--- Log opened Tue Jun 21 00:00:12 2005 --- Day changed Tue Jun 21 2005 00:00 < vasi> miga, the dylib name should usually be whatever the package likes it to be, you shouldn't usually change that 00:00 < vasi> how is it out of date? 00:00 < pogma> miga: for the name of the package? I'd choose devhelp1, devhelp1-shlibs etc 00:01 < miga> in the package, they only say devhelp-1.la (in the Makefile). 00:01 < pogma> Hmm? 00:01 < vasi> miga, that's normal, but usually it will build a library named 1.x.y 00:01 < miga> Hi pogma, no I mean the install the full name with major and minor version. 00:01 < miga> Yes, vasi, precisely what should be x and y? 00:02 < miga> 0 0 or 1 1. 00:02 < pogma> what do they turn out ot be? 00:02 < vasi> miga, whatever the package builds :-) 00:02 < miga> It is the first time it will exist in fink, pogma. 00:02 < pogma> fink has nothing to do with it 00:02 < miga> vasi: the package builds what I tell it to build. 00:02 * pogma is all confused 00:03 < miga> pogma: the library has not changed since the beginning the package exists upstream. 00:03 < pogma> miga: If you use the default configure & make, what does it build? 00:04 < miga> pogma, I should try it again. I don't remember. You mean outside of fink? 00:04 < vasi> miga....by default, without you changing anything, it will build a library devhelp*.dylib 00:04 < vasi> just leave that how it is :-) 00:05 < vasi> usually just trust upstream for that 00:06 * miga completely confused. 00:06 < vasi> miga, you already have a package that builds, right? 00:07 < miga> yes, but I have put a Shlibs line in SplitOff. 00:07 < miga> Shlibs: %p/lib/libdevhelp-1.0.0.0.dylib 1.0 %n (>= 0.9.2-1) 00:07 < miga> This is not correct. 00:07 < vasi> ah, for the shlibs line! 00:07 < miga> Shlibs: %p/lib/libdevhelp-1.0.0.dylib 1.0 %n (>= 0.9.2-1) 00:07 < vasi> do otool -L 00:07 < miga> This is better. 00:08 < shres> Mornin all 00:08 < vasi> so if i do otool -L on librsvg-2.dylib, the second line is: /sw/lib/librsvg-2.2.dylib (compatibility version 11.0.0, current version 11.1.0) 00:09 < vasi> that tells me that the Shlibs line should be: %p/lib/librsvg-2.2.dylib 11.0.0 %n (>= [whatever]) 00:10 < vasi> btw, the new librsvg2 is available now, you can test it if you want :-) 00:10 < miga> ibdevhelp-1.0.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 1.0.0) 00:11 < vasi> so then you do %p/lib/libdevhelp-1.0.dylib 1.0.0 %n (>= [the first version]) 00:11 < miga> Ok, that is really not clear in the porting manual, even less in the packaging manual. 00:12 < miga> the packaging manual speaks about x.y but does not define them. the porting manual may have some flags which are outdated. 00:13 < miga> Thanks, vasi, pogma. I'll test the plugin. 00:14 < vasi> miga, it's all in the packaging manual...but it's a little spread out so it's hard to just look for "what do i put in Shlibs?" if you're not sure what install_name or compatibility_version mean 00:15 -!- vasi is now known as vasiAway 00:15 < miga> Exactly. When I said it's a nightmare to understand how to build a library, it's from true live experience :-) 00:17 < miga> pogma, you promise last year to write a library building tutorial in packaging tutorial. May I dare remind you of this? 00:19 -!- KraMer [~mark@adsl-70-240-193-143.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has left #fink ["Leaving"] 00:21 < miga> vasi: the plugin is only for mozilla? 00:21 < shres> libonoboui2-2.6.1 fails with a ld:warning multiple definitions of _locale_charset, ld: Undefined symbol __. Any ideas ? 00:22 < miga> or may it be used for firefox also? 00:22 -!- KraMer_ [~mark@adsl-70-240-193-143.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #fink 00:22 < shres> the warning should not stop the build. So i suppose its the missing __. I tried a few nm's but it seemed unlikely to have a symbol which is just __ ? 00:24 < miga> shres: you're on 10.4 transitional tree? 00:25 -!- xhrl [~ThomasW@24.80.39.250] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:27 < shres> miga: if that means "do u have fink for 10.4 package" then yes. Otherwise i dont comprehend the question sorry. 00:28 < miga> could you tell me the revision number you have for libgnomeui2? 00:29 < miga> just issue a fink list libbononbui2. 00:29 < miga> fink list libbonoboui2, sorry. 00:32 < shres> Thanks, Will do that 00:33 < miga> shres: it is not meant to cure your problem, just for me to know if you have the latest revision of the file. 00:35 < shres> doh ;-), right i subconsciously read that as "mail it to the list". i am trying to install 2.6.1-10 00:40 < miga> shres: could you mail the list with your error, and paste some chunk of the compiling process to it (not here), that is some lines above this ld warning? 00:43 -!- dmacks [~dmacks@203-137.dialup.cloud9.net] has joined #fink 00:52 < vasiAway> miga, i think it's ok for firefox 00:52 -!- vasiAway is now known as vasi 00:52 < miga> So, I'll may the maintainer about it, then he can test it also. 00:59 < shres> miga: yup, will do that now 00:59 < miga> Done, this way you will have two reports. Still rebuilding libraries for the plugin. 01:00 -!- sarcazm [~sarcazm@sweep.bur.st] has joined #fink 01:00 < sarcazm> has anyone installed nessus on 10.4 yet? 01:01 < miga> not me. 01:01 < sarcazm> wants to install libdnet, libdnet-shlibs and libdnet1-shlibs 01:01 < sarcazm> libdnet installs libdnet1-shlibs 01:01 < sarcazm> nessus tries to instal libdnet-shlibs 01:01 < sarcazm> but they conflict 01:01 < miga> mail the maintainer? 01:01 < dmacks> sarcazm: I *think* we solved that a month or two ago in the unstable branch. Are you using only stable, perhaps? 01:02 < sarcazm> unstable 01:02 < sarcazm> i think anyway 01:02 < dmacks> And you selfupdated, right? Better check... 01:02 < sarcazm> yep, unstable 01:02 < sarcazm> and i did a selfupdate last night 01:03 * dmacks checks changelogs..... 01:04 < sarcazm> in fink.conf ive got; 01:04 < sarcazm> Trees: local/main stable/main stable/crypto unstable/main unstable/crypto 01:06 < dmacks> Does nessus-ssl work for you? 01:06 < sarcazm> running it now 01:10 < sarcazm> something about dependency problems on libnessus3-ssl and libnessus3-ssl-shlibs 01:13 < dmacks> We can't see your monitor, man. Try lisppasting the exact msg... 01:13 < sarcazm> heh, ok 01:13 < sarcazm> url? 01:14 < dmacks> lisppaste: help 01:14 < lisppaste> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink and enter your paste. 01:15 < sarcazm> just re-running it to get the message again 01:17 < dmacks> Please email the maintainer about the nessus libdnet mess. I can think of a few solutions, but I don't know what the "right" one is (I don't use nessus myself). 01:18 < sarcazm> the maintainer's email addr doesnt work anymore 01:18 < sarcazm> tried that a while back 01:18 < dmacks> TheSin: D'oh! 01:18 < sarcazm> and i think libnessus uses fink-devel 01:18 < sarcazm> it was some .edu address for nessus from memory 01:19 < dmacks> Oh wait, nevermind, TheSin...libnet isn't the problem here. 01:20 < sarcazm> libdnet 01:20 < dmacks> Yeah, that. 01:21 -!- sarcazm [~sarcazm@sweep.bur.st] has quit ["brb"] 01:28 < dmacks> pogma: Does the 10.3 aqbanking also need BDepends:opensp4-dev? Or is that due to some hidden Depends-of-a-Depends difference 10.3 vs 10.4T? 01:40 < dmacks> !seen chris01 01:40 < Melian> chris01 <~chris01@212.126.165.246> was last seen on IRC in channel #fink, 12h 57m 55s ago, saying: 'paste'. 01:41 < dmacks> sarcazm: Corey's webpage is alive and his June'05 blog says he's actively involved in maintaining his fink pkgs. Check there for contact info. 01:47 -!- lisppaste [~lisppaste@common-lisp.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:56 -!- lisppaste [~lisppaste@common-lisp.net] has joined #fink 02:02 -!- shres [~sshreyas@202.144.86.147] has quit ["Bye then"] 02:02 -!- broeken [~chatzilla@fswfirewall.fss.uu.nl] has joined #fink 02:08 -!- theid is now known as theid_away 02:13 -!- vasi [~vasi@modemcable214.145-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [] 02:18 -!- shres [~sshreyas@202.144.86.147] has joined #fink 02:35 -!- shres [~sshreyas@202.144.86.147] has quit ["Gnite"] 02:45 < miga> dmacks: are you here? 02:45 < dmacks> miga: One moment...I'm in the middle of a cvs-commit. 02:45 < miga> np. 02:50 < dmacks> Okay... 03:02 -!- shres [~sshreyas@202.144.86.147] has joined #fink 03:04 -!- Fang [~Fang@2002:53c5:c2c3:1:0:0:0:1] has joined #fink 03:10 < dmacks> miga: What's up? 03:18 < miga> dmacks: do you think the problem reported on libbonoboui2 on fink-gnome-core is a missing export dydlxxx before the name of the file in Shlibs field? 03:20 < dmacks> I don't think so. The Shlibs field in a .info has no effect on any compiler command or env variable. 03:21 < miga> that means it is in the Makefile? 03:21 < miga> Seems strange to me I had no problem with this library. 03:22 < miga> But I have right now with dpkg (the new one). It seems that it does not take into account the indexing. 03:27 < dmacks> There actually is a function called _ (an underscore), so a symbol __ isn't as unlikely as he thinks. 03:28 < miga> Yes, that I'm sure, but how does it come that he cannot compile it? 03:31 < dmacks> Missing -l flag for whatever lib supplies it? 03:31 < miga> I did not try. Should I? 03:32 < dmacks> Or there's a -h that is supposed to #define it as a macro, but he's got either a broken .h or there's a missing BuildDepends so he's getting the "wrong" one (maybe Apple's doesn't define it the same way) 03:33 < miga> That is he is building libbonobui2, which build libbonoboui2-shlibs, so that it does not exist at this time. Is not the case where export blah-blah should be used? 03:33 < dmacks> I have no idea:( 03:33 < miga> It's in the packaging manual, if I remind well. Wait, I'll look. 03:34 -!- drm [~drm@cfw-33.science.uva.nl] has joined #fink 03:34 < dmacks> What's up, drm.nl! 03:34 < drm> not much 03:34 < drm> just committed a boatload of "GCC: 3.3" additions 03:34 < dmacks> Cool. 03:35 < drm> now trying to figure out what we should about 120 pkgs in stable whose GCC field is probably not needed 03:37 < dmacks> Remove them? 03:38 < miga> It is in the porting manual: "To use a library that is not yet installed, you can set the DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH environment variable". Is it correct? 03:38 < dmacks> Well that will do exactly what it says, but I'm not sure that's what the solution is:) 03:39 < miga> Oh, then. 03:39 < drm> miga: probably we should change that to DYLD_FALLBACK_LIBRARY_PATH 03:39 < dmacks> libtool should be handling all of that kind of mess. 03:40 < miga> ok, should I try it? Though not sure if it is a good test, as libbonoboui2 compiled fine for me. 03:40 < drm> dmacks: yeah... i want to give the maintainers a chance to look at them, though... just because i didn't see evidence of g++ use in the build log doesn't mean it isn't used 03:41 < dmacks> Try compiling it with and without having it already installed. That way you'll know if that is related to the problem. 03:41 < miga> OK. 03:44 < miga> I have a little problem with gnome-vfs2-ssl; the revision number is 15 on 10.4-transitional unstable; and the revision number for gnome-vfs2 is 17; so that it always wants to install gnome-vfs2 instead of gnome-vfs2-ssl when doing a fink update-all. Is it on purpose? 