network attacks and the latest security issues and whatever
08:46 < Toroloc> I have fink 0.24.7 on OSX10.3.9 with Apple X11 1.0 -XFree86 4.3.0, And want to install libapache2-ssl-mod-svn, what option do i select when asked for X11?
08:46 < drm> !x11
08:46 < Melian> hmm... x11 is at http://www.finkproject.org/doc/x11/
08:46 < pogma> Toroloc: install the x11 sdk from the xcode cd/dvd
08:46 < akh> !x11sdk
08:46 < Melian> x11sdk is probably http://fink.sourceforge.net/faq/usage-packages.php#apple-x11-wants-xfree86
08:47 < Toroloc> cool, tks.
08:47 < pogma> drm: Yeah, I know that there are issues with providing out own infrastructure, but imo it beats being beholden to sf and/or opendarwin
08:47 < pogma> not that I feel beholden to bbraun 
08:48 < drm> i'm not voluntering to be a sysadm for the box you proposed... and i don't think you are volunteering either
08:48 < drm> which leaves us with a problem...
08:48 < pogma> drm: I put it out there as somehting to think about. I would help sysadmin such a box
08:49 < pogma> Hmm, /me wonders how much work that would be, puts it on list of things to ask bbraun :)
08:49 < drm> what's your bandwidth like?
08:49 < drm> could host it from your house, perhaps...
08:49 < pogma> drm: not good here -> internet internet -> here is okay
08:50 < drm> pogma: another option is to be prepared to purchase finkster.opendarwin.org to be hosted at ISC next to sancho... and hopfully run by the OD team
08:50 < pogma> could go fibre to the home
08:50 < drm> "be prepared" for when sancho gets overloaded
08:50 < pogma> drm: I don't know that the ISC would host us
08:50 < drm> as part of opendarwin? why not?
08:50 < pogma> as part of opendarwin, maybe
08:51 < drm> note the name i chose for the box :)
08:51 < pogma> okay, so we have decided to ask bbraun lots of stuff :)
08:52 < drm> yup
08:52 < drm> wake up, bbraun... its 6 am, roosters must be crowing
08:52 < pogma> he'll probably be online in an hour or so
08:52  * akh thinks we need a todo list site.
08:53 < akh> e.g. for when people here say "Let's do this!" and then don't jot it down.
08:54 < drm> there are a few to-do lists scattered around CVS
08:55 < akh> Yeah, but that involves using CVS.  We know how reliable that is.
08:55 < akh> And besides, stuff like "bug bbraun" really doesn't belong there.  ;-)
08:56 < pogma> drm: what happened to the release announcements etc?
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08:57 < drm> dmalloc says we should announce on a monday or a thursday, so we will announce tomorrow
08:58 < akh> Why M or R ?
08:58 < drm> beats me
08:58 < pogma> he read some marketting thing or something
08:58 < akh> Ah.
08:59 < pogma> more people look at news sites on monday/tuesday thursday/friday
08:59 < pogma> than sat/sun, I can see, don't really know about wed
09:00 < drm> dang, can't even connect to http://sourceforge.net at the moment
09:01 < drm> a million users... a hundred thousand projects... and no service :)
09:01 < drm> ah there it is
09:02 < akh> Maybe everybody needs to kick in $1.
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09:06 < drm> all million of the registered users?
09:06 < pogma> probably won't help :)
09:08 < akh> Maybe not.
09:08 < drm> no, but it would make a nice golden parachute for our friends there
09:08 < pogma> so new version of gcc-4.0 with xcode-2.1, and no major problems on the list yet, seems suspicious :)
09:08 < drm> what do you mean no major problems? you call breaking fink bootstrap a minor problem?
09:08 < akh> Especially since nobody knows about the bindist.
09:08 < pogma> heh, must've missed that one :)
09:09 < drm> dpkg does not compile with the new gcc 4
09:09 < pogma> didn't compile with the old one either
09:10 < pogma> needed 3.3
09:10 < pogma> didn't it?
09:10  * pogma recalls patching it and having the patch overwritten because I only patched bootstrap
09:11 < drm> i dunno... dmacks said something about a patch being on the tracker
09:11 < drm> all i can tell you is, dpkg-bootstrap doesn't run under xcode-2.1 but it ran under xcode-2.0
09:12 < drm> doesn't build, i mean
09:14 < pogma> I'd bet it is the same issue, warnings have become errors in some fink added code
09:14  * pogma is waiting for sf.net to respond to http requests to confirm that :)
09:15 < akh> Yeah--his message said the problem was due to "increased typing restrictions"
09:15  * akh reads fink-tracker on gmane to save sf bandwidth for pogma.
09:16 < pogma> ah, okay, not the same thing
09:16  * pogma bows in abject apology to drm
09:17 < akh> Oh
09:18 < pogma> actual problem with upstream dpkg, not the code that we addded that is fink/darwin specific
09:18 < akh> !lart upstream problems.
09:18  * Melian grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats upstream problems. until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with
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09:21 < drm> Melian: good stuff
09:21 < Melian> drm: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
09:22 < drm> ok, just did EOL for 10.2 support
09:22  * pogma waves farewell to 10.2 support
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09:24 < RangerRick> yay!
09:25 < akh> So no KDE-3.4.1 for 10.2, eh?
09:25 < akh> ;-)
09:25 < RangerRick> hah
09:25 < RangerRick> 10.2 can suck it!
09:25 < akh> And just think, in 3 years we can EOL PPC support.
09:25 < pogma> haha
09:26 < akh> OK, _that_ probably won't happen.
09:26 < pogma> not really, probable to have next 3 or 4 releases of Mac OS X running on ppc
09:26 < RangerRick> too bad they changed the name to universal, I was looking forward to all the "your binaries are so fat..." jokes
09:26 < pogma> i dislike that name :)
09:26 < RangerRick> "these universal binaries aren't working on my linux box"
09:27 < akh> Or:  "You guys said these were universal.  How come Windows won't run them."?
09:28 < pogma> yeah, /me filed a bug today "gcc -arch ppc -arch i386 -v" returns nothing at all
09:28 < pogma> I kind of wanted the version :)
09:28 < akh> heh
09:39 < akh> hmm...there's a (minimal) message on -users saying that mozilla doesn't build with XCode-2.1 but does with 2.0.
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09:45 < RangerRick> looks like some people have already broken their NDAs and posted benchmarks of ppc apps running on those intel boxen  :)
09:46 < akh> oops
09:46 < RangerRick> osnews says thinksecret is telling us this, but I can't get to thinksecret
09:47 < pogma> what asses
09:48 < pogma> like, um they are going to work on stuff like that for a year, posting benchmarks now is meaningless
09:50  * pogma has so far failed to convince nick that the libssl/crypto bug about fallback paths in dyld is worth fixing
09:51 < pogma> need a new approach
09:51 < RangerRick> :(
09:51 < pogma> bbraun!
