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00:06 < theid> does anyone know where the libxml2 package is going, in terms of splitoffs?
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00:12 < theid> never mind, I think I've seen the trend in packages, 2.8->2.10
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01:12 < dmacks> theid: Unless we find a Very Good Reason, we try not to change package layouts.
01:13 < dmacks> So unless Some New Version of libxml2 is drastically different from previous, it'll stay the same.
01:13 < theid> the gnome 2.8 packages depend on different splitoffs than 2.10, that's all I was wondering about
01:13 < dmacks> Where are the 2.8 and 2.10 .info you're looking at?
01:14 < theid> experimental
01:14 < dmacks> Ignore them entirely.
01:14 < theid> well I've got gnome-vfs2 [-ssl] working now
01:15 < theid> 2.10.1
01:15 < dmacks> I know many exp/2.8 are covered with mistakes. Best to base any new-versions on the well-tested unstable (2.6) ones.
01:17 < theid> there were some significant changes in 2.10, so it's fairly different than 2.6 and 2.8
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01:19 < dmacks> Then it's fine to fix whatever changes (obviously:)
01:19 < dmacks> gnome-vfs2-ssl compiled for me with minimal changes from 2.6
01:20 < dmacks> (can't remember exactly *what* changes...I'm not at my OS X machine right now)
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01:23 < dmacks> (I'll drop it in my exp when I get home tonite...we can compare'n'contrast solutions:)
01:31 < theid> the only thing I haven't gotten to is the libhowl problem
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02:06 < knghtbrd> DVD+-RW is getting cheap  =)
02:06 < knghtbrd> +R DL drives are also cheap, though of course the media is price fixed still  =(
02:07 < jack-> whats the difference +r dl vs -r dl?
02:07 < jack-> arent -r ones more compatible and stuff?
02:07 < knghtbrd> -R DL doesn't exist  ;)
02:07 < jack-> oh
02:07 < jack-> true, thats +r what i got here
02:07 < jack-> lol
02:07 < knghtbrd> -R doesn't require a player that supports anything special at all
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02:08 < knghtbrd> +R requires a player that supports +R (which all do now)
02:08 < jack-> ok
02:09 < Feanor> actually, i have some dual layer +R discs, and they don't play properly in all but one of my drives
02:09 < knghtbrd> +R is honestly the better technology
02:09 < Feanor> probably because it was cheap memorex media
02:09 < knghtbrd> but it's hard to beat the guaranteed compatibility of -R
02:09 < jack-> same with verbatim, Feanor
02:09 < Feanor> and only chinese stuff handles those because nobody in china uses anything but pirated media
02:09 < jack-> its the drives that fail
02:10 < knghtbrd> +R DL is just nearly twice the capacity (and bigger enough for nearly all Hollywood DVD releases!)
02:10 < jack-> 4x the price of single layer, though
02:10 < jack-> but i guess that will get better soon
02:11 < knghtbrd> last I checked, DL discs were $10 each
02:11 < knghtbrd> if you're paying $2.50 for a single layer DVD, you're getting ripped.
02:11 < jack-> around 7 here atm, the verbatims
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02:12 < jack-> but you're right, more than 4x anyway
02:13 < knghtbrd> It's like I said, they're price fixed
02:14 < jack-> hope there will be a few more good manufacturers in a bit
02:14 < jack-> that wouldnt hurt :)
02:17 < knghtbrd> hmm, I had hoped I would know what to do when I got here when I got here  =)
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03:18 < miga> Hi everybody.
03:19 < miga> Could somebody help me with g++ matters, please?
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03:33 < miga> I have a package with is written mainly in C, but it builds a private library written in C++. The main Makefile.am uses gcc. In the Makefile.am for the library, there is a CC=g++. In the final link part of the main package, there is also g++, so that in the particular case of 10.4-transitional, dropping the various GCC, SetCXX, SetCC fields, it first compiles with gcc, then switch to g++-3.3 for the library; then link at final stage wi
03:33 < miga> th g++. Any idea how I can make it work correctly?    