03:45 < drm> no 03:45 < dmacks> If gnome-vfs2 is not installed, then an "update-all" won't install it. (unless it's a dependency of something else) 03:45 < drm> ok, time for the first lecture...bbl 03:45 < dmacks> Fun fun:) 03:45 -!- drm [~drm@cfw-33.science.uva.nl] has quit ["Leaving"] 03:45 < miga> Yes, but if it is installed, it makes a chock with gnome-vfs2. 03:46 < dmacks> ? 03:47 < miga> I mean if gnome-vfs2-ssl was installed, doing a fink update-all wants to install gnome-vfs2 and then it refuses because of gnome-vfs2-ssl-shlibs vs gnome-vfs2-shlibs. 03:47 < dmacks> If gnome-vfs2-ssl is installed, *why* does it want o install gnome-vfs2? 03:48 < dmacks> (assuming gnome-vfs2 is not installed at the time) 03:49 < miga> Because it wants to update say libbonobui2. 03:49 < dmacks> Does libbonoboui2 depend on just gnome-vfs2, or is it gnome-vfs2-ssl|gnome-vfs2 ? 03:50 < miga> No, both. 03:50 < miga> gnome-vfs2 (>= 2.6.0-1) | gnome-vfs2-ssl (>= 2.6.0-1) 03:51 < dmacks> The revision#s is not the reason this is happening for you. 03:51 < miga> maybe it is that I installed somewhere in the past gnome-vfs2. 03:52 < miga> then removed it, and installed gnome-vfs2-ssl? 03:53 < miga> Well; I will remove the non ssl versions, and install the ssl. To be sure all is in the correst state. 03:54 < dmacks> I'm Sounds good. The only reason a pkg will be installed during update-all is if it is already installed (but an older %v-%r) or is a non-optional requirement of a package that will be built/installed. 03:54 < miga> OK, I reproduce the error with libbonoboui2. 03:54 < dmacks> Ask me tomorrow....I'm -> bed. 03:55 < miga> But, I'll make a proper installation right now (gnome-vfs2-ssl) and retry. 03:55 -!- dmacks [~dmacks@dmacks.active.supporter.pdpc] has quit ["leaving"] 03:55 < miga> Good night and thanks. 04:01 -!- zapalotta [~steve@pD95B3032.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #fink 04:01 < zapalotta> hello 04:01 < zapalotta> how do I tell apt-get to download an already installed package? Or does it store them after installing? 04:07 -!- Albie [~ambs@eremita.di.uminho.pt] has joined #fink 04:42 -!- Feanor [~astrange@feanor.developer.opendarwin] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:44 -!- shres [~sshreyas@202.144.86.147] has quit ["Gnite"] 04:49 -!- JesseW [~chatzilla@JesseW.student.supporter.pdpc] has joined #fink 04:49 -!- shres [~sshreyas@202.144.86.147] has joined #fink 04:49 < JesseW> good morning shres 04:51 -!- JesseW [~chatzilla@JesseW.student.supporter.pdpc] has quit [Client Quit] 04:57 < miga> shres: you're around? 05:03 < shres> miga: yup, I have Berkley database with ssl 05:03 < miga> ok, do you have any ssl package installed? 05:03 < miga> stupid question, of course you have. 05:04 < miga> I can reproduce your error. I'll test a change, then I'll tell you if I come to any positive result. 05:05 < shres> cool, Thanks :-) 05:06 < shres> btw i need libgnomeprint-2.2 > = 2.8.0 for building current evolution cvs. Would creating a fink package for the same since i cant see one be of any use ? 05:06 < miga> Sorry I don't understand. 05:08 < shres> the latest version of libgnomeprint in fink is 2.6.2. But the latest evolution would need 2.8.0 so i am planning to build a fink package out of it. Would putting that up for approval be of use to anybody ? 05:09 < shres> i am slightly unsure of whether it will be totally out of place with the older packages in the gnome experimental tree 05:09 -!- FilipeSanCheZ [~FilipeSan@adsl-64-172-182-95.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #fink 05:09 -!- kmike [~michael@adsl-64-172-182-95.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #fink 05:09 < miga> You should make sure that it does not imply using another higher version of another package, then if it does, you should also make a fink package for it. If you understand what I mean, you may have some packages to make info files for :-) 05:10 < FilipeSanCheZ> Jedermann sprechen Deutsches innen hier? 05:10 < kmike> Weibchenesel Esel spreche ich Deutsches. 05:11 < FilipeSanCheZ> Sehr gut. Können Sie mir mit fink helfen. Ich möchte meine homosexuelle Pornographie eines linuxfensters mit dieser wundervollen Software weg downloaden. Ich genieße sie sehr viel. Ich tat ein "fink anbringe Pornographiequelle", aber es funktionierte nicht. 05:11 < shres> miga: heh, yes i did think of that. But fortunately it does not break anything under it like orbit and so 05:11 < kmike> Ja kann ich Ihnen mit Informanten helfen. Informant ist das Bumsen dumm. Ich denke, daß Unix ein Bündel bullcrap ist und Sie nicht für es Sie sogar sich interessieren sollten bumsender Esel. 05:12 < shres> so should be allrite 05:12 < FilipeSanCheZ> My ate uses Linux. 05:13 < kmike> Mein Penis ist weglaufen Unix Bd. 05:13 < miga> Then go for it, shres, fink is missing packagers for gnome. 05:13 < shres> sure, i will give it a try 05:13 < miga> Filipe und kmike sind Sie Schweine? 05:14 < FilipeSanCheZ> Sehen wir wie Schweine aus? Wir sind nicht Schweine. Haben Sie kein Respekt für Erwachsene? 05:14 < kmike> Weibchenesel Bumser. Wer Sie denken, rufen Sie mich ein Schwein an. Ich bin gona Schlag Ihr homosexuelles Esel Weibche 05:14 -!- ringerc [~craig@dsl-202-72-144-62.wa.westnet.com.au] has quit ["Whoops, someone let the magic smoke out!"] 05:15 < miga> Sie können nicht sagen es gibt nur Erwaschene hier, das wissen sie nicht. 05:15 < FilipeSanCheZ> Ihre Grammatik ist sehr schlecht. 05:15 < kmike> Sowieso Filipe haben Sie einen grossen Penis. Ich habe ein kleines. Ich möchte handeln. Ich schicke Ihnen Bd Pakete mit dem Informantkommandanten. Abkommen. 05:15 < miga> Und danach ist es keine Grund, um Erwachsene zu schokieren. 05:16 < miga> Das ist mir ganz egal, sie verstehen, was ich schreibe. 05:16 < FilipeSanCheZ> O.K., informiere ich den Kommandanten über die Ankunft Ihres Pakets. Er ist sehr erfreut. 05:17 < kmike> Dood sind Sie nicht ein wirklicher Deutscher. Sie sind ein Sissymann in Ihrer Mädchenunterwäsche. Ich denke, daß Sie einen grossen Penis wachsen sollten und zu erlernen zu sagen danke. 05:17 < FilipeSanCheZ> PRIVAT! 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Seien Sie ruhiger Sir. 05:18 < kmike> Ich bin herausnehme Ihnen wenig Penis und gebe mir einen Tanz herum mit dem Kolben Ihr allgemeines. 05:19 < FilipeSanCheZ> Gleichzeitig mit dieser politischen Reinigung unseres allgemeinen Lebens, nimmt sich die Regierung des Reich ein vollständiges moralisches Bereinigen von juristisch von der Nation auf. Das gesamte pädagogische System, das Theater, das Kino, Literatur, die Presse und der aller Radioapparat - werden diese als Mittel zu diesem Zweck verwendet und bewertet dementsprechend. Sie müssen aller Serve für die Wartung der ewig 05:19 < FilipeSanCheZ> en Werte, die im wesentlichen Buchstaben unserer Leute vorhanden sind. Von kunst immer bleibt der Ausdruck und die Reflexion die longings und die Wirklichkeiten einer Ära. Die internationale Nullhaltung von aloofness verschwindet schnell. Heroism kommt vorwärts leidenschaftlich und wird in zukünftiger Form und politisches Schicksal der Leitung. Es ist die Aufgabe der kunst, der Ausdruck dieses Bestimmungsgeists des 05:19 < FilipeSanCheZ> Alters zu sein. Blut und Rennen werden noch einmal die Quelle der künstlerischen Intuition.... 05:20 < FilipeSanCheZ> Ist hier ein Teil der Anzeige: 05:20 < FilipeSanCheZ> Im November 1918, ergriffen marxistische Organisationen die Executivenergie mittels einer Umdrehung. Die Monarchen waren dethroned, die Behörden des Reich und der Zustände, die vom Büro entfernt wurden, und dadurch wurde ein Bruch der Beschaffenheit festgelegt. Der Erfolg der Umdrehung in einer materiellen Richtung schützte die schuldigen Beteiligten vor den Händen des Gesetzes. Sie suchten, ihn moralisch zu recht 05:20 < FilipeSanCheZ> fertigen, indem sie daß Deutschland oder seine Regierungsausbohrung die Schuld für den Ausbruch des Krieges erklärten. Diese Behauptung war absichtlich und wirklich untrue. 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Die Einrichtung solch einer solidarität von Ansichten in deutsche juristisch ist wichtiger, denn es ist nur dadurch, daß die Möglichkeit vom Beibehalten der freundlichen Relationen mit fremden Energien ohne Rücksicht auf die Tendenzen oder die allgemeinen Grun 05:20 < kmike> Was über sunriseWhat über rainWhat über das ganzes thingsThat, das Sie sagten, daß wir gewinnen sollten..., was über Tötung fieldsIs dort ein timeWhat über das ganzes thingsThat Sie sagten, Ihr war und meinen... 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Führung Wikipedia ist sehr privat. Ich bin froh, daß er uns diese Form der Kommunikation zeigte. 05:23 < FilipeSanCheZ> Ich mag nicht schwarze Männer. Sie riechen wie Whisky und werden in der Dunkelheit versteckt. 05:23 < kmike> Stoppen Sie, Sie zu übersetzen stumme Idioten. Ich denke, daß Sie reales Deutsches erlernen sollten. 05:23 < miga> I'm sorry, I'm leaving and will certainly not return until someone bans those persons who make this channel feel like a sex shop. 05:23 < FilipeSanCheZ> SCHWARZE MÄNNER SIND GANZ WIE MEINEN HUND, SMELLY UND FAULES. 05:23 -!- miga [~miga@easyconnect2121138-139.clients.easynet.fr] has quit ["Bye, I'm leaving"] 05:24 < FilipeSanCheZ> Wie ein Geschlechtgeschäft? Die Materialien, die wir uns besprechen, sind nicht von dieser Natur gleichmäßig. 05:24 < kmike> Wir haben gewartet, also kann longJust nicht es halten, zurück kein moreCreepin ' auf und ab Zeit der nowIts für mich es goIf lassen Sie, Sie wirklich zum seeWhat wünschen, wir für youSend das verrückte wildin tun können ' Stati 05:25 < FilipeSanCheZ> Gleichzeitig mit dieser politischen Reinigung unseres allgemeinen Lebens, nimmt sich die Regierung des Reich ein vollständiges moralisches Bereinigen von juristisch von der Nation auf. Das gesamte pädagogische System, das Theater, das Kino, Literatur, die Presse und der aller Radioapparat - werden diese als Mittel zu diesem Zweck verwendet und bewertet dementsprechend. Sie müssen aller Serve für die Wartung der ewig 05:25 < FilipeSanCheZ> en Werte, die im wesentlichen Buchstaben unserer Leute vorhanden sind. Kunst bleibt immer der Ausdruck und die Reflexion der longings und der Wirklichkeiten einer Ära. Die internationale Nullhaltung von aloofness verschwindet schnell. Heroism kommt vorwärts leidenschaftlich und wird in der zukünftigen Form und im politischen Schicksal der Leitung. Es ist die Aufgabe der kunst, der Ausdruck dieses Bestimmungsgeists 05:25 < FilipeSanCheZ> des Alters zu sein. Blut und Rennen werden noch einmal die Quelle der künstlerischen Intuition...., Unsere zugelassenen Anstalten müssen für die Wartung dieser nationalen Gemeinschaft vor allem dienen. Die unwiderrufbaren ness der Richter müssen eine Richtung der Verantwortlichkeit und der Übung der Diskretion in ihren Urteilen in den Interessen der Gesellschaft sicherstellen. Nicht können die Einzelperson aber 05:25 < FilipeSanCheZ> die Nation als Ganzes die Mitte des gesetzgebenden solicitude alleine sein. Hohes treason und Treachery zur Nation werden ruthlessly zukünftig ausgerottet. Die Grundlagen des Bestehens von Gerechtigkeit können nicht anders als die Grundlagen des Bestehens der Nation sein. Die Regierung, behebend, sich die