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00:08 < dk0rr> is it possible for everytime xterm starts to have the command ". /sw/bin/init.sh" automatically be input
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00:09 < Feanor> yes
00:10 < Feanor> put it in ~/.profile
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00:13 < dk0rr> Feanor, can you explain that?
00:13  * dk0rr is a greenyh
00:13 < dk0rr> -h
00:14 < Feanor> 'pico .profile'
00:14 < Feanor> paste the line in
00:14 < Feanor> and follow the instructions at the bottom to savee
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00:14 < bender|> create the file in your home directory.
00:14 < dk0rr> im not following
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00:15 < dk0rr> past 'pico .profile' into xterm?
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00:15 < bender|> open an xterm, type cd, type pico .profile.
00:15 < dk0rr> there
00:15 < dk0rr> now?
00:15 < bender|> and then put ./sw/bin/init.sh in that file.
00:16 < bender|> so just type it.
00:16 < bender|> thens ave it.
00:16 < dk0rr> how do u save?
00:16 < bender|> control-o
00:17 < bender|> then enter.
00:17 < dk0rr> thankyou
00:17 < dk0rr> appreciate it
00:21 < dk0rr> Is it possible to put an icon on my dock which when clicked on would open ethereal via xterm ?
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00:46 < Fenix-Dark> hello
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00:53 < Fenix-Dark> i just ran the installer for fink on my imac g5 w/tiger, and it said something about not being able to put something into my .profile, so what do i do now?
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01:52 < bender|> anyone here have pyrex installed through fink?
01:54 < bender|> it appears gcc4 can't compile the code it generates :/
02:00 < vasi> hmm, maybe you can tell it to use 3.3?
02:01 < bender|> i'm building xmms2 source with scons.
02:01 < bender|> and it breaks when it gets to the .px stuff.
02:02 < bender|> so maybe i should be telling scons to use 3.3
02:09 < bender|> gah
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02:59 < qiqo> anyone here successfully installed fink in darwin x86?
03:03 < cirdan> bbraun, i think
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04:13 < qiqo> ohh fink is building on my machine
04:13 < qiqo> i used CVS
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04:36 < qiqo> errmm
04:36 < qiqo> help..
04:36 < qiqo> please..
04:37 < qiqo> im having trouble with gettext
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06:52 < qiqo> ei
06:52 < qiqo> somebody please help
06:52 < vasi> qiqo, what problem?
06:52 < qiqo> im having trouble with gettext
06:52 < qiqo> i mean with the whole install thing in fink
06:52 < vasi> i can't see your screen, so you'll have to give me some details
06:52 < qiqo> ok
06:52 < qiqo> so i use x86 darwin
06:52 < qiqo> and i install fink using CVS
06:52 < qiqo> because someone adviced me to use that
06:52 < vasi> so you're bootstrapping?
06:52 < vasi> !lisppaste
06:52 < Melian> somebody said lisppaste was a bot that lets you post large chunks of text without flooding the channel. Use it at http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink
06:52 < vasi> why don't you lisppaste the error you're seeing?
06:52 < qiqo> how can i use that?
06:52 < qiqo> im on a separate machine
06:52 < vasi> i don't care how you do it, but you have to show me the precise error
06:52 < qiqo> it says
06:52 < vasi> i can't just randomly guess
06:52 < qiqo> Can't exec "dpkg-deb: no such file or directory
06:52 < qiqo> or directory at /sw/lib/perl5/fink/Services.pm line 514
06:53 < vasi> k, you're doing a bootstrap install right?
06:53 < qiqo> yeah
06:53 < vasi> you're in stage three?
06:53 < qiqo> errm the fink command is working
06:54 < qiqo> imean if i type fink, it has a corresponding action
06:56 < vasi> did you see a message on your console that said "BOOTSTRAP PHASE THREE: installing essential packages..."
06:57 < qiqo> i dont think so..
06:57 < qiqo> ok, i will reinstall fink.. will you please guide me..
06:57 < vasi> hold on a sec
06:58 < vasi> can you check to see if you're in stage three?
06:58 < vasi> and can you type for me the lines that came before "Can't exec dpkg-deb"?
06:59 < vasi> (it looks like the error might have been earlier)
06:59 < qiqo> ahh ok
06:59 < vasi> also, do you have the command 'dpkg' in /sw/bin?
06:59 < qiqo> oohh
06:59 < qiqo> i dont
06:59 < vasi> that's ok
07:00 < qiqo> i have dpkg-lockwait
07:00 < vasi> that's ok
07:00 < vasi> hold on
07:00 < qiqo> i think something's wrong with gettext
07:00 < qiqo> because when i cvs ed..