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04:08 < miga> Hi baba
04:09 < baba> hi miga
04:09 < baba> how's france?
04:09 < miga> hot, very hot :-)
04:09 < baba> same here
04:10 < miga> already 29°C at 7 a.m; yesterday was 39°C at 8. p.m.
04:11 < baba> oh..
04:11 < baba> it was like 34°C here
04:12 < miga> That's better :)
04:12 < miga> Are you in the mountains?
04:12 < baba> in the mountains?
04:12 < baba> surrounded by mountains, though
04:12 < miga> I mean sometimes there is a little more wind in the mountains.
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04:13  * miga has no idea of the geography of baba's location.
04:13 < baba> hehe
04:13 < baba> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyoto
04:15 < miga> wwoah; quoted "famous for its stifling summernights with no air movement". 
04:16 < baba> it's very humid here
04:16  * miga has air movement in the night. That makes the temperature lower by 5 to 10 °C.
04:17 < miga> Here no even the slightest drop of water. flowers and vegetables are thirsty
04:17 < miga> humans too :-)
04:18 < baba> it's supposed to be a rain season here, but no water this year
04:18 < miga> That's very interesting the wikipedia link.
04:20  * miga 's here <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yerres>
04:23 < baba> interesting
04:24 < miga> Not so much as yours, but obviously  a very little town, was a village 30 years ago.
04:25 < baba> so u r a Yerrois?
04:25 < miga> No, I'm a woman, so I'm a Yerroise.
04:26 < miga> But any man located in Yerres is a Yerrois, yes.
04:27 < miga> You pronounce it about as: yeahrrrrrrrwoahzzzzzzzzz
04:27 < miga> for women, and yeahrrrrrrrrrwoah for men.
04:27 < baba> how many r's?
04:27 < baba> yeah rrrrrr woah
04:28 < miga> The maximum as English people have hard time to pronounce the French r.
04:29 < miga> And a double French r is more stressed as a single French r.
04:29 < baba> oic
04:30 < baba> now i think i can visit Yerres from Paris
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04:30 < miga> Yes, of course, there is direct train, about 15 minutes from Paris.
04:32 < baba> and i shout " Je sui Yeahrrrrrrwoahzzzzz!"
04:32 < miga> And in the Caillebotte park, there is  tea ceremony every Sunday.
04:32 < miga> yes :-)
04:32 < baba> wonderful
04:32 < baba> maybe i'll bring japanese tea
04:33 < miga> I think they have, but well you may bring your own, of course :-)
04:34 < baba> u mean japanese style tea ceremony in Yerres?
04:34 < miga> Yes, exactly baba, Japanese tea ceremony.
04:35 < baba> are there japanese living in Yerres?
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04:37 < miga> I don't know how many, but yes there are some. They make this Japanese tea ceremony at the beginning together with the cultural service of Yerres.
04:39 < baba> kyoto is kinda home of tea ceremony :)
04:40 < miga> yes, sure.
04:40 < baba> just cross the road from my room lives famous tea family
04:53 < baba> hm Answer in FAQ cplusplusfilt is funny
04:54 < miga> Here's a site about Yerres, it is written in French, but there are many, many images, when you click on the link, so that you'll get an idea of the architecture : <http://www.yerres-nostalgie.com/>
04:54 < miga> Yes, I've reported it on fink-i18n mailing list, and stated what I've done in French.
04:57 < baba> agree, it IS funny
05:01 < miga> baba; do you know the gcc-3.3 stuff?
05:02 < baba> huh?
05:02 < baba> packaging?
05:02 < miga> Yes.
05:02 < miga> Specifically when c++ code is involved.
05:03 < baba> not much
05:03 < miga> I have hard time to convince a package to have the same behaviour under 10.3; 10.4-transitional and forthcoming 10.4.
05:07 < baba> u maintain many C++ packages, that's why
05:08 < miga> No, just two have C++ code, and even one it is just the creation of a new object, the other one builds a c++ library, all other packages are pure (well not so pure) C code.