politische und moralische Reinigung unseres allgemeinen Lebens aufzunehmen, ist, sichernd verursachend und die Be 05:25 < FilipeSanCheZ> dingungen, die für eine wirklich profunde Wiederbelebung des frommen Lebens notwendig sind. Die Vorteile einer persönlichen und politischen Natur, die aus dem Vergleichen mit atheistischen Organisationen entstehen konnte, würden nicht die Konsequenzen überwiegen, die in der Zerstörung der allgemeinen moralischen grundlegenden Werte offensichtlich werden würden 05:25 < kmike> Ausdruck dieses Bestimmungsgeists 05:25 < kmike> FilipeSanCheZ des Alters zu sein. Blut und Rennen werden noch einmal die Quelle der künstlerischen Intuition...., Unsere zugelassenen Anstalten müssen für die Wartung dieser nationalen Gemeinschaft vor allem dienen. Die unwiderrufbaren ness der Richter müssen eine Richtung der Verantwortlichkeit und der Übung der Diskretion in ihren Urteilen in den Interessen der Gesellschaft sicherstellen. Nicht können die Einzelperson a 05:25 < kmike> ber 05:25 < kmike> FilipeSanCheZ die Nation als Ganzes die Mitte des gesetzgebenden solicitude alleine sein. Hohes treason und Treachery zur Nation werden ruthlessly zukünftig ausgerottet. Die Grundlagen des Bestehens von Gerechtigkeit können nicht anders als die Grundlagen des Bestehens der Nation sein. Die Regierung, behebend, sich diAusdruck dieses Bestimmungsgeists 05:25 < kmike> FilipeSanCheZ des Alters zu sein. Blut und Rennen werden noch einmal die Quelle der künstlerischen Intuition...., Unsere zugelassenen Anstalten müssen für die Wartung dieser nationalen Gemeinschaft vor allem dienen. Die unwiderrufbaren ness der Richter müssen eine Richtung der Verantwortlichkeit und der Übung der Diskretion in ihren Urteilen in den Interessen der Gesellschaft sicherstellen. Nicht können die Einzelperson a 05:25 < kmike> ber 05:25 < kmike> FilipeSanCheZ die Nation als Ganzes die Mitte des gesetzgebenden solicitude alleine sein. Hohes treason und Treachery zur Nation werden ruthlessly zukünftig ausgerottet. Die Grundlagen des Bestehens von Gerechtigkeit können nicht anders als die Grundlagen des Bestehens der Nation sein. Die Regierung, behebend, sich diAusdruck dieses Bestimmungsgeists 05:25 < kmike> FilipeSanCheZ des Alters zu sein. Blut und Rennen werden noch einmal die Quelle der künstlerischen Intuition...., Unsere zugelassenen Anstalten müssen für die Wartung dieser nationalen Gemeinschaft vor allem dienen. Die unwiderrufbaren ness der Richter müssen eine Richtung der Verantwortlichkeit und der Übung der Diskretion in ihren Urteilen in den Interessen der Gesellschaft sicherstellen. Nicht können die Einzelperson a 05:25 < kmike> be 05:25 < kmike> Ausdruck dieses Bestimmungsgeists 05:26 < kmike> FilipeSanCheZ des Alters zu sein. Blut und Rennen werden noch einmal die Quelle der künstlerischen Intuition...., Unsere zugelassenen Anstalten müssen für die Wartung dieser nationalen Gemeinschaft vor allem dienen. Die unwiderrufbaren ness der Richter müssen eine Richtung der Verantwortlichkeit und der Übung der Diskretion in ihren Urteilen in den Interessen der Gesellschaft sicherstellen. Nicht können die Einzelperson a 05:26 < kmike> ber 05:26 < kmike> FilipeSanCheZ die Nation als Ganzes die Mitte des gesetzgebenden solicitude alleine sein. Hohes treason und Treachery zur Nation werden ruthlessly zukünftig ausgerottet. Die Grundlagen des Bestehens von Gerechtigkeit können nicht anders als die Grundlagen des Bestehens der Nation sein. Die Regierung, behebend, sich diAusdruck dieses Bestimmungsgeists 05:26 < kmike> FilipeSanCheZ des Alters zu sein. Blut und Rennen werden noch einmal die Quelle der künstlerischen Intuition...., Unsere zugelassenen Anstalten müssen für die Wartung dieser nationalen Gemeinschaft vor allem dienen. Die unwiderrufbaren ness der Richter müssen eine Richtung der Verantwortlichkeit und der Übung der Diskretion in ihren Urteilen in den Interessen der Gesellschaft sicherstellen. Nicht können die Einzelperson a 05:26 < kmike> ber 05:26 < kmike> FilipeSanCheZ die Nation als Ganzes die Mitte des gesetzgebenden solicitude alleine sein. Hohes treason und Treachery zur Nation werden ruthlessly zukünftig ausgerottet. Die Grundlagen des Bestehens von Gerechtigkeit können nicht anders als die Grundlagen des Bestehens der Nation sein. Die Regierung, behebend, sich diAusdruck dieses Bestimmungsgeists 05:26 < kmike> FilipeSanCheZ des Alters zu sein. Blut und Rennen werden noch einmal die Quelle der künstlerischen Intuition...., Unsere zugelassenen Anstalten müssen für die Wartung dieser nationalen Gemeinschaft vor allem dienen. Die unwiderrufbaren ness der Richter müssen eine Richtung der Verantwortlichkeit und der Übung der Diskretion in ihren Urteilen in den Interessen der Gesellschaft sicherstellen. Nicht können die Einzelperson a 05:26 < kmike> be 05:26 < kmike> Ausdruck dieses Bestimmungsgeists 05:26 < kmike> FilipeSanCheZ des Alters zu sein. Blut und Rennen werden noch einmal die Quelle der künstlerischen Intuition...., Unsere zugelassenen Anstalten müssen für die Wartung dieser nationalen Gemeinschaft vor allem dienen. Die unwiderrufbaren ness der Richter müssen eine Richtung der Verantwortlichkeit und der Übung der Diskretion in ihren Urteilen in den Interessen der Gesellschaft sicherstellen. Nicht können die Einzelperson a 05:26 < kmike> ber 05:26 < kmike> FilipeSanCheZ die Nation als Ganzes die Mitte des gesetzgebenden solicitude alleine sein. Hohes treason und Treachery zur Nation werden ruthlessly zukünftig ausgerottet. Die Grundlagen des Bestehens von Gerechtigkeit können nicht anders als die Grundlagen des Bestehens der Nation sein. Die Regierung, behebend, sich diAusdruck dieses Bestimmungsgeists 05:26 < kmike> FilipeSanCheZ des Alters zu sein. Blut und Rennen werden noch einmal die Quelle der künstlerischen Intuition...., Unsere zugelassenen Anstalten müssen für die Wartung dieser nationalen Gemeinschaft vor allem dienen. Die unwiderrufbaren ness der Richter müssen eine Richtung der Verantwortlichkeit und der Übung der Diskretion in ihren Urteilen in den Interessen der Gesellschaft sicherstellen. Nicht können die Einzelperson a 05:26 < kmike> ber 05:26 < FilipeSanCheZ> MÄRZ 23, 1933 vor dem Reichstag im November, 1918, ergriffen marxistische Organisationen die Executivenergie mittels einer Umdrehung. Die Monarchen waren dethroned, die Behörden des Reich und der Zustände, die vom Büro entfernt wurden, und dadurch wurde ein Bruch der Beschaffenheit festgelegt. Der Erfolg der Umdrehung in einer materiellen Richtung schützte die schuldigen Beteiligten vor den Händen des Gesetzes. S 05:26 < FilipeSanCheZ> ie suchten, ihn moralisch zu rechtfertigen, indem sie daß Deutschland oder seine Regierungsausbohrung die Schuld für den Ausbruch des Krieges erklärten. Diese Behauptung war absichtlich und wirklich untrue. Infolgedessen jedoch führten diese untrue Anklagen im Interesse unserer ehemaligen Feinde zur strengsten Unterdrückung der gesamten deutschen Nation und zu den Bruch der Versicherungen, die gegeben wurden uns in 05:27 < kmike> FilipeSanCheZ die Nation als Ganzes die Mitte des gesetzgebenden solicitude alleine sein. Hohes treason und Treachery zur Nation werden ruthlessly zukünftig ausgerottet. Die Grundlagen des Bestehens von Gerechtigkeit können nicht anders als die Grundlagen des Bestehens der Nation sein. Die Regierung, behebend, sich diAusdruck dieses Bestimmungsgeists 05:27 < FilipeSanCheZ> Wilsons vierzehn Punkten und so für Deutschland das heißt die Funktionskategorien der deutschen Leute, zu einer Zeit des endlosen Unglückes...., Der Nation in Gruppen mit unvereinbaren Ansichten oben sich aufspalten, systematisch hervorgebracht durch die falschen Lehren von Marxism, bedeutet die Zerstörung der Grundlage eines möglichen Kommunallebens...., Es ist nur die Kreation einer wirklichen nationalen Gemeins 05:27 < kmike> FilipeSanCheZ des Alters zu sein. Blut und Rennen werden noch einmal die Quelle der künstlerischen Intuition...., Unsere zugelassenen Anstalten müssen für die Wartung dieser nationalen Gemeinschaft vor allem dienen. Die unwiderrufbaren ness der Richter müssen eine Richtung der Verantwortlichkeit und der Übung der Diskretion in ihren Urteilen in den Interessen der Gesellschaft sicherstellen. Nicht können die Einzelperson a 05:27 < FilipeSanCheZ> chaft und steigt über die Interessen und die Unterschiede von Rank und von Kategorie, die die Quelle von Ernährung dieser Abweichungen des menschlichen Verstandes dauerhaft entfernen können. Die Einrichtung solch einer solidarität von Ansichten in deutsche juristisch ist wichtiger, denn es ist nur dadurch, daß die Möglichkeit vom Beibehalten der freundlichen Relationen mit fremden Energien ohne Rücksicht auf die T 05:27 < kmike> be 05:27 < FilipeSanCheZ> endenzen oder die allgemeinen Grundregeln zur Verfügung gestellt wird, durch die sie beherrscht werden, denn die Beseitigung von Communism in Deutschland ist eine lediglich inländische deutsche Angelegenheit. Gleichzeitig mit dieser politischen Reinigung unseres allgemeinen Lebens, nimmt sich die Regierung des Reich ein vollständiges moralisches Bereinigen von juristi 05:27 < kmike> chtung der Verantwortlichkeit und der Übung der Diskretion in ihren Urteilen in den Interessen der Gesellschaft sicherstellen. Nicht können die Einzelperson a 05:27 < kmike> kmike be 05:27 < FilipeSanCheZ> MÄRZ 23, 1933 vor dem Reichstag im November, 1918, ergriffen marxistische Organisationen die Executivenergie mittels einer Umdrehung. Die Monarchen waren dethroned, die Behörden des Reich und der Zustände, die vom Büro entfernt wurden, und dadurch wurde ein Bruch der Beschaffenheit festgelegt. Der Erfolg der Umdrehung in einer materiellen Richtung schützte die schuldigen Beteiligten vor den Händen des Gesetzes. S 05:27 < kmike> kmike Ausdruck dieses Bestimmungsgeists 05:27 < FilipeSanCheZ> ie suchten, ihn moralisch zu rechtfertigen, indem sie daß Deutschland oder seine Regierungsausbohrung die Schuld für den Ausbruch des Krieges erklärten. Diese Behauptung war absichtlich und wirklich untrue. Infolgedessen jedoch führten diese untrue Anklagen im Interesse unserer ehemaligen Feinde zur strengsten Unterdrückung der gesamten deutschen Nation und zu den Bruch der Versicherungen, die gegeben wurden uns in 05:27 -!- kmike [~michael@adsl-64-172-182-95.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:27 < FilipeSanCheZ> Wilsons vierzehn Punkten und so für Deutschland das heißt die Funktionskategorien der deutschen Leute, zu einer Zeit des endlosen Unglückes...., Der Nation in Gruppen mit unvereinbaren Ansichten oben sich aufspalten, systematisch hervorgebracht durch die falschen Lehren von Marxism, bedeutet die Zerstörung der Grundlage eines möglichen Kommunallebens...., Es ist nur die Kreation einer wirklichen nationalen Gemeins 05:27 -!- FilipeSanCheZ [~FilipeSan@adsl-64-172-182-95.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:29 -!- kane__ [~kane@perl.xs4all.nl] has joined #fink 05:32 -!- shres [~sshreyas@202.144.86.147] has quit ["Gnite"] 05:34 -!- kane_ [~kane@perl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 05:43 -!- shres [~sshreyas@202.144.86.147] has joined #fink 05:51 -!- shres [~sshreyas@202.144.86.147] has quit ["Gnite"] 06:39 -!- broeken [~chatzilla@fswfirewall.fss.uu.nl] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:00 -!