07:00 < qiqo> it didnt install
07:00 < qiqo> together with dpkg
07:01 < qiqo> im testing fink: fink install apt
07:01 < qiqo> then a long lines of txt appeared
07:01 < qiqo> and this: the following 5 aditional packages will be installed
07:02 < qiqo> apt-shlibs dpkg gettext gettext-dev tar
07:03 < qiqo> ok.. shall i reinstall?
07:03 < vasi> hold on
07:04 < qiqo> ei..
07:04 < vasi> do you have a directory /sw/bootstrap?
07:04 < qiqo> ermm i think i should
07:04 < vasi> is there a /sw/bootstrap/bin/dpkg in there?
07:04 < qiqo> nope
07:04 < vasi> hmm
07:04 < vasi> can you show me what IS in there?
07:04 < qiqo> i think i need to reinstall...
07:04 < qiqo> can you guide me
07:05 < qiqo> im afraid i couldnt anymore
07:05 < vasi> you DO need to reinstall, but unless we know what went wrong, the same thing will happen again
07:05 < qiqo> i just deleted my /sw forlder
07:05 < vasi> *sigh*
07:05 < qiqo> ohh..
07:05 < qiqo> sorry..
07:05 < qiqo> im really sorry..
07:05 < vasi> it's ok....
07:05 < qiqo> mind if i ask you to guide me step by step?
07:05 < vasi> here's what i recommend....try again, but this time redirect the output to a file
07:06 < vasi> so do something like './bootstrap.sh | tee ~/fink.log'
07:06 < qiqo> ok so im gonna do another cvs again..
07:06 < qiqo> okk
07:06 < vasi> so then if something bad happens, you can move the log file over the network and show it to me :-)
07:06 < qiqo> how bout i install using the source..
07:07 < vasi> that's what boostrapping is :-)
07:07 < qiqo> errmm ok..
07:07 < vasi> are you using darwin 7 or 8?
07:07 < qiqo> i thought its diffrent from downloading it and building it on cvs
07:07 < qiqo> 8.01
07:07 < qiqo> is fink 0.80 supported in 8.01?
07:08 < vasi> yeah...unfortunately there has been a problem with bootstrapping lately, i don't know the details
07:08 < vasi> some ppl say it works, some ppl say it doesn;t
07:08 < vasi> (i have no idea what the status is on x86)
07:08 < qiqo> ahh..
07:09 < vasi> ok, so try it the way i said (using a log file)
07:09 < qiqo> ok..
07:09 < qiqo> it's downloading
07:09 < vasi> just follow instructions normally...and then if anything goes wrong, lisppaste the logfile
07:10 < qiqo> hehe
07:10 < qiqo> okidoki
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07:24 < qiqo> errm
07:24 < qiqo> this is a challege for me
07:24 < vasi> :-)
07:24 < qiqo> hehe i dont now how will i post the log to lisspaste
07:24 < qiqo> gege
07:24 < qiqo> wait..
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07:30 < pogma> if bootstrap brokenness wrt %d has been fixed it should bootstrap ok  on darwin8/x86
07:30 < pogma> as long as qiqo has not updated his tools to the xcode-2.1 source release
07:30 < qiqo> hmm..
07:30  * knghtbrd doesn't have a single box that will run Darwin8/x86  =(
07:31 < vasi> pogma, what's the status of the dpkg/xcode-2.1 fix?
07:31 < vasi> is there anything holding it up, or can it get pushed to stable (and then bootstrap) soonish?
07:31 < knghtbrd> Two macs, three wintels, a MIPS, and various embedded things...
07:31 < pogma> vasi: dunno, I thought drm applied it
07:31 < Bart_> howdy
07:31 < knghtbrd> No Intel chiips with Intel chipsets.  =(
07:32 < pogma> ah, only to unstable? Fine with me if it goes stable
07:32 < Bart_> now i have a smaller dock.. defaults write com.apple.dock tilesize -int 11 i found it Yeepee!!
07:32 < knghtbrd> er wait, actually, that thing is a 440BX..  Hmm, okay, the Celeron 400 COULD theoretically do it.  =)
07:32 < vasi> no known problems then? good
07:33 < qiqo> hmm..
07:33 < qiqo> im trying to type it all up
07:34 < pogma> dude!
07:34 < pogma> do you have ftp
07:34 < pogma> ?
07:34 < vasi> ssh?
07:35 < vasi> any way whatsoever of transferring files? :-)
07:35 < Bart_> http://www.infoshop.org//graphics/iraq_ipod3.jpg
07:35 < lisppaste> qiqo pasted "error with fink" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9398
07:36 < qiqo> i have ftp
07:36 < qiqo> errm...
07:36 < vasi> umm....wtf? that's an unexpected error
07:36 < qiqo> have you seen it?
07:36 < vasi> no....uh, you typed that didn't you?
07:37 < qiqo> yeah..
07:37 < qiqo> errmm having a hard time doing that
07:37 < qiqo> hehe
07:37 < vasi> *sigh*
07:37 < vasi> why don't you just transfer the logfile that i told you to make?