05:09 < miga> But the problem is they all assign value to CC and the like in the Makefile, so that sometimes the variables set by Fink on 10.4-transitional are overwritten, and sometimes not, that's very weird.
05:13 < baba> yeah, different packages have different behaviours
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05:15 < miga> No, I mean within the same package: as it sets some CC variables, it overwrites sometimes the mechanism of changing the ABI in 10.4-transitional, but not in all parts. 
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05:16 < baba> heh..
05:17 < miga> That is it works, if and only if the ABI is in harmony (what a word for compilation!!! :-))) with the gcc value, which is not the case in 10.4-transitional.
05:17  * baba passes this issue to core team
05:18 < miga> Yes, probably I'll flood again core, devel, users, beginners with this issue, so that I may have (who knows) chance that I get an answer :-)
05:20  * miga pondering if it will not be better to write fink-i18n about it :-)
05:24 < baba> sounds like -devel quesion, isn't it
05:24 < miga> Yes, it is.
05:26 < miga> But it is also a more general packaging question, which is not well answered in the packaging manual. What to do exactly (i.e. which variable to pass to the Makefile), so that a set in a Makefile works in harmony with the one sets in Fink.
05:26 < miga> So that it may also be a core team question.
05:27 < baba> yeah
05:28 < miga> As many, many gtk applications sets value either in the aclocal, or in the configure or in the Makefile, it is sometimes a nightmare to get them right.
05:32 < baba> yeah
05:32 < baba> big application syndrome
05:33 < miga> Oh, not always, sometimes, that's also true for little applications.
05:36 < baba> true
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09:18 < lamer0> anyone know that status of 'bazaar' package in 10.4-transitional?
09:27 < akh> Nonexistent.
09:31 < lamer0> is it possible to some how grab the 'port' from 10.3 and try to compile it under 10.4?
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09:37 < pogma> the reason things don't make the new tree is usually that they do not build/work
09:37 < pogma> but you can try
09:41 < akh> Anything that didn't build immediately got pulled, and it looks like the maintainer hasn't gotten a working replacement as of yet.
09:41 < akh> (though maybe he just forgot ;-) )
09:43 < pogma> email the maintainer, I think he's one of the ones who responds :)
09:45 < akh> Yeah, and he comes to #fink every so often, too.
09:46 < akh> grrr...Aqua broke.
09:46 < akh> biab
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09:49 < pogma> lamer0: you want a .info file that at least builds?
09:49 < lamer0> sure
09:49 < pogma> I think I've got it
09:49 < akh> whewie--that was an X11 or MSWindows quality breakage.
09:49  * pogma waits for build to complete
09:50 < lamer0> pogma so you got baz to build?
09:50 < pogma> think so, hasn't failed yet
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09:50 < pogma> test phase
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09:51 < lamer0> nice
09:53 < pogma> test phase takes longer than build :)
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09:57 < pogma> Hi RangerRick 
09:57 < RangerRick> howdy
10:00 < pogma> lamer0: pogma.com/misc/bazaar.info and pogma.com/misc/bazaar.patch
10:00 < lamer0> thank you, I think I can figure out what to do with them. (coming from darwinports)
10:01 < pogma> lamer0: I've emailed a diff to the maintainer
10:01 < lamer0> thanks, much appreciated
10:02 < lamer0> any big changes done?
10:02 < lamer0> or just minor stuff?
10:02 < pogma> force gcc-3.3
10:02 < pogma> that's all
10:03 < pogma> declaration of static before non-static with gcc-4.0 that I could not be bothered patching
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10:05 < lamer0> hmm
10:06 < lamer0> I just added those two files to devel and ran fink index;fink scanpackages;fink install bazaar - seems like it can't find it still
10:06 < lamer0> am I missing anything?
10:06 < pogma> lamer0: what is "just added those two files to devel" ?
10:07 < lamer0> as in under /sw/fink/10.4-transitional/stable/main/finkinfo
10:07 < lamer0> the info and the patch file
10:07 < pogma> lamer0: don't put them there
10:07 < pogma> lamer0: put them in /sw/fink/dists/local/main/finkinfo/
10:07 < lamer0> oh ok
10:07 < pogma> and make sure that local/main is in the trees: line in /sw/etc/fink.conf
10:08 < RangerRick> (it should already be)
10:08 < lamer0> its there
10:08 < lamer0> so run index;scanpackages again?