- Feanor [~astrange@mp1-248-78.dialup.emory.edu] has joined #fink 07:00 -!- vasi [~vasi@modemcable214.145-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #fink 07:03 -!- broeken [~chatzilla@fswfirewall.fss.uu.nl] has joined #fink 07:12 -!- Wally4u [~wally4u@84-104-39-30.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #fink 07:12 < Wally4u> Hi, can anyone help me with autoconf/Makefiles and Xcode? 07:13 -!- Fang [~Fang@2002:53c5:c2c3:1:0:0:0:1] has quit ["It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare; it is because we do not dare that they are difficult."] 07:19 < Wally4u> To be more specific, I need to know where I set the /sw/include /sw/lib paths for a Xcode GNU Makefile 07:29 -!- ronwalf [~ronwalf@138.88.110.164] has joined #fink 07:30 < ronwalf> arr, ghc still broken for me 07:31 < ronwalf> /usr/bin/ld: Undefined symbols: ___DISCARD__ 07:31 < Wally4u> hey] 07:37 -!- vasi [~vasi@modemcable214.145-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [] 07:40 -!- Wally4u [~wally4u@84-104-39-30.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit ["Leaving"] 07:41 < ronwalf> darn, and the pdb is all screwy 07:47 -!- CurtM [~CurtM@wb10.powerschool.com] has joined #fink 07:56 -!- mattimustang [~mpf@ppp6-211.lns1.syd3.internode.on.net] has joined #fink 08:08 -!- akh [~akhansen@ldx3.psfc.mit.edu] has joined #fink 08:16 < mattimustang> anyone know much about msachs buildfink scripts? 08:26 < akh> Guess not--I know of their existence, but haven't ever looked at them. 08:38 < mattimustang> just wondering..he has a filter defined that matches an error i'm getting building cfengine 08:39 < akh> ah 08:39 -!- mode/#fink [+o pogma] by ChanServ 08:40 < akh> pogme's got @! Run! 08:40 < mattimustang> you know anthing about SIOCADDRT undeclared compile errors? 08:40 <@pogma> I wanted to ban those guys who were talking in german 08:41 -!- mode/#fink [-o pogma] by pogma 08:41 < pogma> but I think I'll wait for them to return 08:41 < akh> I must have missed them. 08:42 < pogma> much more pleasure in a kickban 08:42 < akh> heh 08:43 < akh> mattimustang: I know that it's related to a network connection, but that exhausts my knowledge. 08:44 < mattimustang> yeah..i've used mdfind and found the header it is in. But if is surrounded by a #ifdef 0 ... #endif 08:45 < akh> hm 09:04 < akh> Let's see if my stupid computer can keep itself awake through a Mozilla build today... 09:04 < akh> I'd have thought that compiling wouldn't be "permissible circumstances" for the hard disk to sleep. :| 09:05 < mattimustang> ahah....found it. need to use route(4) method noy ioctl/SIOCADDRT now 09:05 -!- baba [~baba@YahooBB220041001026.bbtec.net] has joined #fink 09:05 < akh> cool 09:07 -!- Feanor [~astrange@feanor.developer.opendarwin] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 09:08 < cirdan> cool 09:08 < cirdan> just figured out the combo to a master lock 09:08 < cirdan> :-D 09:08 < cirdan> i like lost locks now :-) 09:10 < akh> I assume it's yours. :-) 09:15 < cirdan> it is now :-) 09:15 < cirdan> dound it on the floow in the gym, was gonna get thrown out 09:15 < akh> Ah, yeah. ;-) Glad it wasn't on somebody's locker. 09:15 * cirdan will be on the lookout for more trash locks 09:15 < cirdan> sssh 09:15 < akh> No comment. 09:15 -!- Feanor [~astrange@mp1-249-254.dialup.emory.edu] has joined #fink 09:15 < mattimustang> now u just need to figure out how to change the combo in case the owner recognizes it 09:16 < cirdan> there is no change 09:16 < cirdan> and they all usually look the same 09:16 < cirdan> master padlock 09:17 < akh> Unless they have the serial number written down somewhere. 09:17 < cirdan> right, which is why i wont use it at the gym 09:17 < akh> Yup 09:23 -!- kalessin [~crhalpin@adsl-68-78-232-23.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has joined #fink 09:23 -!- kalessin [~crhalpin@adsl-68-78-232-23.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has quit [Client Quit] 09:24 -!- kalessin [~crhalpin@adsl-68-78-232-23.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has joined #fink 09:25 -!- Fang [~Fang@2002:53c5:c2c3:1:0:0:0:1] has joined #fink 09:27 -!- You're now known as RangerRick 09:37 -!- kalessin [~crhalpin@adsl-68-78-232-23.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has quit ["work."] 09:40 < akh> grrr...stupid dependency engine...if I give it a list of packages to remove, it doesn't go to the root of the tree and trace back.. 09:41 * akh is going to have to install perl581-core and then remove it via apt. 09:42 < akh> (or spend forever removing top-level packages) 09:42 < cirdan> heh 09:42 < cirdan> fink remove-recursive? 09:43 < cirdan> thought we had something like that 09:43 < akh> Didn't work--the missing perl581-core confused apt. 09:43 < cirdan> heh 09:43 < akh> Hate it when virtual packages get replaced by real ones. 09:45 -!- Albie [~ambs@eremita.di.uminho.pt] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:49 -!- theid_away [~theid@207.177.103.77] has left #fink [] 09:50 -!- zapalotta [~steve@pD95B3032.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["Verlassend"] 09:50 -!- Albie [~ambs@eremita.di.uminho.pt] has joined #fink 09:52 < cirdan> slow day... 09:52 * akh hopes my 10.4-transitional update gets done before 10.4-transitional gets replaced. :\ 09:52 < cirdan> haha 09:52 < cirdan> same ehre 09:52 < cirdan> i have a few weeks of building 09:53 < akh> I've at least got KDE and xorg out of the way. 09:53 < cirdan> i suppose I could just use apt to help speed the process... 09:53 < cirdan> eh 09:53 < cirdan> fsck it 09:53 < akh> heh 09:53 < cirdan> i got xorg... 09:53 < cirdan> and ncftp finally :-) 09:54 -!- [Raccoon [~raccoon@adsl-63-193-149-212.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net] has joined #fink 09:55 * akh wonders how people used TeX back in the days of small HDs... 09:55 < akh> Guess they didn't have it on their local machine. 09:56 < akh> (just noticed that it's 148 megs according to apt-get) 09:56 -!- mattimustang [~mpf@ppp6-211.lns1.syd3.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 09:59 -!- jtyler [~jtyler@iphost-64-56-130-194.edm.wiband.net] has joined #fink 09:59 < cirdan> it was smaller 09:59 < cirdan> much 09:59 < cirdan> :-) 09:59 < cirdan> in the days a dual-floppy drives 09:59 -!- broeken [~chatzilla@fswfirewall.fss.uu.nl] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.68a [Firefox 1.0.4/20050511]"] 09:59 -!- [Raccoon [~raccoon@adsl-63-193-149-212.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net] has quit [] 10:00 < cirdan> !seen clef 10:00 < Melian> clef is currently on #fink 10:00 < cirdan> hey Clef 10:04 < RangerRick> hehe 10:04 < cirdan> Melian: seems you are wrong 10:04 < Melian> okay, cirdan 10:05 < cirdan> hehe 10:05 < cirdan> !botsnack 10:05 < Melian> aw, gee, cirdan 10:06 -!- [Raccoon [~raccoon@adsl-63-193-149-212.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net] has joined #fink 10:08 < akh> RangerRick: I cc'ed your kdebase3 account on a message--looks to be a missing symbol reference in kdebase3-shlibs from the bindist. 10:09 < akh> 10.3 bindist, that is. 10:10 * akh forgot to provide full information, even though I rag on people on the lists about that. ;-) 10:10 < cirdan> hehe 10:10 < cirdan> !lart akh 10:10 * Melian frags akh with her BFG9000 10:10 < akh> Yeah, I deserved that. 10:11 * cirdan got a new cd, henery mancini's greatest hits 10:11 < cirdan> great cd 10:12 < akh> I bet. :-) 10:14 < RangerRick> :) 10:16 < cirdan> rangerrick, you know about distcc and ccache packages, right? 10:22 < akh> He maintains distcc, anyway. 10:22 < cirdan> right 10:36 * akh enjoys my $1 USB fan/LDE combo. 10:36 < akh> LED 10:36 -!- Albie [~ambs@eremita.di.uminho.pt] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:37 < akh> Gotta have something for those train cars with busted AC units. 10:38 < akh> Not to mention the extra heat here in the office from building stuff all of the time. :-) 10:40 < RangerRick> cirdan: what about them? 10:48 < cirdan> can u take a look at my colorgcc in my exp and give some thoughts 10:48 < cirdan> i was thinking of maybe just putting the symlink in another dir and prefixing it to $PATH 10:49 < cirdan> caus eit's hard with so many things wanting to be called gcc/gcc3.3, etc 10:58 -!- regeya [~shane@adsl-sp3-cdale176.micgi.com] has left #fink ["Leaving"] 10:59 -!- Henk_Poley [~Henk_Pole@poley.xs4all.nl] has joined #fink 11:01 < Henk_Poley> Hi, I just ran 'fink update-all' and now I get this error on my Trac install http://rafb.net/paste/results/2QqMxE32.html 11:03 < Henk_Poley> I've googled and found some 'solution' (fink rebuild python24) but that doesn't help 11:04 -!- regeya [~shane@adsl-sp3-cdale176.micgi.com] has joined #fink 11:07 < RangerRick> cirdan: I don't know when I'd have time to look at it, pretty busy this week, and going out of town this weekend 11:07 < cirdan> ok 11:07 < cirdan> have fun then 11:15 < akh> Henk_Poley: Why did you rebuild python24 when the error is associated with Python-2.3 stuff? 11:19 < Henk_Poley> Uhm.. well I found a reference to neo_cgi.so that told to do that 11:19 < Henk_Poley> But okey, it sounds dumb yes :-P 11:20 < Henk_Poley> I might as well go rebuild clearsilver-py23 I just read 11:21 < Henk_Poley> The *** think is that python24/python23 wants to install berkely DB 4.2 which is incompatible with BDB 4.3 11:23 < akh> I believe it's a build dependency, so if you need to remove 4.3 manually you can. 11:24 < Henk_Poley> :-) 11:24 < Henk_Poley> clearsilver-py23 solved it 11:24 < akh> Good. 11:24 < Henk_Poley> Anyways, our previous asshole admin was already laughing at me for breaking things 11:24 < Henk_Poley> That's quite irritating 11:25 < Henk_Poley> ..when you have a mostly source based install :-P 11:26 < Henk_Poley> Now to fix my bdb downgrade 11:37 -!- ronwalf [~ronwalf@138.88.110.164] has quit [] 11:42 -!- eno is now known as eno-away 11:45 < akh> grrr...."foo may contain an application" 11:45 < akh> duh! That's why I downloaded it! 11:46 < cirdan> ? 11:46 < akh> (where foo==any app I download) 11:47 * akh wished I could figure out how to turn that warning off. 11:47 < akh> (OT) 11:47 < cirdan> ok 11:47 < cirdan> i wanna turn off te finderwarning when chang file's extention 11:47 < akh> That'd be good, too. 11:51 < cirdan> i hate that 11:56 < akh> cool--"fink cleanup" rm'ed my xfree86-4.4 sources. :-D 11:58 < cirdan> hehe 11:58 < cirdan> yeah 11:58 < cirdan> you're welcome :-) 11:58 < cirdan> i do cleanup --keep-src, or whatever it is 11:59 * akh was happy to remove them 11:59 < akh> (since 4.5 is out if I really need xfree86 rather than xorg) 12:00 < cirdan> --keep-src keeps the tarballs, moves them to src/old/ 12:03 -!- dmacks [~dmacks@203-137.dialup.cloud9.net] has joined #fink 12:04 < akh> Two dmacsen? 