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02:07 < theid_away> GTK+ 2.7.0 looks interesting, if a touch unstable
02:07 < theid_away> * Use Cairo for most drawing
02:08 < dmacks> theid_away: Yeah, lots of nice things coming out of the gnome world lately.
02:09 < theid_away> sounds like the 2.7.0 API might be too unstable for general fink usage
02:10 < theid_away> the Cairo stuff is pretty cool though
02:10 < dmacks> Yeah. For something as large and that impacts so many packages other than [its own set], probably best not to package the odd# releases.
02:10 < theid_away> and the fact that Cairo has a Quartz engine and GTK is using Cairo... I'd like to run apps outside X11
02:11 < dmacks> (i.e., don't expect perl5.9 anytime soon either:)
02:11 < dmacks> Might help jump-(re)start the gtk/aqua work?
02:11 < theid_away> sure hope so
02:14 < dmacks> Do you know if there's a gnome-announce or some other way to get alerts about releases of new versions of things?
02:15 < dmacks> The roadmap and release webpages are pretty out-dated:(
02:15 < theid_away> I just check the mirrors
02:15 < dmacks> Okay.
02:16 < theid_away> I suppose you could sign up for one of those page-checkers that email you every time a web page is updated; otherwise Firefox/Mozilla can do that
02:16 < dmacks> Good thought!
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02:26 < dmacks> Who needs a clock anymore? Can just watch the domains as people log on:)
02:47 < broeken> hi, i don't know what to make of http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=921777&group_id=48896&atid=454467
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02:47 < broeken> is it fink or finkcommander?
03:01 < dmacks> broeken: Neither I don't think. Fink only performs prebinding on files installed by fink (not the whole hard drive).
03:02 < dmacks> The only think fink (the program) does is run  /sw/var/lib/fink/prebound/queue-prebinding.pl on packages as it installs them.
03:02 < dmacks> If there is more than than happening, it's FC (or something else). 
03:03 < broeken> fc just calls fink to do its work, so i guess this guy's seeing things ;)
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03:03 < dmacks> Ayup. Maybe it would be a good feature for that prebinding script to wait for FC to exit (not just the direct)?
03:05 < broeken> care to elaborate, dmacks?
03:06 < dmacks> That comment probably only makes sense if you read the comments describing how queue-prebinding.pl works (in that .pl file itself)
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03:07 < dmacks> (by "direct" I mean whatever the prebinding scripts consider "the thing that calls it" which must exit before actual prebinding is triggered)
03:07 < miga> Hi everybody.
03:08 < dmacks> OTOH, prebinding is disabled starting in 10.4 ("packages built from source on 10.4", not "packages built on 10.3 but now user has upgraded to 10.4":), so I'm not sure devs will care to spend a lot of time improving it.
03:09 < dmacks> Tiger dyld is apparently so efficient that the improvement from prebinding is too small to bother doing it at all:)
03:09 < broeken> just checking, does prebinding happen after installing a package?
03:10 < dmacks> Yes. Every time fink installs a package (via "dpkg -i") that contains prebound files, queue-prebinding is run, which adds that package to the queue. When the queue stops being filled, the actual prebinding of [the queue] takes place.
03:10 < broeken> ok, and your suggestion was to run prebinding just once, after installing all packages selected?
03:11 < dmacks> Read the DESCRIPTION in 'pod /sw/var/lib/fink/prebound/queue-prebinding.pl'
03:12 < broeken> ok, will do
03:12 < broeken> thanks, dmacks
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03:13 < dmacks> The trigger is currently "no process called (dpkg|fink|apt|dselect|update-package-prebinding|redo_prebinding|update_prebinding) running at this time"; I proposed adding [whatever the FC process is called] to that list.
03:13 < Albie> the trigger? or the tiger? O:-)
03:14 < dmacks> The trigger is what causes it to happen. Tiger is the OS on which none of this matters. Tigger just bounces on his tail, much like a Dock icon:)
03:16 < dmacks> broeken: You're welcome:) I'm glad that someone is taking an active interest in FC.
03:16 < dmacks> You might want to visit the "Desired features in new Fink GUI?" thread on fink-beginners
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03:21 < broeken> dmacks: finkcommander calls apt-get when a user selects Binary->Dist-Upgrade, so i guess the prebinding gets done the same way as in fink?
03:22 < dmacks> Yes. The prebinding is called as part of the .deb installation (by whataver command performs that action). The .deb itself includes instructions "install my files, then run this command".
03:27 < dmacks> miga: libgnomeui2-2.10.0 is not mirrored very well on the gnome servers:(
03:27 < miga> dmacks, for a mailing list of gnome announcement, gmame has it <http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnome.announce>. And there are also a very good list of links in mozilla installed from fink.
03:28 < miga> dmacks: it seems there is a huge problem on gnome servers today; that's why I indicated the place where the libgnomeui2-2.10.0 could be found.
03:28 < dmacks> Ahhhh.
03:29 < miga> And it is the same for gnome-vfs2.
03:29 < dmacks> That gmane link is exactly what I couldn't find. Thanks:)
03:29 < miga> Np; always a pleasure :-)
03:30 < miga> Did you come to a solution with the internal link problem in libbonoboui2?
03:31 < dmacks> Sorry you had to see the german spammer folks yesterday:( They used to blanket USENET, now they've moved to IRC:(
03:31 < miga> Yes, I hate that: porn, nazi, racismus, the "total" as we say us frogs :-)
03:34 < miga> I don't know if it can be used, but here are the login: FilipeSanCheZ (~FilipeSan@adsl-64-172-182-95.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net)
03:35 < miga> And the other one kmike (~michael@adsl-64-172-182-95.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net)
03:35 < dmacks> The only thing I can determine about the link problem for the __ symbol is that perhaps a -DGDK_DISABLE_DEPRECATED flag is getting passed during the .c -> .o compiling stage? That turns off a "#define _ gettext" statement buried in /sw/include
03:36 < miga> Yes, but that is for gnomeprintui2, not libbonoboui2.
03:36 < miga> And this flag is always set in almost any gnome ui2 interface.
03:37 < dmacks> Yeah. A common hijacking of clueless user machines, probably. They install an IRC server (or reflector, or whatever the correct terminology is). $SOME_BAD_PERSON then hides his actual location by bouncing his message through many such machines.
03:38 < miga> Yes, that was what I thought too. But maybe it could be traced by someone versed into this domain.
03:39 < dmacks> Maybe. It's usually very hard to do:(
03:40 < miga> For gnomeprintui2, the cure would be probably to disable gtk-doc and remove in BuildDepends the dependency on gtk-doc.
