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00:01 < dmacks> Clef: We finally have new enough GNOME stuff that I'm working on pygtk2-pyXX. Prolly have it ready (at least on 10.3) in a few hours.
00:05 < Clef> cool
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00:26 < miga> dmacks: I've noticed that in libgnomeprintui2.2, gnome-icon-theme is listed both in Depends and BuildDepends. Should I do the same if I need to use gnome-icon-theme in a package?
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00:40 < dmacks> miga: People have been fighting about that for several years. The plan was (and maybe will be again) that Depends will *only* be when the .deb is installed, not [also at build time]. However, fink currently treats all Depends as BuildDepends also.
00:41 < miga> So, what's the correct way to do it right now? Just in Depends?
00:42 < dmacks> That will work now. There will many (and loud) announcements when/if we change how fink works, with plenty of time to fix things. OTOH, others here will say "list it in both now...it's the Right Thing To Do"
00:42 < miga> That's for conglomerate, it uses it at run time, but also indirectly in the code in an error message if it does not find the right icon, so that I'm not sure where to put it.
00:43 < dmacks> No real harm in listing it in both.
00:44 < miga> OK.
00:45 < miga> Another topic: I did not understand well your discussion about multiline in info files. Could you could have a look at say cssed.info in section editor and tell me if it is ok?
00:55 < dmacks> It's fine. If there were anything that could cause a problem, you would have been getting warnings during every selfupdate starting back in fink-0.19 or so:)
00:56 < miga> Ok, then, thanks.
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03:06 < mbroeken> i need a package that won't install on 10.3.9
03:06 < mbroeken> any suggestions?
03:08 < miga> What do you mean? Do you look for a package that it is known as not installing on 10.3.9? But on what criteria? Would you like it to install on 10.4, or on 10.2?
03:11 < mbroeken> miga: that's exactly what i mean
03:11 < mbroeken> i want an error installing a package
03:12 < miga> So, pure not installing on 10.3, full stop?
03:13 < mbroeken> yeah
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03:17 < dmacks_away> At what point do you want the install to fail, mbroeken?
03:17 < mbroeken> any
03:18 < miga> I don't remember, is there XCode already on 10.3.9?
03:19 < dmacks_away> Insert a line "crash here" at the start of the InstallScript in any .info. Or make any change to a Source-MD5 field. Or change a Depends to something that doesn't exist.
03:19 < dmacks_away> XCode started in 10.3. Panther came with 1.0 or 1.1, then Apple released 1.5 for download. Tiger started the XCode 2.x series.
03:20 < miga> Ok, thanks.
03:20 < mbroeken> thank
03:25 < dmacks_away> g'nite all.
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04:59 < lisppaste> mbroeken pasted "FinkCommander crash" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9345
05:00 < mbroeken> anyone care to have a look?
05:00 < mbroeken> i've no idea where to look
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07:07 < sanity> i have install the fink tetex package, but need to install prosper (for creating slideshows).  can anyone tell me how to do that
07:07 < sanity> ?
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07:34 < stuporglue> Has anyone else had trouble building CVS's Openjade? 
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09:19 < newmanbe> Hmm, this is a porn shop apparently.
09:19 < newmanbe> This being #fink.
09:21 < RangerRick> er?
09:21 < newmanbe> fink-core
09:21 < newmanbe> Subject: Fink channel invaded by bad people
09:25 < RangerRick> that was days ago, and hasn't happened again, AFAIK
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09:32 < akh> grrr..."/sw/bin/perl..bad interpreter"
09:33 < newmanbe> !comfort akh
09:33 < Melian> There, there, akh.  It's OK.  I'm here for you.
09:33 < akh> heh
09:34  * akh really should grep through /sw/bin and /sw/sbin and rebuild everything that offends.
09:35 < akh> And here I thought I was saving myself upgrade building time by installing perl-586 when I was on Panther
09:35 < newmanbe> After hearing how poor N64's graphics are, /me commands all video game consoles to use wire frames for everything. 
09:35 < newmanbe> (hearing over and over)
09:35 < akh> Think that'll happen?
