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00:20 < vasi> woohoo, always nice when things work
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01:33 < dmacks> Anyone have a firefox.deb handy?
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01:59 < vasi> sorry dmacks
02:00 < vasi> btw, you bumped the revision on my findutils pkg a couple days ago to keep 10.3/10.4 in sync...could you not do that?
02:00 < vasi> (or if you do, at least bump by more than one :-)
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02:09 < dmacks> IIRC, I backported something from 10.4->10.3, so I rev-up 10.3. But 10.3 and 10.4 had had same-rev (for different pkgs?), so I bumped 10.4 so it wouldn't be lower than 10.3, and it was same pkg as 10.3 so I made it same rev as 10.3
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05:04 < vasi> anybody know just how switchable Apple X11 and Xorg are?
05:11 < baba> huh?
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05:30 < ringerc> vasi: Xdarwin has a lot of patches for things like rootless. I don't know how many have been merged into Xorg.
05:42 < vasi> er...i mean, how many compatibility versions are different and such?
05:42 < vasi> ie: if i switch back to Apple's X11, and libs have earlier compat versions, programs linking to the libs shall break
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07:34 < bhb> Hi, any '--build-as-nobody' experts out there?
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09:37 < pogma> http://pogma.com/misc/basefiles.diff okay? RangerRick?
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09:37 < cirdan> anyone knoe where i can get last weeks weather reports?
09:38 < pogma> last weeks forecasts or actual weather?
09:38 < akh> Old newspapers?
09:39 < akh> (e.g. the online versions)
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09:40 < akh> Doing some time travel?
09:45 < cirdan> yup
09:45 < newmanbe> Can I come? Can I come? Can I come?
09:46 < newmanbe> Can I? Can I? Huh, huh, huh?
09:53 < cirdan> heh
09:54 < cirdan> sure, but u gotta hurry
09:54 < cirdan> meet me across the known universe
09:54 < newmanbe> Okay.
09:54 < cirdan> the wormhole takes exact change
09:55 < newmanbe> Oh, I have the easy-pass thing.
09:55 < cirdan> ah, good
09:57 < cirdan> ok, wunderground.org is cool
10:08 < RangerRick> yeah
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10:21 < pogma> http://pogma.com/misc/basefiles.diff okay? RangerRick? dmacks?
10:21  * akh makes sure it's 10:30 AM rather than PM
10:21 < newmanbe> Bah, you and your stupid twelve hour clock.
10:21  * dmacks needs to be on localtime this weekend.
10:22 < akh> Sure.
10:22 < dmacks> pogma: makes sense to me. Wish it didn't take two processes:(
10:23 < pogma> I know nothing about csh scripting, but I ca
10:24 < pogma> n make the sh one faster, actually
10:24 < dmacks> Could we just have separate %r for each dist, and scrap the conditional altogether?
10:24 < RangerRick> pogma: shouldn't you check if it's already defined to something?
10:24 < pogma> RangerRick: troublingly, no
10:25 < RangerRick> scary
10:25 < pogma> RangerRick: the idea is to set it to nothing
10:25 < pogma> or :, whihc is the same thing
10:27 < dmacks> Can't you distinguish between "set to nothing" and "not set", and only set it in the latter case?
10:29 < pogma> dmacks: Huh? unset meants it defaults to /usr/lib/:/usr/local/lib:/lib and breaks out  -ssl packages, set to the empty string is probably fine, but I've not tried it, set to ":" allows our -ssl packages to work
10:30  * dmacks doesn't understand why RangerRick's idea won't work then. If it's set, then either we set it or the user set it (and is free to screw himself). If it's not set, then set it.
10:30 < pogma> okay, so don't everride the user
10:30 < RangerRick> pogma: I mean, make sure a user hasn't already set it, 'cause if they have, it's probably OK, isn't it?
10:31 < pogma> okay, I said :)
10:31 < RangerRick> I'm not paying much attention to the channel, just glanced and saw your huh
10:31 < RangerRick> before I read dmacks' response  :)
10:32 < dmacks> Let me ask again about just having dist-specific files instead of continually comparing `uname`
10:34 < pogma> different cvs branches for each dist?
