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00:22 < dmacks> bbraun: The simple solution is to pass "INSTALLFLAGS=-c" with the 'make install' cmd
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03:51 < broeken> does anybody have any trouble installing apr-shlibs-0.9.6-10?
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04:38 < chris01> broeken: what is the error message?
04:40 < lisppaste> broeken pasted "Error apr-shlibs" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/8975
04:45 < chris01> broeken: you need to paste more. The error occured somewhere else, leading to a missing libapr-0.0.9.5.dylib
04:45 < chris01> broeken: See FAQ http://fink.sourceforge.net/faq/comp-general.php?phpLang=en#mv-failed
04:54 < lisppaste> broeken annotated #8975 with "More errors for chris01" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/8975#1
04:54 < broeken> chris01, that lib only gets mentioned in the last couple of lines
04:58 < chris01> broeken: this seems strange. Even though it is trying to build apr-ssl-0.9.6 it is referring to 0.9.5
04:58 < chris01> mhm.
05:00 < chris01> broeken: could you paste everything of the output?
05:01 < broeken> not at paste.lisp.org
05:01 < broeken> could i mail you, chris01?
05:01 < chris01> broeken: sure.
05:02 < chris01> broeken: but make sure to also inform the package maintainer.
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08:27 < akh> "foo doesn't work on Tiger, even though I haven't bothered to download the newer version that Fink says is available."
08:27 < akh> !lart lazy users.
08:27  * Melian puts lazy users. through a wood chipper
08:28  * broeken wonders if he's a lazy user
08:29 < akh> I doubt it.
08:29 < chris01> broeken: i am recompiling apr-shlibs on my comp right now.
08:29 < broeken> chris01, you sure ain't lazy ;)
08:31 < chris01> broeken: 2 things: 1. are your on Tiger? 2. Shouldn't you use 'apr-ssl-shlibs'?
08:31 < broeken> 1. i'm not on tiger
08:32 < broeken> 2. i don't know, i just wanted to install svn which depends on apr-shlibs
08:34 < chris01> 1. Ok. me too.
08:34 < chris01> 2. I recommend install svn-ssl instead, since it will give you ssl access.
08:35 < broeken> does svn-client-ssl also connect to non-ssl servers?
08:35 < chris01> sure
08:35 < chris01> so, for you: 'fink install svn-client-ssl'
08:35 < chris01> but you probably have to remove the non -ssl variants of the packages first. 
08:36 < broeken> will do, but i'm still curious about the apr-shlibs problem
08:36 < chris01> Do a 'fink remove --recursive db43-shlibs apr-shlibs'
08:36 < chris01> sure, wait until my build is finished.
08:36 < chris01> ok, just reproduced your error...
08:36 < broeken> hooray!
08:37 < Clef> i think apr has been broken a while.
08:37 < Clef> maybe im thinkin of a different pkg tho
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08:40 < chris01> broeken: and I already fixed it.
08:40 < broeken> great
08:41 < chris01> broeken: it was a typo. The typo isn't in apr-ssl. 
08:42 < broeken> gotta love those typos
08:42 < chris01> broeken: but: you might run in another problem right now. the cyrus-sasl2 package is broken right now. The maintainer is informed.
08:42 < chris01> so, I recommend waiting another day or two, if you can.
08:43 < broeken> but i don't want to be a lazy user ;)
08:44 < akh> "lazy == doesn't read the docs before complaining"
08:45  * pogma is sometimes guilty of that :)
08:45 < akh> heh
08:46  * akh thinks we should make Fink Commander a Fink-installable package.
08:46 < akh> That way we can guarantee that people already have Fink working before thay install it.
08:46 < akh> they
08:46 < chris01> broeken: or, better yet: don't wait, try to install svn-ssl-client, and complain... ;)
08:48 < broeken> akh, if you run finkcommander without fink, you get a nice error message telling you to install fink
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08:49 < broeken> good enough, i'd think
08:49 < broeken> for now
08:49 < akh_afk> broeken--Ah.  I never tried that.
08:52 < chris01> broeken: one other thing: Once you get things working right, be sure to write a nice little message to all the maintainers about your success. 
08:52 < chris01> So that we can move stuff to the stable tree.
08:52 < broeken> ok, i'll do that
08:52 < broeken> thanks for helping out (first nice little message)
08:52 < chris01> (just in case you though help on #fink was free)
08:52 < chris01> :)
09:00 < chris01> hi dsias
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09:17  * akh will "Tigerize" my laptop today.