09:35 < newmanbe> Defy my power?
09:35 < newmanbe> Probably.
09:36  * akh thinks games should go back to 2D, 256 color sprites.
09:36 < akh> Or ascii.  ;-)
09:43  * newmanbe commands Debian takes a lesson from Fink and specifies the homepage for the package instead of just where it was downloaded from.
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09:45 < akh> Yeah, _that'll_ happen.  
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09:45 < newmanbe> I really don't care where it was downloaded from.
09:45 < newmanbe> Ah! Melian gone! The pain. The horror.
09:48 < akh> No !comfort for you!
09:48 < newmanbe> At least we still have lisppaste. Just think of the flood that could happen.
09:49 < akh> lisppaste:  URL?
09:49 < lisppaste> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink and enter your paste.
09:49 < akh> whew!
09:49 < akh> (since sometimes it's here, but not really here)
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09:56 < akh> she's baaaack!
09:56 < newmanbe> !wb Melian
09:56 < Melian> Welcome back Melian, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos.
09:56 < newmanbe> And I suppose:
09:56 < newmanbe> !wb cirdan
09:56 < Melian> Welcome back cirdan, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos.
09:59 < newmanbe> megahal: What do you think about a mud server for Fink instead of just IRC?
09:59 < megahal> newmanbe: After a you play as big an improvement on on this server.
10:01 < akh> newmanbe: Newbies wouldn't stand a chance.
10:01 < newmanbe> So?
10:01 < newmanbe> :-p
10:01 < akh> just an observation
10:01 < newmanbe> Wouldn't that be the point? :)
10:01 < akh> yup.
10:02 < akh> All the answers would be in the form of a quest?
10:02 < akh> (kind of like real life, really)
10:02 < newmanbe> And make it only work from by installing a fink package.
10:04 < akh> 'fink install fink-mud'
10:05 < akh> That by itself would do some vetting.
10:06 < akh> Especially if it were only available from unstable source.
10:06 < newmanbe> Hmm, this is getting better and better.
10:09 < akh> And a lightning bolt would incinerate anybody asking something that's in the FAQ!
10:09 < newmanbe> Yeah!
10:09 < akh> Cool.  Set it up!
10:10  * newmanbe hijacks sancho again.
10:10 < akh> Hmmm...."checking build system type... powerpc-apple-netbsd8.1.0"
10:11 < akh> !netbsd
10:11 < newmanbe> !pkgsrc
10:11 < newmanbe> !pkg_src
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10:52 < pogma> why does libglade2 depend on python, when it uses /usr/bin/python in the compilescript?
10:55 < cirdan> hey
10:56  * baba depends on beer
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11:00 < akh> pogma: because it hates us.
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11:00 < pogma> akh: nothing should depend on just python
11:01 < pogma> akh: it should have a specific python that it depends on
11:01 < akh> ah
11:02 < pogma> or, since this seems to be happy with apple's python, it should not have a python depends at all
11:02 < akh> yup
11:03 < akh> I think the maintainer won't mind if you edit it.  :-P
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11:04 < neo> hello
11:04 < neo> how can i delete my previous installation of X11 ?
11:04 < pogma> it's dmacks' fault!
11:04 < neo> because the one installed on my tiger doesn't work
11:05 < pogma> neo: installed via fink?
11:05 < neo> no
11:05 < neo> by default
11:05 < pogma> neo: the one installed on my tiger system works fine
11:05 < neo> ok
11:05 < baba> me too
11:05 < neo> but how can i delete mine ?
11:05 < pogma> neo: sudo rm -rf /usr/X11R6 /etc/X11 /Library/Receipts/X11SDK.pkg /Library/Receipts/X11User.pkg
11:05 < neo> thanks
11:06 < pogma> and /Applications/Utilities/X11.app
11:06 < baba> also documented in http://fink.sourceforge.net/doc/x11/inst-xfree86.php?phpLang=en#switching-x11
11:06 < pogma> which is probably better than relying on my memory :)
11:07 < baba> unless you are driking beer, ur memory beats docs and faq
11:08 < akh> baba: Like he said... :-)
11:08 < neo> i've deleted all this things
11:08 < baba> yeah, delete then
11:08 < neo> but while the X11User.dmg installation
11:08 < neo> it says me i've already a newer version installed
11:08 < pogma> where did you get X11User.dmg?