10:34 < RangerRick> what good would it do?  it would have to be sufficiently dynamic to cope with upgrades
10:34 < RangerRick> at which point you might as well call uname anyways
10:34 < RangerRick> or parse sw_vers
10:34 < RangerRick> or have a very slow perl script that uses the fink apis
10:35 < RangerRick> init.sh takes long enough already  :)
10:35 < pogma> let me go read a csh scripting page
10:36 < RangerRick> in bash you'll just do:  if [ -z "$DYLD_FALLBACK_LIBRARY_PATH" ]; then <do stuff>; fi
10:36 < dmacks> The base-files.info is constructed on-the-fly, no need for branching in CVS.
10:36 < pogma> there is already a uname in init.{c,}sh
10:36 < pogma> for setting manpath, I just copied it
10:36 < pogma> but if you look, the manpath thing seems wrong
10:36 < RangerRick> dmacks: but if you upgrade from 10.3 to 10.4, base-files won't necessarily be a higher version
10:37 < pogma> it should be > 6
10:37 < RangerRick> so it will still be stuck if you generate the os version at info file time
10:38 < RangerRick> pogma: then you could use the preexisting one
10:38 < pogma> it is inside a -z $MANPATH
10:38 < RangerRick> right, but move it outside and assign it to a variable
10:38 < dmacks> RangerRick: No, the .info is static within a dist; /me meant the base-files.info available from selfupdate are dynamically generated by us. That means a single CVS/base-files can lead to a whole set of different pkgs.
10:38 < pogma> did in sh
10:38 < pogma> just figured out how to do that in csh
10:39 < RangerRick> dmacks: I still don't see how that gets around an upgrade race condition, it will be wrong until base-files gets updated post-upgrade
10:39 < RangerRick> and base-files changes rarely
10:39 < RangerRick> what's the problem with doing it in the script?  :)
10:40  * dmacks hates process bloat in a script that runs so many times.
10:40 < RangerRick> it's already running perl -e junk, uname is really no big deal
10:40 < RangerRick> premature optimization and all that
10:40 < dmacks> True.
10:41 < pogma> however, could cache the junk in /tmp/someplace
10:41 < RangerRick> in the grand scheme of init.sh, the slow part is profile.d
10:41 < RangerRick> that's a drop in the bucket
10:41 < dmacks> (/me hates that perl -e, but doesn't have a better plan, and has never profiled this thing)
10:41 < pogma> probably true
10:41 < RangerRick> init.sh is nearly instant on a fresh system
10:43 < dmacks> When I started caching the ENV instead of running init.sh several times, it saved actual clock-time during package compiling.
10:43 < dmacks> (...is my frame of reference)
10:44 < RangerRick> I'm betting it's other things that need to be cached more than the main body of init.sh
10:44 < dmacks> hrm, /me probably doesn't care as much as y'all would think by reading what I've said here.
10:44 < RangerRick> check profile.d, java stuff will probably slow you down immensely, because of the jar-path generation
10:44 < dmacks> Yeah, I've never profiled it.
10:45 < dmacks> (why do we regenerate perlversion every time?)
10:45 < RangerRick> yeah, that could be cached in /tmp
10:46 < dmacks> It's stashed in the env already.
10:46 < RangerRick> as what?
10:47 < pogma> dmacks: depends
10:47 < pogma> dmacks: it is only cached if you export it
10:48 < pogma> we really ought to export a FINK_INITED_ALREADY var
10:49 < RangerRick> that could cause problems if something new gets installed that does a profile.d file
10:53 < pogma> set PROXYFTP=`grep ProxyFTP /sw/etc/fink.conf | grep -v "#" | cut -d " " -f2`
10:53 < pogma> why two greps? can't we just match ^ProxyFTP ?
10:54 < RangerRick> dunno
10:54 < RangerRick> be more forgiving about space?
10:55 < pogma> anyway, new diff
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10:55 < pogma> http://pogma.com/misc/basefiles.diff okay? 
10:56 < pogma> dmacks disappeared!
10:56 < pogma> oops
10:56 < pogma> nm
10:56 < RangerRick> pogma: gotta do the -z $DYLD_FALLBACK_LIBRARY_PATH still for the sh version
10:57 < pogma> yeah, thus the nm
10:57 < pogma> one sec :)
11:01 < pogma> now okay?