09:51 < bbraun> pogma!
09:52 < pogma> bbraun: was talking about you earlier. drm wonders if sancho could host fink's package database
09:52 < bbraun> sure!  no problem!  =)
09:52 < RangerRick> http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0506intelxbench.html
09:52 < pogma> bbraun: also, I think fink needs it's own machine. If one were purchased could it find space near sancho?
09:52 < bbraun> actually, sancho stood up surprisingly well to the /.'ing yesterday and the wwdc traffic.
09:53 < bbraun> probably not near sancho, but possibly near dulcinea.
09:53 < bbraun> erm, not dulcinea either, but lamancha.  in the isc offices.
09:53 < pogma> bbraun: and how many hours per day would one be spending doing admin on such a box?
09:53 < bbraun> probably couldn't be particularly high bandwidth.
09:53 < pogma> ah
09:54 < pogma> okay, things to think about, ta.
09:54  * pogma thinks I have fulfilled my "bug bbraun list" for today :)
09:54 < bbraun> admining?  aside from large projects, like setup, just routine maintnance of checking in regularly isn't that bad.
09:55 < pogma> okay, that was worring drm about having a fink box
09:55 < bbraun> nah, I just make sure I log into all the od machines, check on 'em at least once a day, make sure they haven't exploded, still online, etc.
09:55 < pogma> he did not like the thought of spending late nights in cyber-battles with hackers etc. :)
09:56 < bbraun> hehe.  sadly, that's not really something you can plan for.  you'll have cyber-battles, and it is always at unexpected and usually inconvenient times.
09:57 < bbraun> and once you're done fighting whatever fire there is, letting everyone know what is/was going on and dealing with the fallout takes some time too
09:57 < pogma> so, do you think fink needs a box to call it's own?
09:57 < pogma> its
09:57 < pogma> dammit
09:57 < bbraun> depends on what you're looking for.  what would this box do?
09:57 < pogma> website, maybe cvs
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09:58 < pogma> or svn, basically what remains at sf.net
09:58 < bbraun> just web stuff and cvs, I don't think fink needs its own machine.  OD's cvs machine is woefully underutilized and has been rather stable.
09:58 < bbraun> sancho has been doing fine, and already hosts a number of other critical functions.  adding web stuff to it isn't a big deal.
09:59 < bbraun> a bunch of fink people already have accounts and sudo privs, so that shouldn't be a big deal.
09:59 < pogma> okay, will pass that along to drm
10:00 < bbraun> while being /.'d yesterday, sancho was "busy" but doing ok, and traffic was 4x normal.
10:00 < pogma> apparently updating of the package database is problematic the last few weeks
10:00 < bbraun> on sf or sancho?
10:00 < pogma> sf.net's database server is dodgy
10:00 < bbraun> ah.
10:00 < pogma> and cron jobs get killed half way through
10:00 < pogma> etc
10:00 < bbraun> hehe
10:01 < pogma> pure curiosity, why couldn't we get space on a rack at isc?
10:02 < pogma> but could on their office bandwidth?
10:06  * pogma mails drm
10:16 < newmanbe> I know someone was talking about wanting a build server for Fink.
10:17 < pogma> we don't have an automated build system that works properly
10:17 < pogma> a build server is not useful right now
10:17 < TheSin> anyone know the bandwidth needs for the sql db for PDB
10:17 < newmanbe> That's 'cause we don't have a server to build stuff on.
10:17 < RangerRick> newmanbe: no, we have plenty of places to build stuff
10:18 < TheSin> cause I can offer a db here for it
10:18 < newmanbe> That is what I thought.
10:18 < RangerRick> we don't have a foolproof way of auto-building
10:18 < newmanbe> Nonesense "fink -y build package". :)
10:18 < TheSin> and I talked my company into providing a trans kit for fink
10:18 < TheSin> I'll set it up here do we get a tax rebate for that?
10:18 < newmanbe> Hmm, /me thinks he might like that company.
10:19 < newmanbe> I don't know the non-profit status of FDN right now.
10:19 < TheSin> wait to talk to cirdan then?
10:19 < TheSin> I'd like to get it ordered today so i can get it setup for us ASAP
10:20 < pogma> TheSin: it is non-profit, but in the USA not tax-deductible yet
10:20 < TheSin> ahh ok
10:20 < TheSin> shit happens :D
10:20 < TheSin> I'll get it ordered today :D
10:21 < newmanbe> Well, it definitely is non-profit. Gott'a get people to pay to use Fink. :)
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10:21 < pogma> why?
10:21 < newmanbe> I'm joking.
10:22 < bbraun> ogma: sorry, office visitor.
10:22 < TheSin> anyhow if someone could show me the bandwidth needs for the PDB db I can give a mysql db for that too here on a dual xeon dell poweredge 1850
10:22 < newmanbe> It is non-profit because it doesn't make money.
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10:22 < pogma> newmanbe: that does not mean that we don't require people to pay for shit
10:22 < bbraun> pogma: rack space next to sancho is hard to get.  isc has 3 racks, and there are a ton of other people who want it.
10:23  * newmanbe isn't aware of people paying for anything. (other than mirrors and stuff)
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10:23 < pogma> bbraun: I see, so bribing you is not enough, we have to bribe a whole group of people :)
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10:23 < bbraun> pogma: still around?
10:23 < pogma> no
10:24 < pogma> :)
10:24 < TheSin> hehe honestly I'm more then happy to host it here
10:24 < pogma> TheSin: mail drm
10:24 < TheSin> I have lots of rack space :D
10:24 < bbraun> hehe.  did my last 2 lines make it in before I went away and came back?
10:24 < pogma> 23:30 < bbraun> pogma: rack space next to sancho is hard to get.  isc has 3 
10:24 < pogma>                 racks, and there are a ton of other people who want it.
10:24 < TheSin> biometric locked server room
10:24 < pogma> 23:30 < pogma> bbraun: I see, so bribing you is not enough, we have to bribe a 
10:24 < pogma>                whole group of people :)
10:24 < bbraun> ya, ok.  something was weird on my end.
10:25 < TheSin> anyhow guys I'ma go order that trans kit for us
10:25 < TheSin> what will we need for it, just ssh with sudo or remote desktop as well?
10:25  * pogma wonders what a trans kit is
10:25 < TheSin> for x86
10:25 < TheSin> 10.4.1 on and x86 box
10:25 < newmanbe> I heard that it is a G5 box with an Intel stuck in it.
10:26 < pogma> ah, okay, the $999 rental
10:26 < TheSin> yes
10:26 < TheSin> but we need to prep fink
10:26 < TheSin> and I really think it's gona be a long one
10:26  * newmanbe saw a story about someone making an x86 out of a spare G5 box a long time ago.