09:18 < akh> And send messages about every stinkin' build/runtime failure.
09:18 < akh> ;-)
09:18  * drm hopes you are targeting the stable tree for starters
09:19 < akh> bindist, then stable.
09:19 < drm> cool
09:19 < akh> Not that I'm going to install _everything_, mind.
09:20 < drm> you going with xcode 2.0 or 2.1?
09:20 < akh> May as well hit 2.1.
09:21 < drm> in that case, use the binary installer... or are you doing an upgrade from panther?
09:21 < akh> Upgrade.
09:21 < drm> good... you can test the new upgrade instructions on the web page!
09:21 < akh> Yup.
09:21 < drm> (largely untested :/)
09:22 < akh> The upgrade matrix needs to be upgraded, too.
09:22 < drm> yeah
09:22 < akh> Basically one "and later" should do it.
09:22 < drm> i think so
09:22 < drm> another page that is bad is the "source installation" page in the download section
09:23 < drm> its grabbing the version number for the distro
09:24 < akh> Yeah--I think it was intended as a "feature" to pick the latest bindist version.
09:25 < drm> well, it could be written to pick up the "fink-xxx-full.tar.gz" file
09:25 < akh> That link is valid.
09:26 < akh> Though maybe in this case it should point to the file list page.
09:27 < drm> is that what it links to? i didn't look carefully... but maybe the word associated to the link should give the actual file name? the .tar.gz next to it is confusing
09:27 < akh> Ah.
09:28 < akh> How about "gzipped tar archive" instead?
09:29 < drm> sure
09:30 < drm> i cc'd an email to you since you might run into the same issue...
09:30 < akh> Got it.
09:31 < akh> And I think that's right--it seems like a manual postinstall run is needed more or less immediately after a distribution tree change.
09:31 < drm> the problem with giving instructions is that a person may or may not need a new fink as the first step... that's the only point of starting with fink selfupdate... if you already had a current fink you could start with the postinstall.pl and then do the selfupdate
09:31 < akh> Yup.
09:32 < drm> if you can think of a better way to explain it to users, please feel free to edit the new item on the web page! :)
09:32 < drm> it will help that you will have been through the process yourself...
09:32 < drm> time to reboot...bbl
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09:57 < baba> hiya
09:58 < newmanbe> Hello.
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10:23 < chris01> hi TheSin
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10:32 < TheSin> hey
10:33 < RangerRick> howdy
10:36 < chris01> TheSin: did you see my commit to apr.info?
10:36 < TheSin> yes thanks
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10:46 < TheSin> hey jtyler 
10:57 < akh_afk> Anybody "official" care if I remove the XTools chapter from the X11 guide?
10:57 < jtyler> hey TheSin 
10:58 < RangerRick> akh_afk: remove or update, either is probably better than what we've got
10:58 < RangerRick> :)
10:58 < RangerRick> ah, xtools
10:58 < RangerRick> hah, thought you meant xcode
10:58 < RangerRick> hell yeah, xtools should go
10:59 < pogma> need the space to add the chapter about why fink doesn't work when your dual-boot intel system is booted into windows :)
11:00 < RangerRick> haha
11:01 < TheSin> hehe
11:01 < TheSin> it's funny cause it's true
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11:11 < baba> akh: go ahead
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11:49 < ronwalf> Odd: mysql 4.1.10-1, mysql-dev 3.23.58-22
11:50 < Omni|Work> There's a bit of a reason for that.
11:50 < Omni|Work> There are a lot of programs that are links against mysql 3.23
11:50 < Omni|Work> links=linked
11:50 < Omni|Work> And it's actually fairly popular to target that version of the API.
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12:03 < akh> mmm...Windows for Mac.
12:05 < akh> Wonder if they'd bother...
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12:13 < Bart_> akh_on_tiger lol
12:13  * akh_on_tiger has to check out our upgrade instructions now.
12:14 < akh_on_tiger> I'll complain to -i18n if there's  a problem.  
12:14 < akh_on_tiger> And then I'll fix it. ;-)
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12:17 < akh_on_tiger> holy crap:  35 minutes to import my Mail messages!
12:23 < chris01> akh_on_tiger: do you want to do me a favour?
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12:34 < akh_on_tiger> I can.
12:34 < bbraun> bindists rock.  fyi.