11:03 < RangerRick> looks good to me
11:13 < cirdan> morning all
11:14 < akh> (for 37 minutes more, local time, of course)
11:15 < cirdan> :-p
11:15 < akh> Just being pedantic.
11:15 < akh> I'll stop.  ;-)
11:16 < akh> grr...every time I try to build Unison myself I get a couple of undefined symbols.
11:16 < akh> Only one of which is in google other than on my posts on -users mentioning this.
11:17 < akh> And I've even tried their mailing list--no joy.
11:17 < akh> Sometimes opensource == frustrating.
11:17 < cirdan> heh
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11:18 < akh> But most of my Fink stuff works just fine.
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11:42 < Snaggle> Is everything in 10.4-trans built using gcc-3.3 (and not 4.0)?  If not, is there a way to tell what version something was built with?
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11:46 < cirdan> Snaggle: all c++ code is, almost all c code is built with 4
11:46 < cirdan> c++ == gcc3.3
11:47 < Snaggle> so if I were to build something outside of Fink that has c++ and c code (trunk firefox), I should set gcc_select to 3.3 to avoid conflicting with Fink c++ libs, right?
11:49 < cirdan> right
11:49 < cirdan> cause hte c++ abi changed
11:51 < pogma> the 10.4 tree, when we have it will use g++-4.0 for all c++ stuff
11:51 < Snaggle> Thanks.  I'm having build issues, and I hope it's only 3.3 vs 4.0 problems
11:52 < pogma> does it involve missing c++ typeinfo symbols?
11:53 < Snaggle> stuff like "ld: undefined symbols: _sprintf$LDBLStub" and "ld: Undefined symbols: _FC_GetFunctionList referenced from libnss3 expected to be defined in /Users/nieder/libsoftokn3.dylib"
11:58 < neo> sounds like a perl library is missing
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12:28 < akh> heh--found another website that doesn't do leading zeroes.
12:29 < akh> (for zipcodes)
12:29 < akh> And the company is headquartered in a state with a leading 0
12:30 < akh> pinheads...
12:33 < cirdan> wtf? gcc ${wl}-undefined ${wl}dynamic_lookup -o .libs/im-inuktitut
12:33 < cirdan> pogma?
12:35 < akh> Ooops--the zipcode thing was my browser, not the website.
12:35 < akh> !lart Safari
12:35  * Melian beats the living hamstercrap out of Safari
12:37 < zizban> heh
12:39 < zizban> a place up here needs an Irish Step Dance teacher--anyone up for a career change?
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12:42 < dmacks> pogma: Nice init patch!
12:42 < akh> zizban: Sure!  
12:43 < zizban> I knew you would akh :)
12:43 < akh> If only I could Irish step dance.
12:44 < zizban> heh
12:49 < akh> Nor can my wife.
12:51 < zizban> bbl
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12:56 < dmacks> akh: I can drink whiskey and stumble around. Is that close enough?
12:56 < akh> Works for me.  ;-)
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13:13 < akh> My update-all is proceeding nicely--lets see if firefox goes insane again...
13:14 < dmacks> You're building Da Fox at the moment?
13:15 < dmacks> (okay, lota-moments?) Could you eyeball to see if it's using C++?
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13:26 < akh> g++-3.3 ....
13:27 < akh> (i.e. that's the explicit compiler invocation)
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13:50 < dmacks> akh: thx. The submission mentioned GCC no longer needed, /me wasn't sure.
13:50 < akh> ah
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13:52 < akh> grr...when I quit KDE xorg restarts it...
13:59 < RangerRick> er?
14:02 < akh> Yup.  I use KDE's logout, it quits, but then restarts.
14:02 < akh> Actually it's not technically related to xorg per se--this doesn't happen if I'm using X11.app instead of XDarwin.app
14:04 < akh> nm--it does restart with X11.app.
14:06 < akh> and my .xinitrc isn't all that wierd.
14:06 < akh> si
14:06 < akh> sic
14:08 < dmacks> wacky
14:10 < akh> And it's intermittent.