12:05 < dmacks> MPD 12:06 < akh> grrr....no intltool+debian 12:07 < cirdan> yes there is 12:07 < cirdan> in unstable 12:07 < akh> I mean no source 12:07 < cirdan> umm 12:07 < cirdan> there should be, it hasn't changed in years 12:07 < cirdan> like 2 iirc 12:08 < akh> Our master mirrors never picked it up. 12:08 < cirdan> odd 12:08 < cirdan> the master should have, i put it there in distfiles 12:09 < akh> There was something wonky with the source URL: 12:10 < akh> http://ftp.pl.debian.org/debian/pool/i/intltool-debian_0.30\+20040213.tar.gz 12:10 < regeya> the biggest problem with gnustep is the lack of a centralized repo 12:10 < akh> vs http://ftp.pl.debian.org/debian/pool/main/i/intltool-debian/intltool-debian_0.30\+20040213.tar.gz 12:11 < akh> (the latter has the tarball) 12:11 < cirdan> odd 12:11 < cirdan> lunch time, will try to fix later 12:11 < cirdan> try to build debconf, lemme know if it does :-) 12:11 < akh> Sure. 12:12 < dmacks> Is that supposed to be a plus char or a space in the URL? 12:12 < akh> The literal URL is : http://ftp.pl.debian.org/debian/pool/main/i/intltool-debian/intltool-debian_0.30+20040213.tar.gz 12:12 < akh> (as it came from my browser) 12:14 < akh> It's indeed a plus 12:15 < dmacks> A + in a URL gets decoded as a space by curl. 12:15 < akh> Yeah, but it' 12:15 < akh> s escaped. 12:15 < dmacks> It's *shell* escaped. 12:15 < akh> Ah 12:16 -!- Fang [~Fang@2002:53c5:c2c3:1:0:0:0:1] has quit ["Computing in Hell: the stability of Windows, the ease-of-use of Linux, and a one-button mouse."] 12:16 < akh> OTOH, what about the ...pool... vs ...pool/main... 12:17 < dmacks> ? 12:18 < akh> (the URL difference above) 12:18 < akh> I'm just saying that's probably more significant in this case. 12:18 < dmacks> Yeah...looks like need the pool. 12:18 < akh> or the main 12:18 < dmacks> (maybe curl is smarter than I thought:) 12:19 < akh> nah 12:19 -!- pnorman [~pnorman@d216-232-209-79.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:20 < akh> ugh--po-debconf has an incorrect md5 12:20 < dmacks> You could be getting a 404 page. 12:20 < akh> 73k 12:20 < dmacks> D'oh. 12:21 < dmacks> All our other Source that point to mirror:debian use pool/main 12:21 < akh> Yeah 12:22 < dmacks> Whoa, looks like I missed two users at the same IP talking to themselves in german! 12:22 < akh> Yup--pogma didn't even get to kickban them. 12:22 < dmacks> Bummer! 12:23 < dmacks> Prolly a rooted clubie's windoz machine with irc crap installed. 12:23 < akh> Could be. 12:24 < akh> lunch 12:24 -!- akh is now known as akh_eating 12:26 -!- Feanor [~astrange@feanor.developer.opendarwin] has quit [] 12:26 -!- miga [~miga@easyconnect2121138-139.clients.easynet.fr] has joined #fink 12:36 < dmacks> akh: ...*and* there's a missing %n/ pathname component. 12:36 < dmacks> cirdan: Did you actually test that .info?? 12:37 < akh_eating> ah 12:37 < akh_eating> That'd be bad. ;-) 12:39 < akh_eating> aaaaaghh! stupid auto* 12:39 < akh_eating> :\ 12:40 * dmacks thought you took the train. 12:46 -!- dreamind [~dreamind@C2107.campino.wh.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #fink 12:46 < dmacks> po-debconf tarball is still AWOL though...server only has 0.8.23, we are 0.8.17 12:47 -!- jtyler [~jtyler@iphost-64-56-130-194.edm.wiband.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 12:49 < RangerRick> http://osx.portraitofakite.com/ 12:50 -!- pnorman [~pnorman@d216-232-209-79.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #fink 12:51 < dmacks> Wow...with my modem dialup, it runs like my LCII 12:53 < Henk_Poley> What does this mean, and how to fix? http://rafb.net/paste/results/qI6iOe17.html 12:54 < dmacks> Exactly what it says...you can't have both foo and foo-ssl installed at the same time. 12:55 < dmacks> You've already installed some other packages that require foo-ssl, but now you've chosen something else that requires foo (not -ssl). Can't mix'n'match among -ssl options. 12:56 < statico> dmacks: ping 12:56 < Henk_Poley> Ah, okay 12:56 -!- hennker [flullup@dsl-082-082-239-031.arcor-ip.net] has joined #fink 12:56 < dmacks> statico: I'm about to go to $JOB...what's up? 12:57 < statico> dmacks: Just another bothersome poke regarding Cadubi. 12:57 * dmacks hasn't surfed the queue in a day or two:/ 12:58 < statico> That's all :) 12:58 < statico> Go earn money. 12:58 < dmacks> :) 12:58 -!- dmacks [~dmacks@dmacks.active.supporter.pdpc] has quit ["leaving"] 13:13 -!- ronwalf [~ronwalf@gandalf.mindlab.umd.edu] has joined #fink 13:21 -!- vasi [~vasi@modemcable214.145-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #fink 13:35 -!- hennker [flullup@dsl-082-082-239-031.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["brb"] 13:44 -!- vasi is now known as vasiAway 14:08 -!- Feanor [~astrange@64.207.61.218] has joined #fink 14:11 -!- dmacks_Away is now known as dmacks 14:14 < dmacks> Any Boston fink-folks interested in free software? http://www.masoftware.org/programs/event_single.cfm?eventid=682 14:16 < cirdan> cool 14:16 -!- Albie [~ambs@82.155.38.31] has joined #fink 14:17 < akh_eating> Crud--we're supposed to be doing stuff at the lab that day. 14:17 -!- schihei [~schihei@pD95EAB17.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #fink 14:17 < akh_eating> :-( 14:17 -!- akh_eating is now known as akh 14:17 < dmacks> boo 14:18 < Albie> boo 14:18 < akh> megabummer 14:18 < dmacks> Can't you just download that dipole onto your laptop and work on in at the seminar? 14:19 < akh> Nope--that's the problem with being an experimentalist as opposed to a computationalist. 14:21 < dmacks> g'damn reality! 14:21 < akh> If you want to call it that. ;-) 14:21 < cirdan> heh 14:22 < dmacks> Yes, yes I do. If it was just "in theory", it would have worked by now. 14:22 < akh> Sure, and it would be a perfect sphere or infinite line. ;-) 14:22 < akh> (probably the latter) 14:23 < dmacks> Hey, whatever makes the analysis easier or the equations simpler. 14:25 * dmacks can't remember if the quote about theory vs reality was from an MIT guy or CalTech:/ 14:27 -!- KraMer_ is now known as KraMer 14:28 < akh> Yeah, but when your simple equations aren't even approximately correct to first order, that's a problem. 14:28 < dmacks> Hav eyou considered scaling some of the variables? By zero, perhaps? 14:29 < akh> That'd make life simpler, all right. 14:29 < cirdan> 2hehe 14:35 < akh> hmmm...why doesn't my @INC have /System/Library/Perl/Extras/5.8.6 ? 14:35 < cirdan> perl -T? 14:35 < dmacks> Extras? 14:36 -!- ronwalf [~ronwalf@gandalf.mindlab.umd.edu] has quit [] 14:36 < akh> Well, I need something from there, anyway. 14:36 < dmacks> What's in there? (/me not on Tiger here) 14:36 -!- baba [~baba@YahooBB220041001026.bbtec.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 14:37 < akh> /System/Library/Perl/Extras/5.8.6/Mac/Glue/Common.pm 14:37 < akh> for mac-growl-pm 14:37 < statico> Extras? 14:37 < dmacks> How did it get there? 14:38 < Albie> statico here as well.. interesting 14:38 < statico> Albie: hi 14:40 < statico> Albie: Now, if you appear on my student group's IRC server, I'll *really* be impressed :) 14:40 -!- z[bandito [~z@cpe-66-8-152-129.hawaii.res.rr.com] has joined #fink 14:40 < Albie> er, no. 14:45 < akh> dmacks: _I_ didn't do it. 14:46 < dmacks> Did it come with growl? Is it in one of Apple's receipt .pkgs? 14:47 < akh> Essentials.pkg 14:48 < dmacks> And '/usr/bin/perl -V' (when not root) doesn't list it? 14:48 -!- schihei [~schihei@pD95EAB17.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 14:48 < akh> Actually, it does. 14:51 < dmacks> Are you running perl in some way (as root, or with -T, or some funky @INC games) so that those default locations aren't used? 14:51 < akh> Dunno--this was just from a "fink install mac-growl-pm586", so I'd be forced to blame the maintainer. ;-) 14:52 < lisppaste> akh pasted "output" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9281 14:53 < akh> And I've not futzed with my system. 14:56 < dmacks> What /sw/bin/perl* do you have? 14:57 < akh> perl584: /sw/bin/perl 14:57 < dmacks> Remove perl584 14:58 < akh> Yup--I'd removed the -581 stuff but hadn't bothered to check -584 15:00 < akh> Didn't do it. :-( 15:00 < lisppaste> akh annotated #9281 with "more buildlock" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9281#1 15:00 < akh> stupid auto completion. :x 15:00 < dmacks> heh 15:00 -!- newmanbe [~newmanbe@6025fa23712f8427.session.tor] has joined #fink 15:01 < dmacks> Do you have a /sw/bin/perl5.8.6?? 15:01 -!- baba [~baba@YahooBB220041001026.bbtec.net] has joined #fink 15:01 < akh> Not anymore 15:01 < akh> wait, yes I do. 15:02 < akh> nm 15:02 < akh> grrr...it's a damn Panther leftover. 15:03 < dmacks> Ayup. 15:04 < akh> Too bad fink can't Epoch virtuals to cause the "real" packages to be removed in an upgrade. 15:04 -!- vasiAway is now known as vasi 15:04 < vasi> miga, thanks for testing librsvg2-mozilla 15:04 < miga> Hi vasi. Sorry for the delay. libbonoboui2 faults. 15:05 < vasi> s'ok 15:05 < dmacks> I wonder if we could engineer a perl586 pkg that removes itself? That way user would see a new version, install it, it would remove itself, and then he'd have the virtual "show through". 15:05 < vasi> about the library special-casing, i guess i just feel that searching the mailing list or reading the error messages closely usually suffices 15:06 < vasi> dmacks, suggest something to cirdan as part of his dist-up thing 15:06 < akh> dmacks: it'd probably suffice to remove perl586-core 15:07 < akh> And that solved that problem. 15:07 < dmacks> akh: Great! 15:09 < akh> At least it was easy. 15:10 < miga> vasi: for me, the special library special-casing? 15:10 < vasi> yeah miga 15:10 < dmacks> Actually, a general mechanism for that would also use useful when a package changes names. If I nuke a foo-ssl|foo pair in favor of "foo" that has ssl support, I could make one final foo-ssl:Depends:foo and then removes itself. 15:10 < miga> The problem is that if you don't know what to do with the message, that is not very useful. 15:11 -!- Albie [~ambs@82.155.38.31] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 15:11 < dmacks> An "Obsolete:" tag in .deb would be quite interesting, mm. 15:11 < akh> heh 15:12 < akh> People would joke that we need that for half our packages. ;-) 15:12 -!- Albie [~ambs@bl6-38-31.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #fink 15:12 < dmacks> ha 15:12 < miga> dmacks: for libbonoboui2, it effectively fails to compile with ssl libraries installed. I've tried the LIBRARY PATH, etc. but it did not solve the problem, so that should be something with libtool maybe. 15:13 < akh> It's pogma's fault! 15:13 < dmacks> 1) upload darwinports.info 2) tag it Obsolete 3) ??? 4) profit? 15:13 < dmacks> miga: I have no idea. 15:13 -!- dmacks is now known as dmacks_away 15:13 < vasi> miga, what error are you seeing? 15:14 < miga> It impedes effectively to fink update-all, to use any gnome applications, etc..., unless you purge your whole tree and install only non ssl libraries. 15:14 < vasi> miga, show us the error message 15:15 < miga> vasi, exactly the same shres posted on gnome-core. 15:16 < miga> "/usr/bin/libtool": internal link edit command failed 15:16 < vasi> hmm, did you get my email about that? 15:16 < miga> Not sure, when did you send it? 15:16 < vasi> yesterday, but SF sucks :-) 15:17 < vasi> can you post the complete build log somewhere? 15:17 < miga> yesterday, ??? 