11:08 < pogma> throw it away
11:08 < neo> apple.com
11:09 < neo> apple.com/download/
11:09 < baba> delete /Library/Receipts/X11User.pkg thing
11:09  * pogma goes to check, but bets that is not for tiger
11:09 < neo> i haven't
11:10 < baba> if u r on Tiger, get X11 from DvD
11:10 < neo> yes ...
11:10 < pogma> http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/apple/x11formacosx.html ?
11:10 < neo> but i didn't find it at home :))
11:10 < pogma> don't use that
11:10 < neo> pogma: yep
11:10 < neo> :(
11:11 < baba> u don't find it at home, but u should be able to find in DVD
11:11  * akh has looked, but not found the Tiger version in downloadable form.
11:12 < neo> DVD ?
11:12 < neo> i didn't find my DVDs at home
11:12 < neo> that's the problem :(
11:12 < pogma> look harder
11:12 < baba> r u on Tiger?
11:12 < neo> yes
11:12 < baba> or Panther?
11:12 < neo> tiger
11:12 < baba> u have Tiger installer disc?
11:12 < pogma> they don't offer a download of the tiger version of x11, it seems
11:13 < neo> baba: nop
11:13 < pogma> baba: he lost them
11:13 < baba> heh
11:13 < neo> is it possible for one of you to send it to me ?
11:14 < pogma> that would be software piracy :/
11:14 < baba> i think u need to ask Apple to send another copy
11:14 < baba> or just stick to Fink's X
11:15 < neo> E: Package x11 has no installation candidate
11:16 < baba> xorg?
11:16 < neo> ok last question
11:16 < neo> how can i resize my Macintosh HD
11:17 < neo> without formatting it
11:17 < baba> afaik, u have to reformat
11:17 < neo> :'(
11:17 < cirdan> yup
11:17 < neo> i was wondering to boot on a live cd
11:17 < neo> and use qtparted
11:17 < cirdan> i dont think hfs can be shrunk
11:17 < cirdan> not sure though
11:18 < pogma> there may be commercial tools to do it
11:18 < baba> maybe, but partitioning is a dodgy thing anyway
11:19 < baba> i wouldn't be surprised if u lost all the data
11:19 < pogma> heh, he's already lost his install media
11:19 < baba> oh dear
11:19 < pogma> he'd be totally screwed then :)
11:20 < akh> iPartition is an OSX app that will supposedly do it.
11:20 < akh> (commercial, of course)
11:23 < jtyler> i used ipartition, but i don't think it will resize HFS partitions...
11:24 < baba> HFS+?
11:25 < jtyler> i don't think so!
11:25 < baba> hm
11:25 < jtyler> thats how I found it i was looking hard for something like that 
11:25 < jtyler> that would be similar to partition magic for windows
11:27 < jtyler> if you have a fiewire drive you can copy your main partition to that,,.... I think :D
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11:39 < akh> yup
11:39 < akh> asr
11:42  * akh cloned my main partition before I upgraded to Tiger so that I'd have a Panther build environment available.
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11:50 < knao> hey, I downloaded and installed ethereal
11:50 < knao> but I can't run it
11:50 < knao> I am running X11, and I ran the init.sh, but when I try to run ethereal, it says:
11:50 < knao> No fonts found; this probably means that the fontconfig
11:50 < knao> library is not correctly configured. You may need to
11:50 < knao> edit the fonts.conf configuration file. More information
11:50 < knao> about fontconfig can be found in the fontconfig(3) manual
11:50 < knao> page and on http://fontconfig.org
11:51 < knao> does anyone know what im doing wrong?
11:51 < akh> !fc-cache
11:51 < Melian> from memory, fc-cache is http://www.finkproject.org/faq/usage-fink.php#fc-cache
11:51 < akh> Start there.
