--- Log opened Sun Jun 12 00:00:03 2005 00:21 -!- baba [~baba@YahooBB220041001026.bbtec.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 00:58 -!- ringerc [~craig@dsl-202-72-144-62.wa.westnet.com.au] has joined #fink 01:12 -!- asparagui [~billy@mo-71-1-109-215.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net] has left #fink [] 01:43 -!- tehdely [delysid@dsl092-130-054.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit ["DONGS"] 02:34 -!- emp [~emp@67-42-224-94.blng.qwest.net] has joined #fink 02:36 -!- broeken [~broeken@5353014C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #fink 02:52 -!- emp [~emp@67-42-224-94.blng.qwest.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 02:52 -!- dbast [~sidabast@faui00h.informatik.uni-erlangen.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:53 -!- dbast [~sidabast@faui00h.informatik.uni-erlangen.de] has joined #fink 02:56 -!- htodd [htodd@i8u.org] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:57 -!- htodd [htodd@i8u.org] has joined #fink 02:58 -!- emp [~emp@67-42-224-94.blng.qwest.net] has joined #fink 03:00 -!- broeken [~broeken@5353014C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [] 03:24 < pogma> gotta wonder why we even have an sudo package 03:40 -!- Feanor [~astrange@feanor.developer.opendarwin] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 04:15 -!- cwr [~madvillai@dsl-202-72-170-245.wa.westnet.com.au] has joined #fink 04:15 -!- dh1pa [hlawit@aristoteles.informatik.uni-leipzig.de] has joined #fink 04:16 < cwr> is there a www page to report errors? 04:16 < pogma> fink.sourceforge.net and look at the links on the right hand side 04:20 -!- cwr [~madvillai@dsl-202-72-170-245.wa.westnet.com.au] has quit ["leaving"] 04:53 -!- bruno [~bruno@kotnet-150.kulnet.kuleuven.be] has joined #fink 04:54 < bruno> Hello 04:58 -!- knghtbrd [quacked@d172-104.uoregon.edu] has joined #fink 05:04 < bruno> Hi 05:11 -!- bruno [~bruno@kotnet-150.kulnet.kuleuven.be] has quit ["[BX] Life is like BitchX. Ya never know what yer gunna git."] 05:28 -!- Fang [~Fang@2002:53c5:c365:1:0:0:0:1] has joined #fink 05:58 -!- linuxmaniac [~maniac@249.Red-83-33-143.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #fink 06:14 < linuxmaniac> hi all 06:16 < linuxmaniac> I send rdesktop-1.4.1 package to sourceforge but after more than 2 weeks I have no news about it... 06:16 < linuxmaniac> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=1199003&group_id=17203&atid=414256 06:16 < linuxmaniac> I send a message to fink-devel list 06:17 < linuxmaniac> but no success 06:17 < linuxmaniac> is it so hard to help this project?? 06:18 < linuxmaniac> I made a vtun-2.6 package too... but this has no reply at all 06:19 < linuxmaniac> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=1211572&group_id=17203&atid=414256 06:20 -!- baba [~baba@YahooBB220041001026.bbtec.net] has joined #fink 06:26 -!- Bart_ [~hideout@pD95DF167.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:03 < pogma> linuxmaniac: no response at all? 07:03 < pogma> linuxmaniac: I'll have a look in a couple of hours 07:04 < linuxmaniac> thanks pogma 07:10 -!- JosephSpiros [~joseph@ip-246-036.oberlin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:23 -!- Feanor [~astrange@mp1-248-132.dialup.emory.edu] has joined #fink 07:31 -!- JosephSpiros [~joseph@ip-246-036.oberlin.net] has joined #fink 07:57 -!- linuxmaniac [~maniac@249.Red-83-33-143.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:02 -!- linuxmaniac [~linuxmani@249.Red-83-33-143.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #fink 08:04 -!- cianhughes [~cian@cian.ws] has quit [Client Quit] 08:24 -!