03:40 < dmacks> I wonder if the user's problem is a missing gi18n.h?
03:41 < dmacks> (that file is *not* affected by -DGDK_DISABLE_DEPRECATED
03:41 < miga> Maybe, or it may have an old version of openjade.
03:41 < dmacks> (/me was confused by a linux .h:(
03:43 < dmacks> There are so many variables...different versions of library packages, etc.
03:43 < miga> That's why it is so important to use the ones recommended by gnome, otherwise you'll end up with everything which may compile (or not sometimes), but do not run correctly.
03:44 < dmacks> Yup.
03:44 < miga> At the moment, we have a mixture of gnome 2.10, gnome 2.6, gnome 2.4, gtk 2.4, gtk 2.6.
03:45 < dmacks> (I think "gnome2.10" uses gtk2.6)
03:45 < miga> Yes, but it changes rapidly, and already some parts uses gtk2.8.
03:46 < dmacks> "Dear GNOME: Thanks for making confusing versions. Sincerely, everybody"
03:46 < miga> Even gnome-vfs2 is a gtk2.2 stuff in fink.
03:46 < miga> Yes :-)
03:46 < miga> But, no, they make really a tremendous work.
03:46  * dmacks agrees!
03:48 < miga> The problem is we need people in fink for working on gnome stuff, otherwise it is impossible to stay uptodate and have something which works well. Moreover it would allowed to fill bugs which could be taken into account. They, usually, are not so prone to change old versions, when only Mac users are affected.
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03:49  * dmacks agrees again.
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03:50 < dmacks> I've filed a few bugs where the response has been (in essence) "huh? OS X does weird things!"
03:50 < miga> I wonder, if I try to compile libbonoboui2 with the libtool in fink, could it be that it will be better than now with the one in system?
03:51 < dmacks> Maybe...I don't understand the differences among different libtool at all.
03:51 < miga> Yes, especially with pango, the team leader is completely anti-mac, no need to fill bugs with him.
03:52 < miga> There are not at the same version, but I could not determine the one is newer, that I could not determine the version on system.
03:52 < dmacks> pogma is the libtool expert.
03:52 < miga> Yes, but he hides :-)
03:52 < miga> Should I mail him?
03:53 < dmacks> That's because libtool is so difficult. I'd hide also, if I were involved there:)
03:53 < dmacks> Sure...he's a nice guy.
03:54 < miga> Ok, I'll do it, but maybe I should wait some times, vasi has told he'll look in it.
03:56 < miga> That's weird for me this failure on libbonoboui2, conglomerate has just released a new version, but I cannot test it (though it should work ok, since I've tested one self-made based on cvs, but you never knows if they drop something between cvs and dist).
03:56 < dmacks> I'mm working on getting the libgnomeui2-2.10.0 to compile....
03:57 < miga> Oh, fine, thanks.
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03:58 < dmacks> Our packages are so many versions old, it's not so easy to upgrade sometimes:(
03:59 < miga> Yes, truly true.
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03:59 < miga> But with you, they make huge progresses :-)
04:00 < dmacks> *blush*
04:02 < dmacks> Well, I gotta get up normal-business-hours tomorrow. Good night eveyone:)
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04:02 < miga> good night,
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06:39 < miga> Could somebody explain me what I'm supposed to do in 10.4-transitional with the various fields or dependencies more ou less related to changes in gcc, namely GCC: 3.3, BuildDepends: gcc3.3, SetCC:gcc-3.3, SetCXX: g++-3.3, SetCC: cc, SetCXX: c++ ?
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08:54 < pogma> hi
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08:55 < pogma> darn, miga left
08:59 < broeken> is it possible to install packages on a remote host using fink?
09:05 -!- You're now known as RangerRick
09:07 < RangerRick> ssh in  :)
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09:15 < broeken> but that means the remote host should run fink, right?
09:15 < RangerRick> yes
09:15 < RangerRick> there's no real way to remote-install stuff, other than ssh'ing in and running just like you do locally
09:16 < broeken> another small question, is there some configuration option to use unstable packages only when stable packages aren't available?
09:16 < RangerRick> nope
09:19 < broeken> thanks, RangerRick 
09:34 < akh> !coffeeme
09:35 < akh> grrr...can't even get coffee from a bot...
09:41 < RangerRick> http://test.bortels.us/funny_essay.gif hah
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09:42 < cirdan> !give akh  coffee
09:43 < akh> hehe
09:43  * pogma gives akh beer
09:43 < cirdan> mmm
09:43 < cirdan> even better
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09:45 < baba> no beer night
09:47 < TheSin> cirdan, coffee over here too :D
09:47 < cirdan> !make thesin coffee
09:47 < TheSin> hehe
09:47 < TheSin> morning gents
09:47 < cirdan> !test
09:48 < cirdan> morning thesin
09:48 < TheSin> and ladies if there are some
09:48 < cirdan> Melian: test
09:48 < TheSin> !botsmack
09:48 < cirdan> Melian: test1
09:48 < TheSin> naw it's dead
09:48 < Melian> cirdan: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
09:48 < TheSin> :P
09:48 < cirdan> crap...
09:48 < cirdan> !die
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09:48 < TheSin> Melian, botsmack
09:48 < TheSin> hehe
09:48 < TheSin> what is mee_bot 
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09:49 < cirdan> !make thesin coffee
09:49  * Melian brews a nice hot cup of coffee for thesin
09:49 < TheSin> ahhh thanks Melian, cirdan 
09:49 < cirdan> !trout melian
09:49  * Melian takes the trout and shoves it up melian's both nostrils.
09:50 < RangerRick> the best thing about stuff that uses boost is it takes 13.57 years to compile a single source file!
09:50 < cirdan> hehe
09:50 < cirdan> so much of a boost
09:51 < cirdan> bbl
09:52 < TheSin> sounds like a boost in the wrong direction
09:52 < akh> Sounds like grounds for a false advertising suit.
09:52 < RangerRick> maybe it's a boost to programmers' productivity, but not to the compiling or running of the resultant app  ;)
09:53 < akh> heh
09:54 < akh> Or is it an acronym:  Build On and On Slowly Traversing
09:54 < akh> (or something)
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09:57  * akh can't come up with anything clever yet.