11:53 < knao> cool thank you
11:53 < akh> np
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12:23  * akh puts in a feature request for update-all to continue installing other packages that don't depend on one which fails.
12:42 < newmanbe> Hmm, I did a /msg test to Melian.
12:42 < newmanbe> She wasn't very nice.
12:43 < newmanbe> [11:50 46] 	Melian	newmanbe: grrr, what do *you* want?
12:49 < akh> heh:  cirdan must have been working on her.
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13:01 < Stereo> hi folks
13:02 < Stereo> I feel silly recompiling unstable. Has anyone got an unstable base tree I could borrow in a tarball?
13:04 < akh> Not handy
13:04 < akh> And why "silly"?
13:07 < akh> (and for what OS, for that matter?)
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13:31 < Stereo> because most people here will have done it. 10.4.
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13:33 < akh> Ah, "silly" == "redundant"
13:35 < Stereo> yeah
13:35 < Stereo> recompiling the wheel :)
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13:37 < aweil> hello! I'm tring to build octave, after getting a lot of dependencies (also gcc3.1 from xcode), now can't continue building it. when I do fink install octave it says: The following package will be removed: broken-gcc
13:37 < aweil> I tell it to continue and prints: Nothing removed
13:37 < aweil> what should I do?
13:41 < akh> aweil: what OS?
13:41 < akh> Stereo:  just the base tree?
13:41 < akh> I've got a deb repository available.
13:41 < Stereo> 10.4, sorry
13:41 < Stereo> yeah
13:42 < akh> Let me see if I can tar one up...
13:42 < Stereo> I can compile the 2-3 packages I need afterwards
13:42 < aweil> akh: 10.3 panther
13:42 < Stereo> it's a shame fink's unstable isn't binary packages like debian's unstable
13:42 < akh> aweil: And did you install the November 2004 XCode 1.5 update?
13:43 < aweil> I think I did (how could i check it to be sure?)
13:44 < akh> gcc --version
13:44 < akh> (the presence of broken-gcc suggests that you haven't)
13:44 < aweil> akh: gcc (GCC) 3.3 20030304 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 1666)
13:44 < akh> That means you haven't installed it.
13:45 < aweil> akh: thanks, ok I'll do!
13:45 < aweil> (maybe I installed that before I isntalled xcode gcc3.1 and when I did the last, it overwrite the previous?)
13:45 < akh> Maybe...I'm not sure.
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13:47 < aweil> akh: it shouldn't .. but can't be sure.. thanks. i'll re-update the xcode!
13:47 < akh> Stereo: http://ldx3.psfc.mit.edu/~hansen/base.tar.gz
13:47 < akh> (unstable base .deb files)
13:48 < akh> (this may void your warranty ;-))
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13:54 < aweil> someone still have the link to xcode 1.5 upgrade?
13:56 < akh> It's still on connect.apple.com
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13:59 < Stereo> akh: thanks a lot :D
14:00 < akh> yup
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14:22 < aweil> akh: updating xcode worked! thanks!!
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14:27 < runelind> mmm horsepower
14:27 < runelind> working on a quad xeon with 12 gigs of ram right now
14:27 < runelind> while sitting on a dual xeon with 8 gigs of ram
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14:30 < newmanbe> Apple does not communicate with itself.
14:37 < Murr> I'm sorry, but we are not on speaking terms with ourselves right now
14:37 < Murr> and we doubt that we'll get any nookie from ourselves tonight eother
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15:07 < akh> Murr: Now that's bad :-)
15:07 < akh> runelind: Yeah, but they don't have OS X installed, do they?  Huh?  Huh? ;-)
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16:20 < pv2b> hm. ethereal won't work on tiger, installing from the binary distribution. (i can be specific if anyone's awake.) anyone want to be helpful? :-)
16:23 < pv2b> whoop. incomplete dependencies. apt-getting pango1 seems to have fixed part of the problem. not all of it though.
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16:31 < pv2b> yep. the dependencies are incomplete.