- Fang [~Fang@2002:53c5:c365:1:0:0:0:1] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:36 -!- linuxmaniac [~linuxmani@249.Red-83-33-143.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:50 -!- baba [~baba@YahooBB220041001026.bbtec.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 09:03 -!- dbast [~sidabast@faui00h.informatik.uni-erlangen.de] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 09:16 -!- linuxmaniac [~maniac@249.Red-83-33-143.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #fink 09:18 < pogma> dude, I'm building it now 09:27 -!- Feanor [~astrange@feanor.developer.opendarwin] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:29 -!- Feanor [~astrange@mp1-248-132.dialup.emory.edu] has joined #fink 09:37 < linuxmaniac> pogma, new versions of vtun.info and vtun.patch uploaded to sourceforge 09:37 < linuxmaniac> thanks for your time 09:38 < pogma> linuxmaniac: There are other issues, I'll be another 10 minutes 09:38 < pogma> linuxmaniac: Source: should be "mirror:sourceforge:%n/%n-%v.tar.gz 09:39 < pogma> linuxmaniac: it fails with --build-as-nobody 09:39 < pogma> linuxmaniac: It depends: openssl, openssl097-shlibs 09:40 < pogma> linuxmaniac: those packages are different, if it really needs openssl at runtime it ought to depend: openssl097, openssl097-shlibs 09:41 < pogma> linuxmaniac: And DESTDIR=%d is really preferred if it works to the default installscript 09:41 < pogma> linuxmaniac: Oh, and you did not set yourself as the maintainer 09:42 < linuxmaniac> thanks ... I'm going to see this .... 09:42 < pogma> that said, how do I test that it actually works? 09:43 < pogma> linuxmaniac: I am going to commit the update, don't worry about the tracker, we can do it here 09:43 -!- drm [~drm@m3b5f36d0.tmodns.net] has joined #fink 09:43 < pogma> hi drm 09:43 < drm> hi 09:43 < pogma> drm: object to my message to martin? 09:43 * drm reads mail 09:43 < linuxmaniac> thanks pogma 09:44 < pogma> linuxmaniac: so how can I test it? 09:44 < linuxmaniac> well... 09:44 < linuxmaniac> test the program?? or test the build thing?? 09:45 < pogma> test the program 09:46 < linuxmaniac> You have to create a virtual tunnel 09:46 < drm> pogma: well, on the one hand, it's a shame that our copied-from-deian emacs policy has never been implemented properly 09:46 < pogma> /sw/etc/vtun.conf is a configuration file, needs a conffiles: I think 09:46 < drm> but nobody appears to care, so martin's solution should be ok 09:46 < pogma> drm: but, on the other hand? 09:47 < linuxmaniac> but If you want I can try to configure my server to test this thing 09:47 < pogma> linuxmaniac: well, you have tried it, and it works? 09:48 < linuxmaniac> no not jet... 09:49 < linuxmaniac> I will now configure my server and test it myself... and you can test it with me if you want 09:51 -!- dh1pa [hlawit@aristoteles.informatik.uni-leipzig.de] has left #fink ["Kopete 0.9.0 : http://kopete.kde.org"] 09:59 < pogma> how? 10:01 < drm> pogma: did you see martin's comment on fink devel "with the new behavior of dyld on tiger, -undefined dynamic_lookup should never be used"... is this correct? 10:01 < pogma> no 10:02 < drm> you might want to respond :) 10:03 < pogma> I considered it and decided against it, dyld's behavior in actually linking in all libraries even if they have no initializers and they are not used is dumb 10:03 < pogma> but that really has little to do with allowing undefined symbols 10:04 < drm> why the difference between fink's python and apple's python, though? that confused me 10:05 < linuxmaniac> pogma: DESTDIR?? 