10:26 < TheSin> so I think we need a box everyone can work on to come up with a plan
10:26 < bbraun> starting with darwin/x86 would work.  ;-)
10:27 < pogma> TheSin: are you sure you want to go with that?
10:27 < TheSin> what do you mean?
10:27 < pogma> TheSin: darwin x86 will point out the biggest issues
10:27 < pogma> if you happen to have a box that runs it
10:27 < TheSin> not 100% sure that is true
10:27 < TheSin> it'll have the base
10:27 < TheSin> but no sound
10:27 < bbraun> depends on what you're trying to do
10:27 < pogma> TheSin: but then again, if it isn't your money :)
10:28 < TheSin> I just want to do what's best for fink
10:28 < TheSin> so we aren't in a corner
10:28 < bbraun> ironing out fink specific issues will be fine on darwin/x86.  ironing out all the .info files on darwin/x86 won't be the best plan.
10:28 < TheSin> I didn't give the last 5 years of my life to a project to get into a corner twice in one year :D
10:28 < TheSin> heheh
10:28 < pogma> TheSin: email drm, RangerRick, dmacks, vasi, and I and lets see what people think
10:28 < TheSin> we could use msashs build scripts on it
10:29 < TheSin> once we have a plan
10:29 < TheSin> runing 100% 24/7
10:29 < TheSin> I wont' care :d
10:29 < TheSin> getting it for fink after all
10:29 < TheSin> k
10:29 < TheSin> hmm
10:29 < pogma> TheSin: yeah, but I don't know that we will use it enough to justify your companies kindness
10:29 < TheSin> shall I just email -core
10:29 < pogma> company's
10:30 < TheSin> since I don't have everyones email
10:30 < pogma> TheSin: that is up to you
10:30 < TheSin> mostly not yours or vasis
10:30 < pogma> peter-AT-pogma.com is me
10:30 < pogma> one sec
10:31 < pogma> vasi at users.sourceforge.net
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10:37 < TheSin> sent, thanks pogma
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10:53 < pogma> TheSin: I replied, thank you!
10:56 < akh> mmm...aptitude.
10:57 < akh> (just noticed it was added)
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11:01 < TheSin> cool, bbiab
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11:34 < cirdan> hey
11:34 < cirdan> what i miss?
11:36 < cirdan> i agree w/bbraun, work on darwin/x86 as well as tiger/x86
11:38 < akh> And forget about that PPC crap?  ;-)
11:39 < pogma> cirdan: bbraun didn't say that, I think he was noting that darwin x86 was a fairly good starting point for Mac OS X/x86 compatibility
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11:39 < bbraun> yeah, sorting out fink issues on darwin/xxx86 should be fine.  but if you're doing portfiles, you'll hit darwin specific issues instead of x86 specific issues.
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11:40 < bbraun> which, I'd like to see fixed anyway, but is a different topic.  =)
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11:50 < cirdan> hmm
11:50  * cirdan installs new devtools
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12:51 < mee_bot> anyone using mencoder?
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13:27 < lisppaste> mdmonk pasted "net-snmp-ssl err" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/8911
13:27 < newmanbe__> cirdan: People have been having trouble with that.
13:27 < mdmonk> RR: that''s the output from trying to fink install net-snmp-ssl
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13:34 < akh> mdmonk: you should be able just to remove autoconf2.5 and proceed.
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13:37 < RangerRick> autoconf2.5 and automake1.9
13:38 < RangerRick> ick
13:38 < RangerRick> gpg/pthread bugs in kmail  :(
13:39 < RangerRick> __pth_ring_append
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13:43 < mee_bot> where is "rekudos.net" and any clues as to why it is failing on a "fink selfupdate"?
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13:48 < akh> mee_bot: I show it as available.  What's the failure?
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13:50 < mee_bot> in sources.list in the apt.conf.d i have this line
13:50 < mee_bot> deb http://rekudos.net/debian ./
13:50 < mee_bot> is that still correct?
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13:59 < akh> ??? 
13:59 < mee_bot> nevermind
14:00 < mee_bot> i must have forgotten what i was pulling from that site - i removed it and now all is weell
14:01 < akh> It's not correct for Fink at any rate.
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14:18 < dmacks> Anyone mind if I have the web-pdb update script dump status output to -commits? Or -core? Or do we need a fink-automatic-tasks mailing list?
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14:23 < RangerRick> I'd prefer the latter
14:23 < RangerRick> easier to separate stuff out
14:24 < akh> Which "latter"?  The "lattest"?
14:25 < RangerRick> lattest  :)
14:25 < RangerRick> a new list
14:28  * akh likes making up words.
14:28 < akh> Let's hope dmacks checks the logs before sending stuff out to -core or -commits.
14:30  * akh will add OroborOSX to the "display server" section of Running X11--it seems still to work.
14:35 < RangerRick> NO!  I mean, um, ok.  :)  
14:35  * akh figures I should be complete.
14:36 < akh> And then I'll tell people how to run OroborOSX, XDarwin, and X11 in rootless mode simultaneously.
14:36 < Omni|Work> boost-py24 doesn't seem to install boost::python on 10.4
14:36  * Omni|Work :-/
14:42 < akh> No Tiger here.
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14:44 < akh> http://news.com.com/The+brains+behind+Apples+Rosetta+Transitive/2100-1016-5736190.html?part=dht&tag=ntop&tag=nl.e703
14:44 < akh> We'll see...
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14:44 < cirdan> hehe
14:46 < Feanor> i wonder how integrated rosetta is
14:46 < Feanor> it looks amazingly well engineered, i'd like to grab it for a console emulator
14:49 < cirdan> heh
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15:25 < callipygous> hmm, seems my fink is borked
15:25 < callipygous> Err file: unstable/main Packages
15:25 < callipygous>   File not found
15:25 < callipygous> Ign file: unstable/main Release
15:25 < callipygous> goes on
15:33 < akh> callipygous: run "fink scanpackages"
15:37 < cirdan> !faq
15:37 < Melian> [faq] at http://www.finkproject.org/faq/
15:38 < akh> !scanpackages
15:38 < Melian> i heard scanpackages is http://fink.sourceforge.net/faq/usage-fink.php#packages-gz
15:38 < akh> Just added.
15:38 < akh> Hopefully it's not a duplicate.
15:43 < callipygous> lets see if that fixes it, I hardly use fink myself
15:44 < Feanor> i vaguely know two people who might get x86 transition kits
15:46 < akh> grrr...I had hoped that we fixed the "no access to original mirrors once a Master is selected" annoyance.   :\ 
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16:12 < dmacks> Bloody network-problems!