14:10 < akh> I'll tag this as a Heisenbug.
14:11 < dmacks> Does it track with changes to network connectivity? x11 sometimes gets funky when one's network address changes.
14:11  * dmacks doesn't use KDE though, so can't test, don't plan on caring anytime soon:)
14:14 < akh> Nope--I'm on the same address the whole time.
14:14 < cirdan> dmacks: u ever see this?
14:14 < cirdan> gcc ${wl}-undefined ${wl}dynamic_lookup -o .libs/im-inuktitut.so -bundle  .libs/iminuktitut.o  -L/usr/X11R6/lib -L/sw/lib ../../gdk-pixbuf/.libs/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.dylib /sw/lib//libintl.dylib ../../gdk/.libs/libgdk-x11-2.0.dylib /private/tmp/fink.build/gtk+2-2.6.7-3/gtk+-2.6.7/gdk-pixbuf/.libs/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.dylib ../../gtk/.libs/libgtk-x11-2.0.dylib /private/tmp/fink.build/gtk+2-2.6.7-3/gtk+-2.6.7/gdk/.libs/libgdk-x11-2.0.dylib -lXin
14:14 < cirdan> hmm, long line...
14:15 < cirdan> the beginning part is what's weird
14:19 < RangerRick> cirdan: I've seen that, I think it gets replaced before it's actually called, but I'm not sure
14:22 < cirdan> that is the call line i though
14:22 < cirdan> thought
14:22 < cirdan> also libtool: link: warning: `/sw/lib//libintl.la' seems to be moved
14:22 < cirdan> crazy stuff
14:22 < RangerRick> maybe it works because it ends up being empty
14:22 < RangerRick> and apples' gcc accepts them without -Wl,
14:22 < akh> I saw that warning, too.
14:23 < cirdan> brb
14:23 < akh> I think the package built (unless it was firefox, which is still working)
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14:29 < dmacks> cirdan: We (pogma and I) pondered the /sw/lib//libintl.la a few months ago, best we could determine it's 1) weird 2) unknown cause 3) harmless.
14:31 < dmacks> "${wl}" should become "-Wl,", but it often doesn't matter if ${wl} is undefined. Only matters if the flag that follows it _must_not_ get passed to cpp and other non-linker actions.
14:34 < dmacks> (OTOH, it could be a symptom of some more general bug in the ./configure that *does* cause some other misbehavior also)
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16:04 < dmacks_away> Somebody wanna package misfitmodel3d@sf for us?
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16:05 < newmanbe> Hmm, it has SF in its name.
16:05 < newmanbe> I don't know if I should touch it.
16:05 < dmacks_away> Yeah, but once it's downloaded it should be okay:)
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16:08 < newmanbe> On their sf.net webpage: "This is the not the page you are looking for!"
16:09 < dmacks> You can go about your business then:)
16:09 < newmanbe> Hmm, anything OpenGL sounds difficult to package.
16:12 < akh> move along
16:13 < dmacks> The path to the dark side freetype is, mm?
16:14 < akh> Yup:  freetype -> phear -> anger -> dark side
16:14 < The_Tick> c++ leads to java
16:14 < The_Tick> java leads to freetype
16:14 < The_Tick> you will see
16:14 < The_Tick> you will see
16:14 < dmacks> Indeed akh...those first two arrows are quite correct.
16:15 < The_Tick> god we all need out
16:15 < akh> heh
16:15 < The_Tick> if they made a yoda movie i'd be all over it
16:15 < The_Tick> forget the skywalkers
16:15 < The_Tick> yoda pwns
16:15 < The_Tick> i bought the 2nd one just for yoda fighting action
16:16 < akh> Yup.  That was the best part of the last movie--too bad he lost.
16:16 < akh> (Though you knew it was coming)
16:16 < dmacks> If grover and yoda met, would the universe end?
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16:17 < akh> Could be.
16:17  * akh may do that experiment if my funding gets cut and I'm out of a job.
16:17 < The_Tick> would be cooler if the dark lord let himself be captured
16:17 < The_Tick> just to asplode the jedi academy
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16:18 < The_Tick> that'd been better than vader killing childings
16:18 < akh> Hmm...yeah.  His conversion should have been slower.