09:57 < RangerRick> Builds Only On Saturdays and Thursdays
09:57 < newmanbe> No, only February 29th. :)
09:58 < newmanbe> !logs
09:58 < Melian> logs are at http://meme.b9.com/cview.html?channel=fink&date=today or http://fink.aquaflux.org (currently down)
10:00 < akh> RangerRick: much better than mine.  ;-)
10:01 < RangerRick> Melian: logs are also http://hollowvoice.org/~ranger/irc_logs/
10:01 < Melian> okay, RangerRick
10:01 < cirdan> !logs
10:01 < Melian> logs are at http://meme.b9.com/cview.html?channel=fink&date=today or http://fink.aquaflux.org (currently down), or http://hollowvoice.org/~ranger/irc_logs/
10:01 < newmanbe> TheSin: mee_bot is not a bot; it is a person.
10:01 < RangerRick> heh
10:01 < TheSin> really, odd
10:02 < cirdan> hehe
10:03 < cirdan> bbl
10:10 < akh> Tiger may have its faults, but at least the linker works more quickly.
10:10 < pogma> grr
10:11 < pogma> linker is broken, so it works faster
10:11  * pogma prefers non-broken linker
10:11 < akh> Well, yeah, there's that.
10:13 < newmanbe> !lart FreeBSD
10:13  * Melian forces FreeBSD to use Outlook Express
10:13 < newmanbe> Making me finally learn how to use vi. :(
10:13 < akh> Can't you install nano?
10:14 < newmanbe> Probably.
10:15 < newmanbe> But it isn't connected to the Internet and I don't feel like getting the USB flash drive working right now. :)
10:15 < RangerRick> what's freebsd got to do with it?  :)
10:16 < akh> I guess for not coming with another editor "out of the box".
10:16 < newmanbe> Not including nano on the two CDs.
10:16 < RangerRick> Melian: FreeBSD is <reply>Mac OS X is not FreeBSD, contrary to Apple's marketing.
10:16 < Melian> okay, RangerRick
10:17 < RangerRick> bah
10:17 < RangerRick> learn ed!
10:17 < RangerRick> ed, man!  !man ed
10:17 < akh> !FreeBSD
10:17 < Melian> Mac OS X is not FreeBSD, contrary to Apple's marketing.
10:17 < newmanbe> I don't think it has ed.
10:17 < RangerRick> http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed.msg.html
10:17 < newmanbe> It has emacs.
10:17 < RangerRick> it's gotta have ed
10:17 < RangerRick> it's not unix if it doesn't have ed
10:17 < RangerRick> :)
10:18 < pogma> ed rocks
10:18 < newmanbe> Oh, yes. ed. 
10:18 < newmanbe> Bah.
10:18 < RangerRick> it's vi without all the wussy "seeing"
10:19  * newmanbe would rather learn vi first.
10:24 < akh> There's always cat and redirect
10:28 < baba> hey pogma, i want to attend Kansai OpenSource as Fink Project
10:28 < baba> http://k-of.jp/
10:29 < pogma> baba: sure
10:29 < pogma> baba: please do
10:30 < baba> and you join me  :p
10:30 < pogma> dude, totally friday and saturday
10:30 < pogma> me working
10:31 < baba> then someone else?
10:31 < baba> akh wants to come to japan?
10:32 < baba> wait, i have a symposium on 30 in Tokyo
10:33  * akh has my money tied up in home improvements for a while.
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11:07 < Feanor> hey, it's on my birthday
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11:07 < Feanor> i kind of doubt i'll be in japan then, though
11:10  * cirdan wants to come to japan
11:10 < cirdan> just need someone to buy me a ticket ;-)
11:12 < akh> !lart hardcoded /sw/bin/perl
11:12  * Melian sends a legion of lawyers after hardcoded /sw/bin/perl's head
11:20 < akh> but not it's HEAD?
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11:55 < akh> Ick--10.5 will be out before I finish my 10.4 updates.
11:56 < das_> lol
11:57 < akh> At least there aren't new packages being added in the middle this time.
12:04 < cirdan> heh
12:06 < akh> Yeah--build a KDE module, and RangerRIck commits a new %r while my build's in progress.
12:06 < akh> Maybe I should be more patient and wait a week in the future...
12:06 < akh> Nah!
12:07 < mdmonk> RangerRick will always be making changes and fixing stuff.
12:08 < mdmonk> he's a coding machine. unstoppable.
12:08 < mdmonk> :) 
12:08 < cirdan> he used to be
12:08 < cirdan> then ge got a gf
12:08 < cirdan> :-)
12:09 < mdmonk> haha. true dat.
12:10 < mdmonk> back in the day....before he was gettin' some
12:10 < RangerRick> akh: more like, you keep building things right when I release them to unstable
12:10 < RangerRick> and kde's too big to be "right" the first time it's released to unstable  :)
12:10 < RangerRick> nothin' wrong with gettin' some
12:10 < mdmonk> no lie!
12:11 < akh> RangerRick: Yeah (to both).
12:11 < RangerRick> I'd take that over compiling software any day
12:11 < RangerRick> although doing both.....
12:11 < mdmonk> hahaha
12:11 < akh> Multitasking!
12:11  * RangerRick has had KDE builds going during before, does that count?  :)
12:11 < akh> You could go way for a 3-day weekend while KDE builds.
12:12 < RangerRick> haha, read that as "3-way"
12:12 < akh> oops ;-)
12:12 < cirdan> haha
12:12 < akh> That, too, I guess.
12:12 < cirdan> that too
12:12 < mdmonk> hahaha...Freudian slip (misread) by RR
12:13 < RangerRick> just thought maybe akh was trying to tire me out
12:14 < akh> ummm...no
12:14 < RangerRick> hehe
12:14 < mdmonk> funny. :)
12:14 < RangerRick> speaking of (weekends, not 3-ways), can't wait for this weekend
12:14 < RangerRick> going to new york
12:14 < mdmonk> what's going on this weekend?
12:14 < RangerRick> gonna see spamalot
12:15 < RangerRick> :)
12:15 < mdmonk> sweet!
12:15 < akh> Nice.
12:15 < RangerRick> although hank azaria isn't in it at the moment  :(
12:15 < mdmonk> RR: did you send me my b-day gift?
12:15 < mdmonk> should I wait by the mailbox for it to arrive?
12:15 < RangerRick> you have birthdays?
12:15 < cirdan> mdmonk: yes, u should
12:15 < mdmonk> :)
12:15 < cirdan> :-p
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12:16 < mdmonk> would be more work-intensive than what I'm doing now. :)
12:16 < mdmonk> on a gov'ment contract. 
12:16 < cirdan> hah
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12:18 < akh> oops
12:18 < mdmonk> doesn't take much to monitor IDS/IPS traffic and alerts. :)
12:19 < mdmonk> brb...