07:38 < pogma> do you have no place to put it?
07:38 < vasi> ftp://vasi.dyndns.org should work for small uploads
07:38 < qiqo> sorry i dont know how to.. :( pardon me
07:38 < qiqo> ok
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07:44 < vasi> qiqo, is it going ok?
07:44 < qiqo> wait im uploading to the ftp
07:45 < qiqo> oops permission denied
07:46 < vasi> try this: curl -F upfile=@fink.log http://vasi.webhop.org/cgi-bin/upload.cgi
07:46 < vasi> assuming your file is named fink.log, of course
07:47 < qiqo> ok done
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07:48 < qiqo> get it?
07:49 < qiqo> ohh try the vasi.dydns.org// i uploaded it there
07:49 < vasi> same thing
07:49 < qiqo> ahh ayt
07:49 < qiqo> so i think its uploaded
07:49 < vasi> hmm, so that's probably the weirdest error i've seen
07:50 < qiqo> really?
07:50 < vasi> hmm, why's it copying 10.2?
07:50 < pogma> thought I fixed it copying 10.2
07:51 < qiqo> i dunno..
07:51 < qiqo> i downloaded .80
07:51 < pogma> bootstrap must be incorrectly detecting the x86 version
07:51 < qiqo> oohh..
07:51 < pogma> I thought you got cvs head?
07:51 < qiqo> yeah i tried that
07:51 < qiqo> but there was a problem with gettext
07:51 < pogma> sigh
07:52 < qiqo> it wasnt building
07:52 < pogma> the 10.2 problem is fixed in head
07:52 < qiqo> ok..
07:52 < qiqo> so ill try to install it from CVS again
07:52 < vasi> if you hit a problem again, just upload the log-file the way i showed you
07:53  * pogma dvd time
07:53 < qiqo> ok
07:53 < vasi> (and poke me in-channel)
07:53 < qiqo> thanks
07:53 < qiqo> hehe
07:53 < vasi> have fun pogma
07:53 < qiqo> happy viewing pogma
07:54 < qiqo> ei i just want to double check if im doing the right thing
07:55 < qiqo> this is the command that i will use right?   cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/fink login  
07:55 < vasi> looks right
07:55 < vasi> and then co fink
07:56 < qiqo> okidoi thanks
07:58 < qiqo> ok im finished with check out
07:58 < qiqo> then im gona go the ./inject thingy right?
07:59 < vasi> bootstrap
07:59 < vasi> ./bootstrap.sh
07:59 < qiqo> like what is stated here: http://fink.sourceforge.net/doc/cvsaccess/index.php
07:59 < qiqo> ahh ok
07:59 < qiqo> bootstrap
08:01 < vasi> alright, it's kinda my bedtime
08:01 < qiqo> yup i did that
08:01 < qiqo> ohh sorry
08:01 < qiqo> hehe
08:01 < qiqo> ei thanks for helping
08:01 < vasi> good luck....hope you can figure thigns out
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08:01 < qiqo> i hope so
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10:30 < drm> help
10:30 < cirdan> hi drm
10:31 < drm> hi cirdan
10:31 < drm> greetings from istanbul
10:32 < drm> oh good, somebody ran the update script on the webserver
10:33 < drm> ok, my only problem now ıs that i need to modify around 20 pkgs but have no ssh access
10:35 < drm> any ideas?
10:35 < pogma> drm: email me a big diff
10:35 < pogma> or wait :)
10:37 < drm> its goıng to be a matter of removıng the GCC lıne frm each pkg, ın both stable and unstable trees
10:41 < drm> hmm, maıler not workıng eıther... half a sec
10:42 < pogma> drm: your irc client is not working either, no "i"s
10:43 < drm> ok, that one shouldve woked
10:43 < drm> worked. even
10:43 < drm> dont they have apostrophes in turkish??
10:44 < drm> the problem is, they have a dotless i which is in the i location on the keyboard
10:45 < pogma> aw! I wanted a diff that I could apply with patch(1) :/
10:45 < pogma> okay, will take 10 minutes
10:46 < drm> sorry; i could make one and send it tomorrow, but it would be a diff against an old chekcout
10:46 < cirdan> hehe
10:46 < pogma> that's okay
10:46 < cirdan> what are you doing in turkey, drm?
10:46 < pogma> I'll live :)
10:49 < pogma> drm: this is just for 10.4 or all trees?
10:50 < drm> cirdan: being a tourist, for once ın my life
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10:51 < drm> pogma: only really needed for 10.4, but maintenance might be easier if done ın 10.3 also
10:51 < pogma> drm: okay, it'll take a bit longer
10:52 < pogma> might have to open the wine :)
10:52 < drm> ok, thıs sounds lıke a dumb question, but how do you copy and paste in windows?