10:05 < pogma> linuxmaniac: DESTDIR 10:06 < pogma> drm: probably apple's python has no recode or something silly like that 10:07 < linuxmaniac> pogma, DESTDIR?? where I have toi put this?? 10:07 < lisppaste> pogma pasted "linuxmaniac - my version of vtun" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9034 10:08 < pogma> Oh, and fink validate just told me it did not like the "?" in Description: 10:10 < pogma> Oh, and it is GPL and links openssl, "License: Restrictive" is needed, right drm? 10:10 < drm> yes, unless there is an explict exception in the license 10:13 < drm> how dare somebody write something slashdottable if their server can't handle slashdotization! 10:14 < pogma> 10.4.1 intel on pirate sites 10:14 < pogma> ? 10:15 < drm> yup 10:15 < drm> just wanted to read about it... i don't even own any intel hardware 10:16 < drm> waiting for my "powerbook pentium" 10:17 < pogma> what is very silly is that this software says "GPL" on sf.net/projects/vtun, does not include the required COPYING file and has a note in README "includes software developed by the OpenSSL Project" 10:17 < pogma> so the license is? 10:17 < drm> restrictive 10:17 < pogma> aw, can't we have a new one - "stupid" 10:17 < drm> restrictive is the default, unless we are sure we have permission to distribute 10:17 < pogma> please!! 10:18 < drm> ok, just this once :) 10:18 < bbraun> EDOOFUS 10:18 < drm> hey bbraun 10:18 < bbraun> howdy drm 10:18 < drm> up with the chickens, eh? 10:18 < bbraun> sadly, I'm used to getting up early, and can't prevent it. even on weekends. 10:19 < drm> partying until 3 am usually works 10:19 < bbraun> hmm. haven't tried that. 10:20 < pogma> heh, doubt that drm has tried it recently either :) 10:20 < bbraun> hehe 10:20 < drm> yes... my advice was from memory :) 10:21 < linuxmaniac> pogma, how can I build-as-nobody ?? 10:21 < pogma> linuxmaniac: fink -Kk --build-as-nobody build vtun 10:21 < drm> bbraun: by the way, my internet access is going to be very unreliable for the next month or so, so if any fink-core guys like pogma should approach you and want access to finkbindist on sancho, please give it to them... you just gotta add them to the fink group, actually 10:22 < bbraun> ok, sounds good. 10:22 < drm> there's an update script which keeps everything owned by group:fink 10:22 < drm> and group-writable 10:22 < pogma> sigh, drm, you'll need to send me mail explaining things 10:22 < drm> pogma: will send it to everyone 10:24 * pogma wonders if this is the precursor to drm passing on the bindist duties 10:24 < linuxmaniac> pogma, I get error "fink: unknown option: build-as-nody" 10:25 < drm> pogma: i'm mainly bringing it up because there are instances like "aterm" where we may need an update as soon as it is available 10:25 < pogma> linuxmaniac: ah, you need a newer fink, no worries, what is your name and email for the Maintainer: field, and I'll commit what I have to unstable in 10.3 and 10.4-transitional 10:26 < pogma> drm: As long as it is not going to be a case of "Ha, you touched it, you're IT" 10:26 < linuxmaniac> pogma: Victor Seva 10:27 < pogma> Victor, congratulations :) 10:27 < drm> pogma: no, not at all 10:28 < linuxmaniac> but... 10:28 < linuxmaniac> If you put DESTDIR... on installscript 10:29 < linuxmaniac> you get /sw/src/root-vtun-2.6-4/sw/.... etc 10:29 < linuxmaniac> on deb 10:29 < linuxmaniac> is this correct?? 10:29 < pogma> nope 10:29 < linuxmaniac> or I missed something?? 10:31 < lisppaste> pogma annotated #9034 with "vtun" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9034#1 10:32 < pogma> linuxmaniac: if you are okay with that I will commit now 10:33 < pogma> linuxmaniac: if not, I'm going to bed :) 10:33 < linuxmaniac> yeah 10:34 < linuxmaniac> commit now 10:34 < linuxmaniac> and thank so much 10:38 < pogma> thanks for submitting the package 10:39 < pogma> please take note of the changes I made 10:39 < pogma> and ask me tomorrow about them if you don't understand the reasons 10:39 < linuxmaniac> yes pogma... 