12:36 < chris01> akh_on_tiger: i will soon commit svn 1.2 for tiger, but can't test. Would be great if you could try to build...
12:37 < akh_on_tiger> Sure--I want to use it anyway.
12:38 < chris01> akh_on_tiger: it is now in the unstable tree. Thanks a lot!
12:39 < chris01> akh_on_tiger: you will also need the unstable apr-ssl, apache2-ssl and openldap-ssl packages.
12:43 < akh_on_tiger> No surprise.
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12:45 < jkretz> hi all
12:45 < jkretz> quick question, i'm trying to get gnome setup under x11 in tiger
12:46 < jkretz> i had installed fink under panther and have now upgraded to tiger
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12:46 < jkretz> is there no bundle-gnome package anymore?
12:46 < jkretz> all the guides i've read tell me to install that to take care of all dependencies
12:47 < jkretz> but fink install bundle-gnome  tells me that there is no package bundle-gnome
12:49 < akh> It's in the unstable tree on Tiger.
12:49 < akh> !unstable
12:49 < Melian> methinks unstable is http://www.finkproject.org/faq/usage-fink.php#unstable , or at http://www.finkproject.org/faq/usage-fink.php#bindist
12:49 < akh> !$25
12:49 < Melian> i heard $25 is "Your question is in the existing documentation, so either look it up or pay the project a $25 'annoyance fee'."
12:49 < akh> :-) (just kidding about the last)
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12:52 < Omni|Work> gnome-terminal gives me a shared library symbol lookup error involving some 'idea' related symbol in openssl.
12:52 < akh_on_tiger> Must be the IDEA cypher.
12:53 < Omni|Work> Yes, I figured that.
12:53 < Omni|Work> I removed the openssl packages, the .deb files, and the source.
12:53 < Omni|Work> I'm forcing it to rebuild.
12:53 < mdmonk> BRB...
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12:53 < akh_on_tiger> shutdown -rf now!
12:53  * Omni|Work looks strangely at akh_on_tiger.
12:53 < akh_on_tiger> oops--not yet.
12:54  * akh_on_tiger was going to reboot.
12:54 < Omni|Work> Ahh, I thought you were telling me to.  :-)
12:54 < akh_on_tiger> Nope.
12:56 < akh_on_tiger> grrr...13 minutes of mail sorting left.
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12:58 < lisppaste> Omni|Work pasted "Shared library error running gnome-terminal" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/8990
12:59 < Omni|Work> I think that's a rather strange error.
13:01 < hramrach> Hello
13:01 < hramrach> There is no gcj on my system :/
13:01  * Omni|Work bows to hramrach.
13:02  * hramrach /var/tmp/tmp.2.UobfKM
13:02 < hramrach> hmm
13:02 < hramrach> pasting is still weird in Terminal
13:03 < Omni|Work> You need superglue, not paste.
13:04 < akh_on_tiger> Omni|Work: Looks like typical build -vs runtime confusion.
13:04 < hramrach> Not even xterm comes with superglue. I guess it would be even more confusing :)
13:05 < Omni|Work> Ahh, this word, typical, I do not understand how it applies.
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13:06 < akh_on_tiger> I overstated it:  "typical" -> "not unheard of"
13:07 < Omni|Work> Ahh, that's better.  :-)
13:07 < Omni|Work> I've never seen anything like it, and don't really know what you mean by that.
13:07 < akh_on_tiger> It happened with freetype2 quite often.
13:08 < Omni|Work> I've seen people taking freetype2's name in vain many times on here.
13:08 < akh_on_tiger> Two nonidentical versions of a library exist on the system--one gets linked in during build, but at runtime the other gets picked.
13:08 < Omni|Work> Ahh, OK.
13:09 < akh_on_tiger> Now it's time to reboot for me.
13:10 < akh_on_tiger> (or for me to reboot)
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13:10 < Omni|Work> That makes since, since there seems to be a /usr/lib version an an /sw/lib version.
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13:13 < hramrach> hehe, mozilla crashes on startup.
13:13 < hramrach> And I wanted to build a plugin for it
13:15 < hramrach> Does it work for somebody?
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13:18 < jtyler> hramrach: i would erase the profile directory
13:23 < hramrach> I did. But it did not help. There was probably none from the start.
13:25 < hramrach> mm, I will try to post to fu
13:26 < jtyler> k
13:28 < Omni|Work> DYLD_INSERT_LIBRARIES=/usr/lib/libssl.0.9.7.dylib gnome-terminal works.