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16:13 < dmacks> Anyhoo, "fink-automated-tasks" is the choice, huh?
16:14 < newmanbe> !logs
16:14 < Melian> logs are at http://meme.b9.com/cview.html?channel=fink&date=today or http://fink.aquaflux.org (currently down)
16:14 < newmanbe> !log
16:14 < Melian> extra, extra, read all about it, log is http://meme.b9.com/start.html
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16:16 < jmain_> I am having an issue with gnome apps I have compiled in Fink.
16:16 < newmanbe> Hello jmain_.
16:16 < newmanbe> Are you getting any error messages?
16:17 < jmain_> It complains about not aboe to find any fonts
16:17 < jmain_> able
16:17 < jmain_> All the gnome packages compiled without errors
16:18 < cirdan> that's a faq no?
16:19 < jmain_> Sorry I just found that.  I was sure I checked it before today.
16:19 < newmanbe> !faq
16:19 < Melian> extra, extra, read all about it, faq is at http://www.finkproject.org/faq/
16:22 < newmanbe> dmacks: The mailing list makes sense to me.
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16:23 < dmacks> heh "automated-tasks" is 3 chars to long.
16:23 < dmacks> *too
16:23 < jmain_> I will have to test now later tonight.  My wife is on the Mac at home and she really hates it when I VNC into it :)
16:23 < cirdan> hehehe
16:23 < dmacks> heh
16:23 < newmanbe> I imagine she would.
16:23 < dmacks> jmain_: Are you on 10.3 or 10.4
16:23 < jmain_> 10.4
16:23 < Zugwrack> Hey everyone...I have a slight problem I can't seem to solve...when I open a new terminal I see this error...I just can't figure out what file it is reading thinking that the /sw directory is still there...tcsh: /sw/bin/init.csh: No such file or directory.
16:24 < dmacks> ~/.cshrc
16:24 < newmanbe> !lart meme
16:24  * Melian rm -rf's meme
16:24 < newmanbe> NO!
16:24 < newmanbe> We still want it.
16:24 < Zugwrack> dmacks: K...sorry know it was a terribly n00b question...
16:24 < Zugwrack> But thank you!
16:24 < dmacks> You're welcome.
16:25 < newmanbe> Meme doesn't want me to have the same username as my IRC nickname.
16:25 < newmanbe> But I use that for all my usernames!
16:25  * newmanbe goes ahead and ignores that.
16:26 < callipygous> dell blow
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16:26 < newmanbe> That was odd.
16:27 < jmain_> Is it possible to export x11 display through ssh?
16:27 < Zugwrack> Anyone care to comment on what possible effects the new XCode version may have in terms of FINK? I noticed when I upgraded the other night..it installed gcc4.X
16:28 < dmacks> XCode-2.1 has problems with fink. XCode-2.0 is fine.
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16:29 < Feanor> how many problems with fink?
16:29 < Feanor> i haven't seen anything about it on -devel, besides people trying to build for x86
16:29 < dmacks> dpkg doesn't compile
16:29 < Zugwrack> dmacks: Thanks...I presume that work is going on to allow 2.1 to work with Fink?
16:29 < dmacks> Zugwrack: yes.
16:30 < dmacks> Most things work probably; the 10.4 bindist is completely safe, but building new things may hit some snags.
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16:32 < Feanor> hm, that's not good
16:32 < Feanor> if i weren't compiling WebKit at the moment i'd check it out
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16:52 < drm> hola RangerRick
16:52 < RangerRick> howdy
16:52 < cirdan> hey
16:52 < drm> i've just noticed that xfree86 and xorg invoke g++ at some point during compilation
16:53 < drm> do they build any C++ libs, do you know?
16:53 < cirdan> oh
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16:53 < RangerRick> drm: I was wondering if that was the issue for glut not being compatible
16:53 < drm> yeah, could be
16:53 < RangerRick> well, the one report I've had that it's not compatible anyways  :)
16:54 < drm> and we would also need to figure out which C++ the apple x11 is
16:54 < Feanor> where is GLUT in the x11 tree?
16:54 < drm> i guess i need to read the buildlog in more detail
16:54 < Feanor> ah, it isn't
16:55 < Feanor> /usr/X11R6/lib/libGLU.a(insurfeval.o):
16:55 < Feanor> 000031ec s EH_frame1
16:55 < Feanor> 000035e8 S _ZN22OpenGLSurfaceEvaluator11inBPMEvalEMEP15bezierPatchMesh.eh
16:55 < Feanor> hello c++
16:55 < drm> Feanor: ok but how do i know *which* c++ compiled that?
16:56 < Feanor> it was compiled by g++ 4, but i don't know how to find that out in general
16:56 < drm> how did you find it out in this case?
16:57 < Feanor> i remember compiling it
16:57 < RangerRick> Feanor: you compiled apple x11?  :)
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16:57 < drm> hmm? is this apple's or fink's?
16:57 < Feanor> well, if xorg for tiger specifically uses 3.3, it used that instead
16:57 < Feanor> this is fink xorg
16:57 < drm> i guess one way is to compile it both ways and compare symbol mangling with apple's?
16:58 < Feanor> i have access to apple x11 and fink xfree86 somewhere too
16:59 < Feanor> 000035e8 S _ZN22OpenGLSurfaceEvaluator11inBPMEvalEMEP15bezierPatchMesh.eh that's from xfree86-4.4.0-13 from the 10.3 bindist
16:59 < Feanor> i assume we know the C++ abi of that
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17:00 < drm> well sure its gcc 3.3
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17:00 < drm> Feanor: and fink's xorg for tiger would be g++ 3.3 as well, since we force that
17:00 < drm> but if apple's x11 is different, we're in trouble :)
17:00 < drm> and if it's not, we're *about to be* in trouble
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17:03 < Feanor> lamancha appears to have Apple X11 installed
17:03 < Feanor> 790da250 S _ZN22OpenGLSurfaceEvaluator11inBPMEvalEMEP15bezierPatchMesh.eh
17:04 < Feanor> (appears = /Applications/Utilities/X11.app exists, XDarwin does not, the package reciepts are right i don't remember how to check more properly)
17:04 < Feanor> *right,
17:05 < drm> so the name mangling is the same but not the numeric?
17:08 < newmanbe> Looks like akh let some more spam through on fink-core.
17:09 < Feanor> the numeric doesn't matter, the only important thing is the symbol name
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17:10 < cirdan> hrm
17:10 < cirdan> must reboot...
17:10 < cirdan> stupid heat...
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17:11 < drm> ok
17:12 < drm> are these private symbols?