10:39 < linuxmaniac> thanks again 10:40 < pogma> no worries 11:16 -!- Feanor [~astrange@feanor.developer.opendarwin] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:19 -!- rand-irc_ [~rand@209.89.24.184] has joined #fink 11:19 -!- swix_ [om@u1.omx.ch] has joined #fink 11:19 -!- Airo_ [ojt@vapina.org] has joined #fink 11:19 -!- ctd__ [ctd@home.deigan.id.au] has joined #fink 11:19 -!- Netsplit niven.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: rand-irc, drm, Melian, swix, kane-xs, Airo, htodd, Clef, neo, BleedAway, (+3 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 11:19 -!- TXn]vIiA is now known as muesli 11:19 -!- htodd [htodd@207.173.201.47] has joined #fink 11:19 -!- cirdan [~chris@68.45.134.216] has joined #fink 11:20 -!- Airo_ is now known as Airo 11:20 -!- Clef [~Clef@69-167-25-3.stmnca.adelphia.net] has joined #fink 11:20 -!- Netsplit over, joins: kane-xs 11:20 -!- Netsplit over, joins: neo 11:20 -!- Netsplit over, joins: das_ 11:21 -!- BleedAway [whocares@193.144.75.31] has joined #fink 11:25 -!- You're now known as RangerRick 11:28 -!- Albie [~ambs@bl5-166-64.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #fink 11:29 < Albie> pogma? 11:29 < bbraun> he went to sleep 11:30 < Albie> bbraun, thanks 11:32 < Albie> Is there any way to know if a package was updated recently? 11:32 < Albie> (a non installed one) 11:38 -!- eno-away is now known as eno 12:01 < Albie> I need a suggestion. I want an app to play a wave file, from within another app, like the play from linux. Ideas? 12:18 < cirdan> use quicktime libs? 12:18 < cirdan> esdplay? 12:24 < Albie> the only problem is that esound is not working :( 12:25 < RangerRick> esound in general does work, so perhaps your first stop should be to figure out why yours specifically does not :) 12:26 < Albie> RangerRick, yeah, I had that experience in Linux as well... 12:26 < cirdan> esound is screwy on my machine :-( 12:27 < Albie> any other idea of app to play .wav files ? 12:27 < Albie> mpg321 seems not to work as well 12:27 < Albie> and madplay does not know .wav format. 12:42 -!- Melian [~blootbot@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #fink 12:42 < cirdan> !wb Melian 12:42 < Melian> Welcome back Melian, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos. 12:45 < geordie> has anyone built wxgtk? 12:45 -!- Albie [~ambs@bl5-166-64.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit ["Leaving"] 13:37 -!- drm [~drm@tux3.math.duke.edu] has joined #fink 13:38 < drm> hey cirdan 13:50 -!- drm [~drm@tux3.math.duke.edu] has quit ["Leaving"] 14:11 -!- RangerRick [~ranger@cpe-024-168-176-124.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #fink 14:11 -!- Topic for #fink: See http://fink.sf.net/ for information on using Fink with Tiger || Have a question? 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18:57 < bbraun> eh? 18:57 < bbraun> fink has worked on darwin/x86 for quite a while. 18:57 < rudy> for intel, i'm going to need it when the intel box gets here! 18:57 < newmanbe> rudy: You have to build it yourself. 18:58 < newmanbe> There aren't any binaries if that is what you mean. 18:58 < rudy> weak, /me complains at rangerrick 18:58 < newmanbe> There is no bindist for x86 anyway. 18:59 < rudy> when will there be? :) 19:00 < newmanbe> When someone makes it. 19:01 < Feanor> depending on the license they have on the things, i might end up with a shell on one to try out fink on 19:02 < newmanbe> License on the transition kit? 19:02 < rudy> feanor: we're setting up ard on the one paul bought so each of us can take a turn at "porting" or] 19:02 < rudy> our crap code to crapple 19:03 -!