16:19 < dmacks> Yeah, coulda started in back in epII, pushed some epII back to epI, and scrap everything involving JarJar
16:19 < The_Tick> maddox nailed most of the problems with the movie
16:19 < The_Tick> dmacks: i like that jar jar is the one who gave him power
16:19 < dmacks> Now *there's* a character I'd pay to see get light-sabered in half.
16:19 < The_Tick> it's ironic
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16:22 < dmacks> "'D' and 'V' the letters for today are.", and reduces Elmo to a pile of smoldering fur.
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16:22 < akh> hehe
16:22 < dmacks> (speaking of characters that need to be killed)
16:28 < Bart_> hmm i have probs. with update-all
16:29 < akh> what's failing?
16:30 < Bart_> with the fink-buildlock-glib2-2.6.5-101
16:30 < Bart_> hmm i search the url from paste bot
16:30 < Bart_> anybody has it?
16:30 < Bart_> then i paste my error
16:30 < akh> it left
16:30 < Bart_> hmm
16:31 < Bart_> then i paste here ;)
16:31 < akh> There may be other sites.
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16:31 < dmalloc> ooh if it ain't Doctor Macks
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16:31 < akh> lisppaste: URL?
16:32 < akh> lisppaste: URL
16:32 < akh> it's not quite back, I guess.
16:32 < Bart_> :(
16:32 < dmacks> servus dmalloc. Long time no #fink, eh?
16:33 < lisppaste> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink and enter your paste.
16:33 < lisppaste> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink and enter your paste.
16:33 < dmalloc> Work, work,. work :) "has his own comapny now" so even more work for me :)
16:33 < dmacks> Ahhh.
16:33 < akh> it's back
16:33 < akh> dmalloc: sounds good
16:33 < dmalloc> we'll see in a year :)
16:34 < dmalloc> *is begging for venture capital now*
16:34 < dmacks> I backported the sudo security-update to 10.3. Looks okay there.
16:34 < dmalloc> ah yes, I have to mention somewhere that is orphan my 10.3 packages
16:34 < dmalloc> that I
16:35 < dmacks> I'm periodically running a diff across the dists. I have a feeling 10.3 will be with us and widely used for a long time.
16:35 < dmalloc> yepp
16:36 < newmanbe> Ya! Multi-button mouse is back!
16:37 < newmanbe> Melain: party is <REPLY>I love parties! I'll invite everyone I know!
16:37 < newmanbe> Melian: party is <REPLY>I love parties! I'll invite everyone I know!
16:37 < Melian> okay, newmanbe
16:37 < The_Tick> dmacks: ya, less of a reason to upgrade
16:37 < newmanbe> !party
16:37 < Melian> I love parties! I'll invite everyone I know!
16:37 < The_Tick> 10.4 really sucks featurewise
16:37 < newmanbe> !botsnack
16:37 < Melian> thanks, newmanbe
16:37 < newmanbe> Tor hater boy.
16:37 < The_Tick> it'll just be devs dropping 10.3 support that sells it
16:38 < The_Tick> and intel
16:38 < The_Tick> *shrug*
16:38 < dmacks> $JOB isn't planning on upgrading for a while. If we're any sort of tend-setting or -follower, that kind of thing makes or breaks new-version-adoption.
16:39 < dmacks> *trend
16:39  * akh has a 10.3 removable so that I can keep up my packages there.
16:40 < akh> removable -> external
16:41 < dmacks> I'll probably phyiscally swap (large)exteral<->(small)internal HD, then go to Tiger as primary soon.
16:44 < newmanbe> !lart BestBuy online for not having the price listed when you search
16:44  * Melian installs PocketPC on BestBuy online's PDA for not having the price listed when you search
16:44 < dmacks> http://www.creators.com/0626/LK/LK0630g.gif
16:44 < newmanbe> Melian: No need, they probably have PDAs of all sorts.
16:44 < Melian> newmanbe: I don't know, could you explain it?
16:47 < akh> dmacks: I'll forward that one to my wife. 