17:13 < cirdan> Melian: die
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17:13 < Feanor> i am not aware of any part of GL or GLU or GLUT that's in c++, so probably
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17:13 < drm> yeah, its confined to libGLU
17:13 < drm> the code is sitting in a directory called "internals"
17:14 < drm> sounds pretty safe, unless of course GLUT is trying to access this
17:14 < newmanbe> Mack Johnson makes use of fink-beginners@ a lot.
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17:17 < drm> Melian: why did cirdan kill you?
17:17 < Melian> drm: I wish you would RTFM.
17:17 < cirdan> hehe
17:17 < cirdan> reboot drm
17:17 < cirdan> :-)
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17:18 < drm> grrrr
17:18 < newmanbe> Down nice doggy! :)
17:19 < Feanor> hm, the fink package of ruby on 10.3 is too old for the version of ruby on rails it can install
17:19 < newmanbe> Melian: Why did drm leave?
17:19 < Melian> newmanbe: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
17:19 < Feanor> that's lame
17:19 < newmanbe> !lart things that are lame
17:19  * Melian pours hot grits down the front of things that are lame's pants
17:19 < drm> !botsnack
17:19 < Melian> drm: :)
17:21 < Feanor> and they don't let you install old versions of rail
17:21 < Feanor> s
17:21 < Feanor> that's super lame
17:22 < Feanor> oh, you have to download them seperately
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17:30 < newmanbe> Hmm. I don't like my computer beeping and then not telling me why.
17:31 < bbraun> because you already closed the dialog box that wanted your attention.  when it stole focus.
17:33 < newmanbe> There was no dialog.
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17:42 < newmanbe> Hmm, Melian is no longer in #opendarwin.
17:44 < bbraun> didn't cirdan tell it to die?
17:44 < newmanbe> Yes.
17:44 < newmanbe> There we go.
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17:48 < cirdan> bbraun: i can add her to there if u want
17:49 < cirdan> she hasnt been in it for a day or 3
17:49 < cirdan> she was invited for the lart :-)
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17:50 < cirdan> brb
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18:01 < BlueFire> Hi everybody. I upgraded to Tiger and now my fink applications no longer seem to recognize the cursor keys, printing "A" and "B" instead of moving the cursor up or down. My terminal is set to xterm-color in the OS X terminal application. Any ideas?
18:01 < BlueFire> Same problem in xterm
18:01 < runelind> hrm, akregator is buggy
18:03 < runelind> should be a new version
18:03  * runelind pokes RangerAway :P
18:07 < cirdan> bbraun: ?
18:13 < newmanbe> Melian is in #od.
18:13 < Melian> newmanbe: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ?
18:13 < newmanbe> Yes, I have.
18:15 < newmanbe> BlueFire: Do other non-Fink applications do the same thing?
18:15 < BlueFire> less works fine
18:16 < BlueFire> dselect also does not work
18:16 < BlueFire> I tried rebuilding mc and just now also readline and readline5, but to no avail
18:17 < newmanbe> Does this happen to non-terminal X11 applications?
18:17  * BlueFire checking...
18:35 < BlueFire> newmanbe: no, in a gtk application it seems to work
18:35 < BlueFire> so: happens only on the terminal
18:35 < BlueFire> on both: xterm and Terminal.app
18:35 < newmanbe> Hmm.
18:39 < newmanbe> I believe it is recommended to start from scratch in going from Mac OS X 10.3 to Mac OS X 10.4.
18:41 < BlueFire> well, I was on unstable before
18:41 < BlueFire> I have a strange package named "remap-bad-apple-keys"... not sure what it does
18:41 < BlueFire> but it seems to be about remapping the cursor keys
18:43 < newmanbe> It is also in the 10.3 tree.
18:43 < newmanbe> That looks like it may be what you want.
18:53 < BlueFire> well..
18:53 < BlueFire> I suppose maybe the terminfo database also needs to be patches
18:53 < BlueFire> I'll try rebuilding ncurses
18:53 < BlueFire> cause the remap thingy seems to have no real effect on Terminal.app and console applications
18:54 < BlueFire> not on xterm either
19:02 < BlueFire> *sigh*
19:02 < BlueFire> OK... for the record:
19:02 < BlueFire> recompile ncurses to repair the problem with the cursor keys
19:02 < BlueFire> ;)
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20:08 < dmacks> msg nickserv ident taxol1
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20:10 < dmacks> I suck:(
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20:23 < newmanbe> Working with the innards of computers is tiring.
20:23 < newmanbe> I would not want to have to work inside an eMac.
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20:27 < dmacks> Yeah...pretty cramped...nowhere to put down a cup of coffee.
20:27 < newmanbe> Old computer+semi-old computer=better custom "built" computer(hopefully)
20:28 < newmanbe> You need a client that can auto-identify.
20:28  * dmacks never got around to learning how:(
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21:05 < akh> hate it when I forget to log off at work.
21:06 < dmacks> That'll teach ya to fo to work!
21:06 < dmacks> s/f/g/
21:07 < akh> Most days I could probably get as much done if I worked from home.
21:07 < dmacks> Plus save the commute-time.
21:07 < akh> Exactly.
21:08 < dmacks> Ya got space in your kitchen for a dipole-thingy?
21:09 < cirdan> hey all
21:10 < akh> dmacks:  Nah, but we only do experiments like once a month.
21:10  * akh is deeply ashamed that I spammed fink-core before I went home.  :-(
21:12  * dmacks didn't see it.
21:13  * newmanbe did.
21:13  * pogma neither
21:13 < cirdan> hey all
21:13 < cirdan> :-p
21:14 < akh> Sorry--trying not to spam the lists.  Hey cirdan.
21:14 < cirdan> lets get some fink hacking done :-)
21:14 < newmanbe> Hey all to you too.
21:14 < dmacks> If people want to know "what's up with the web PDB?", tell 'em to read fink-auto-logs.
21:14 < akh> Can we make it give you the option to download from a non-Master mirror if you start with a Master?
21:14 < akh> dmacks: Is it on gmane?
21:15 < pogma> yes
21:15 < newmanbe> No.
21:15 < dmacks> It will be. This is my first SF list, had some trouble configuring it.
21:15 < akh> Ah.
21:18 < newmanbe> No, sf.net had trouble letting *you* configure it.
21:18 < pogma> ah, sorry, the fink-core spam is on gmane
21:18 < pogma> drm was going to move the pdb to opendarwin, I thought
21:18 < dmacks> newmanbe: right...my bad:)
21:20 < dmacks> pogma: First I've heard of that. I think we're back in business cron'ed every 8 hours, no crashes in past 4 runs.
21:20 < dmacks> But regardless, this can be a dumping ground so not-just-whomever-updates-it knows what's going on.
21:21 < newmanbe> TheSin said he could also host the SQL for the pdb.
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21:22 < aaron42> hey, anyone here?
21:22 < dmacks> No.
21:22 < newmanbe> Maybe.