10:08 < pogma> fink index
10:08 < lamer0> thanks
10:09 < pogma> no need for scanpackages
10:09 < pogma> (should be no need for index, but who knows)
10:10 < lamer0> ah great all is working now, thank you for the support
10:12 < dk0r_> anyone set to autoaccept? i have to test dcc
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10:23 < Gerk_> 'lo all .. anyone here using analog from fink ?
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10:26 < Gerk> uggg nevermind, found my answer
10:26 < Gerk> "Analog often crashes under Mac OS X if you specify DNS LOOKUP or DNS WRITE. The bug seems to be in the OS X internal libraries, not in analog, and so the only way to avoid it is not to do DNS lookups."
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11:28 < akh> OMG:  XCode Tools 2.1.dmg contains an application?  The horror, the horror!
11:28 < akh> </sarcasm>
11:31 < akh> *sigh*  Now the X11 SDK seems to be turned on by default and I had to remember to shut it off (even though I don't have a receipt for a prior version.  
11:31 < akh> I think I liked the old behavior better.
11:33 < cirdan> eh
11:33 < akh> (not installing it unless a custom install was selected)
11:34 < akh> I should prefer not to have to reinstall xorg.
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12:35 < akh> yay--no Xcode 2.1 related build problems yet here.
12:37 < akh> (thought I'm only on the second one of my batch of five or so)
12:46 < cirdan> glib is a pain
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13:33 < RangerRick> whoo!  got kaddressbook to not crash  :)
13:33 < RangerRick> yay static linking  :P
13:33 < RangerRick> gpgme11 doesn't like to be dynamically loaded apparently
13:39 < akh> RangerRick: nice
13:40 < RangerRick> which should fix the kmail crashes too
13:40 < akh> Also nice.  
13:41 < akh> Nothing to do with kspread, of course...
13:45 < RangerRick> yeah, that's next
13:46 < akh> Sure--you've been having people complain about kmail for several versions now.  ;-)
13:51 < RangerRick> hehe
13:51 < RangerRick> still have to test-build on 10.3, and then I'll commit it
13:51 < akh> Maybe they'll go back to complaining about the lack of GNOME 2.10
13:52 < RangerRick> yay!
13:52 < RangerRick> dmacks is working his way through it, it seems  :)
13:52 < akh> heh
13:53 < akh> (but he won't admit it)
14:06 < RangerRick> hehe
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14:31 < akh> wtf:  "your home directory is full"
14:31 < akh> !lart Mail.app
14:31  * Melian gives Mail.app a "free" copy of Windows and then charges double for "Upgrades"
14:39  * akh wonders what Mail.app would do with Windows...
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15:30  * akh wonders if the C++ ABI stuff for 10.3 -> 10.4 will be resolved by the time 10.5 comes out.  :-P 
15:31 < RangerRick> nah
15:32 < RangerRick> why bother?  it'll just change again  :)
15:33 < akh> Good point.  We can have a 10.5-double-transitional tree.
15:35 < akh> "Apple has always been allied with Intel.  Apple has always been at war with IBM..."
15:35 < cirdan> heh
15:36 < newmanbe> Hmm, "2005: The Novel".
15:36 < newmanbe> ;-)
15:36 < akh> "Open source is closed.  Closed source is open"
15:37 < cirdan> Open sores
15:37 < cirdan> :-)
15:37 < newmanbe> Kernel Panic: Paradox detected
15:37 < akh> cirdan: heh
15:37 < newmanbe> Quantum is 10000 us
15:37 < newmanbe> [...]
15:37 < newmanbe> (time splicing)
15:38 < cirdan> heh
15:38 < newmanbe> Welcome to newmanbe!
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15:38 < akh> Cool, you've got your own kernel.  ;-)
15:38 < cirdan> heh
15:39 < newmanbe> Heh, reading Wikipedia using Tor and I have a new message.