16:31 < pv2b> installing a few other rahdom packets, most notable pango1 and gtk+ seems to have fixed the problems.
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16:39 < cirdan> !test
16:39 < Melian> cirdan: grrr, what do *you* want?
16:39 < cirdan> !test1
16:39 < cirdan> !test2
16:39 < Melian> No I'm not online anymore
16:39 < cirdan> !test
16:39 < Melian> No, cirdan, you're not online any more.
16:42 < Murr> hah: http://photos1.blogger.com/img/145/1296/640/miracle.jpg
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17:06 < DonGian> hello
17:09 < dmacks> hi
17:13 < cirdan> arr
17:14 < cirdan> aww
17:14 < dmacks> Ahoy, matey!
17:14 < cirdan> kde died on day 4 of the compile
17:14 < dmacks> d'oh.
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17:15 < dmacks> The po/debconf source mess is now un-messed.
17:16 < cirdan> yay
17:16 < Murr> heh
17:16 < Murr> I'm making progress on ghc
17:16 < cirdan> hey dmacks, could you use update-alternatives eith elinks and links please?
17:16 < cirdan> :-)
17:16 < Murr> one compile every 12 hours or so
17:16 < dmacks> ?
17:16 < cirdan> so if only elinks is installed, there is a links symlink to it
17:16 < dmacks> Yamean pkg elinks should install a links->elinks symlink?
17:17 < cirdan> but the real links package would be a higher preference
17:17 < cirdan> yes
17:17 < dmacks> (not only did we have the same idea, we even aligned "links symlink" in the msgs:)
17:17 < cirdan> heh
17:17 < cirdan> yeah, been missing that feature for a long time
17:18 < cirdan> just never rememberedd to ask ya :-)
17:18 < cirdan> anyone here use icewm?
17:18 < dmacks> There's a new elinks %v; I'll add the update-alternatives when I upgrade us.
17:19 < cirdan> ok
17:19 < cirdan> sweet...
17:19 < dmacks> (there's a new links %v also, someone should update that pkg as well and add the update-alternatives to it)
17:19 < cirdan> right
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17:22 < akh> aaaaaaaaaggh!
17:23 < cirdan> hmm
17:23 < lisppaste> akh pasted "aaagh" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9355
17:23 < cirdan> dmacks: i'm pretty sure socklen_t doesn't exist in a system header in 10.3...
17:23 < cirdan> only in private package ones
17:27 < lisppaste> dmacks pasted "socklen_t on 10.3" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9356
17:27 < cirdan> ok, mr. smarty...
17:28 < dmacks> :)
17:29 < cirdan> i still remember not finding it in the headers
17:29 < dmacks> Well there it is, just like the socket() manpage says.
17:30 < dmacks> akh: Do you have libtool14 installed?
17:30 < dmacks> (we talkin' 10.3 or 10.4, BTW?)
17:31 < akh> 10.4, with libtool14
17:31 < akh> (1.5.18-1)
17:32  * akh would have mailed the maintainer, but, you know....
17:32 < dmacks> heh
17:33 < akh> I figured those who would fix it were likely here.
17:33 < dmacks> Do you have a share/aclocal/glib-gettext.m4 file?
17:34 < akh> yup
17:35 < dmacks> ...that contains lines "glib_DEFUN([GLIB_GNU_GETTEXT]," and "AC_DEFUN([AM_GLIB_GNU_GETTEXT],[GLIB_GNU_GETTEXT($@)])" ?
17:36 < akh> yup
17:36 < dmacks> ...and a share/aclocal/gtk-2.0.m4 that contains an AC_DEFUN for that other missing macro, I assume?
17:37 < akh> yup
17:38 < dmacks> I assume your /sw/bin/aclocal is provided by automake1.9, and is a hard link to /sw/bin/aclocal-1.9?
17:38  * dmacks grasping at straws here.
17:39  * RangerRick needs t otake another whack at alternatives-based auto* packages
17:40 < dmacks> I remember having a hell of a time getting autoconf to find its own .m4; twasn't obeying its manpage at all.