21:22 < aaron42> good, I have a question
21:23 < pogma> dmacks has the answer
21:23 < aaron42> is anyone else getting really slow responses from bindist.finkmirrors.net when doing apt-get installs?
21:23 < pogma> how slow?
21:23 < aaron42> i'm getting speeds averaging around 10kB/s
21:23 < newmanbe> Hmm, can't really blame sf.net for that.
21:23 < dmacks> Yeah, but I'm on a modem:)
21:23 < newmanbe> Might just be a slow or burdened mirror.
21:24 < aaron42> i'm trying to install about a dozen packages, and it's been working on the downloads for a couple hours nowf
21:24 < pogma> newmanbe: bindist. is sancho.opendarwin.org
21:24 < aaron42> it's only a couple hundred mb
21:25 < newmanbe> What is only a couple hundred mb?
21:25 < newmanbe> NM
21:25 < aaron42> the total d/l
21:25 < pogma> 121kb/sec
21:25 < pogma> so, just you, it seems
21:25 < aaron42> i guess
21:25 < aaron42> odd tho, i was getting similar speeds at school
21:25 < aaron42> cable here, campus lan there
21:26 < pogma> http://bindist.finkmirrors.net in a browser is similarly lame?
21:26 < aaron42> hitting the webpage doesn't take enough bandwidth for me to notice
21:26 < aaron42> btw, it sucks in safari
21:27 < aaron42> something's very wrong with the menu javascript
21:27 < pogma> http://bindist.finkmirrors.net/bindist , sorry
21:27 < pogma> download a deb from there and see what kind of speeds you get
21:28 < aaron42> k, sec
21:28 < dmacks> I'd look at it in Safari, but mine crashes EXC_BAD_INSTRUCTION:/
21:29 < aaron42> hmm, seems to be picking up now
21:29 < cirdan> heh
21:29 < aaron42> maybe it was just a transient network issue after all
21:29 < aaron42> weird
21:29 < pogma> well the machine was slow a couple of days ago (/. effect) but should be fine now
21:30 < aaron42> btw, looks like the finkmirrors.net menu was done in css, not js
21:30 < aaron42> it still sucks
21:31 < dmacks> Talk to fink-i18n@lists.sf.net
21:31 < akh> And we'll say:  "If you don't like it, write us something better!"
21:31 < dmacks> Exactly.
21:31 < aaron42> of course, it sucks in firefox too
21:31 < aaron42> i think it's actually broken
21:31 < dmacks> Looks fine in mozilla.
21:32 < aaron42> when i hover on the categories, the same, single option appears below them, just in different places
21:32 < newmanbe> I thought dmalloc handled everything finkmirrors.net.
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21:32 < aaron42> the only thing on the second line is always "mirror status", which btw has no content
21:33 < pogma> drm!
21:33 < drm> !pogma
21:33 < dmacks> newmanbe: Ah right. /me thought we were still talking bindist.
21:33 < cirdan> xar!
21:33 < dmacks> Yeah, finkmirrors.net is busted menus.
21:33 < newmanbe> !xar
21:33 < newmanbe> megahal: Where is Melian?
21:33 < megahal> newmanbe: Melian is a dp sub, although dp is terrible!
21:34 < dmacks> drm: Web PDB generator is working again.
21:34 < pogma> dmalloc handles finkmirrors.net dns
21:34 < drm> ah, megahal...so much to learn
21:34 < drm> dmacks: yeah, i noticed
21:34 < dmacks> (and the Status item has never worked IIRC)
21:34 < cirdan> ehe
21:34 < drm> we were chatting this morning about possibly moving pdb to sancho if we can't get reliable performance from sf
21:35 < dmacks> drm: the cron logs now go to fink-auto-logs list, so I'm not the only one who knows what the status is.
21:35 < drm> cool
21:35 < pogma> dmacks: well, how many subscribers does the list have?
21:35 < pogma> dmacks: you're probably still the only one :)
21:35 < dmacks> I overhauled the updater, tripled its tolerance for server slowness.
21:35 < cirdan> hehe
21:35 < drm> pogma: true... he could still be the only one
21:35  * akh won't subscribe but I'll read it in gmane if it's available.
21:36 < dmacks> It'll be on gmane "as soon as they set it up"
21:36 < aaron42> wonderful, now the fink package this was all in aid of won't build
21:37 < aaron42> the whole point was to do a quick install of the binary versions of a bunch of dependencies
21:37 < aaron42> i'm *trying* to install cacalib
21:37 < aaron42> which is erroring out
21:37 < aaron42> time to run selfupdate
21:38 < dmacks> !lisppaste
21:38 < Melian> methinks lisppaste is a bot that lets you post large chunks of text without flooding the channel. Use it at http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink
21:38 < dmacks> (we can't see your monitor from here, aaron42:)
21:40 < aaron42> now fink selfupdate is failing
21:40 < aaron42> tells me i need gcc 4
21:40 < cirdan> heh
21:40 < drm> hm?
21:40 < aaron42> which i don't seem to have
21:40 < cirdan> you are on tiger?
21:40 < cirdan> on 10.3
21:40 < aaron42> yes
21:41 < aaron42> tiger
21:41 < cirdan> run /Developer/Tools/uninstalldevtools.pl
21:41 < cirdan> and reinstall the tools
21:42 < cirdan> unless...
21:42 < cirdan> was a new fink released this week?
21:42 < cirdan> for the new gcc?
21:42 < aaron42> i tried gcc_select 4.0, and it failed
21:42 < aaron42> so i'll do what you aid
21:42 < aaron42> said
21:42 < dmacks> cirdan: No release for XCode-2.1 yet. We really need to get dpkg fixed and into bootstrap.
21:43 < cirdan> ok
21:43 < cirdan> yeah
21:43 < aaron42> which the xcode on the tiger disks will work, right?
21:43 < cirdan> yes
21:43 < dmacks> Right.
21:43 < aaron42> oy, my drive is dying
21:48 < aaron42> dammit
21:49 < aaron42> how about /Applications/Installers/Xcode Tools/Developer.mpkg/
21:49 < aaron42> ?
21:49 < aaron42> whill that work?
21:49 < drm> yes
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21:49 < drm> do you already have the developer tools installed, though, aaron42?
21:50 < aaron42> i dont' see a gcc 4 in the customize list for it
21:50 < aaron42> i did, then i rand uninstall-devtools
21:50 < aaron42> ran
21:50 < drm> ok
21:50 < dmacks> IS this XCode 1.x or 2.x?
21:50 < aaron42> i dont' see a version number
21:52 < aaron42> will xcode 2.1 work?
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21:54 < drm> xcode 2.1 can't be used to bootstrap fink, but if you already have fink installed it should be ok
21:57 < akh> Yay--only 15 more packages to build!