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12:26 < akh> heh:  http://www.foxtrot.com/
12:27 < akh> (vaguely topical for here)
12:28 < cirdan> heh
12:28 < cirdan> www.page3.com
12:28 < RangerRick> hehe
12:28 < cirdan> even better
12:29 < akh> sure
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12:46 < newmanbe> !lart whoever invented the hard-drive jumper system
12:46  * Melian beats the living hamstercrap out of whoever invented the hard-drive jumper system
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13:01 < vasi> is the GCC: field necessary only when a package has C++ symbols in it? or even when it depends on another package with GCC: but doesn't link to it?
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13:16 < akh>  vasi:  Why would the second case be a problem?
13:17 < vasi> i have no idea, i'm just trying to remember the details of the whole GCC field and transition plan from the last time (10.2 -> 10.2-gcc3.3)....it's been a while!
13:18 < RangerRick> 3.3 was only meant to indicate that this package uses the gcc 3.3 ABI
13:19 < vasi> so only for linkage, ok :-)
13:19 < RangerRick> by extension, anything that links to package <foo> would use it as well
13:19 < RangerRick> but yeah, a runtime dep (like exec or something) shouldn't need it
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13:21 < vasi> i remember last time, we did a whole lot of revision bumping....does that mean we actually made fink upgradeable 10.2 -> 10.3-gcc3.3, and bumped to force rebuilds?
13:21 < RangerRick> in theory
13:22 < vasi> do we know what we're doing for 10.4? i kinda favor not upgrading, and just having ppl use dpkg --get-selected or something....
13:25 < vasi> grrr, gotta run 
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13:27 < newmanbe> !freebsd
13:27 < Melian> Mac OS X is not FreeBSD, contrary to Apple's marketing.
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13:37 < htodd> it's netbsd
13:37 < htodd> :P
13:38 < newmanbe> !netbsd
13:38 < newmanbe> !openbsd
13:38 < newmanbe> Melian: openbsd is <REPLY>If you really wanted a secure system, you wouldn't add any software.
13:39 < Melian> newmanbe: okay
13:39 < newmanbe> !openbsd
13:39 < Melian> If you really wanted a secure system, you wouldn't add any software.
13:41 < akh> Sounds good to me. ;-)
14:02 < akh> grr...autoconf Conflicts but doesn't Replace autoconf2.5
14:03 < akh> wait--no, it's automake1.8 that's the culprit.
14:07 < akh> !alicekill automake1.8
14:07  * Melian I want to kill automake1.8, I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill automake1.8. Kill. I wanna see automake1.8's blood and gore and guts and have automake1.8's veins in my teeth.  Eat automake1.8's dead burnt body.  I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL.  and I jump around with akh, yelling "KILL, KILL"
14:08  * akh feels better now.
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14:39 < cirdan> !babbagesmite akh
14:39  * Melian feeds akh into an Analytical Engine and gets four buckets of bolts as output.
14:41 < newmanbe> !comfort akh
14:41 < Melian> There, there, akh.  It's OK.  I'm here for you.
14:48 < htodd> hmm
14:49 < htodd> I was going to tell vasiGone about my gnome-vfs2 problems
14:49 < vasiGone> htodd, i know
14:49 < htodd> akh: also, rebuilding openjade and opensp didn't fix my problems
14:49 < vasiGone> it will be fixed
14:49 < htodd> ok
14:49 < htodd> tnx
14:49 < vasiGone> er, it's a silly dependency issue, the versions of gnome-vfs2 and -ssl aren't synced
14:49 < cirdan> heh
14:50 < vasiGone> er, you are talking about the librsvg2 gnome-vfs2 problem, right?
14:50 < vasiGone> there may be another one :-)
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15:14 < newmanbe> And no, I don't want to download the iPod update because I don't have an iPod.
15:15 < newmanbe> Hmm, I do like the CLI version of Software Update better.
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15:26 < cirdan> heh
15:28 < akh> Buy one. ;-)
15:29 < akh> Buy everything that they ask you to install software for.  ;-)
15:29 < newmanbe> I have a walkman. All I need is my public radio!
15:29  * akh is bummed that there's not an FM _receiver_ for the iPod.
15:30 < akh> I carry a walkman for NPR, myself.
15:31 < akh> Which, of course, doesn't work on the subway...
15:31 < newmanbe> Hmm, we only have above ground rail here.
15:39 < akh> The good part is that they're immune to the ordinary street traffic while underground.
15:40 < akh> Though so are the "heavy-rail" commuter trains, for the most part...
15:41 < newmanbe> We can take the Amtrak to Chicago.
15:41 < akh> I can too--it just takes longer.  ;-)
15:41 < newmanbe> And we can go to Kenosha.
15:41 < newmanbe> Kenosha is half-way between Milwaukee and Chicago, is in Wisconsin,
15:41 < newmanbe> yet is called a suburb of Chicago.
15:42 < akh> Chicagoland is big.
15:42 < newmanbe> Hmm, small than they think it is.
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15:42 < akh> Well, yeah.  ;-)
15:42 < miga> Hello everybody.
15:42 < akh> hi miga
15:42 < miga> hi akh.
15:43 < akh> newmanbe:  I guess it depends whether a large portion of Kenosha's population commute towards Chicago for work.
15:43 < miga> pogma: you're around apropos gcc3 and consort?
15:44 < akh> He's probably still asleep.
15:44 < miga> Yes, probably, that's difficult to find a correct hour :-)
15:45 < miga> msachs sleeping too?
15:45 < msachs> miga: Not quite :)
15:45 < newmanbe> akh: They might, they have the rail thingy.
15:45 < akh> That'd do it.
15:46 < newmanbe> Time to commission a survey!
15:46 < miga> Hi msachs, do you know what I should remove in the info file concerning the gcc3 environnement and the like?
15:46 < akh> As long as they don't root for the Bears over the Packers, it shouldn't matter.
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15:46 < msachs> consort, eh?  Let me see...
15:46  * newmanbe doesn't care much who they root for.
15:47 < akh> heh
15:47 < newmanbe> As long as it isn't for Microsoft.
15:47 < akh> Probably not.  
15:47 < msachs> I don't see that package...
15:47 < akh> Only in the Seattle suburbs.
15:48 < miga> That is I have three packages which are concerned with this, but none of them have the same fields or Depends.
15:48 < mjmac> hello finkers...  when using fink 0.7.2 to build my own package with the following Source field: http://www.samba.org/ftp/tridge/dbench/%n-%v.tar.gz, fink invariably tries to retrieve the tarball from a mirror, which ain't gonna work.  anyone know what's wrong?