17:40 < RangerRick> there are some patches you need to apply to version some of the older autoconf's
17:40 < RangerRick> newer ones do it for you
17:41 < akh> dmacks:  yup to both
17:41 < dmacks> I eventually said f' it, and just patched it all into acinclude.m4:)
17:42 < dmacks> All I know is it worked for me on 10.3; I don't really understand the inner workings of autocrap, and I'm not on Tiger here to try debugging it. Maybe set some autoreconf flags in the .info to see what dirs and .m4 it's checking?
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17:45 < akh> hmmm...
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17:52 < dmacks> http://thesurrealist.co.uk/slogan.cgi?word=Fink+Project
17:53 < Snaggle> http://thesurrealist.co.uk/slogan.cgi?word=Daniel+Macks
17:54 < dmacks> "Leggo my Daniel Macks". Waffles are okay...better than English muffins. No need to discuss my "nooks and crannies" here:)
17:55 < akh> thanks for that
17:55 < dmacks> :)
17:55 -!- You're now known as RangerAway
17:56 < akh> Wonder if RangerAway got my forwarded koffice bug report.
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18:37  * RangerAway is working on koffice 1.4 and will look into it then  :)
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19:54 < jsubl2> just installed gnome on tiger.. when i try to run a gnome app i get -- no fonts found
19:54 < newmanbe> I think there is an FAQ on this.
19:54 < jsubl2> searching it now
19:55 < jsubl2> yep found faq item on it
19:56 < newmanbe> !$25
19:56 < Melian> methinks $25 is "Your question is in the existing documentation, so either look it up or pay the project a $25 'annoyance fee'."
19:56 < newmanbe> :p
19:56 < jsubl2> ok fair enough
19:56 < jsubl2> lol
19:56 < newmanbe> Payable to newmanbe (cirdan got the last one).
19:56 < newmanbe> Hmm, what in the world in Folio Format.
19:57 < newmanbe> HTML
19:57 < jsubl2> i want gnome-games 2.8.... it has spider two suit
19:57 < newmanbe> With JavaScript. Yuck.
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20:07 < dmacks> Aw man, jsubl2 left before I could try to convince him to upgrade gnome-games for us.
20:08 < newmanbe> Hehehe.
20:09 < RangerRick> hehe
20:09 < RangerRick> I offer to upgrade pkgconfig, 0.17.whatever built fine here on my own machine while I was working on kde/mac stuff  :)
20:10 < RangerRick> or did you beat me to it?
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20:11 < RangerRick> looks like it  :)
20:11 < newmanbe> Hmm, in Wisconsin, even if you have graduated from high school, the public schools still have to admit you until you're 20.
20:11 < newmanbe> Extra two years or so of high school; sound's like fun.
20:12 < RangerRick> not sure what highschool you went to, but I disagree  :)
20:13  * newmanbe does too.
20:17 < newmanbe> Presenting a new charter school sponsored by Fink Developer Network.
20:17 < newmanbe> (Doesn't take much to start a charter school here)
20:18  * RangerRick builds a new kdepim and hopes it fixes the crash errors
20:19 < RangerRick> got a tip that it might be fixed with a static libgpgme  :P
20:21 < dmacks> RangerRick: Based on my inbox, I'm now the network-wide expert on all things pkgconfig, just like you are in charge of KDE x11 and aqua.
20:22  * newmanbe hasn't received a Fink related e-mail in his inbox and declares himself the network-wide expert on all things not Fink.
20:22 < newmanbe> (received in a while anyway)
20:22 < dmacks> Back when the net was young, I used to get wanna-fucks. Now I get wanna-fix-linker-flags:(
20:24 < htodd> I still get pr0n email
20:25 < htodd> that gets through but email from friends can be blacklisted
20:25 < htodd> :P
20:39 < htodd> well, scratch that, I get email telling me of my sexual inadequacies
20:39 < dmacks> Maybe you should stop scratching it so much, mm?
20:46 < pogma> dmacks: Ah, just the fellow
20:47 < pogma> libglade2 has a depends: python
20:47 < pogma> why?