21:57 < cirdan> drm: they can use the binary installer though
21:58 < drm> true
21:58 < aaron42> i'm d/l'ing 2.1 from apple, but it's going to take 20 min
21:58 < drm> and by tomorrow, it will even be announced
21:58 < akh> And everybody will be happy.
21:58 < akh> ;-)
21:58 < akh> As if.
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22:01 < aaron42> so, Cirdan, how's Valinor this time of year?
22:01 < akh> Hot?
22:01 < cirdan> very
22:01 < cirdan> cooked 2 hard drives almost
22:02 < aaron42> stupid sun
22:02 < drm> do they have seasons there?
22:02 < aaron42> things were better with the trees
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22:02 < dmacks> "Also perform a
22:02 < dmacks> few small cleanups."
22:03 < aaron42> given that valinor's not on the part of the earth that's turning, i suppose if they do, it's by the grace of Eru
22:03 < akh> dmacks ?
22:03 < dmacks> That's the logmsg for a commit that disables shared-library building and lots of other compiler-specific features.
22:03 < akh> OH
22:03 < akh> (sorry--didn't mean to shout)
22:06 < akh> w00t!  I'm done with KDE! 
22:06 < dmacks> Cool...I'll update some more gnome pkgs in a few hours for you:)
22:07 < akh> Do pango* again while I'm in the middle of building it.
22:07  * akh loves when that happens.  9.9 
22:07 < dmacks> grk+2 is f'in 'uge.
22:08 < akh> yah
22:08 < dmacks> (hm...also gtk+2)
22:08 < dmacks> I enabled tests but disabled dep-tracking; net time is about the same I think.
22:08 < dmacks> (net==overall, not network:)
22:09 < akh> ah
22:10 < lisppaste> akh pasted "Is this really necessary?" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/8924
22:10 < pogma> the question?
22:10  * dmacks doesn't understand the bdep-swapping at all.
22:11 < pogma> you think it should just go ahead and swap?
22:11 < akh> pogma:  why does fink install libgettext3-dev and then immediately install gettext-dev instead?
22:12 < dmacks> The usual answer: "all deps calculated first" probably.
22:12 < akh> OK, I'll buy that.
22:12 < akh> (for now)
22:13 < dmacks> *something* you were doing wanted libgettext3-dev, but then the first thing it decided to biuld wanted getttext-dev
22:13 < akh> Yeah--this was in the middle of my update-all, though.
22:14 < drm> still
22:15  * dmacks doesn't like that there's an interruption in the middle.
22:15 < pogma> just takes a minute longer
22:15 < akh> This looks like a job for InheritedBuildDepends.
22:15 < dmacks> 1 x howevermany-times-it-happens:)
22:15 < akh> (or maybe not)
22:16 < dmacks> akh: Orthogonal issue
22:16 < drm> no, its a job for: "remember what you took away so you can put it back"
22:16 < dmacks> Ayup.
22:16 < akh> Would be nice.
22:17 < akh> We've got an _easy_ issue to fix, too.
22:17 < akh> At the end of the bootstrap, the message still says to run "source /sw/bin/init.csh ; rehash"
22:18 < drm> akh: that's been fixed
22:18 < akh> Ah good.
22:18 < akh> Then I've got nothing.  :-)
22:18 < drm> i think its fixed in 0.24.7, and will also be in the next 0.23 release if there is one
22:18 < akh> Wait, yes iI do--the Master-mirror lock in issue.
22:18 < akh> il -> i
22:18 < drm> oh yeah
22:19 < akh> It's nonfatal, but is also an impediment to auto-building.
22:20  * akh doesn't remember if it occurs if one selects the "glom all regional mirrors together" option.
22:22 < akh> heh--just noticed that the Apple Store won't let me find anything in the Northeast by zip code.
22:23 < akh> (the edu store, anyway)
22:25 < akh> Silly Californian didn't know that some Zip codes start with 0.
22:25 < drm> what happens if you just put in 2139
22:25 < akh> It bombs
22:25 < dmacks> ha!
22:26 < drm> even a new yorker coulda made that mistake
22:26 < akh> True.
22:26  * dmacks has a credit card # where one of the quartets has leading zeroes; CC co's webpage drops them then complains that the CC# isn't valid.
22:27 < akh> Clearly not Visa, MC, or Discover.
22:27 < akh> (not sure about AMEX)
22:27 < dmacks> A New Yorker would build the leading-zero into the web form, like checks used to have date "19__". Cuz I mean who gives a damn about anything west of the Hudson?
22:28 < dmacks> (was the 3rd quartet)
22:28 < drm> don't zipcodes in NY start with 1?
22:28 < akh> 10027, e.g
22:28 < akh> (from whence my pay comes)
22:28 < dmacks> Ah right. Make it a boolean option:)
22:29 < drm> NJ is 0 though... i guess the 0 region isn't connected
22:29 < dmacks> NJ can easily be filtered to /dev/null.
22:30 < drm> you got strong filters, man... all that particular matter and oil fumes? whew!
22:30 < drm> particulate
22:30 < dmacks> Hrm, better keep 20892 also...New {York,England} bigotry is no reason to lose NIH grants:)
22:31  * dmacks has a whole separate partition for /dev/null. Don't want to contaminate urandom:)
22:31 < RangerRick> Not Invented Here?
22:31 < RangerRick> that's most grants, isn't it?  :)
22:31 < dmacks> Roight.
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22:32 < nickers> anyone had luck with monodevelop?
22:32 < RangerRick> nickers: yes  :)
22:33 < nickers> lol im having heluva time on 10.4 with latest fink bootstrap
22:33 < RangerRick> of course, I packaged it
22:33 < RangerRick> well, bootstrap != monodevelop
22:33 < RangerRick> xcode 2.1 is apparently not compatible with our bootstrap ATM
22:33 < nickers> well i bootstrapped with 2.0
22:33 < nickers> then installed 2.1
22:33 < nickers> i have had really good luck with 2.1
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22:34 < charles> hi all
22:34 < newmanbe> Hello.
22:34 < charles> RangerRick: hey
22:34 < RangerRick> well are you bootstrapping? or installing?
22:34 < newmanbe> Again.
22:34  * RangerRick is confused
22:34 < RangerRick> hello, charles 
22:34 < nickers> im already installed with fink
22:34 < nickers> i am trying to fink install monodevelop
22:34 < nickers> im fully operational with fink
22:34 < charles> how's progress w/ 10.4?
22:34 < newmanbe> Soon I hear.
22:35 < nickers> charles, im working fine here
22:35 < charles> btw, I should start off by thanking you guys
22:35 < RangerRick> nickers: ok
22:35 < RangerRick> what's the error?  paste it to lisppaste
22:35 < RangerRick> lisppaste: url
22:35 < lisppaste> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink and enter your paste.