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10:53 < drm> thats windows xp, ın turkish :)
10:54 < dk0r> OFF TOPIC! anyone use ethereal? (noone alive in #ethereal)
10:55 < drm> never mind, figured it out
10:55 < pogma> drm: you included surf
10:56 < pogma> drm: that has a Builddepends: gcc3.1
10:56 < cirdan> whee
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10:56  * pogma has the feeling that he's going to change his mind on this and let drm commit himself
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10:58 < dk0r> /server -m
10:58 < dk0r> /server -m ethereal.web.za
10:59 < drm> but surf shouldnit have GCC, pogma
11:00 < pogma> drm: it has a "setCXX: g++3" Builddep: gcc3.1 and the commented out GCC field
11:00 < pogma> drm: are you sure?
11:04 < drm> the setCXX ıs lazıness on my part
11:05 < drm> i always threw in setCC and setCXX to be sure
11:05 < drm> but if you want to leave that one out, fine by me
11:07 < pogma> I've done a partial commit, working on part 2
11:08 < drm> whats dmacks emaıl?
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11:08 < pogma> netspace.org
11:08 < drm> maıl was refused
11:08 < drm> hmmm
11:14 < drm> well, if dmacks ever get his emaıl fixed, pogma, maybe you could forward my two new msgs to him?  right now, they are returned as user unknown
11:18 < pogma> odd, okay
11:21 < pogma> committing part 2
11:21 < htodd> what's up with drm's keyboard
11:21 < pogma> turkey has abolished his i
11:21 < drm> drm is in an internet cafe in istabul
11:22 < htodd> cool!
11:22 < drm> istanbul
11:22 < drm> the i ıs ın the wrong place
11:22 < htodd> did you swi there from Greece?
11:22 < htodd> swim
11:22 < pogma> boat
11:22 < htodd> I figure if that nancy-boy Byron can do it... :)
11:23 < pogma> okay, I think I skipped surf and visual-py23
11:23 < pogma> they were parenthetic :)
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11:25 < drm> i flew from amsterdam to istanbul in only 48 hours
11:25 < drm> pogma: thanks for the help
11:25 < pogma> via chicago?
11:26 < drm> via raleıgh-durham and toronto, yeah
11:26 < pogma> I think direct flights are a little faster
11:26 < drm> indeed
11:26 < drm> but in this case, not nearly as free
11:28 < pogma> hehe, /me has, when younger and stupider added 15 hours to a journey to save $300
11:28 < pogma> totally not worth it
11:28 < drm> anyway, pogma, the ones you just dıd had maıntaıner core, none, or drm... everybody else gets to do theır own whıle ı am away
11:28 < drm> pogma: ı saved thousands
11:29 < drm> hope yall are filling in the i s
11:29 < pogma> you couldn't have booked the flights the same way and just not got on them and bought a one-way ticket?
11:29 < drm> ok, im probably paying by themınute here... see you later
11:29 < pogma> bye
11:30 < drm> pogma: no, the free one was the istanbul trip, booked before the amsterdam thing came up... very iınflexible about changes (due to lack of seats) and you cant start it ın the middle
11:30 < drm> bye
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11:38 < dk0r> hey you guys know how to install kismet?
11:38 < dk0r> 'fink install kismet' doesnt work :)
11:40 < dk0r> http://fink.sourceforge.net/pdb/package.php/kismet
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12:01 < dk0rr> how do i run ethereal as root?
12:01 < dk0rr> or any app for that matter
12:01 < dk0rr> im on osx using xterm
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12:40 < cirdan> sudo
12:45 < dk0rr> -s :D
12:45 < dk0rr> know how to installl kismet>?
12:45 < dk0rr> fink kismet install = no go
12:45 < dk0rr> blah fink install kismet
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14:57 < newmanbe> RangerRick: Wait releasing the fixed KDE 3.4.1 until someone uses it for DarwinPorts. :)
14:58 < newmanbe> "[14:03 54] 	mino	olegb: i plan to, but it's not quite there yet.  i've got qt3.3.4 and arts/kdelibs from kde 3.4.1 going, by porting stuff over from fink. kdebase is building now.  it's all a little messy atm"
15:04 < akh> aaaaggh!  I just finished updating everything for TIger and now this!
15:04 < newmanbe> !comfort akh
15:04 < Melian> There, there, akh.  It's OK.  I'm here for you.
15:05 < newmanbe> Is TIger like a Titanium version of Tiger?
15:05 < newmanbe> :-p
15:07 < akh> Yeah, that' it.  ;-)
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15:10 < newmanbe> !lart ATA/IDE (or whatever they're calling it today)
15:10  * Melian drops a humongous exploding nuke on ATA/IDE (or whatever they're calling it today)
15:10 < newmanbe> Limiting me to four drives. Bah.
15:10 < newmanbe> SCSI forever!
15:12 < akh> You could always get another ATA card...and SCSI still only let you have what, 16 devices?