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15:41 < akh> mmmm...spotlight
15:42 < dmacks> Cops after you again, akh?
15:43 < akh> not this time.
15:43 < newmanbe> Haha, /me was thinking about something like that.
15:43 < dmacks> :)
15:43 < dmacks> !seen theid
15:43 < Melian> theid <~theid@12-218-61-181.client.mchsi.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #fink, 14h 12m 14s ago, saying: 'the only thing I haven't gotten to is the libhowl problem'.
15:50 < akh> Anybody working on a Dashboard widget for the Fink RSS stuff?
15:50 < cirdan> eh, just use the screensaver :-)
15:50 < dmacks> !dmacks
15:50 < Melian> extra, extra, read all about it, dmacks is happy to listen to all of your complaints and then tell you to go solve your own damn problems.
15:50 < cirdan> !give dmacks beer
15:50 < akh> heh
15:50 < newmanbe> Desk accessories!
15:51 < dmacks> Actually, I didn't intend that for Melian...I just meant to write "!dmacks":)
15:51  * dmacks fires up Font/DA Mover
15:51 < cirdan> dmacks++
15:51 < cirdan> dmacks: hehe was just thinking that
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15:55 < akh> Wonder if it's safe to tell people to install XCode 2.1...
15:56 < akh> (i.e. fixes > problems)
15:56 < newmanbe> How could it magically fix itself?
15:57 < dmacks> Yeah, self-modifying code is hella-easy to debug:)
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15:58 < dmacks> akh: I'm tempted to say "wait", since fixes !>> problems yet.
15:58 < akh> Fair enough.
15:59 < dmacks> IF you're lookin' for something to do, work on getting stuff clean for gcc4. I think there are some -submissions that are just "here's the patch msachs said to use".
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16:02 < miga> Hi everybody.
16:02 < dmacks> hi miga
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16:04 < miga> dmacks: the observation I've made about unused variable and empty file maybe just apply to C++ library. I've read something about that somewhere in the new porting guide from Apple, but don't remember exactly the precise link.
16:05 < miga> It was stated that all unused variable are stripped from library, and as the idea of unused variable may not be the good one, it can be that a variable is stripped when it should not. Again it could be only for C++ libraries.
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16:12 < akh> dmacks_away: I am by no means "looking for stuff to do"  ;-)  I'm just here to incite discord.  
16:13 < miga> A question for g++ guru. I have a package with is written mainly in C, but it builds a private library in C++ and links to it. In the Makefile of the library it sets CC=g++. In the main Makefile it links against it with foo-links g++ etc. The problem is the first g++ is transformed in g++-3.3; but not the second one. So, this behaviour worked well as long as the gcc and g++ are the same (i.e. 3.3 for example), which is not the case in 
16:13 < miga> 10.4-transitional. So the question is what and how should I change, so that it'd the same in 10.3; 10.4-transitional and upcoming 10.4?
16:17 < cirdan> miga: patch the CC= lines to something so either CC can be overridden, or patch it to CC=@FINKGCC@ and use sed on the patchfile to change it to the right gcc
16:19 < akh> eww
16:19 < miga> cirdan: the CC line is good, it is changed by fink to g++3.3, that's the links line which is not overwritten and here I don't know what to put?
16:19 < cirdan> right, the 1st way is better, but i think it's configure that sets the CC there
16:19 < cirdan> CC should be gcc, CXX should be g++, no
16:19 < cirdan> ?
16:21 < miga> No, here CC should be g++, it is in the Makefile of the C++ library, in the main Makefile gcc is used, just not at final stage when linking to the C++ library where it is g++, it should be g++-3.3
16:24 < miga> Would you mean that no matter the code is C or C++, the code is always compiled with gcc?
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16:31 < miga> Oh, I'll give up, I did not put those GCC fields in my packages, and now that they are needed, I'm asked to remove them, that has really no sense.
16:31  * miga ranting very loud.
16:31  * newmanbe rants louder.