13:29 < Omni|Work> Interesting.  I wonder what component of gnome-terminal depends on SSL.
13:30 < hramrach> Omni|Work: everything in gnome probably uses gnome-vfs which can be -ssl
13:31 < hramrach> Though I am not sure what would terminal use it for :)
13:31 < Omni|Work> I bet that's it.
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13:37 < bbraun> is there any point to having the same version of something in both stable and unstable?
13:38 < hramrach> Interesting question. 
13:38 < Omni|Work> Is there a Mac/Darwin utility that does something similar to ldd on Linux?
13:38 < bbraun> otool -L
13:38 < hramrach> But what would cvs do if you deleted it from unstable?
13:38 < bbraun> move it to the attic, like everything when you remove a file
13:39 < bbraun> stuff goes away all the time
13:39 < hramrach> .. and put a new one when you make a new version?
13:39 < bbraun> sure
13:39 < hramrach> But you want the diffs, not new files, don't you?
13:40 < Omni|Work> bbraun: Thanks!  That's very helpful.
13:40 < bbraun> it brings it back from the attic.  you don't lose history
13:40 < bbraun> things get deleted and readded all the time, it's not a big deal
13:41 < bbraun> I'm asking from the fink point of view, does it makes sense to have identical things in stable and unstable.
13:41 < akh_on_tiger> Only if users turn on unstable without turning on stable, too.
13:41 < hramrach> yes
13:42 < akh_on_tiger> Fink Commander doesn't let them do that, and the docs don't tell them to, but stuff happens.
13:43 < bbraun> why's that?
13:43 < akh_on_tiger> Because users manually edit fink.conf and just change "stable" to "unstable"
13:43  * Omni|Work laughs.
13:43 < bbraun> hmm.  that doesn't seem like a good idea.
13:44 < akh_on_tiger> Right.
13:44 < akh_on_tiger> No disagreement here.  ;-)
13:44 < hramrach> and it may make fink faster to have just unstable - less packages to index :)
13:44 < bbraun> oh well, so never remove stuff from unstable, just copy to stable periodically?
13:44 < akh_on_tiger> Yes.
13:44 < bbraun> I can live with that.  even if I disagree.  =)
13:44 < akh_on_tiger> where periodically == feedback + all dependencies moved
13:44 < bbraun> yeah.
13:45 < bbraun> or no feedback/no new version in >1yr?
13:45 < akh_on_tiger> Maintainer's prerogative.
13:45 < bbraun> I figure if it's been in unstable for a year with no complaints, it's probably time to move it.
13:45 < akh_on_tiger> Unless nobody's bothered to install it.
13:46 < akh_on_tiger> One assumes the maintainer has, but you never know...
13:46 < bbraun> no one will install it in stable/, so no harm done.  =)
13:46 < newmanbe> Does your tiger have a name akh?
13:46 < newmanbe> How long did it take you to train it to not eat you? :)
13:47 < bbraun> newmanbe: my tiger is still not trained.  =(
13:47  * akh_on_tiger doesn't know for sure:  haven't installed XCode2.1 yet.
13:47 < bbraun> phear the xcode 2.1
13:47 < hramrach> Tigers are nice cats. From sufficient distance :)
13:48 < Omni|Work> gnome-vfs has an ssh method?  Interesting.
13:52  * hramrach wonders if there is some simple filemanager (like mc) that also has it
13:53 < newmanbe> KDE has something like that called Fish.
13:53 < Omni|Work> Wow!  Yay!  I've been trying to get my gf to set up a webspace and stuff.  And she's found the process of scp'ing stuff around to be painfully confusing.
13:53 < Omni|Work> This is much easier.
13:54 < hramrach> How is Fish simpler that Nautilus?
13:54 < Omni|Work> Bah!  Forcing gnome-vfs to recompile didn't fix the SSL problem.  :-(
13:57 < newmanbe> hrmarch: I didn't say it was.
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13:57 < newmanbe> *hramrach
13:58 < akh_on_tiger> heh.  XCode2.0 wanted to install the X11SDK for me...stupid /Library/Receipts leftovers.
14:00 < hramrach> But it's not simple then :)
14:02 < akh_on_tiger> I don't want a bastardized mixture of Xorg and Apple's X11, though.