20:47 < dmacks> Maybe it needs python?
20:47 < dmacks> (dunno actually...one moment...)
20:48 < newmanbe> Melain: netbsd is <REPLY>Of course it runs NetBSD, but does NetBSD run Fink?
20:48 < pogma> look at its compilescript
20:48 < pogma> PYTHON=/usr/bin/python ./configure...
20:48 < newmanbe> Melian: netbsd is <REPLY>Of course it runs NetBSD, but does NetBSD run Fink?
20:48 < Melian> newmanbe: okay
20:49 < dmacks> pogma: Hmm...yes, that Depends isn't needed. Should be system-python, but we don't have that.
20:49 < pogma> well, even if it is changed to use fink's python, it needs to choose which one, 24 or 25 etc..
20:50 < pogma> so I can remove that depends and up rev?
20:50 < dmacks> Not true...it's just a python script, no python-versioned modules.
20:50 < dmacks> Yes.
20:51 < pogma> dmacks: It is a Depends, I might want to change around /sw/bin/python to point at 2.3
20:51 < pogma> dmacks: Or remove it
20:51 < pogma> dmacks: I can not remove it with that depends
20:51 < dmacks> Remove it.
20:52 < dmacks> (the dependency). We can fight about potential effects of doing something we aren't doing, later.
20:53 < pogma> well, /me is about to sign a contract accepting a part-time job which will probably mean that I won't  have time to fight about anything in a couple of weeks
20:53 < dmacks> Yeah, jobs suck.
20:54 < baba> steve?
20:54 < pogma> committed
20:54 < pogma> steve?
20:54 < baba> jobs  :p
20:54 < dmacks> Ahhhh.
20:54 < dmacks> :)
21:01 < RangerRick> steve?
21:02 < RangerRick> mel	steve?
21:02 < RangerRick> :)
21:03 < RangerRick> d'oh
21:03 < RangerRick> melian: steve?
21:03 < Melian> Jobs.  Shhhh!  He might hear you!
21:03 < RangerRick> that kind of ruined the moment
21:03  * RangerRick <-- crotchety in his old maintainership
21:04 < dmacks> Thank you, RangerRick, for forever ruining the magic of tab-completion for me:)
21:04 < RangerRick> hehe
21:04 < RangerRick> secrets REVEALED!
21:04 < RangerRick> just wait...
21:05 < RangerRick> maybe next time I'll show you the wonders of backspace!
21:05 < RangerRick> or maybe... I just did!
21:05 < newmanbe> Whoop! Apple Secret Forces Alert!
21:05 < newmanbe> This channel is shutting down.
21:06 < newmanbe> Goodbye and have a nice day. Remember, Apple does what it does because that is what you want.
21:06 < RangerRick> the problem with audible having an "everything is $9.95" sale is that I can't f**king download anything from them
21:06 < RangerRick> they slashdotted themselves  :)
21:07 < newmanbe> Hmm, should have used FreeBSD.
21:07 < newmanbe> :-p
21:10 < dmacks> When I was in college, a page of mine was picked by Mirsky's WotW. Box got /.'ed to hell, though this was before /. existed. We shuolda patented the concept, and now collect royalties every time a server goes down due to getting listed on some popular site.
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21:55 < Clef> my site was listed in teh NY times
21:55 < Clef> and NPR and such
21:55 < Clef> years ago.
21:57 < Clef> NY Times accused my site of being full of broken links. Which it was.
22:00 < dmacks> heh
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22:57 < dmacks> megahal: Stop goofing off!
22:57 < megahal> dmacks: Enough goofing off here. You've got to california and went off on purpose.
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23:14 < htodd> wha?
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23:43 < taf2> i upgraded fink and now svn command doesn't work with https addresses
23:43 < taf2> when i try to install svn-client-ssl i get an error message saying the package "svn" replaces it
23:44 < taf2> but this doesn't seem right, because that package doesn't seem to support ssl
23:44 < taf2> i'm on tiger with fink 0.8
23:44 < taf2> and xcode 2.1
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