15:19 < miga> Yes, of course, I should just clean my tree and retry it. May take some minutes. Is it ok for you if I post it on my web site? I'll give you the right url when done. 15:20 < vasi> ok 15:21 < vasi> yay, TEG over GGZ is finally working! it's been like 2 years since i've been trying 15:24 < cirdan> as for a package that removes itself, make an empty package with the description as "Obsolete package, remove after upgrading" that depends on the new package 15:25 < cirdan> easy enough, and a fink remove-obsolete command could remove any package with $foo in it's description 15:25 < cirdan> or even make it part of an update-all 15:25 < akh> Hmmm---yeah 15:25 < cirdan> that's how debian does it 15:26 < akh> or cleanup 15:26 < cirdan> ampty package depending on the new 15:26 < cirdan> right 15:26 < cirdan> deborphan 15:27 < cirdan> hey, there is a little hope for my data :-D 15:27 < cirdan> i might be able to get the 700G back 15:28 < akh> That's generally a good thing. :-) 15:28 < vasi> what data? 15:28 < cirdan> i screwed up a raid5 expand... 15:28 < akh> cirdan: debconf for 10.4-transtional/unstable built for me. 15:29 < cirdan> then screwd it up again 15:29 < cirdan> 1 250G container is ok 15:30 < cirdan> the other 2 and the 180G one are well... 15:30 < cirdan> maybe beyond recall 15:31 < cirdan> other than that evms on linus rocks :-) 15:31 < cirdan> and you dont have to worry about doing what i did, new versions wont let you :-) 15:36 * akh needs a better disk manager for my Linux/Windows box: My Windows program can't deal with my Linux filesystem, and my Linux programs can't talk to NTFS. 15:36 < akh> And don't even get me started about HFS+. 15:36 < akh> done grumbling now 15:36 < cirdan> haha 15:37 < cirdan> akh: they can read ntfs... 15:37 < cirdan> write is a little messy though 15:37 < cirdan> same with hfs+ 15:37 < akh> Yeah--that's the problem. 15:37 * akh needs to resize my Windows partition. 15:37 * cirdan is xfs all the way 15:37 < cirdan> teh rock on linux 15:37 < cirdan> and i tweaked it so it's real fast, better than ext3 15:37 < akh> Maybe I'll back up my homedir, and wipe my Linux stuff. It's easy enough to reinstall via Debian. 15:37 < cirdan> yeah 15:37 < cirdan> dpkg --get-packages :-) 15:38 -!- Henk_Poley [~Henk_Pole@poley.xs4all.nl] has quit [] 15:38 < akh> I'll have to burn a CD from sarge/release, but I've got some time before my partition totally fills up. 15:39 < cirdan> just run sid 15:39 < cirdan> apt-zip 15:39 < cirdan> :-) 15:41 < akh> Works for me. 15:47 -!- cianhughes [~cian@cian.ws] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:47 < cirdan> !seen rudy 15:47 < Melian> rudy <~rudy@ip68-224-184-250.hr.hr.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #fink, 7d 1h 22m 43s ago, saying: '"screw you guys, i'm going home" was my reply'. 15:47 < cirdan> !seen rudy* 15:47 < Melian> i haven't seen 'rudy*', cirdan 15:48 < akh> !seen rudy_ 15:48 < Melian> akh: i haven't seen 'rudy_' 15:48 -!- CurtM [~CurtM@wb10.powerschool.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:48 < akh> Guess Melian doesn't know from wildcards. 15:48 < cirdan> !seen rudy__ 15:48 < Melian> rudy__ <~rudy@ip68-224-184-250.hr.hr.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #fink, 2d 3h 44m 49s ago, saying: 'hello cirdan'. 15:48 < cirdan> heh 15:51 -!- cianhughes [~cian@cian.ws] has joined #fink 15:54 -!- cianhughes [~cian@cian.ws] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:54 -!- cianhughes [~cian@cian.ws] has joined #fink 15:56 * newmanbe has never been able to get apt-zip working. :( 15:56 * cirdan used it years ago 15:57 -!- akh [~akhansen@ldx3.psfc.mit.edu] has quit ["laters"] 15:58 * newmanbe just downloads the .debs and the dependencies I don't think I have onto a USB flash drive. 15:58 -!- jtyler [~jtyler@iphost-64-56-130-194.edm.wiband.net] has joined #fink 16:02 < miga> vasi: I send you the url via mail for the buid log of libbonoboui2. 16:03 < vasi> okies 16:03 -!- TheSin [~TheSin@iphost-64-56-130-194.edm.wiband.net] has joined #fink 16:05 < vasi> i gotta go, i'll look at it later miga 16:05 -!- vasi is now known as vasiGone 16:06 -!- stephano [~stephano@wb10.powerschool.com] has joined #fink 16:11 < runelind> hey finkers 16:12 < newmanbe> 'Ello. 16:12 < runelind> how goes it newmanbe 16:13 < newmanbe> It is warm out. 16:15 < newmanbe> A ISO I spent more than five hours downloading was interrupted with a server that doesn't support resumes. 16:15 < newmanbe> Other than that, okay. 16:15 < newmanbe> An uneventful day in the land of /me. 16:18 < runelind> there hasn't been any KDE updates lately, is RangerRick sick? :P 16:28 -!- __jt__ [~james@69-162-30-40.stcgpa.adelphia.net] has joined #fink 16:34 -!- Albie [~ambs@bl6-38-31.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:40 -!- z[bandito [~z@cpe-66-8-152-129.hawaii.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 17:01 -!- cianhughes [~cian@cian.ws] has quit [Client Quit] 17:06 -!- cianhughes [~cian@cian.ws] has joined #fink 17:11 -!- dmacks_away is now known as dmacks 17:12 < dmacks> runelind: Since RangerRick wasn't tying up your CPU with KDE, I decided to upgrade some of the gnome core:) 17:12 < cirdan> hhehe 17:13 -!- cianhughes [~cian@cian.ws] has quit [Client Quit] 17:14 -!- cianhughes [~cian@cian.ws] has joined #fink 17:16 -!- Feanor [~astrange@feanor.developer.opendarwin] has quit [] 17:17 < dmacks> cirdan: Do you have a list of things still using the old gettext? 17:17 < cirdan> no 17:18 < cirdan> grep -r gettext-dev /sw/fink/*/*/finkinfo 17:18 < dmacks> miga: I can cause the problem with the missing __ symbol by setting -DGDK_DISABLE_DEPRECATED, but I think my trivial example is pretty dissimilar from libbonoboui2. 17:19 < dmacks> (unless that flag is getting set somewhere in that pkg's build process or makefiles) 17:20 < dmacks> cirdan: I'm gonna bump %v for at-spi, will convert that one (it's a slow build IIRC, no reason to force it just for this) 17:20 < cirdan> ok 17:22 -!- dmacks [~dmacks@dmacks.active.supporter.pdpc] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 17:22 -!- cianhughes [~cian@cian.ws] has quit [Client Quit] 17:24 -!- dmacks [~dmacks@netspace.org] has joined #fink 17:25 < dmacks> I forget...is opening a new Terminal window supposed to cause a kernel panic? 17:26 < cirdan> hmm 17:26 < cirdan> mabe 17:26 * cirdan looks at terminal.app 17:26 < dmacks> Oh good...it worked correctly then. 17:26 < cirdan> if [ $USER == dmacks ]; then 17:26 < cirdan> panic() 17:26 < cirdan> fi 17:27 < cirdan> now who went and put that in the /etc/profile?!? ;-) 17:28 -!- cianhughes [~cian@cian.ws] has joined #fink 17:29 < dmacks> Oh right. /me can't remember what I was testing when I added that. 17:30 < cirdan> must have been testing your backups :-) 17:31 < dmacks> It's right near the if $USER==akh rm /var and if $USER==pogma cat /dev/urandom>libtool 17:31 < cirdan> hehe 17:31 < cirdan> o well, bbl 17:31 -!- msachs [~msachs@17.255.104.60] has joined #fink 17:31 < cirdan> msachs. 17:31 -!- Murr [~neeri@A17-202-20-71.apple.com] has joined #fink 17:31 < msachs> hey cirdan 17:31 < msachs> How's it going? 17:32 < cirdan> ok 17:32 < cirdan> going out right now :-) 17:32 < msachs> *waves* 17:33 * dmacks always thought msachs was more particle-like in nature. 17:33 < Murr> yeah, it's hard to determine his location and speed simultaneously 17:33 < cirdan> anti-matter. 17:33 < msachs> I'm a Switcher. 17:34 * dmacks stuffs msachs in a box with a cat. 17:34 < msachs> Nice kitty... 17:34 < Murr> if you smell almonds, try to hodl your breath 17:36 < msachs> Sounds like a plan. 17:36 < msachs> *sniffs* 17:36 < cirdan> what about apricots? 17:36 < msachs> Hmm, no, I think those are pecans... 17:36 * msachs drops dead and is eaten by the cat 17:36 < cirdan> good kitty... 17:36 < newmanbe> !comfort cat's belly ache 17:36 < Melian> There, there, cat's belly ache. It's OK. I'm here for you. 17:36 < dmacks> If Heisenberg were smart, he would have considered more than just two options. 17:37 < msachs> The moron. 17:37 -!- stephano [~stephano@wb10.powerschool.com] has left #fink ["Leaving"] 17:38 < msachs> brb 17:38 -!- You're now known as RangerAway 17:39 -!- zizban [~zizban@24-52-0-219.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] has joined #fink 17:40 < msachs> back 17:41 < newmanbe> forwad 17:41 < newmanbe> forward 17:41 < newmanbe> left 17:41 < newmanbe> right 17:41 < newmanbe> bottom 17:41 < newmanbe> top 17:41 < msachs> newmanbe, I think you just got 20 extra lives. 17:41 < newmanbe> s/bottom/down 17:41 < zizban> or the secret level 17:41 < newmanbe> s/top/up 17:42 -!- nahamu [~nshalman@tiresias.cs.brandeis.edu] has left #fink [] 17:43 < dmacks> zizban: I think you need "xyzzy" for that. 17:44 < newmanbe> Fink has a secret level? 17:44 < newmanbe> Even more up-to-date than experimental and more stable than stable? 17:44 < cirdan> yup 17:44 < dmacks> Can't tell you, dude. It's a secret. Duh! 17:45 < newmanbe> dmacks: I suppose you'll have to kill cirdan now? 17:46 < newmanbe> By the delay, should I assume that you are off doing that right now? 17:46 < cirdan> can't kill something that's not alive 17:46 < dmacks> Oh, like we weren't gonna do that anyway. Did you remember to bring that bear trap I asked for? 17:47 < zizban> ummm 17:48 < dmacks> "We'd like to have you for^Wover for a barbecue!" 17:48 < dmacks> Okay, enough goofing off here. I gotta get back to $JOB. 17:48 -!- dmacks is now known as dmacks_away 17:52 * zizban whispers "I'm a teacher and I'm now off for the summer" 17:55 -!- __jt__ [~james@69-162-30-40.stcgpa.adelphia.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:03 < miga> dmacks: actually libbononboui2 was reported to fail on gnome debian when gtk-doc-tools is present. 18:04 * miga speaks alone :-) 18:07 < zizban> :) 18:24 -!- vasiGone [~vasi@modemcable214.145-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [] 18:26 -!- jtyler [~jtyler@iphost-64-56-130-194.edm.wiband.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 18:26 -!- TheSin [~TheSin@iphost-64-56-130-194.edm.wiband.net] has quit ["Client exiting"] 18:32 -!- cianhughes [~cian@cian.ws] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:33 -!- zizban [~zizban@24-52-0-219.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:33 -!- cianhughes [~cian@cian.ws] has joined #fink 18:35 -!- Feanor [~astrange@mp1-248-115.dialup.emory.edu] has joined #fink 18:48 -!- JesseW [~chatzilla@JesseW.student.supporter.pdpc] has joined #fink 18:51 < miga> does not work either when gtk-doc is disabled. 18:53 -!- cianhughes [~cian@cian.ws] has quit [Client Quit] 18:55 -!- akh [~akhansen@68-118-244-23.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #fink 18:58 -!- dreamind [~dreamind@C2107.campino.wh.tu-darmstadt.de] has quit [] 18:59 -!- cianhughes [~cian@cian.ws] has joined #fink 19:00 -!- cianhughes [~cian@cian.ws] has quit [Client Quit] 19:06 < akh> grrr---glib2 somehow hardcoded /sw/bin/perl into its scripts. 19:06 -!- cianhughes [~cian@cian.ws] has joined #fink 19:06 -!- dmacks_away is now known as dmacks 19:07 < dmacks> akh: Hundreds of packages do that. 19:07 < akh> Yeah, and it's not right. 19:07 < dmacks> Yup. We just have never implemented a solution:( 19:08 < akh> A validator entry? 19:08 < akh> That at least would identify the problem packages, if not the solution. 19:08 < dmacks> It would only identify the problem packages *if* user has /usr/bin/perl installed when the package was built. 19:08 < akh> Though /me thinks a separate package might be in order for this kind of thing. 19:09 < miga> dmacks: I've disabled gtk-doc, but libbonobui2 does not build definitively when gnome-vfs2-ssl is installed. 