16:31  * cirdan threatens to silence all
16:31  * miga doubt it very strongly.
16:33 < newmanbe> cirdan: How b'out giving me an unbreakable-@ this time. :-p
16:33 < cirdan> haha
16:33 < cirdan> i'm not the channel owner, i can't do that :-)
16:34 < newmanbe> Contact: Fingolfin, last seen: 7 weeks 1 day (8h 11m 37s) ago
16:38 < newmanbe> Sigh, can't silence miga then...
16:38 < cirdan> /mode +q newmanbe 
16:38 < cirdan> :-p
16:39 < newmanbe>  /nick not-newmanbe
16:40 < cirdan> /mode +q *@*.tor
16:41  * newmanbe connects through a Jabber transport and reports you to the ##tor police.
16:41  * cirdan warns ##tor first and they pre-empt +q newmanbe 
16:41 < cirdan> :-)
16:42 < newmanbe> The management there doesn't do much managment.
16:43  * miga leaving, not in the mood of being laughed at, after three days of trying to find a solution to this g++ stuff. Wonder what it is stated to ask for help on the chanel if you cannot get it.
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16:44  * newmanbe keeps on reading miga's last sentence.
16:45  * newmanbe gives up.
16:46 < cirdan> heh
17:11  * dmacks_away thought people kept telling miga "nobody here really knows, ask on -devel" before wandering off into random chatter.
17:12 < RangerRick> miga needs to learn that silence on irc is equivalent to "I don't know, might want to ask elsewhere"
17:12 < cirdan> :-)
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17:23 < dmacks_away> And when was the last time we *didn't* laugh at someone?
17:25 < htodd> I can see why miga's confused about the SetGCC since mine get changed back and forth, too.
17:25 < htodd> 'course, miga has harder packages
17:26 < htodd> I just have dia and all the kvetching involved there
17:26 < RangerRick> I agree it's confusing, but I wouldn't assume no answer is "you suck!"
17:26 < htodd> er, any answer I assume is "you suck!"
17:26 < htodd> :)
17:26 < htodd> this is IRC, after all
17:27 < dmacks_away> Right, but sometimes "you suck" is preceded or followed by a less-obvious and more specific-to-the-situation answer as well.
17:28 < htodd> yes. usually, "you suck! btw, remember to set the Don'tBreakFink: field to yes"
17:29  * newmanbe makes autopackages out of Fink packages.
17:29 < dmacks_away> htodd: hehe:)
17:30 < dmacks_away> Sorry..."That was funny, htodd. BTW, you suck"
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17:34 < htodd> heh
17:36  * dmacks_away wonders if it Freenode could ge t1/4 of the amount people donated to tsunami relief, instead of vice versa.
17:36 < dmacks_away> BTW: all y'all that didn't donate suck, obviously.
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21:22 < dmacks_away> pogma: Thanks...that makes sense.
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21:24 < dmacks> Everyone, please note that some GNOME core servers will be down for a few days...tell users to use mirrors.
21:24 < newmanbe> Or KDE.
21:24 < newmanbe> A few days?
21:24 < newmanbe> That doesn't sound like it was planed very well,.
21:26 < dmacks> Okay, *you* figure out how to physically move gnome.org machines without having to rent a whole 'nother set of machines:)
21:26 < newmanbe> Just teleport them to their new locataion.
21:27 < newmanbe> Or have them use their desktop machines.
21:27  * dmacks contemplates a rolling roadblock, machines in one truck, generator on next, sucking up unsecured WiFi spots along the way.
21:28 < newmanbe> When it moves to a new network, the previous connections would be lost.
21:28 < newmanbe> Or you could have people set them to be the same network.
21:29 < dmacks> Okay, first we send a bunch of people to pull over at strategic points along the highway, set up repeaters so can stay in same access point the whole way.
21:29 < newmanbe> That's what I said.
21:30  * dmacks was proposing using the same actual WiFi spot the whole way.
21:31 < newmanbe> Or just not use gnome.org
21:32 < dmacks> Maybe we could just feed all of *.gnome.org through some guy's cellphone.