- eno-away is now known as eno 19:07 < cirdan> !seen drm 19:08 < rudy> seen cirdan 19:08 < rudy> stupid bots 19:08 < cirdan> !camelsmite rudy 19:08 < cirdan> hmm 19:09 < Feanor> newmanbe: yeah, i'm worried that it might not let you give out service to other people 19:10 < Feanor> i have a clever plan to increase my epenis size by porting mplayer 19:10 < cirdan> heh 19:19 < rudy> feanor: your plan will fail and your dad will catch you 19:19 < cirdan> lol 19:29 -!- eno is now known as eno-away 19:48 -!- jtyler [~jtyler@224.207-34-71-0.interbaun.com] has joined #fink 20:16 -!- drm [~drm@user-152-3-152-20.wireless.duke.edu] has joined #fink 20:16 < rudy> hello evil math professor 20:17 < drm> hi rudy 20:17 < rudy> :) 20:17 < drm> !comfort rudy 20:17 < drm> oh, where's Melian gone? 20:17 < rudy> bots are dead 20:17 < drm> and where's cirdan? 20:18 < rudy> cirdan was here 20:18 < rudy> roughly an hour ago 20:18 < drm> missed him again 20:19 < rudy> are you happy or sad at the latest apple decision? 20:21 < drm> still in shock 20:22 < rudy> i'm thinking steve can shove his 999$ rental fee up his butt, my users can wait until i buy one in late 06, early 07. 20:22 < rudy> if they gave you a hw discount key for subsequently purchasing an intel system that'd be different 20:22 < rudy> but that's a 999$ out the door to rent a box 20:22 < drm> in the short run i don't like it; in the long run it's probably necessary for the business 20:22 < drm> rudy: think of it as 2 ADC Select memberships which last 1.5 years 20:23 < rudy> it's not though, cause you have to maintain your adc membership 20:23 < drm> yeah i know 20:23 < rudy> if you lapse, they show up to get it 20:23 < rudy> so it's really 2k ;) 20:24 < rudy> but you have to give it back before the end of 2006 anyway 20:24 < drm> that's why i said 1.5 years 20:24 < rudy> stop confusing me with your adding! 20:24 * rudy goes to work on oracle, solaris and physics homework 20:24 < drm> as they say in my biz: "sdo the math" 20:24 < drm> "do" 20:25 * rudy hates the math professors here 20:25 < rudy> they always show up late 20:25 < drm> did i ever tell you the story about my absent-minded math prof freshman year? 20:25 < rudy> maybe, maybe not. did he show up on the wrong day? 20:26 < drm> no... one day he was about 25 minutes late... some of the kids had left, but some of us were still there 20:26 < drm> he said "i was sitting in my office and Joe Kohn came by and asked if i wanted to go to lunch, and i told him i couldn't because i teach during lunchtime" 20:27 < drm> then he said "if this happens again, you should call my office" 20:27 < drm> then there was a l-o-n-g pause 20:27 < drm> then he said "tomorrow, i will bring the phone number" 20:27 < drm> :) 20:28 * rudy knew math professors were all absent minded :) 20:29 * drm forgets what we were talking about 20:29 < rudy> you were talking about how you were going to order an intel mac for feanor to use ;) 20:29 < drm> what am i, his dad? 20:29 < drm> :) 20:30 < rudy> the results of the paternity test haven't come back yet 20:30 < drm> hehe 20:30 < drm> his dad's a professor too, but i don't think its math...can't remember 20:31 < rudy> it's not 20:31 < rudy> psychology maybe 20:31 * rudy is fried, 3 summer classes is fun 20:31 < drm> mmm 20:32 < drm> fried rudy...ketchup on that? 20:32 < rudy> yes, but it doesn't taste very good 20:33 < Feanor> philosophy 20:35 < drm> better than psychology IMHO 20:35 < rudy> it was one of those fake sciences :) 20:39 -!- eno-away is now known as eno 21:05 -!