19:09 < akh> Yeah--though that's the normal case 19:09 < dmacks> akh: IME most users do *not* have a /usr/bin/perl. 19:09 < dmacks> Whoop "/sw/bin/perl" 19:09 < akh> Ah 19:10 * akh was wondering. ;-) 19:10 < pogma> morning 19:10 < akh> evening 19:10 < dmacks> Many perl-script packages write "the path to the first 'perl' in PATH" into themselves during CompileScript. 19:11 < akh> Guess I could grep through /sw/bin for !/sw/bin/perl 19:11 < dmacks> (sorry...coffee'n'cookies from seminar have worn off:( 19:12 < dmacks> This also screws up intltool's XML::Parser check in dozens of pkgs. 19:12 < akh> ah 19:13 -!- baba [~baba@YahooBB220041001026.bbtec.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 19:14 -!- baba [~baba@YahooBB220041001026.bbtec.net] has joined #fink 19:14 < dmacks> (We've discussed solutions on occasion, never acted on them...see -devel "Autoconf 2.5 on Tiger" for most recent. 19:17 < dmacks> There's so much wrong with our perl setup and so many good ideas proposed to fix and so nobody-testing-and-acting-on-them. 19:18 < akh> Ah, like everything else... 19:19 -!- cianhughes [~cian@cian.ws] has quit [Client Quit] 19:19 -!- miga [~miga@easyconnect2121138-139.clients.easynet.fr] has quit ["Bye, I'm leaving"] 19:19 -!- cianhughes [~cianhughe@ti.cian.ws] has joined #fink 19:24 -!- cianhugh1s [~cian@cian.ws] has joined #fink 19:40 -!- cianhughes [~cianhughe@ti.cian.ws] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:41 -!- cianhughes [~cianhughe@ti.cian.ws] has joined #fink 19:47 < newmanbe> !lart Software Update 19:47 * Melian teaches Software Update that M$ Access is a database. No, really, a database. A real live multi-user... well, ok, not multi-user, but a database. Yeah, that sounds right. 19:48 < newmanbe> HAHA! 19:50 < akh> newmanbe: what's wrong with SoftwareUpdate ? 19:51 < newmanbe> "[18:52 37] newmanbe And no, I don't want to update iTunes if the feature only works on Mac OS X version 10.4!" 19:51 < newmanbe> "[18:55 04] newmanbe And no, I don't want to install an iSight Update because I don't have an iSight." 19:51 < newmanbe> "[18:52 04] * newmanbe should file a bug report about Software Update saying it needs your attention when it doesn't." 19:51 < akh> Oh 19:51 < newmanbe> "[18:53 35] newmanbe And no, I don't want to install QuickTime because I don't want to restart." 19:51 < newmanbe> Last one it couldn't really know, but oh well. 19:51 * akh doesn't disagree--just checking. ;-) 19:52 < dmacks> Nobody's forcin' ya to restart:) 19:52 < newmanbe> Well, I could install it and just leave the window asking me to restart open. 19:53 < akh> yup--we've done that on a WIndows box for a week and a half now. 19:53 < dmacks> The CLI version just says "please restart Soon!!!!!!" (approximate wording) and then quits. 19:54 < newmanbe> Hmm, /me should learn how to do that. 19:54 < akh> man SoftwareUpdate 19:54 < newmanbe> If Apple releases any more updates for Mac OS X 10.3. 19:54 < akh> sorry: SoftwareUpdate --help 19:54 < akh> NFMP 19:55 < newmanbe> No man page! 19:55 < newmanbe> !lart Apple 19:55 * Melian does a little 'dpkg -P Apple' action 19:56 < dmacks> Ironic that she uses a functional package-installer to remove a company that can't write one:) 19:56 < akh> hehe 19:56 < newmanbe> Haha. 19:56 < dmacks> s/ironic/fitting/, actually. 19:57 < akh> would that there were a pkg->deb converter. 19:57 < dmacks> Just generalize RangerAway's x11 thing. 19:58 < akh> Or the command sequence mcostabel used in the c++filt thread 19:58 < dmacks> hehe yeah. 19:59 -!- __jt__ [~james@69-162-30-40.stcgpa.adelphia.net] has joined #fink 19:59 < dmacks> Which will find intelligent life first, the auto-Radar-ifier, or SETI@Home? 19:59 < akh> the latter 20:00 * akh thinks the former is probably more of a black hole than -gnome-core 20:02 < dmacks> Yeah, at least -gnome-core goes into a public archive:) 20:03 -!- dmacks is now known as dmacks_away 20:03 < akh> That way people can see when their messages are being blown off. ;-) 20:08 < dmacks_away> "Handled by the next available maintainer in the order it was received" 20:09 < akh> "Your radar is important to us..." 20:09 < akh> Sorry: radar -> feedback 20:09 < dmacks_away> "I'm sorry, our computers are down right now, is there anything else I can help you with today?" 20:11 < akh> hehe 20:19 -!- cianhughes [~cianhughe@ti.cian.ws] has quit [] 20:25 -!- Feanor [~astrange@feanor.developer.opendarwin] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:28 -!- __jt__ [~james@69-162-30-40.stcgpa.adelphia.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:33 -!- theid_away [~theid@207.177.103.77] has joined #fink 20:33 -!- theid_away is now known as theid 20:34 < newmanbe> dmacks_away: It is SourceForge.net's computers that are down right now. :) 20:34 < newmanbe> s/now/always 20:34 < akh> heh 20:55 < htodd> so why is gnome-vfs2-non-ssl required... 20:55 -!- baba [~baba@YahooBB220041001026.bbtec.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 20:56 -!- baba [~baba@YahooBB220041001026.bbtec.net] has joined #fink 20:56 -!- baba [~baba@YahooBB220041001026.bbtec.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:04 -!- shres [~sshreyas@202.144.86.147] has joined #fink 21:07 < akh> htodd: generalized badness 21:07 < htodd> I suppose I'll just go with the flow and get rid of the ssl version 21:11 < dmacks_away> Why do people submit pkgs and say "these validated okay" and then "the validator mentioned the desc was too long"? If the validator bitches that something's wrong, doesn't that mean it *didn't* pass? 21:11 -!- eltino [~eltino@ALamentin-101-1-10-73.w81-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #fink 21:11 < eltino> Hello 21:12 < newmanbe> Hello. 21:12 < akh> dmacks_away: They're judging that the desc length is less important. 21:12 < akh> hello 21:12 < dmacks_away> hello 21:12 -!- dmacks_away is now known as dmacks 21:13 < dmacks> Their judgement has been judged, and has been found lacking. 21:14 < akh> Then let their packages remain in limbo for all eternity. 21:14 < eltino> I'm a total Fink newbie, using Tiger and XCode 2.1 -- According to the homepage, I cannot 'bootstrap'. Does it mean I can't use fink? 21:15 < akh> No. 21:15 < htodd> wait, gnome-vfs wants me to delete openssl stuff.... 21:15 < akh> eltino: You're free to use the binary installer package. 21:15 < eltino> akh: and I can still use unstable software and compile them from source? (like the latest kde) ? 21:16 < akh> Yes--'bootstrap' is just the initial installation from source. 21:16 < akh> You can start with binaries and then go to source with no problems. 21:17 < eltino> oh ok, that's great. thanks. I think I'm going to read some docs :) 21:17 < akh> Cool 21:17 * akh managed 3 FAQ entries this evening while on my way home. Let's see what errors miga finds. :\ 21:18 * dmacks wonders if we should condense some of the FAQ1.X, and add actually-asked stuff like "difference between Fink and fink" and the like. 21:18 < akh> Sure. 21:19 < dmacks> akh: please add a note about repairing permissions to the symlink FAQ. 21:20 < dmacks> (I 21:20 < akh> Ah, yeah--forgot that one. 21:20 < dmacks> 've got a handle on how to rewrite that test, but it's not pretty, and it'll hav eto wait until we release a new installer) 21:22 < dmacks> (...a process that really blows, so is also being overhauled) 21:23 < cirdan> akh: dpkg from unstable bootstraps 21:24 < newmanbe> !lart PDF documents on the World Wide Gopher 21:24 * Melian grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats PDF documents on the World Wide Gopher until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with 21:24 < cirdan> newmanbe: hehe 21:24 < cirdan> gopher://www.finkproject.org? 21:24 < newmanbe> I read it to get away from that junk. 21:24 < newmanbe> Sure. :) 21:25 < cirdan> should be go.finkproject.org :-) 21:25 < newmanbe> Or wwg.finkproject.org 21:25 < cirdan> dmacks: what do we need to get fink.sf.net/bugs as our main bugtracker? 21:26 < eltino> hum... One last silly question... Are the 'unstable' packages only available as source to compile? 21:26 < cirdan> yes 21:27 < cirdan> also a faq 21:27 < cirdan> :-0 21:27 < cirdan> !unstable 21:27 < Melian> methinks unstable is http://www.finkproject.org/faq/usage-fink.php#unstable , or at http://www.finkproject.org/faq/usage-fink.php#bindist 21:27 < newmanbe> !$25 21:27 < Melian> extra, extra, read all about it, $25 is "Your question is in the existing documentation, so either look it up or pay the project a $25 'annoyance fee'." 21:27 < newmanbe> :-p 21:27 < eltino> I'm sorry ;) 21:27 < cirdan> payable to cirdan... 21:29 < newmanbe> !knockdown cirdan 21:29 -!- mode/#fink [+o cirdan] by ChanServ 21:29 * newmanbe steals $ from stunned cirdan. 21:29 <@cirdan> boo! 21:30 -!- mode/#fink [-o cirdan] by cirdan 21:30 < cirdan> :-p 21:30 < cirdan> ~ 21:30 < newmanbe> Hmm, I need to get me one of those. 21:30 * cirdan tosses newmanbe an @ 21:30 < cirdan> hey! you broke it! 21:30 * cirdan takes it back 21:32 < newmanbe> Melian: Fix @ 21:32 < Melian> newmanbe: are you using Windows? 21:33 < akh> haha 21:33 < htodd> akh: so this gnome-vfs weirdness is known? it isn't just because fink hates me? 21:33 -!- Feanor [~astrange@mp1-249-123.dialup.emory.edu] has joined #fink 21:34 < akh> htodd: I think so, judging by some recent threads 21:34 * htodd doesn't read the mailing lists closely enough 21:34 * newmanbe hijacks SourceForge.net and adds a gopher server. 21:35 < pogma> htodd: there are issues with libssl and dyld, is that your problem? 21:35 < newmanbe> And removes the HTTP server and blocks all connections on port 80. 21:35 < pogma> htodd: we have msachs annoying the dyld author in an attempt to get it fixed soonish :) 21:36 < htodd> pogma: no, it's updating gnome-vfs2 is requiring me to remove openssl-something 21:36 < newmanbe> Hmm, /me can be good at annoying people. ;-) 21:36 < pogma> htodd: well, because it is not -ssl :) 21:36 < msachs> pogma: The preferred term is "gathering information on how we can best support the needs of the Fink Project." :) 21:37 < pogma> msachs: ha, didn't notice you were here :) 21:37 < msachs> I'm sneaky like that. 21:37 < htodd> yeah, well, I already have gnomevfs2-ssl installed and there's something that won't accept that instead of gnome-vfs2 21:37 -!- [Raccoon [~raccoon@adsl-63-193-149-212.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net] has quit [] 21:37 < pogma> htodd: Ah, report that error to dmacks 21:38 < dmacks> s/dmacks/vasi/ 21:38 < msachs> Any reason you're not having it setenv("DYLD_FALLBACK_LIBRARY_PATH") until we can get you a resolution? 21:38 < htodd> dmacks, msachs, how am I going to keep you guys straight? 21:38 < dmacks> htodd: The question is what is the "something"? 21:38 < akh> htodd: tab-completion. ;-) 21:39 < msachs> htodd: My nick is in red, everyone else's is yellow. 21:39 < dmacks> Weird...mine's in green reverse-video, everyone else's is normal. 21:39 < akh> wait, mine's red, every one else's is orange... 21:39 < newmanbe> Hmm, package saying to make a UFS disk image on Mac OS X. 21:39 < msachs> Looks like there's a problem with the coloring, I'll email the #fink maintainer. 