14:03 < akh_on_tiger> Grr...If I see that "may contain an application" popup too many more times, I'm going to go ballistic.
14:04 < akh_on_tiger> Rebooting time again....
14:04 < akh_on_tiger> oops false alarm.
14:05 < hramrach> mc has it but it does not work for me
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14:14 < drm> hola RangerRick
14:15 < akh_on_tiger> "Optimizing System Performance"...I thought that was going away.
14:15 < drm> so did we... but the installer still does it
14:16 < akh_on_tiger> !lart Installer.app
14:16  * Melian whacks Installer.app with a giant beaver's tail
14:16 < Feanor> hm, the xscreensaver guy switched to OS X
14:16 < akh_on_tiger> rebooting...
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14:16 < Feanor> and he can't build xscreensaver on OS X because of a fink problem
14:17 < Feanor> http://www.livejournal.com/users/jwz/494040.html
14:19 < drm> Feanor: sounds like he doesn't actually want help
14:21 < RangerRick> yay, qt4 doesn't seem to build with xcode 2.1
14:21 < drm> qt4?
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14:23 < RangerRick> qt4 rc1
14:23 < drm> WHEN WILL THESE PEOPLE STOP UPDATING THEIR SOFTWARE
14:23 < Feanor> i posted anyway
14:24 < drm>  <jk>
14:24 < RangerRick> hehe
14:24 < akh_on_tiger> !lart upstream updates
14:24  * Melian acting on orders from an unspecified client drags upstream updates into court suing for $200 million
14:24 < drm> hey, RangerRick, I just got a message on 10.4 about something not found in segment address table /sw/var/lib/fink/prebound/seg_addr_table
14:24 < drm> this surprises me, RangerRick, since I thought we were'nt prebinding any more?
14:25 < RangerRick> well, we're not prebinding on 10.4, maybe it doesn't happen for 10.4-transitional?
14:26 < drm> this is actually 10.4, not 10.4-transitional
14:28 < RangerRick> hrm
14:29 < akh_on_tiger> drm:  found some gaps in the update instructions.
14:29 < RangerRick> it shouldn't then, but I don't recall the details of how it got turned off
14:29 < drm> there is a $skip_prebinding++ command which should be doing it
14:31 < drm> ooo, but that just stops us from doing the prebinding step at the end of package creation; it doesn't affect anything at compile-time as far as i can see
14:31 < drm> (this is on 0.23.x if it matters)
14:31 < drm> akh_on_tiger: what gaps? (just curious)
14:32 < RangerRick> I thought it turned all that other junk off too
14:32 < drm> maybe
14:32 < drm> i don't see where in the code though
14:33 < akh_on_tiger> General--After you run postinstall.pl you're pointing at a new distribution.  If UseBinaryDist is set, then the 'apt-get update' that's part of 'fink selfupdate' bombs.
14:33 < drm> ok, there are a few other places to look...half a sec
14:33 < akh_on_tiger> So a "scanpackages needs to be run"
14:33 < akh_on_tiger> (excuse sloppy quotes)
14:33 < drm> that's before fink selfupdate?
14:34 < drm> yeah, makes sense
14:34 < akh_on_tiger> yup
14:37 < drm> RangerRick: we still have LD_PREBIND set to 1
14:37 < drm> but we've disabled the post-install redo-prebinding bit :/
14:38 < akh_on_tiger> grr...stupid leftover pm581 things.
14:39 < RangerRick> drm: heh, whups
14:39 < RangerRick> OK
14:43 < akh_on_tiger> damn--messed up uninstall-devtools.
14:44 < akh_on_tiger> teach me to run it from within a directory that's to be deleted.  :\
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15:18 < akh_on_tiger> urg--messy upgrade.
15:20 < RangerRick> speaking of messy, worked out the qt4 thing with leimy's help: http://www.qtforum.org/thread.php?threadid=12003&sid=
15:20 < RangerRick> most likely a gcc bug, whee!
15:20 < akh_on_tiger> Ouch.  
15:21 < RangerRick> operator overloading
15:21 < RangerRick> fun
15:23 < akh_on_tiger> Haven't done that in years.
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15:56 < zapalotta> hello
15:57 < zapalotta> what's the magic in getting kde with fink 0.8? "apt-get search kde" only lists gnome-stuff
15:58 < cirdan> fink install bundle-kde-ssl
15:58 < akh_on_tiger> !unstable
15:58 < Melian> [unstable] http://www.finkproject.org/faq/usage-fink.php#unstable , or at http://www.finkproject.org/faq/usage-fink.php#bindist
15:58 < akh_on_tiger> After enabling the unstable tree, that is.