16:50 < Bart_> it seems to work now
16:54 < akh> good
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17:01 < cirdan> hrr
17:01 < cirdan> grr
17:01 < cirdan> /usr/bin/libtool: internal link edit command failed
17:01 < cirdan> !lart libtool
17:01  * Melian whacks libtool with a giant beaver's tail
17:01 < akh> !libtool
17:01 < Melian> It's all pogma's fault!
17:02  * cirdan awaits his email
17:02 < cirdan> emailed myself some goodies from the apple store :-p
17:03 < newmanbe> The Apple Store cannot have goodies.
17:03 < cirdan> hehehe
17:03 < newmanbe> !lart cirdan for lying
17:03  * Melian breaks out the Hoover and sucks up cirdan for lying
17:03 < cirdan> u just need to know where to look
17:03 < newmanbe> No, it is an impossibility.
17:03 < akh> That's a bad image, Melian.
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17:06 < newmanbe> !lart people who release drivers for out-dated versions of Linux
17:06  * Melian blames people who release drivers for all the evil in the world for out-dated versions of Linux
17:07 < akh> What version?
17:07 < akh> 1.4?
17:07 < newmanbe> 2.4
17:07 < newmanbe> No, not that out-of-date.
17:07 < akh> Ah
17:08 < newmanbe> I suppose it's not really out-of-date. A lot of people still us it.
17:08 < newmanbe> use
17:08 < akh> Just like Panther.  ;-)
17:08 < akh> And that's a whole major version number lower.
17:08 < newmanbe> It is up-to-date as it's gonn'a get for awhile.
17:08 < newmanbe> !lart Apple
17:08  * Melian duct-tapes Apple to the floor and drools on him
17:09 < newmanbe> Hmm, the juries back; Apple is a he.
17:11 < newmanbe> They have an odd mixture of 2.2 and 2.4 versions.
17:13  * dmalloc should podcast the #fink logs
17:13 < dmalloc> BUAHAHAHAHAHAHA
17:14 < RangerRick> dmalloc: I've got a gpgme11 update that puts it up to 1.0.3 (or whatever the next version is) and adds a static lib, ok if I release?
17:14 < dmalloc> just out of curiosity, what is the static one for?
17:18 < RangerRick> work around a kaddressbook issue
17:18 < RangerRick> apparently gpgme11 doesn't deal well with kde's dynamic loading
17:18 < RangerRick> statically linking it fixes kmail/etc. crashes
17:18 < dmalloc> how cute
17:18 < RangerRick> yeah
17:19 < dmalloc> be my guest have fun releasing :)
17:19 < RangerRick> hehe
17:19 < RangerRick> still gotta test-build it on 10.3 and I will
17:19 < RangerRick> I take that back, looks like it built  =D
17:20 < akh> crud--network went down while I was remotely building firefox.
17:20 < akh> !lart me for not using screen.
17:20  * Melian hooks into a hydrant and hoses akh down for not using screen.
17:20 < dmalloc> screen has such stupid key combos by default
17:20 < akh> yeah, but it works.
17:20 < dmalloc> say can you order a Mac with a european keyboard at a US apple store ?
17:20 < lisppaste> Bart_ pasted "Problem with fink update-all" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9565
17:21 < Bart_> perhaps anybody can look on it ;)
17:21 < Bart_> thanks
17:22 < akh> nothing I've ever seen before.
17:22 < Bart_> hihi
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17:26 < dmacks> Bart_: That's because you're german.
17:27 < cirdan> heh
17:27 < dmalloc> yeah, germans such :) (j/k)
17:27 < dmacks> cirdan: Actually, I'm not kidding. There's a bug in libiconv that's triggered by that test when one's lang is .de
17:27 < cirdan> dmalloc: very much doubt it
17:27 < cirdan> dmacks: yeah, i saw the thread
17:27 < cirdan> so, you traced it to libiconv?
17:28 < cirdan> is that my package?
17:28 < cirdan> :-)
17:28 < dmalloc> actually it is only triggered for de_DE
17:28 < dmacks> Someone (miga maybe) posted a bugzilla about it.
17:28 < cirdan> i can't remember..