15:15 < cirdan> right, unless u get quad channel ultra 320 scsi raid card :-D
15:15 < cirdan> vc
15:15 < cirdan> bah
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15:17 < akh> Good idea.
15:17 < Albie> hmms... there isn't a virtual package for installed python? :-(
15:17 < cirdan> no
15:17 < cirdan> becuase it doesnt include everything
15:17 < dk0r> sata has command que. why use scsi?
15:18 < cirdan> cause it still sucks
15:18 < cirdan> scsi is tried and true
15:23 < Albie> ok, installing tcltk :-S
15:23 < dk0r> im not up to date on it, but.. why does it still suck?
15:24 < dk0r> scsi is also alot more expensive
15:24 < cirdan> scsi drives are usually good for 1million hours ontime, too
15:25 < cirdan> that's like 53 *years* for the MTBF
15:25 < cirdan> and ata drives get what, 1 year warrenty?
15:25 < cirdan> i'd rather have scsi
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15:44 < dk0r> uh..
15:44 < dk0r> i dont care what they are estimated for
15:44 < dk0r> they can estimate me to the sky
15:44 < dk0r> the warranties are the same
15:44 < dk0r> you dont get a longer warranty on a drive that spins faster and gets hotter :)
15:45 < dk0r> @least not at pro-consumer grade. 
15:45  * dk0r shrugs
15:45 < dk0r> and still even @ pro-consumer, you pay out the ass
15:47 < cirdan> scsi drives usually still have a 5 year minimum warrenty
15:48 < cirdan> and there is a huge difference for a drive with a MTBF of 1000 hrs and one of 1000000 hrs
15:48 < cirdan> MTBF isn't so much of an estimate as a average lifespan
15:49 < cirdan> !seen dmacks
15:49 < Melian> dmacks <~dmacks@dmacks.active.supporter.pdpc> was last seen on IRC in channel #fink, 1d 1h 54m 7s ago, saying: 'I don't think so directly. We are following semi-consensus among the legal advisors to other package-manager systems.'.
15:49 < cirdan> !seen vasu
15:49 < Melian> cirdan: i haven't seen 'vasu'
15:49 < cirdan> !seen vasi
15:49 < Melian> vasi <~vasi@modemcable214.145-70-69.mc.videotron.ca> was last seen on IRC in channel #fink, 7h 48m 10s ago, saying: 'good luck....hope you can figure thigns out'.
15:49 < cirdan> hrm
15:50 < cirdan> hey akh ping
15:51 < akh> pong
15:51 < cirdan> wanna help me hack in HEAD? :-)
15:52 < cirdan> i'm thinking  of adding a --hold flag for anything that builds
15:53 < cirdan> so I can do fink update-all --hold glib2 and it won't attempt to build glib2 or it's parents/children
15:53 < cirdan> also remove anything that can't be built with the currently installed version
15:53 < cirdan> for some reason the glib2 in 10.4 won't build
15:55 < akh> Really?  It worked for me.
15:55 < cirdan> yeah
15:55 < akh> hmm...
15:56 < akh> I can do some testing--it'll have to be over SSH.
15:56 < cirdan> you're not on the gnome team, right?
15:56 < akh> (or maybe not--my laptop's booted into Panther right now, though)
15:56 < cirdan> eh., it's np
15:56 < akh> cirdan:  nope.
15:56 < cirdan> i'm feeling very lazy now anyway :-)
15:57 < akh> Who is?  ;-)
15:57 < akh> (on the gnome team)
15:57 < cirdan> haha
15:57 < cirdan> cat /etc/aliases
15:57 < cirdan> gnome-team: |/dev/null
15:57 < akh> Sounds close.
15:59 < cirdan>  gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I.. -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=\"GLib\" -DG_DISABLE_CAST_CHECKS -DG_DISABLE_DEPRECATED -DGLIB_COMPILATION -no-cpp-precomp -isystem /sw/include -D_POLL_EMUL_H_ -O3 -funroll-loops -fstrict-aliasing -Wall -c garray.c  -fno-common -DPIC -o .libs/garray.o
16:00 < cirdan> In file included from gasyncqueue.c:448:
16:00 < cirdan> galiasdef.c:130: error: only weak aliases are supported in this configuration
16:00 < cirdan> ...
16:00 < cirdan> lots of em
16:02 < akh> hmmm...XCode2.1?
16:03 < cirdan> what about it?
16:03 < akh> I builit glib2 with XCode 2.0
16:03 < cirdan> ah
16:03 < cirdan> yeah, maybe
16:03 < cirdan> hrm
16:03 < cirdan> grrr
16:04 < akh> It's as a good of a guess as I've got right now.
16:04 < cirdan> right
16:04 < cirdan> it's mostlikely the reason
16:05 < cirdan> !summon dmallloc
16:05  * Melian takes out 20 clean, identical-looking phones, some extra hands, and pretends to be a telemarketer for a large corporation, so she gets delivered a phonelist containing dmallloc's coordinates.