15:59 < zapalotta> ah, IC, thanks
16:00 < RangerRick> it did not make the bindist, there are a few showstopper bugs
16:00 < RangerRick> I will be 
16:00 < RangerRick> I will be building binaries as soon as I get them worked out
16:01 < bbraun> can package maintainers upload packages to bindists?
16:01 < bbraun> totally need that
16:02 < bbraun> I should make something like that.  take their ssh key used for committing, use that for authentication, and have a check that lets them only upload packages for which they are the maintainer.
16:02 < akh_on_tiger> That's been a sore point for a while now. 
16:02 < bbraun> yeah, I know
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16:03 < cirdan> bbraun: also dpkg-sign
16:03 < bbraun> and it's always been better to not do anything at all than agree on something
16:03 < akh_on_tiger> bbraun: That's right--you can't make mistakes that way.  ;-)
16:03 < bbraun> cirdan: yeah
16:03 < akh_on_tiger> (unless doing nothing is a mistake, of course)
16:04 < bbraun> sigh.  I remember why I don't like open source now.  =)
16:04 < cirdan> heh
16:04 < cirdan> ?
16:04 < bbraun> "let's do something really cool!"  "no, that's not cool, you're dumb!"  "ok, fine, I'm going to go play in my own sandbox now"  "fine, but don't use any of my stuff"
16:05 < cirdan> ah
16:05 < cirdan> hehe
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16:07 < akh_on_tiger> stupid open source IRC client!
16:07 < bbraun> see!  opensource is evil!
16:07 < akh_on_tiger> Or maybe it's the proprietary OS--I'm not sure who's at fault, really.
16:08 < bbraun> I'm sure there was someone who wanted to fix that bug, but got bogged down in arguing over whether it's the best way to fix it and then they just gave up and went home.
16:08 < mdmonk> PLBKAC
16:08 < bbraun> L?
16:08 < bbraun> lies.  I'm used to E
16:08 < mdmonk> ah. :)
16:09 < mdmonk> E for Exists?
16:09 < bbraun> yeah
16:09 < RangerRick> yeah, same here
16:09 < mdmonk> sounds better that way.
16:09 < RangerRick> pehb-cack
16:09 < mdmonk> s/PLBKAC/PEBKAC/g;
16:09 < mdmonk> all better now.
16:09 < mdmonk> :w!
16:16 < akh_on_tiger> :wq
16:17 < mdmonk> nah. no "q', I'm still here.
16:17 < akh_on_tiger> heh
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16:17 < mdmonk> :) perhaps I need a nap. I was up too late writing. haha
16:18 < akh_on_tiger> mmm....faster compiling
16:18 < mdmonk> any known issues with svn-ssl patching and building?
16:18 < akh_on_tiger> On Tiger?
16:19  * akh_on_tiger is going to check it.
16:19 < mdmonk> yep
16:19 < akh_on_tiger> It's part of my update-all.
16:19 < RangerRick> built fine for me
16:20 < hramrach> mdmonk: then it's your system what is broken :)
16:20  * hramrach has lamost always the broken system
16:20 < mdmonk> ha. 
16:20 < hramrach> almost
16:28 < waltman> there's a note in sources.list that it's created from fink.conf by fink.  how do i get fink to update it?
16:42 < waltman> i.e. i changed fink.conf and reran apt-get.  it still was using the old sources.list.
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16:43 < ismith> when i installed fontconfig2-dev (as a dependency of gimp), fink didn't install any config files, including /etc/fonts/fonts.conf.  where can i find these files?
16:48 < akh_on_tiger> waltman: "fink reinstall fink"
16:48 < akh_on_tiger> ismith: !fc-cache
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16:48 < akh_on_tiger> !fc-cache
16:48 < Melian> extra, extra, read all about it, fc-cache is http://www.finkproject.org/faq/usage-fink.php#fc-cache
16:48 < aaron42> hi
16:48 < akh_on_tiger> hi
16:48 < ismith> akh_on_tiger: i did run fc-cache
16:48 < ismith> as sudo
16:48 < aaron42> i'm having a prob with fink on my old jaguar box
16:49 < aaron42> apt-get update says some of the index files are missing
16:49 < ismith> Ian-Smiths-Computer:~ ismith$ sudo fc-cache
16:49 < ismith> Password:
16:49 < ismith> Fontconfig error: Cannot load config file "/etc/fonts/fonts.conf"
16:49 < ismith> Fontconfig error: Cannot load default config file
16:49 < ismith> Ian-Smiths-Computer:~ ismith$ 
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16:49 < aaron42> and fink scanpackages is giving me weird errors i've never seen
16:49 < akh_on_tiger> lisppaste it up
16:49 < akh_on_tiger> ismith: hmm...