- drm [~drm@user-152-3-152-20.wireless.duke.edu] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:23 < cirdan> hey drm 21:23 < cirdan> whats up 21:24 < cirdan> how goes the dpkg patch? 21:24 -!- ctd__ is now known as ctd 21:24 < cirdan> didnt see it in cvs yet 21:29 -!- Melian [~blootbot@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #fink 21:29 < cirdan> !camelsmite drm 21:29 * Melian smites drm with the flies of a thousand camels. 21:35 < newmanbe> !comfort camels 21:35 < Melian> There, there, camels. It's OK. I'm here for you. 21:35 < newmanbe> !flies 21:35 < newmanbe> !comfort flies 21:35 < Melian> There, there, flies. It's OK. I'm here for you. 21:37 < cirdan> !troutslap newmanbe 21:37 < cirdan> :-p 21:37 < cirdan> !trout slap newmanbe 21:37 * Melian takes the trout and shoves it up slap newmanbe's left nostril. 21:38 < newmanbe> Melian: Tell me all the mean things you can do to people. 21:39 < newmanbe> " Melian No, newmanbe, I won't. (target invalid?)" 21:39 < cirdan> lol 21:40 -!- Feanor [~astrange@feanor.developer.opendarwin] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:42 < newmanbe> megahal: Why is Melian being mean to me? 21:42 < megahal> newmanbe: You mean to me. 21:42 < newmanbe> megahal: No, I'm not. 21:42 < megahal> newmanbe: Not that i'm not sure you can. 21:44 < newmanbe> megahal: Your English bad? 21:44 < megahal> newmanbe: English and bad english. 21:44 < cirdan> heh 21:44 < cirdan> bbl 21:45 -!- vasi [~vasi@modemcable214.145-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #fink 21:45 < cirdan> hey vasi 21:45 < vasi> hiya 21:46 < cirdan> bye vasi :-) 21:46 * cirdan goes out 21:46 < vasi> *sigh* 21:46 < vasi> bye cirdan :-) 21:46 < newmanbe> Hmm. I apparently have a new name. 21:46 < cirdan> hrh 21:46 < newmanbe> newmanbe according to spam I am getting. 21:46 < cirdan> vasi: please look at my branch... 21:47 < cirdan> want it in head soon 21:47 < newmanbe> !lart spam bots 21:47 * Melian cuts spam bots into thin stripes 21:47 < cirdan> there are 2 parts to it, not very well seperated, some code cleanup and the distupgrade feature 21:47 < newmanbe> No, no, no. 21:47 < newmanbe> We don't want more of them. 21:47 < vasi> is distup implemented there yet? 21:47 < cirdan> kinda 21:48 < cirdan> all it does is change the dist symlink and sist config line 21:48 < cirdan> not on install, but only in dist-up 21:48 < vasi> so not ready for head yet :-/ 21:48 < vasi> but i'll try to look at what's there so far 21:48 < cirdan> we need to discuss the tasks that it'll do 21:48 < cirdan> oh, it's ready for release 21:49 -!- baba [~baba@YahooBB220041001026.bbtec.net] has joined #fink 21:49 < vasi> er, what's the point of just distup'ing like that? 21:49 < vasi> just as a substitute for 'fink reinstall fink'? 21:50 < cirdan> it will not build packages if the dist line != the os installed 21:50 < cirdan> it'll tell the user to dist-upgrade 21:50 < cirdan> it's not done, but whats there works 21:50 < cirdan> there are some features i'd like it to have 21:51 < cirdan> right 21:51 < cirdan> right now i patch into the unpack phase, but am cluelss hoe to get into real_install 21:51 < vasi> k, hold on a sec 21:51 < vasi> is there duplication of effort between the new stuff and postinstall.pl? 21:52 < vasi> because there's a whole pile of code in postinstall to deal with setting the symlink 21:52 < cirdan> so if there is a bin available, download that, if not, tell the user that %foo packages can't be installed 21:52 < cirdan> umm 21:52 < cirdan> i think i made postinstall only do it on new installs... 21:52 < vasi> as opposed to upgrades? 21:53 < cirdan> and added the code to bootstrap mabe... 21:53 < cirdan> yes, cause dist-upgrade will take over upgrades 21:53 < vasi> no, i mean as opposed to 'fink update fink' type of upgrades 21:54 < cirdan> right, postinstall will not touch the dist line or the symlink, unless it is a fresh install... 