22:36 < nickers> :) you dont want me to flood this room with a 30 line debug! 
22:36 < nickers> im trying again real quick to make sure im not crazy
22:36 < nickers> with 10.4 im getting a lot of times where i need to sudo dpkg -r --force-all the package that blocks
22:36 < nickers> and then try again
22:37 < RangerRick> that's what lisppaste is for  :)
22:37 < RangerRick> can you be more specific about dpkg -r --force-all?
22:37 < RangerRick> it should be rare that you need to do that
22:37 < nickers> libonobo2-dev
22:37 < RangerRick> what package?  what error message?
22:37 < nickers> libonobo2-shlibs
22:37 < nickers> i cant start fink install till i remove those packages
22:37 < charles> anyone mind helping me resolve a bootstrap error?
22:37 < RangerRick> charles: you using xcode 2.1?
22:37 < charles> no
22:37 < charles> 2.0
22:38 < RangerRick> ok...
22:38 < charles> it fails the tests after compiling
22:38 < RangerRick> nickers: I can't get more specific without specifics, paste to lisp.org and we'll figure out what's going on
22:38 < charles> shoot, let me see if I can dig up what the exact problem is
22:38 < RangerRick> (as far as your monodevelop problem)
22:38 < nickers> i will paste RangerRick when I get the error again
22:38 < nickers> i started the compile again
22:39 < RangerRick> ok
22:39 < nickers> i noticed apt-get is barren land on 10.4
22:39 < RangerRick> the 10
22:39 < RangerRick> er
22:40 < RangerRick> 10.4-transitional apt tree should be available now, I thought
22:40 < nickers> it is
22:40 < RangerRick> you might need to check your sources.list and update
22:40 < nickers> but its not as full as last release...i find a lot of applications arent there yet
22:41 < RangerRick> there's still plenty of stuff that doesn't build
22:41 < RangerRick> but I wouldn't call it "barren"  :)
22:41 < nickers> :) i think i have come across a lot of them
22:41 < nickers> i had a heluva time with ethereal and etherape
22:41 < nickers> liferea was tough too
22:42 < nickers> im really mad that linux wont load on my PB or I would go that route *it loads but no apx/bt* so fink has filled the gap
22:42 < nickers> i love the software
22:42 < charles> RangerRick: has anyone had problems where the installation fails when testing, because a variable returns the wrong user at the end (i think it returns nobody, expecting another)
22:43 < charles> i'll bootstrap again, and submit the exact problem, if you like
22:43 < nickers> yeah post it on that website
22:43 < charles> http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink ?
22:43 < nickers> site:lisp
22:43 < RangerRick> charles: you might want to search the list archives, that rings a bell, but I don't have specifics
22:44 < RangerRick> yup, that would be the place to post
22:44 < nickers> lisppaste: url
22:44 < lisppaste> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink and enter your paste.
22:44 < nickers> lol i love little things like that
22:44 < nickers> some really cool bots out ther
22:44 < nickers> RangerRick, you develop mono i guess
22:44 < nickers> *in mono
22:46 < akh> charles: http://fink.sourceforge.net/faq/usage-fink.php?phpLang=en#ext-drive
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22:47 < newmanbe> No, http://www.finkproject.org/faq/usage-fink.php?phpLang=en#ext-drive :)
22:47 < newmanbe> That will still work.
22:47 < newmanbe> But it isn't as cool. :)
22:48  * akh hasn't retrained my brain yet.
22:49 < RangerRick> nickers: no, but I ported it
22:49 < RangerRick> mostly just to play with  :)
22:49 < nickers> cool thanks RangerRick 
22:49 < RangerRick> anyways, I've got to go to bed
22:49 < RangerRick> 'night all
22:49 < nickers> im trying to get into programming
22:49 < nickers> night
22:49 < akh> 'night RR
22:49 < nickers> question to all
22:49 < nickers> anyone have luck with making each X11 app show up as its own icon in the dock
22:49 < nickers> instead of as just the one big X11 icon
22:50 < newmanbe> I've seen things like that on Apple's third-party Mac OS X download page, broken link though.
22:50 < newmanbe> You could always use an X11 dock.
22:50 < nickers> newmanbe, like with windowmaker or xfce type thing?
22:50 < newmanbe> I think so.
22:51 < akh> Sure.
22:51 < newmanbe> Or kicker.
22:51 < newmanbe> Or [insert-name-here].
22:51 < nickers> i was really hoping to not run it that way...if so i may run x11 full screen on monitor and apple on the other...
22:51 < nickers> i want everything to mesh :)
22:52 < newmanbe> Goodbye.
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22:52 < akh> I'm not sure you can do the X11/Aqua on two monitors thing.
22:53 < akh> (but I'd welcome being proved wrong)
22:53 < nickers> if i use the geometry in .xinitrc and run it full screen
22:53 < charles> holy crap!  thanks guys.  that should do the trick.
22:53 < charles> i'll see
22:54 < akh> nickers:  Xnest is another option.
22:54 < nickers> ahhh didnt even think of xnest
22:55 < nickers> that would work awesome too
22:55 < nickers> i could just use xnest and xdmcp into my openbsd box and use its X11 apps
22:55 < nickers> hmmm no more hellish fink/mono problems
22:55 < akh> Good!
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23:07 < charles> it's running now
23:07 < charles> but ignore ownership was already checked
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23:07 < nickers> you are all set then charles ?
23:07 < charles> we'll see'
23:07 < charles> it always failed at what is probably the very end
23:08 < charles> after compilation, it ran tests, and failed them
23:08  * akh has to get up early, so goodnight,all
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23:10 < lisppaste> charles pasted "awesome" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/8927
23:10 < charles> this is the type of error
23:10 < charles> but we'll see if I get it again
23:16 < bitchx> the xcode 2.1 install has been stuck at "running gcc 4.0 installer script, time remaining: less than a minute" for the last 25 minutes now
23:16 < bitchx> should I be worried?
23:17 < nickers> mine took FOREVER
23:17 < nickers> let it sit :)
23:17 < nickers> if anything fireup a terminal and top
23:17 < nickers> make sure its still doing something
23:17 < charles> right, 'cuz no program ever gets stuck in a loop :)
23:18 < nickers> :)
23:18 < nickers> NEVER! its Unix :)
23:18 < charles> lol
23:18 < bitchx> the sh processes that ps|grep gcc sees seem to be at 0% cpu, .01 seconds each
23:20 < nickers> hmmm not a good sign
23:21 < bitchx> and showing no signs of changing
23:21 < bitchx> i guess it's time to kill it and try again
23:21 < nickers> i think so
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23:21  * charles whinces
23:23 < aaron42> why the whince?
23:24 < charles> killing an installer
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