17:28 < cirdan> i know gettext is :-)
17:28 < dmalloc> because my de_AT works :)
17:29 < cirdan> !lart win2k install for not groking lilo mbr
17:29  * Melian beats the living hamstercrap out of win2k install for not groking lilo mbr
17:29 < cirdan> !bot snack
17:29 < Melian> cirdan: :)
17:29 < dmacks> dmalloc: Interesting! Because glib2 doesn't install a de_DE .mo file.
17:30 < dmacks> Looks like they patched it several releases ago, then it got unpatched again.
17:30 < dmacks> Bart_: So the answer is: we're working on it.
17:32 < newmanbe> !lart Win2K for making the world even darker
17:32  * Melian eats Win2K's liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti for making the world even darker
17:32 < Bart_> dmacks thanks
17:32 < Bart_> is there a way to switch to english?
17:32 < newmanbe> ¡No!
17:32 < Bart_> k
17:32 < dmacks> Bart_: You're welcome. Visit the thread on the -users mailing list.
17:32 < Bart_> dmacks k
17:39 < dmacks> dmalloc: fink-mirrors is unable to find a tcpreplay tarball that matches the MD5.
17:40 < cirdan> hmm
17:41 < dmalloc> yepp because fink-mirrors seems broken for many packages
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17:42 < cirdan> fink needs a --no-download mode
17:42 < cirdan> for people on slow dial-up lines
17:43 < cirdan> that would only build packages that you already have the sources to
17:43 < newmanbe> Feel free to do that. :)
17:43 < dmacks> dmalloc: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.os.apple.fink.auto-logs/85
17:44 < dmacks> I manually pulled the file and also see the 6c... checksum.
18:15 < dmacks> RangerRick: .turd :)
18:16 < RangerRick> :)
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18:28 < newmanbe> TheSin: Happy birthday!
18:28 < newmanbe> Hrm. Not here.
18:29 < newmanbe> Happy birthday vasi!
18:29 < newmanbe> Sigh, not here either.
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18:45 < akh> Must be out drinking beer, eh?
18:46  * cirdan is
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18:51  * akh will when I get home.
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18:52 < cirdan> hmmm, we need a .developer.fink hostmask :-)
18:52 < newmanbe> "Need"?
18:54 < cirdan> sure
18:54 < cirdan> to keep up with the jones's
18:54 < newmanbe> Will you die if you don't get one? :-p
18:54 < cirdan> no, you will
18:55 < newmanbe> How's that?
18:55 < akh> He'll get @ and kickban you.
18:55 < newmanbe> Then I would just live in fink@conference.jabber.org and the other...
18:56 < newmanbe> eleven channels I am in.
18:56  * akh couldn't think of another way cirdan could kill you.  ;-) 
18:56 < akh> (without some travel, anyway)
18:56 < cirdan> !alicekill newmanbe 
18:56 < Melian> I want to kill newmanbe, I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill newmanbe. Kill. I wanna see newmanbe's blood and gore and guts and have newmanbe's veins in my teeth.  Eat newmanbe's dead burnt body.  I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL! and I jump around with cirdan, yelling "KILL, KILL"
18:56 < cirdan> !
18:56 < cirdan> :-)
18:57 < newmanbe> You fixed it! :)
18:57 < dmalloc> !die
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18:57 < dmalloc> err?
18:57 < newmanbe> lol
18:57 < akh> hehe
18:57 < cirdan> wtf
18:57 < cirdan> dmalloc is not supposed to have that power...
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18:57 < dmalloc> must be the old hacker days
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20:07 < The_Tick> woah!
20:07 < The_Tick> fink+growl rocks!
20:08 < gzl> fink + growl?
20:08 < gzl> how does that work
20:08 < The_Tick> ya
20:08 < The_Tick> fink install bla
20:08 < The_Tick> installs something
20:08 < The_Tick> tells you when it installs or fails
20:08 < The_Tick> just trying it now
20:08 < gzl> ah, cool
20:08 < The_Tick> just gotta install the mac::growl binding for growl
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21:07 < cirdan> hmmm
21:08 < zizban> hmmmm?
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21:14 < cirdan> hmm
21:18 < newmanbe> Hmmm.
21:19  * newmanbe does a denial of service attack on cirdan before he gets a hostmask. :-p
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21:48 < cirdan> .
21:51 < zizban>  /
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