21:40 < akh> heh 21:40 < msachs> newmanbe: If it contains the words "Developer Preview", run. 21:40 < newmanbe> That is more ambitious then I want to be right now. 21:40 < newmanbe> No, it's a version 1.13. 21:40 < newmanbe> NM 21:40 < newmanbe> That's the version for the platforms file. 21:40 < newmanbe> 3.0.3 21:41 < htodd> mine's in red, newmanbe's is currently ignored 21:41 < newmanbe> Except it says Mac OS X 10.1. 21:41 < newmanbe> mine's grey, lines that have a nick alert in them are red. 21:42 < htodd> dmacks: I keep trying to build things, so the errors scroll off 21:43 -!- Erik_____ [~Erik@d54C3A955.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 21:43 < msachs> pogma: Any reason not to lay something down in /sw/etc/profile.d to set DYLD_FALLBACK_LIBRARY_PATH until we can get you a resolution? 21:43 < dmacks> Bigger scrollback buffer? Use multiple windows? Otherwise the solution to "I'm having a problem doing something, it said something is wrong" is "Do something else". 21:44 < htodd> yeah, I'm thinking of using netbsd's pkgsrc instead of fink 21:44 < pogma> msachs: I'm worried that some users will have stuff in /usr/local/lib/ with a "bad" install_name 21:45 < pogma> msachs: but I guess that is not likely to be a problem for most users 21:45 < msachs> pogma: Probably less than the current situation... 21:46 -!- Erik____ [~Erik@d54C3A955.access.telenet.be] has joined #fink 21:47 < pogma> Okay, I'm convinced, we could have a temp dyld-profiled package or something that the -ssl packages depend on 21:47 < pogma> anyway, /me shower 21:47 < msachs> ttyl 21:47 < pogma> because /me smelly :) 21:48 < akh> tmi 21:48 < dmacks> Release it as part of base-files, so it's easy to force on people and easy to force off later? 21:48 < dmacks> (...until we get the Obsolete: tag) 21:48 < msachs> That sounds better to me, it'd be a drag to have to change the depends on everything that uses ssl and then change it back... 21:49 -!- Murrito [~neeri@c-24-7-119-74.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #fink 21:50 < akh> Yeah--that sounds like an invite for breakage. 21:50 < dmacks> (or if it's just an ssl issue, release a new openssl097 that does it, so not affect users who aren't affected. Unless there are others who are, like the libJPEG or other crap?) 21:51 < akh> I thought freetype was involved somehow. 21:51 < akh> (unless I'm conflating things again) 21:52 < dmacks> There is one broken thing here, and it is Installer. Installer and dyld. Well two, really. And also freetype. That makes five, I mean three. 21:52 < akh> heh 21:53 < msachs> That's what Fink needs, bright red uniforms. 21:53 < akh> I'd settle for a comfy chair. 21:54 < lisppaste> htodd pasted "ssl errors dmacks was asking about" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9290 21:54 < dmacks> I work on a floor where the average degree is a doctorate, yet they gave me a chair with squared wheels. 21:54 < htodd> that's why 21:55 < htodd> they don't want you to roll away 21:55 < dmacks> Ooo, good point. 21:55 < htodd> education*common-sense=k 21:55 < akh> htodd: vasi planned on taking that package over--may as well start the harassment. 21:56 < htodd> where's vasi? 21:56 < msachs> 'night 21:56 -!- msachs [~msachs@17.255.104.60] has quit [] 21:56 < htodd> night? it's barely evening 21:56 < akh> Only 7 pm? wtf 21:57 < newmanbe> !seen vasi 21:57 < Melian> vasi <~vasi@modemcable214.145-70-69.mc.videotron.ca> was last seen on IRC in channel #fink, 5h 51m 51s ago, saying: 'i gotta go, i'll look at it later miga'. 21:57 < dmacks> At one time, the only way to get gnome-vfs2 be !ssl was to remove openssl*-dev (it auto-detected regardless of flags). I thought we had fixed that. 21:58 < htodd> I don't want it to be !ssl, but librsvg2 (I think) needs the non-ssl version 21:59 < akh> ummm...not as such. 21:59 < newmanbe> I have a package I am making that needs to use Gopher, 21:59 < lisppaste> akh annotated #9290 with "build-deps" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9290#1 21:59 < newmanbe> and only curl (not wget or axel) works with Gopher. 22:00 < akh> So it'll depend on curl, too? 22:00 < newmanbe> Doesn't Mac OS X come with curl? 22:00 < akh> Yeah but the builtin one is old. 22:00 < newmanbe> It needs curl, but it doesn't exactly depend on it. :) 22:00 < newmanbe> Okay. 22:01 -!- Murrito [~neeri@c-24-7-119-74.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 22:01 < newmanbe> Then I spit out a message telling them to edit /sw/etc/fink.conf if they are not using curl? 22:01 -!- Erik____ [~Erik@d54C3A955.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:01 < akh> Why? 22:02 < newmanbe> Because wget and axel don't work with Gopher. 22:02 < akh> No, why edit fink.conf? 22:03 < newmanbe> Because they may have set it to not use curl. 22:03 < akh> But why should that matter for your package? 22:03 < newmanbe> Because I can only find it in Gopherspace. 22:04 < akh> ah 22:04 < htodd> uh, oh 22:04 < pogma> mirror it 22:04 < htodd> did I paste to the wrong irc channel? 22:04 < akh> #hotgirls ? 22:05 -!- Erik____ [~Erik@d54C3A955.access.telenet.be] has joined #fink 22:05 < lisppaste> htodd pasted "libgnomeprint error" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9291 22:06 < akh> install it from the bindist 22:06 < newmanbe> But it is a gopher server, it *ruins* it to download it from an HTTP server! 22:06 < pogma> newmanbe: mirror it 22:06 < newmanbe> Bah, you're no fun. 22:06 < akh> Inability to download via _all_ means is a violation of policy. 22:06 < dmacks> htodd: That LINKEND is something to do with...um...well people have reported it is all I know:) 22:07 < newmanbe> But you can download it with curl. 22:07 < htodd> just as long as it's not in the faq or something 22:07 < akh> sounds like the old "rebuild opensp*, openjade, gtk-doc" voodoo. 22:07 < akh> Or install it from the bindist. 22:07 < cirdan> whee, day 1 of building kde comes to a close... 22:07 < akh> That's why we have the thing. 22:08 < htodd> !archives 22:08 < newmanbe> !logs 22:08 < htodd> mailing list archives? 22:08 < Melian> logs are at http://meme.b9.com/cview.html?channel=fink&date=today or http://fink.aquaflux.org (currently down) 22:08 < newmanbe> !mailinglists 22:08 < Melian> it has been said that mailinglists is http://www.finkproject.org/lists/ 22:08 < cirdan> curl can download from gopher 22:08 < cirdan> wat's the problem? 22:08 < akh> wget and axel can't 22:08 < cirdan> so? 22:09 < newmanbe> They can't download it. 22:09 < cirdan> have fink not use wget and axel during gopher downloads 22:09 < cirdan> curl is the default 22:09 * akh doesn't really care, but _some_ people don't like curl. 22:09 < cirdan> i do not 22:09 < cirdan> but for 1 download it's not that bad 22:09 < htodd> dmacks: do you remember where the LINKEND was mentioned? 22:09 < dmacks> You can't force folks to have wget or axel installed. Mirror it. 22:10 < akh> newmanbe: You could BuildConflict with wget | wget-ssl, axel 22:10 < cirdan> dmacks: were not 22:10 < cirdan> you got it backwords 22:10 < cirdan> akh: no, no, no... 22:10 < dmacks> htodd: Here and/or the mailing lists, within the past 2 days. 22:10 < akh> -users 22:10 < cirdan> cause wget can be installed outside of fink 22:10 < newmanbe> cirdan: That would work though. 22:10 < akh> last posting by me at 8:33 EDT 22:10 < newmanbe> And axel too I suppose. 22:10 < akh> (PM) 22:11 < cirdan> the only way wget or axel is used is if the user forces it 22:11 < dmacks> By "can't" I mean no current mechanism in place to have fink over-rule user's DownloadMethod setting. 22:11 < cirdan> dmacks: oh, you meant to s/to/who/? 22:12 < cirdan> dmacks: right, fink needs to be updated for gopher URLs 22:12 < dmacks> Right. 22:12 < dmacks> Well, functionally right; practically, ain't gonna happen IMO. 22:14 < dmacks> htodd: The -ssl mess sounds similar to something miga observed last night. I don't understand it; redirect to vasi I think. 22:14 -!- Murrito [~neeri@c-24-7-119-74.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #fink 22:14 < cirdan> newmanbe: take over wget package :-) 22:14 < cirdan> http://lists.complete.org/gopher@complete.org/2002/05/msg00000.html.gz 22:15 -!- dmacks is now known as dmacks_away 22:16 < cirdan> bbl 22:16 < Murrito> anybody wanna take over a slightly used lazy functional language compiler? 22:16 < cirdan> intercal? ;-) 22:16 < Murrito> ghc 22:17 < newmanbe> axel has been EOL. :*( 22:17 < Murrito> I'm getting tired of trying to build it 22:20 < cirdan> newmanbe: :*) == drunk 22:20 < cirdan> :-p 22:20 < newmanbe> Not a tear? 22:20 < newmanbe> Hmm, not tear. 22:20 * newmanbe forgets on too spell water of the eyes. 22:20 * newmanbe uses Basic English. 22:21 < newmanbe> s/too/to 22:21 < htodd> ghc? 22:22 < Murrito> glasgow haskell compiler 22:22 < htodd> yeah, I know 22:22 < htodd> my friends love it 22:22 < htodd> frigging language snobs 22:22 < Murrito> for a community that prides themselves on their clean programming, their builds sure are fucked up 22:23 < htodd> hahaha 22:29 -!- Erik____ [~Erik@d54C3A955.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:31 -!- eltino [~eltino@ALamentin-101-1-10-73.w81-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 22:37 -!- Erik____ [~Erik@d54C3A955.access.telenet.be] has joined #fink 22:38 < theid> is a package considered crypto if it uses kerberos/gssapi and not openssl? (same for gnutls?) 22:39 < newmanbe> !crypto 22:40 < theid> Melian? 22:41 < pogma> theid: Yes 22:41 < pogma> theid: package is crypto if it has code that is export-restricted from the US 22:43 < theid> anyone working on the current version of gnome-vfs? 22:43 < theid> it's got some libhowl linking problem 22:44 < htodd> I'm having all sorts of gnome-vfs problems. 22:44 < htodd> scroll up and you can see 22:46 < theid> the current release has --disable-openssl 22:46 < theid> so that's probably not an issue anymore, except that it links with kerberos 22:46 < theid> I think that'll require a config script patch to disable 22:48 < htodd> which are you talking about? 22:48 < htodd> libhowl or gnome-vfs? 22:48 < htodd> not that I have anything to do with either. :) 22:50 < theid> lemme paste it 22:51 < lisppaste> theid pasted "gnome-vfs + libhowl" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9293 22:51 < dmacks_away> Crap...drm removed my no-longer-needs-BConflicts:openssl* from gnome-vfs2.info 22:51 < theid> using nm on libhowl.dylib shows that is contains the symbols in question 22:52 -!- JesseW [~chatzilla@JesseW.student.supporter.pdpc] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:52 < theid> s/is/it 22:52 -!- dmacks_away [~dmacks@dmacks.active.supporter.pdpc] has quit ["leaving"] 22:55 -!- newmanbe [~newmanbe@6025fa23712f8427.session.tor] has left #fink ["fink@conference.jabber.org"] 22:56 -!- Murrito [~neeri@c-24-7-119-74.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:56 -!- akh [~akhansen@68-118-244-23.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit [] 22:57 -!- shres [~sshreyas@202.144.86.147] has quit ["Gnite"] 23:00 -!- PUA1 [PUA1@cpe-24-170-104-248.sport.res.rr.com] has joined #fink 23:01 -!- PUA1 [PUA1@cpe-24-170-104-248.sport.res.rr.com] has quit [K-lined] 23:10 -!- shres [~sshreyas@202.144.86.147] has joined #fink 23:41 -!- JesseW [~chatzilla@JesseW.student.supporter.pdpc] has joined #fink 23:47 < htodd> well --- Log closed Wed Jun 22 00:00:09 2005