16:49 < aaron42> url?
16:50 < akh_on_tiger> lisppaste:  URL?
16:50 < lisppaste> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink and enter your paste.
16:50 < lisppaste> aaron42 pasted "fink scanpackages errors" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/8997
16:50 < aaron42> k, pasted a sample of them
16:51 < aaron42> it keeps churning more out, but they're all the same, modulo the package invovled
16:51 < aaron42> involved
16:51 < akh_on_tiger> aaron42: Those aren't errors.
16:51 < akh_on_tiger> Ignore them.
16:51 < aaron42> what are they then?
16:51 < drm> those are harmless
16:51 < drm> reports about duplicate .deb files
16:51 < akh_on_tiger> The message just says that there's an old deb that's being skipped in favor of a new one.
16:51 < drm> for different revisions of a package
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16:52 < aaron42> will they go away?
16:52 < drm> never :)
16:52 < drm> unless you run "fink cleanup" and get rid of old .deb's
16:52 < aaron42> ah
16:52 < aaron42> i'll do that then
16:52 < akh_on_tiger> Some may have to be removed manually.
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16:53 < ismith> akh_on_tiger: any ideas?
16:53 < akh_on_tiger> I'm looking...
16:55 < akh_on_tiger> I can send my fonts.conf
16:55 < ismith> great
16:55 < ismith> erm ... i've never done dcc - could you lisppaste it?
16:56 < akh_on_tiger> sure.
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16:56 < akh_on_tiger> One sec--I'm in the middle of a fc-cache run.
16:56 < ismith> sure, np
16:57 < chris01> akh_on_tiger: in case you tried to build svn on tiger: i forgot to move the patches. Now it should be ok.
16:57  * akh_on_tiger didn't finish it yet.
16:58 < aaron42> ok, i'm certainly getting less of the warnings now
16:58 < aaron42> how do i get rid of the old debs that are left?
16:58 < aaron42> just delete the files?
16:58 < drm> aaron42: yes, and possibly also the symlinks in /sw/fink/debs
16:59 < aaron42> or is there some dpkg- thing i should do
16:59 < lisppaste> akh pasted "/etc/fonts.conf" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/8998
16:59 < akh_on_tiger> oops--wrong filename ;-)
16:59 < akh_on_tiger> aaron42: sudo rm
16:59 < ismith> i think i can figure it out ;-)
16:59 < aaron42> k
17:00 < akh_on_tiger> Sometimes they don't get automatically remove via cleanup.
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17:03 < ismith> hmm ... line 284 is malformed (according to fc-cache
17:04 < ismith> ah, i see
17:05  * waltman now tries to get apt-get update to run without errors
17:06 < waltman> it's complaining about local/main not being found
17:06 < ismith> akh_on_tiger: gnome works fine now.  thanks
17:06 < waltman> along with other things
17:07 < aaron42> um, oops
17:08 < aaron42> accidentally deleted the wrong deb for one of the packages
17:08 < aaron42> how do i fix this?
17:08 < drm> aaron42: you'll have to rebuild it
17:08 < drm> waltman: "fink scanpackages"
17:09  * waltman tries it
17:09 < waltman> well, that got rid of the errors.  thanks.
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17:24 < aaron42> ok, that seems to have solved it
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17:52 < Aliekens> i'm getting all kinds of errors when running apt-get update, can anyone tell me what's wrong -> http://pastebin.com/298610 -> my sources.list is in that pastebin too
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18:59 < JackHanna> hey guys
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19:01 < JackHanna> MACLOTS UNITE!
19:01 < JackHanna> anyone home
19:21 < pogma> nobody home
19:22 < JackHanna> :(
19:22 < JackHanna> and I was hoping to talk shop...
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19:30 < eurisko> hi there people
19:30 < eurisko> just to really let you know that i am loving fink :D
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21:21 < akh_on_tiger> nick akh
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