21:54 < newmanbe> !lart sunburns 21:54 * Melian whips sunburns with a wet and grimy noodle just because 21:54 < cirdan> actuaclly... 21:54 < cirdan> newmanbe: i got some bad sunburn in a few placed 21:54 < cirdan> s 21:54 < newmanbe> Ouch. 21:54 < cirdan> was little damp when the lotion went on :-() 21:54 < cirdan> and ankels got it bad 21:54 < cirdan> :-( 21:54 < newmanbe> !lart bots hitting people with sunburn 21:54 * Melian puts bots hitting people with sunburn into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of bots hitting people with sunburn's hair of 21:54 < cirdan> not too bad, but bery red 21:54 -!- jtyler_ [~jtyler@243.207-229-35-0.interbaun.com] has joined #fink 21:55 < vasi> cirdan, so what happens if we decide we need to slightly change how a symlink is? 21:55 < newmanbe> I cannot see my sunburn. 21:55 < vasi> (like with the 10.4 -> 10.4-transitional link) 21:55 < newmanbe> And couldn't feel it 'till just now. 21:55 < cirdan> vasi: huh? 21:55 < cirdan> people will do a dist-upgrade to go from 10.4-transitional -> 10.4 21:56 < cirdan> that fink is symlinking 10.4 -> 10.4-transitional right now it doesn't care about 21:56 < vasi> not that 21:56 < cirdan> it symlinks dists to $distribution 21:57 < vasi> right... 21:58 < cirdan> yeah, postinstall.pl will read the current dist setting, and save it if it exists. if it doesn't exist (new install) it writes the correct one 21:58 < vasi> have you tested the code? 21:58 < cirdan> been using it 21:59 < cirdan> seemes to be working :-) 21:59 < cirdan> it hasn't stomped my dist setting yet 21:59 < vasi> ok, so i'll take a look at what you've got 21:59 -!- Feanor [~astrange@mp1-248-132.dialup.emory.edu] has joined #fink 21:59 < cirdan> i also added subs for other code to use, when determining the os x version 21:59 < vasi> in the meantime, can you mail -devel to make sure it's ok for everyone? 21:59 < cirdan> also some failsafes in case apple changes it's versioning policy for the darwin kernel 22:00 < cirdan> yeah 22:00 < cirdan> tomorrow i'll try 22:00 * vasi is still trying to figure out how to get a diff 22:00 < cirdan> going over gf's now :-) 22:00 < vasi> have fun :-) 22:01 < cirdan> cvs -z9 diff -u -r dist-up-branch-6 -r dist-up-branch 22:01 < cirdan> i think it's dist-up-branch-6... 22:01 < cirdan> maybe 5 22:01 < newmanbe> Bah, much too late to be going anywhere. :) 22:01 < cirdan> that'll give a unified diff 22:01 < cirdan> i haven't synced to head in a while, but not much has been going on there 22:02 < newmanbe> Especially when my favourite radio show is on. 22:02 < cirdan> vasi: the real install thing i'd like to do for a release, but i am lost 22:02 < vasi> that's a diff from your branch to your branch, later 22:02 < cirdan> other than that, we need to make a map of an upgrade matrix, and list the subs to be called for the different upgrades 22:02 < vasi> i want a diff from HEAD 22:03 < cirdan> no vasi, dist-up-branch-6 is HEAD 22:03 < cirdan> each time i sync with head, i tag head 22:03 < cirdan> dist-up-branch-6 is HEAD when I last sync'd 22:03 * newmanbe can make maps. 22:03 < newmanbe> Oh, not that kind of map. :) 22:04 < cirdan> but if you really want current head, just use HEAD as the revision 22:04 < cirdan> newmanbe: :-p 22:04 < cirdan> ok, outta here... 22:04 < vasi> why is there a test.pl? 22:04 < vasi> we already have a test framework man 22:05 -!- jtyler [~jtyler@224.207-34-71-0.interbaun.com] has quit [No route to host] 22:05 < cirdan> vasi: that was for me, to test various functions i was writing 22:06 < vasi> cirdan, write a test case in the t/ dir 22:19 -!