21:32 < dmacks> "Can you download me now?"
21:32 < newmanbe> Or a bunch of cellphones, somewhat like ISDN.
21:32 < dmacks> ya
21:33 < dmacks> Leave a 386 box at the old site collecting page requests, burn a CD, helicopter it to the truck, burn a CD of pages, fly back and transmit them.
21:34 < newmanbe> Or just use KDE.
21:34 < dmacks> (still be faster and more reliable than SF though)
21:34 < dmacks> Yeah, I guess KDE is an option too:)
21:34 < newmanbe> Yep. :-)
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22:09 < lstryder> im waiting for Gnumeric to start for the first time on my 1.5GHz powerbook. does Gnumerica normally take a long time to start?
22:12 < newmanbe> I think there has been some discussion of this on the fink-beginners mailing list.
22:12  * newmanbe checks.
22:12 < newmanbe> !lists
22:12 < newmanbe> !mailinglists
22:13 < Melian> somebody said mailinglists was http://www.finkproject.org/lists/
22:13  * newmanbe can't find it.
22:14  * lstryder is looking through the fink-beginners archive
22:15 < newmanbe> Melian: Forget mailinglists
22:15 < Melian> newmanbe: i forgot mailinglists
22:15 < newmanbe> Melian: mailinglists is <REPLY>You can subscribe to, read the archives for, and find the NNTP version of the mailing lists at http://www.finkproject.org/lists/ .
22:15 < Melian> okay, newmanbe
22:16 < dmacks> lists?
22:16 < dmacks> !lists
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22:20 < dmacks> newmanbe: "lists" is a Blootbot reserved word.
22:21  * newmanbe modifies bloobots code it make it not reserved.
22:21 < dmacks> While you're at it, teach cirdan to enable searching:)
22:21  * newmanbe has no idea why he didn't enable that.
22:22 < dmacks> He said he tried and it didn't work or he didn't know how or some excuse like that:)
22:25 < newmanbe> Sure.
22:27 < lstryder> can I just check that I'm launching gnumeric correctly? I using the command 'source /sw/bin/init.sh ; gnumeric' from xterm.
22:27 < lstryder> is that right?
22:27  * newmanbe has never seen source used with /sw/bin/init.sh.
22:27 < lstryder> what is your method, newmanbe?
22:28  * newmanbe has . /sw/bin/init.sh in his .xinitrc file.
22:28 < newmanbe> !xinitrc
22:28 < Melian> xinitrc is probably http://www.finkproject.org/doc/x11/run-xfree86.php#xinitrc
22:28 < lstryder> thank you :)
22:46 < dmacks> theid: Not sure what package I was thinking of last night...never finished updating gnome-vfs2 because I got caught up in the half-dis-implemented cdrom detection code.
22:46 < theid> well you can still check out mine
22:46 < theid> it's basically the same as the darwinports version
22:46 < dmacks> Where'zit?
22:47 < theid> http://www.amesmug.org/~theid/fink/gnome-etc/
22:47 < theid> 4 files
22:48 < theid> most of the rest of the files in there are incorrect or nonfunctional
22:50 < dmacks> Should we be disabling the CDROM mess? The existing pkg removes it handler but leaves several of its triggers (that should *not* be flagged for special treatment)
22:51 < RangerRick> it needs to be either disabled or fixed
22:51 < dmacks> Or is there finally code that determines platform specifics and handles it "correctly"?
22:51 < RangerRick> I added some disabling myself when having cdparanoia installed caused it to not build
22:51 < RangerRick> but I don't know that I did it right, just enough to make it build  :)
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22:52 < dmacks> RangerRick: Yeah. There's lots of special handling for files matching ^/vol (and do we really want floppy handlers?)
22:53 < dmacks> Well, whichever Ranger* wants to read that:)
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23:02 < dmacks> !seen vasi
23:02 < Melian> vasi <~vasi@modemcable214.145-70-69.mc.videotron.ca> was last seen on IRC in channel #fink, 2d 15h 53s ago, saying: 'good luck....hope you can figure thigns out'.
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