15:48 < newmanbe> I do!
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15:48 < msachs> miga: Which packages?
15:48 < cirdan> hey kvv
15:49 < newmanbe> !manual
15:49 < mjmac> http://fink.sourceforge.net/doc/packaging/reference.php?phpLang=en#fields
15:49 < mjmac> An URL to the source tarball. It should be a HTTP or FTP URL, but Fink doesn't really care 
15:49 < mjmac> ?
15:49 < akh> mjmac: Is this a modification to an existing package.
15:49 < akh> ?
15:49 < miga> The first one: cssed, it has GCC: 3.3, SetCC: cc, SetCXX: c++ (because it has an internal version of libcroco.
15:50 < newmanbe> The source is the actual file itself.
15:50 < mjmac> akh: no, i make a quick dbench.info based on something else and by following the tutorial
15:50 < newmanbe> You will need to set a custom mirror.
15:50 < newmanbe> (Unless samba.org is recognized)
15:50 < mjmac> oh
15:50 < msachs> miga: Okay, so what's the question?  Sorry, haven't been keeping an eye on the channel.
15:50 < mjmac> so is the above documentation incorrect, or did i misunderstand?
15:50 < newmanbe> From your quote, it looks wrong.
15:51 < miga> The second one: conglomerate, it has GCC: 3.3 only (it is a gnome package).
15:51 < newmanbe> !paste
15:51 < Melian> paste is probably a bot that lets you post large chunks of text without flooding the channel. Use it at http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink
15:51 < miga> The question is: what should I remove?
15:51 < lisppaste> newmanbe pasted "custom mirror" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9328
15:51 < kvv> hello all, I heard a rumor that fink is not planning to build universal binaries.
15:51 < newmanbe> Fat.
15:51 < akh> mjmac: unless it's going to the distfiles mirrors
15:51 < kvv> was there discussion about this on the mailing list that someone could point me to?
15:51 < newmanbe> !mailinglists
15:51 < Melian> [mailinglists] http://www.finkproject.org/lists/
15:52 < akh> kvv:  fink-devel, I believe.
15:52 < newmanbe> Probably -dev
15:52 < kvv> akh: i looked there, but couldn't seem to find it =/
15:52 < kvv> i'll keep looking
15:52 < msachs> miga: Okay, well, the SetCC and SetCXX shouldn'tbe needed but are harmless.  My understanding is that GCC: 3.3 should stay, at least until the 10.4 non-transitional tree, if the package uses C++.  And SetCPPFLAGS: -no-cpp-precomp can go, I believe that's a gcc 3.1 holdover.
15:52 < mjmac> newmanbe: wow, i dunno how i would have figured that out from the manual...
15:53 < akh> I don't think that's required, though.
15:54 < akh> cf;  Source: http://xcircuit.ece.jhu.edu/archive/%n-%v.tgz
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15:54 < akh> (from the xcircuit package)
15:54 < miga> The third one bluefish; it is not a gnome package, but depends heavily (actually more than conglomerate) on gnome package, it has GCC: 3.3, BuildDepends: gcc3.3, SetCC: gcc-3.3, SetCXX: g++-3.3 because it used aspell and I have never succeeded in linking with the aspell library without it.
15:54 < mjmac> gak
15:54 < mjmac> still trying to go to distfiles
15:55 < miga> msachs: what do you mean by can go? can go away?
15:55 < akh> mjmac: You may have your MirrorOrder in fink.conf set for MasterFirst, then.
15:55 < msachs> miga: Correct.  For bluefish, I don't think builddepends: gcc3.3 is necessary, and the SetCC and SetCXX will be automatically performed by Fink if $dist = "10.4-transitional", so you don't need those either.  Or at least that's my understanding, let me verify that...
15:56 < akh> mjmac:  You should be able to select "Original Source URL" following the first failure from a master.
15:56 < msachs> Yep, it will.
15:56 < akh> kvv:  "First thoughts about 'universal binaries'" on fink-devel
15:57 < akh> Dated 6/6/05
15:57 < kvv> akh: just found it, thanks
15:57  * akh just happened to find the right filter.
15:57 < miga> msachs; if I recall well, in bluefish (the configure.in is an horror, imho) they set in aclocal cc=gcc, so that I have to do something, but what?
15:58 < kvv> akh: was there any consensus by core? or simply status quo?
15:59 < mjmac> ok...  my mirrororder is set to closestfirst.  i don't get any option to select the original source url.
15:59 < msachs> miga: PatchScript to remove that setting, or change it to $ENV{CC}, or gcc-3.3 ?  Actually, it looks like Fink is only setting $script_env{CXX} to g++-3.3 in the transitional tree, not $script_env{CC}, so maybe it can stay as gcc if they're not using that to compile C++ code.
15:59 < akh> mjmac: Ah, that'd do it.
16:00 < akh> kvv: I don't know if there was a consensus.  Maybe the core reps here would comment.
16:00 < dmacks> msachs: Are changes made for 10.4/gcc4 compatibility portable back to 10.3/gcc3.3?
16:00 < mjmac> akh: ... so in order to install a package that's not on a mirror i have to diddle fink.conf?
16:00 < miga> No, they don't use any c++ code but they link to the c++ interface of aspell.
16:01 < akh> mjmac: Yeah, it looks like.
16:01 < akh> Seems silly, but...
16:01 < mjmac> ... Huh.  ok.
16:01 < msachs> dmacks: The ones I've been making have been, although I haven't tested them rigorously.  It's possible to introduce Panther-incompatible changes when you're making Tiger fixes if you're not careful, of course, Panther still needs socklen_t defs for instance.
16:02 < msachs> But all the compilation-type fixes, things like static/extern or C++ template business, that should all be safe for 3.3.
16:02 < miga> Well, that is they use it a bit, just to initialize aspell (aspell-new). But that's sufficient to make this flag necessary, unless maybe there is a way to avoid it.
16:02 < dmacks> msachs: Panther has sockelen_t.
16:02 < dmacks> (*however that symbol is spelled:)
16:03 < dmacks> Okay; yeah I was thinking about for example http://article.gmane.org/gmane.os.apple.fink.cvs/38264
16:03 < msachs> dmacks: Hm, does it?  Then why do lots of infofiles have -Dsocklen_t=int and lots of packages have bits that go "Oh, Darwin?  I'd better define socklen_t, I know I'm not going to have it..."
16:03 < dmacks> 10.2 didn't have it.
16:04 < dmacks> Most of 10.3 started life in 10.2:)
16:04 < msachs> dmacks: Ah, guess we juts had it as int on Panther...  Yeah, those apt/dpkg things should be fine for 10.3/gcc-3.3.