16:06 < akh> biab--gotta grab some dinner fixin's
16:06 < cirdan> yup
16:06 < cirdan> i think i'll just relax...
16:07 < akh> Enjoy the heat? ;-)
16:07 < cirdan> yeah
16:08 < cirdan> went swimming, had a few daqueries w/my gf before work...
16:08 < cirdan> sat in the sun
16:08  * akh is heating up the joint by backing my powerbook up onto a removable.
16:08 < cirdan> am now ready for nap :-)
16:08 < cirdan> heh
16:08 < newmanbe> cirdan: GF? Melian is right here.
16:08 < cirdan> need to water cool it and pump the water to a pool
16:08 < akh> heh
16:09 -!- mode/#fink [+o cirdan] by ChanServ
16:09 <@cirdan> ahem.
16:09 < newmanbe> !mercy
16:09 <@cirdan> heh
16:09 -!- mode/#fink [+q newmanbe!*@*] by cirdan
16:09 <@cirdan> :-)
16:10 -!- mode/#fink [-q newmanbe!*@*] by cirdan
16:10 -!- mode/#fink [-o cirdan] by cirdan
16:10 < newmanbe> +q is quiet?
16:10 < cirdan> yes
16:10 < newmanbe> I  could have just changed by nick based on the hostmask.
16:10 < cirdan> right
16:11 < cirdan> but then i could just kickban you :-)
16:11 < newmanbe> Then I would only be in fink@conference.jabber.org where I can kickban whoever I want AND get their Jabber ID.
16:11 < cirdan> ooo
16:13 < dk0r> jabber id!
16:13 < newmanbe> akh can kickban people too.
16:13 < newmanbe> But not me.
16:13 < dk0r> wheres akh?
16:13 < newmanbe> And I suppose I can't kick ban him.
16:13 < dk0r> oh 
16:13 < dk0r> there he is
16:13 < cirdan> getting food for dinner :-)
16:13 < dk0r> newman. got a minute?
16:14 < newmanbe> For what?
16:14 < dk0r> mio!~
16:14 < dk0r> wondering i might do the following
16:15 < dk0r> put an icon in dock, so that when it is clicked, it signs me in as root, does this command ". /sw/bin/init.sh"  and starts ethereal
16:15 < newmanbe> You could make a shell script to do that.
16:15 < newmanbe> !lisppaste
16:15 < Melian> hmm... lisppaste is a bot that lets you post large chunks of text without flooding the channel. Use it at http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink
16:15 < cirdan> there is something on versiontracker that will let u do that
16:15 < dk0r> will the new automater in osx 10.4 let me do it?
16:16 < cirdan> no idea
16:16 < cirdan> try it
16:16 < dk0r> me neither
16:16 < dk0r> meh. im green
16:16 < dk0r> and./or lazy heh
16:16 < newmanbe> dk0r: It it makes more sense to have . /sw/bin/init.sh in your .xinitrc file.
16:16 < newmanbe> !xinitrc
16:16 < Melian> extra, extra, read all about it, xinitrc is http://fink.sourceforge.net/doc/x11/run-xfree86.php#xinitrc
16:16 < dk0r> i tried doing that lastnight
16:16 < dk0r> someone showed me how
16:16 < dk0r> but it didnt work
16:16 < dk0r> and I was tired
16:16 < newmanbe> Melian: forget xinitrc
16:16 < Melian> i forgot xinitrc, newmanbe
16:17 < dk0r> can you guide me through it
16:17 < dk0r> ?
16:17 < dk0r> please*
16:17 < newmanbe> Melian: xinitrc is http://www.finkproject.org/doc/x11/run-xfree86.php#xinitrc
16:17 < Melian> okay, newmanbe
16:17 < newmanbe> dk0r: Making the .xinitrc file?
16:17 < dk0r> uh idk. doing what i said before
16:17 < cirdan> heh
16:18 < dk0r> i told you, im green to this stuff.
16:18 < dk0r> i just wana do the least amount of typing to open and run ethereal
16:18 < dk0r> its all i use xterm for
16:18 < newmanbe> You could use one of the sudo front-end for X11.
16:19 < dk0r> well, i dont know what that is. Could you guide me through it please?
16:21 < dk0r> ..l
16:21 < newmanbe> I believe there is a package called gtksu that does that, but that has some dependencies.
16:21 < dk0r> k*
16:21 < dk0r> hrm.. idk
16:21 < newmanbe> I think it is probably simplest to just use xterm.
16:21 < cirdan> you could just make a .command file
16:21 < dk0r> just need to be root, and have ". /sw/bin/init.sh" input when xterm  starts
16:22 < newmanbe> Hmm, was going to suggest that, but just cmod it instead.