- jtyler_ [~jtyler@243.207-229-35-0.interbaun.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:23 -!- newmanbe [~newmanbe@40db96358ba30251.session.tor] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:51 -!- htodd [htodd@207.173.201.47] has quit ["leaving"] 22:55 -!- htodd [htodd@i8u.org] has joined #fink 22:58 -!- citizen_0 [~user@va-sterling-u1-c5c-a-146.chvlva.adelphia.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 23:28 -!- You're now known as RangerAway 23:30 -!- vasi [~vasi@modemcable214.145-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [] 23:41 -!- statico [~statico@langworth.com] has joined #fink 23:45 < statico> how can i suggest a package to be added to fink? 23:45 < statico> the site suggests that I should become a maintainer :) 23:46 < pogma> use the package request tracker (see the link on the right of http://fink.sourceforge.net/) 23:46 < pogma> but some requests are never fulfilled, depends on how interesting someone finds it 23:48 < statico> wow, i'm blind. thanks 23:50 -!- sheilaking [~sheilakin@pool-71-104-171-101.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #fink 23:50 < statico> done. 23:50 < sheilaking> Hello, I have what I hope is a quick question...regarding installing CPAN modules for irssi under fink 23:50 < sheilaking> I have installed them under my home directory, but these paths are not in @INC (included paths) so I am wondering what is best 23:51 < sheilaking> either add my home directory path to @INC or else add the /sw/lib/perl5...etc... paths as prefix and reinstall perl modules in those directories? 23:52 < pogma> you could append your home directory perl stuff to PERL5LIB environment variable in your shell startup script 23:52 < statico> adding them to your path is fine, but you'll want to make sure you don't clobber the PERL5LIB that fink sets. 23:52 < statico> PERL5LIB=${PERL5LIB:+$PERL5LIB:}/path/to/perl/lib 23:52 < sheilaking> "your shell script at start up"...you mean my .profile file? 23:53 < pogma> if you use bash, yes 23:54 < sheilaking> k, I guess I will try that, then. That is the reason I first installed them in my home directory (this is my first time every trying anything with CPAN so...a little green and nervous here) 23:54 < sheilaking> one last question...if anyone has any idea (dunno if anyone here uses irssi, but...) 23:55 < sheilaking> I've really liked irssi since I got my Mac about 6 months ago, but just updated Fink after Tiger install and today it started doing something weird 23:55 < sheilaking> when I type, the bottom few lines get written over 23:55 < sheilaking> makes it hard to follow the conversation if you don't see what just got typed 23:55 < sheilaking> eventually it scrolls up the screen after enough stuff gets typed. 23:55 < sheilaking> really strange. 23:55 < statico> ew. 23:56 < statico> you could try alternate TERM settings, such as: TERM=rxvt irssi ... 23:56 < sheilaking> hmmm. I set that in my irssi config file? or...where? 23:56 < statico> try TERM=xterm or TERM=linux or TERM=dtterm 23:56 < statico> in your .profile 23:56 < statico> rather: export TERM=... 23:57 < sheilaking> k, thanks. 23:57 < statico> (you need "export") 23:57 < sheilaking> ah, yes, export. I needed that reminder. 23:57 < statico> (probably) 23:57 -!- statico [~statico@langworth.com] has left #fink [] 23:57 < sheilaking> thank you very much. off to see what trouble I can get into. 23:57 -!- sheilaking [~sheilakin@pool-71-104-171-101.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit ["leaving"] 23:57 -!- statico [~statico@langworth.com] has joined #fink --- Log closed Mon Jun 13 00:00:05 2005