16:04 < dmacks> It was harmless (10.3 defined it as int), so easier to support both trees by keeping that flag.
16:04 < dmacks> Cool thanks.
16:05 < msachs> np
16:05 < miga> thanks msachs.
16:05 < msachs> and np again :)
16:06 < dmacks> (I'm working on forward/backporting recent changes between 10.3 and 10.4T so we don't lose fixes when someone blindly copies a new %v one to the other)
16:06 < msachs> Good call.
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16:08 < miga> dmacks: do you know if this call gnome_execute_async_with_env_fd works (it is from gnome-vfs2)?
16:08 < dmacks> miga: I have no idea.
16:08 < dmacks> !seen vasi
16:08 < Melian> vasi <~vasi@modemcable214.145-70-69.mc.videotron.ca> was last seen on IRC in channel #fink, 2h 46m 12s ago, saying: 'do we know what we're doing for 10.4? i kinda favor not upgrading, and just having ppl use dpkg --get-selected or something....'.
16:09 < miga> OK, just to know, I'll search.
16:09 -!- vasiGone is now known as vasi
16:09 < vasi> i am summoned!
16:09 < dmacks> Ah, there you are:)
16:09 < miga> hi vasi;
16:10  * dmacks was wondering if miga's and htodd's weird "update makes fink want to install gnome-vfs2 even though the -ssl stuff is installed" was due to the engine change few nights ago.
16:10 < miga> vasi, are you sure you sent me a mail about devhelp? Still not received it. 
16:11 < vasi> no, it was due to my screw up
16:11 < vasi> hold on
16:11 < dmacks> (there's also wackiness in the gnome-vfs2-ssl packaging that may contribute, or at least expose other engine oddities:)
16:12 < miga> wackiness is a moron.
16:12 < miga> :-)
16:12 < dmacks> heh
16:14 < vasi> dmacks, the problem is that gnome-vfs2-ssl has a different %r from gnome-vfs2
16:15 < vasi> so i ended up accidentally depending on a revision of gv2-ssl that doesn't exist
16:15 < vasi> thus the alternative depends reverted to a non-alternative
16:15 < dmacks> Ahhh. That makes simpler sense.
16:15 < vasi> do you know how drm has been testing for packages that need GCC: 3.3 ?
16:15 < dmacks> I'll still try to unscrew gnome-vfs2-ssl though.
16:16 < vasi> cuz it looks like fink validate doesn't test it yet :-/
16:16 < miga> dmacks: for gnome packages, if you encounter as Depends in 10.4-transitional libgnomeui2-shlibs and libglade2-shlibs, it is also necessary to put libgnomeui2 as Depends to get the gnome widgets of libglade loaded at run time.
16:16 < dmacks> No idea. Maybe RangerRick's nm vs nm|c++filt trick?
16:17 < dmacks> I agree that validator should test it.
16:17 < vasi> dmacks, yeah, i was hoping to find someone had already scripted things though...i have my own mostly-worky script
16:17 < vasi> if using libglade2-shlibs requires libgnomeui2, then shouldn't it be a dependency?
16:17 < dmacks> Now that we don't need to support 10.2 in HEAD, we can make tempdirs and keep validator from dragging as much. Won't be as painful to add new tests that need to read file contents.
16:18 < miga> No, needed at runtime (it loads the libgnome.so).
16:18 < vasi> there's no tempdir in 10.2?
16:18 < vasi> miga, even if it's needed at runtime, it's still a dependency
16:18 < dmacks> File::Temp didn't go into perl-core until after 5.6.0.
16:19 < miga> Yes, that's what I said no: in Depends.
16:19 < vasi> dmacks, yeesh
16:19 < vasi> miga, is there any way to use libglade2-shlibs without libgnomeui2 installed, at all?
16:20 < miga> Yes, of course, not all gnome applications use gnome widgets provided by libglade2. If they use only gtk widgets, you do not need the dependency.
16:20 < vasi> ah ok
16:21 < miga> I've put it in conglomerate (explanation in DescPort).
16:21 < miga> So that it will not be lost in the All.
16:22 < miga> And also for me, so that I don't wonder in the future why I've put this dependency.
16:22 < vasi> yeah dmacks, i was going to ask you....can we allow comments inside pkglist fields?
16:23 < vasi> i don't think the # char is usable there, so we can just exclude things after it
16:23 < dmacks> Do oyu have an example of what you'd use this for?
16:23 < dmacks> (it's already ok in *Script, for example)
16:24 < vasi> for annotating a dependency list....since it's often hard to remember why each dependency is needed
16:24 < vasi> every time there's a new upstream version, i find myself wondering "do i still need that dep? what's it there for, anyhow?"
16:25 < dmacks> Hmm...would be easier to extend the idea of comment-lines (!= end-of-functional-line) to those fields I think.
16:25 < miga> As for the problem with '_' character, it maybe, not sure, but I've seen something about it today on docbook mailing list, that opensp5 solves the problem.
16:25 < vasi> dmacks, why's that?
16:26 < dmacks> For consistency with current features?
16:26 < dmacks> (for example, in .info itself and in the *Script fields)
16:26 < vasi> uh, doesn't *Script support end-of-line comments?
16:27 < dmacks> Yeah (assuming whatever-language does), but we don't handle that or declare it as a fink feature.
16:27 < dmacks> We do document that "lines beginning with # are ignored"
16:28 < vasi> ah
16:29 < vasi> well ok, i guess on-their-own-line comments are fine, but i'd really prefer not having to back-indent
16:29 < dmacks> ?
16:30 < dmacks> The current ignore-this-line pattern is /^\s*#/
16:31 < vasi> $$script =~ s/^\#.*?($)\n?//mg;  # remove comment lines
16:32 < dmacks> I think we've already removed leading whitespace before that point.
16:32 < vasi> oh ok, we strip space first
16:32 < dmacks> ...which is something else we need to stop doing:)
16:32 < vasi> for line-by-line, who cares
16:32 < vasi> for shell, we DON'T do it, which is a problem
16:32 < dmacks> Users have had >18-month warning that << is the way to do multiline now.
16:33 < vasi> did i ever get a chance to add the un-indent << blocks patch?
16:33 < vasi> somebody didn't like it, don't remember if it was you ;-)
16:34 < dmacks> Right...I was still giving users a chance to fix their stuff. They've had their chance. RFC-whatever multiline will die tonite in HEAD, then we can stop removing leading whitespace at all.