16:22 < dk0r> however its done i have no preference
16:22 < dk0r> could someone walk me through whatever method you choose?
16:22 < dk0r> heh
16:22 < cirdan> dk0r: there is a util on versiontracker that will do what you want, i thkn
16:23  * newmanbe is nearing the point (tiredness) where the advise he gives is not going to be good advise.
16:23 < dk0r> heh ok np.
16:23 < dk0r> im in no rush
16:23 < dk0r> you guys no when rudy__ comes around?
16:24 < newmanbe> In xterm, you could run "sudo /sw/bin/ethereal" in xterm (w/o quotes).
16:24 < newmanbe> Then you won't have to use the . /sw/bin/init.sh.
16:24 < dk0r> yeah but i dont wana type that everytime
16:24 < dk0r> i just want to open xterm
16:24 < dk0r> and type ethereal
16:24 < dk0r> have everything allready done
16:25 < newmanbe> You could edit the sudoers file and have it not prompt you for your password for ethereal.
16:25 < newmanbe> Then you would just have to type "sudo ethereal".
16:25 < dk0r> im not prompted for password for ethered
16:25 < dk0r> ethereal
16:25 < dk0r> just sudo -s
16:25  * newmanbe goes to read the man page for sudo to see what the -s does.
16:25 < dk0r> idk
16:26 < cirdan> shell
16:26 < dk0r> thats just what someone told me to do
16:26 < cirdan> gives just a root shell
16:26 < dk0r> and it works
16:26 < dk0r> :shrug:
16:26 < cirdan> it's the same as sudo /bin/bash
16:26 < dk0r> bash the bin!
16:26 < newmanbe> Hehehe.
16:26 < dk0r> maybe it would be easier attacking 1 prob @ a time :)
16:27 < dk0r> how do you make it so when xterm is launched your automatically logged in as root?
16:27  * newmanbe has thought of one way.
16:27 < cirdan> you dont
16:27 < Albie> AAAAARRRRRRRRRGH!
16:28 < newmanbe> You set the sudoers file to not prompt for a password for xterm.
16:28 < cirdan> newmanbe: no, no, no...
16:28 < cirdan> never set that up
16:28 < Albie> svn needs ruby, python, guile and a dozen more packages :-S
16:28  * newmanbe would never do that.
16:28 < cirdan> at most make it so etheral needs no passwd
16:28 < newmanbe> That is what /me said to do.
16:28 < dk0r> ethereal need no password to begin with
16:29 < cirdan> dk0r: to run it with sudo it does
16:29 < dk0r> ethereal has never asked me for a password
16:29 < newmanbe> It shouldn't.
16:29 < dk0r> even when i run as root
16:29 < cirdan> i know
16:29 < cirdan> doesnt matter
16:29 < dk0r> oh ok. then were misunderstanding
16:29 < dk0r> np.
16:29 < cirdan> dk0r: do u use x11.app?
16:29 < dk0r> im a greeny pay no attention
16:29 < cirdan> or xdarwin
16:29 < dk0r> yes
16:29 < dk0r> x11
16:29 < newmanbe> He uses X11.app. 
16:30 < newmanbe> Was here yesterday.
16:30  * dk0r uses x11.app
16:30 < cirdan> have you just tried open-x11 sudo ethereal?
16:30 < dk0r> nope will try now
16:30 < dk0r> i have to restart to see if it will work. brb
16:31 < newmanbe> !lart commands with no man-pages
16:31  * Melian says "boot to the head" and knocks commands with no man-pages over
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16:32 < newmanbe> Sticks and stones may break there bones but saying something won't!
16:32 < newmanbe> !lart Melian
16:32  * Melian hooks into a hydrant and hoses newmanbe down
16:32 < newmanbe> s/there/their/
16:32 < newmanbe> !lart hose wielding bots
16:32 < cirdan> hmm
16:32  * Melian blames hose wielding bots for all the evil in the world
16:33 < cirdan> he is a pain...
16:33 < newmanbe> Yeah.
16:33 < newmanbe> Mealian: No, ice creme trucks are the root of all evil.
16:34 < newmanbe> megahal: Do you like ice creme?
16:34 < megahal> newmanbe: Ice cream cakes are the same. I think i like but it would continue on forever if it is you.
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16:40 < dk0r> whos using colloquy?
16:40 < dk0r> how do i show the small rectangular window with the servers in them?
16:40 < dk0r> with the connect and join channel icons?
16:40 < newmanbe> Did you real the documentation?
16:40 < dk0r> its gone and I cant get it back.
16:40 < dk0r> nope :)
16:41 < dk0r> rtfm!