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16:37 < vasi> dmacks, no...we should remove space in << heredocs the python way
16:37 < vasi> count the # of \s at the front of the first line, remove up to that much from every subsequent line
16:55 < dmacks_away> Let's figure out how tcl does it? Oh right, wrong project. Yeah, pythonish makes sense too:)
16:56 < statico> How about YAML?
16:56 < dmacks_away> Prolly not a bad idea to to that to the Desc* fields too. Some folks indent them to make the .info look cleaner.
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17:09 < vasi> makes sense
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17:27 < htodd> how many gcc lines does satellitarium.info need?
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17:28 < dmacks> 3 is probably enough, though maybe 4 or 5 in extreme cases. Why?
17:28 < htodd> oh, drm added a second one.
17:28 < htodd> perhaps I should add a couple more for good measure?
17:29 < dmacks> :) Yeah, finkmirrors bitched about that extra one also.
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19:26 < RangerRick> looks like wxmac/wxgtk both install wx-config outsiide the destroot  :P
19:26 < RangerRick> ah, no, they just don't symlink it right
19:47 < vasi_> hmm, i've got a package whose website + source seem to have disappeared
19:48 < vasi_> but the source *is* on distfiles :-)
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19:48 < vasi_> do we have a policy for this situation?
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20:28 < dmacks> vasi*: mirror:master :)
20:32  * dmacks wonders what happens if one can create a singularity in the universe with that by setting MirrorOrder:MasterNever
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21:09 < DonGian> hi, anybody here who would help a newb?
21:11 < akh> Sure
21:13 < DonGian> there is a package called "PythonMagick" - i didnīt find it in fink - seems to be not available
21:13 < DonGian> i canīt compile it by myself (not a fan of make and co) - what can i do?
21:16 < akh> That's problematic, then, unless you can find a precompiled version somewhere.
21:17 < akh> Did you make an attempt at compiling?  If so, what kind of failure messages did you get?
21:17 < DonGian> no - i had bad problems compiling the packages needed by it (Scons, Boost, ImageMagick)
21:17 < DonGian> now I tried these 3 packages with Fink (works perfectly) - but I cant set up PythonMagick
21:17 < akh> Ah--that may not be so bad.
21:18 < DonGian> moment please
21:18 < pogma> please paste your error using lisppaste
21:18 < akh> Set some system environment variables up as per:  http://fink.sourceforge.net/faq/usage-general.php?phpLang=en#compile-myself
21:19 < akh> (and paste any output up via lisppaste)
21:26 < pogma> heh, looks to be harder than that :)
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21:26 < DonGian> it was hard ;)
21:27 < pogma> need imagemagick, python, boost
21:27 < pogma> and the setup script seems to think that if it isn't wondows it must be linux :)
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21:28 < DonGian> so - the package has to be built by Scons which is such a thing as make?? it think
21:28 < DonGian> i startet it by editing the SConfig file ...
21:28 < dmacks> pygtk2 makes the same assumption, pogma:)
21:28 < DonGian> i edited the linux part
21:28 < DonGian> that was my result:
21:30 < DonGian> sry - i am also new to irc :)
21:30 < DonGian> """
21:30 < DonGian> HPEBook:/opt/PythonMagick hpe$ scons
21:30 < DonGian> scons: Reading SConscript files ...
21:30 < DonGian> scons: done reading SConscript files.
21:31 < DonGian> scons: Building targets ...
21:31 < DonGian> g++ -fPIC -DBOOST_PYTHON_STATIC_LIB -O2 -I/sw/local/include -I/sw/include/python2.3 -I/sw/include -c -o pythonmagick_src/_DrawableArc.os pythonmagick_src/_DrawableArc.cpp
21:31 < DonGian> In file included from /sw/include/boost/config.hpp:35,
21:31 < DonGian>                  from /sw/include/boost/python/detail/config.hpp:15,
21:31 < DonGian>                  from /sw/include/boost/python/detail/prefix.hpp:14,
21:31 < DonGian>                  from /sw/include/boost/python/args.hpp:8,
21:31 < DonGian>                  from /sw/include/boost/python.hpp:11,
21:31 < DonGian>                  from pythonmagick_src/_DrawableArc.cpp:3:
21:31 < DonGian> g++ -fPIC -DBOOST_PYTHON_STATIC_LIB -O2 -I/sw/local/include -I/sw/include/python2.3 -I/sw/include -c -o pythonmagick_src/_DrawableBezier.os pythonmagick_src/_DrawableBezier.cpp
21:31 < dmacks> DonGian: Use lisppaste please!
21:31 < DonGian> """
21:31 < dmacks> !isppaste
21:31 < dmacks> !lisppaste
21:31 < Melian> hmm... lisppaste is a bot that lets you post large chunks of text without flooding the channel. Use it at http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink
21:32 < DonGian> ok - sorry for that
21:33 -!- dmacks is now known as dmacks_away
21:35 < lisppaste> Don Gian pasted "My Errors" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9335
21:36 < DonGian> "lisppaste" - nice idea :)
21:36 < pogma> that's a warning, not an error
21:36 < pogma> but, since it is g++, are you on tiger?
21:37 < DonGian> yes, tiger
21:37 < pogma> sudo gcc_select 3.3
21:37 < pogma> and the warning should go away
21:37 < pogma> remember to sudo gcc_select 4.0 after building
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21:43 < akh> OK, so it's not as easy as I thought.  ;-)  
21:43 < DonGian> thanks - this warning has gone
21:43 < DonGian> now i started scons again ...
21:53 < DonGian> now I have many other warnings like that one ...
21:53 < DonGian> and after about 15 of them it is idle now since 5 minutes
21:53 < lisppaste> Don Gian annotated #9335 with "My Errors" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9335#1
21:53 < pogma> ignore warnings that are not fatal :)
21:54 < baba> my qt appli is very slow with 3.3 :(
21:54 < baba> to start up
21:54 < akh> baba:  TIger.
21:54 < DonGian> now it resumed ... (but its really slow - *waiting and hoping*)
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21:56 < pogma> baba: might be a dyld bug that will be resolved in 10.4.2
21:56 < pogma> baba: or it might just be because c++ sucks :)
21:57 < baba> maybe the former, cos it's dead slow
21:57 < pogma> how long does it take to start up?
21:57 < pogma> more than 5 minutes?
21:58 < baba> actually, it shows the splash screen, then takes another 10 minutes or so
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21:58 < pogma> yeah, okay, probably fixed in 10.4.2
21:58 < baba> oh, i see
21:58 < pogma> it is loading plugins during that time?
21:58 < akh> Unlike the SSL issue...