16:41 < dk0r> psudo ethereal didnt do jack
16:41 < newmanbe> sudo ethereal
16:41  * dk0r sighs
16:42 < dk0r> weird
16:42 < dk0r> 1st time asked for pw
16:42 < dk0r> entered pw
16:42 < dk0r> said command not found
16:42 < dk0r> enter sudo ethereal again
16:42 < dk0r> command not found
16:42 < dk0r> no pw prompt
16:42 < Albie> erm
16:42 < theid_away> doesn't prompt for 5 minutes after the last use of the sudo command
16:42 < Albie> why does some packages want python23 and others python?
16:43 < newmanbe> sudo /sw/bin/ethereal
16:43 < theid_away> unless you change your sudo etc file
16:43 < Albie> I need to install both? :-S
16:43 < newmanbe> !python
16:43  * newmanbe doesn't know and isn't feeling nice enough to find out right now. :)
16:43 < dk0r> anyone know how to paste into xterm using powerbook?
16:43 < newmanbe> Are you using quartz-wm?
16:44 < dk0r> ?
16:44 < newmanbe> Do you have a three button mouse?
16:45 < dk0r> no
16:45 < dk0r> one button
16:45 < dk0r> powerbook G4 aluminum
16:45 < dk0r> command+c does mnot work
16:45 < Albie> shift+ins? 
16:45 < newmanbe> Try pressing command+option on the mouse button to paste something.
16:45 < dk0r> no insert button
16:46 < Albie> after a month in a powerbook Albie discovered it doesn't have an insert button :-S
16:46 < dk0r> holding command+option while clicking on xterm, cleared all text from xterm
16:46 < dk0r> ethereals still running tho
16:46 < dk0r> albie
16:46 < newmanbe> Did you have any text in the clipboard?
16:47 < dk0r> i suggest you purchase a keygbuard
16:47 < dk0r> incase u leak water
16:47 < dk0r> one drop will void warranty
16:47 < dk0r> yes newman....
16:47 < dk0r> hey!
16:47 < dk0r> holding option and clicking works tho
16:47 < dk0r> cool
16:48 < newmanbe> Hmm, maybe Apple maps option+click to middle mouse button and option+command+click to the right button.
16:48 < dk0r> well ty :) hopefully later someone can help me reduce sudo /sw/bin/ethereal to ethereal
16:48 < dk0r> apple are dicks
16:48 < dk0r> they tried screwing me good
16:48 < newmanbe> !steve
16:48 < Melian> Jobs.  Shhhh!  He might hear you!
16:49 < cirdan> xorg lets u assign the buttons
16:49 < dk0r> steve joeb's is a communist
16:50 < newmanbe> !steve
16:50 < Melian> Jobs.  Shhhh!  He might hear you!
16:50 < dk0r> ...
16:50 < dk0r> !steve
16:50 < Melian> Jobs.  Shhhh!  He might hear you!
16:50 < newmanbe> !melian
16:50 < Melian> extra, extra, read all about it, melian is a hoot
16:50 < dk0r> !steve king dead
16:51  * dk0r sighs
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17:30 < akh> grrr....stupid missing c++filt
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17:51 < Albie> GAH!
17:51 < Albie> One tool needs db 4.1, another needs 4.2 and yet another wants 4.3
17:52 < Albie> the interesting portion about this is that their API is completely different
17:54 < Albie> while libraries are numbered accordingly, header files are not...
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18:17 < theid> well since things are pretty quiet around here, I'll ask if anyone has had to deal with the fadvise functions
18:17 < lisppaste> theid pasted "gnome-vfs2 fadvise" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9411
18:18 < theid> google showed me this: http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/posix_fadvise.html
18:19 < theid> but fcntl.h doesn't have anything of the sort on OS X
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18:20 < theid> what's really got me puzzled is that I modified the package to be equivalent to the darwinports version, patches and all, and their copy must be working
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18:23 < theid> if anyone's feeling adventurous on a Saturday night, you can try what I've got so far: http://www.amesmug.org/~theid/fink/gnome-etc/gnome-vfs2.[info,patch]
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19:18 < dk0r> anyone remember exactlly what rudy__ nick is?
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21:10 < pogma> love fink commander reports - "gcc version: 8 "
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21:58 < att> hi folks, this is a bit off topic, but has anyone used SCPlugin?
21:58 < att> I just don't know exactly how to connect to an svn server with it.
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22:46 < newmanbe> Hehehe: Topic for #darwinports, [21:54 03] 	-ChanServ-	       Topic: If you need help with DarwinPorts, nobody can save you now.
22:47 < qiqo> hahaha
22:47 < qiqo> yeah..
22:47 < qiqo> and nobody's there
22:47 < qiqo> i mean...
22:47 < qiqo> no one is online
22:47 < knghtbrd> That's okay, the darwinports people tend to be really condescending if you ask for help anyway IME
22:48  * newmanbe was there.
22:48 < newmanbe> Terrifying.
22:48 < newmanbe> It was registered over a year ago.
22:48 < knghtbrd> they're all in #opendarwin I think
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