21:58 < baba> it has plugin functions
21:59 < pogma> thought we decided to set DYLD_FALLBACK_LIBRARY_PATH in basefiles to "solve" the ssl issue
21:59 < akh> pogma:  Did we?  I wasn't sure that was the "fix"
21:59 < pogma> baba: yeah, dlsym is broken
21:59 < akh> It was proposed here on #fink, but not discussed on -devel.
22:00 < pogma> akh: "export DYLD_FALLBACK_LIBRARY_PATH=:"
22:00 < akh> I already put out a FAQ on that. 
22:00 < pogma> okay, will bring it up on -devel
22:00 < pogma> dmacks_away: come back!
22:00 < akh> pogma:  Just wanted to head off the inevitable complaints from certain people.
22:01 < pogma> they'd be right to complain
22:01 < akh> yup
22:02 < DonGian> I donīt become lucky with that: "scons: building terminated because of errors." ...
22:02 < lisppaste> Don Gian annotated #9335 with "My Errors" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9335#2
22:03 < pogma> DonGian: remove the RPATH bit from the SConstruct file, maybe
22:06 -!- You're now known as RangerAway
22:07 < DonGian> ok, done - scons started again
22:09 < lisppaste> Don Gian annotated #9335 with "My Errors" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9335#3
22:09 < DonGian> another error now
22:09 < pogma> that's better :)
22:09 < DonGian> yippie :)
22:10 < pogma> find /sw/lib -name "libboost*"
22:10 < pogma> and listpaste the output
22:10 < pogma> lisppaste even
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22:11 < ttsoares> greetings
22:12 < miga> pogma: what happens if I, say, remove 'gcc(?)3(??)' occurences in an info file and the package uses and/or links with another package which has this 'gcc(?)3(??)' stuff? 
22:12 < pogma> miga: A package that uses g++ to build, or has undefined c++ symbols must use g++-3.3 and ahve GCC: 3.3
22:12 < lisppaste> Don Gian annotated #9335 with "My Errors" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9335#4
22:12 < ttsoares> there is anyone here interested in a trip to Brasil to give a workshop about Pure Data ?
22:13 < pogma> miga: a package that is pure C should not have a GCC field, and if it builds with gcc-4.0 theen you can remove setCC etc
22:13 < DonGian> pogma: do you think there should be a libboost_python?
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22:14 < miga> OK, thanks pogma.
22:14 < pogma> DonGian: have you installed fink's boost1.32-py23 package?
22:14 < baba> ttsoares: huh?
22:15 < baba> Core Data?
22:15 < pogma> ttsoares: are you paying?
22:15 < DonGian> pogma: yes, its installed
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22:17 < ttsoares> tickets, expenses and a cache
22:18 < ttsoares> It must be a GNU/Linux workshop and could be in Spanish or English
22:18 < pogma> do I have to know anything about Pure Data?
22:18 < baba> what is Pure Data?
22:18 < ttsoares> sure... PD+PDP+PiDiP to do video streaming
22:19 < ttsoares> ...with Theora
22:19 < baba> oh, that Pure Data
22:20 < pogma> baba: a free trip to brazil :)
22:20 < baba> ttsoares: and what do you think this channel for?
22:20 < baba> brazil rocks
22:20 < baba> btw, it was nippon 2 - 2 brazil today
22:21 < ttsoares> it is a kind of channel for the Mac ports of PD stuff - isnt it ?
22:22 < baba> this channel is about how to travel worldwide for free
22:22 < ttsoares> The Fink project wants to bring the full world of Unix Open Source software to Darwin and Mac OS X.
22:22 < ttsoares> ok - it is not just PD stuff... but it is related - correct ?
22:23 < baba> none of us are pure enough..
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22:24 < Tweak`> hey
22:24 < Tweak`> er
22:24 < Tweak`> lol
22:24 < baba> hoy
22:24 < Tweak`> 0 ops, heh
22:24 < Tweak`> well,
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22:24 < Tweak`> oh
22:25 < Tweak`> damn you =)
22:25 -!- mode/#fink [-o baba] by baba
22:25 < Tweak`> ok anyway,
22:25 < Tweak`> i want to install bundle-kde
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22:25 < baba> i only bring chaos by being an op
22:25 < Tweak`> xD
22:25 < Tweak`> annnd
22:26 < Tweak`> it shows up on the site, but doesn't have a stable version
22:26 < Tweak`> but how could i install the unstable one?
22:26 < baba> http://fink.sourceforge.net/faq/usage-fink.php#unstable
22:26 < Tweak`> ah damnit, faq, i knew i should have
22:27 < Tweak`> hehe thanks man
22:28 < baba> np
22:29 < DonGian> pogma: do you have anymore tips what I could do?
22:29 < Tweak`> woot, well anyway, thanks for the help, later
22:29 < Tweak`> ooo lots o commas
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22:31 < pogma> DonGian: I don't know boost1.32-py24 seems to install libboost<everything but python>
22:33 -!- dmacks_away is now known as dmacks
22:36 < pogma> heh, maybe because boost1.32-py24 builds with "--without-python"
22:36 < dmacks> Do I want to know why a -py package builds without python?
22:37 < pogma> DonGian: DonGian is trying to build something outside of fink that seems to need boost-python
22:37 < dmacks> (although in that direction, we could make it a hell of a lot easier to compile libraries if we omitted the .dylib and .a files:)
22:37 < pogma> first DonGian should have been dmacks 
22:38  * dmacks was !_away at the very beginning of his work on it.
22:40 < DonGian> :)
22:43 < DonGian> what should I do?
22:43 < pogma> email the maintainer of the boost1.32-py23 package and ask him what's up
22:44 < pogma> probably fails to build/work or something
22:44 < pogma> in which case you're screwed :/
22:44 < DonGian> :) happens
22:45 < lisppaste> dmacks pasted "boost-py issue" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9340
22:46 < pogma> there we go, should have read the .info file
22:46 < pogma> is that still true on tiger?
22:46 < dmacks> No clue what that really means, if it's a leftover from a lower version and it now works, if it's 10.3-specific, if it's specific to certain pyXX, or anything at all really.
22:46 < DonGian> ok, thank you for your help and your time :)
22:47 < dmacks> treiber's a fairly responsive maintainer IIRC.
22:47 < pogma> problem is, even if it is fixed in gcc-4.0 we still use g++-3.
22:47 < pogma> 3
22:47 < dmacks> Yup. But should annotate that since perhaps someday we'll go 4.
22:48 < dmacks> (then I can ditch a stupid glib2 patch also:)
22:54 < DonGian> ok, bye and thanks again
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