--- Log opened Sat Jul 02 00:00:28 2005
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02:50 < Murrito> hi
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03:36 < sandhill> Can anybody help me on how to install KDE on Tiger? I tried `sudo apt-get install bundle-kde` as suggested in http://fink.sourceforge.net/news/kde.php but it says can't find package.
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03:39 < dmacks> sandhill: Need specific error message in order to give a specific solution. Otherwise best we can say is "RTFFAQ or else fix some settings" :)
03:40 < sandhill> Well that's the thing, there's no error, all I get is
03:40 < sandhill> Reading Package Lists... Done
03:40 < sandhill> Building Dependency Tree... Done
03:40 < sandhill> E: Couldn't find package bundle-kde
03:40 < sandhill> :(
03:40 < sandhill> I was able to install wget, so I know that fink is working
03:40 < dmacks> Already I know more than before...missing the whole bundle-kde not just a dependency of it.
03:41 < sandhill> dmacks: what?
03:41 < dmacks> What does the Fink FAQ say about apt-get not finding packages?
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03:41 < dmacks> !faq
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03:42 < dmacks> cirdan: Your bot is dead.
03:43 < sandhill> dmacks: hmm. http://fink.sourceforge.net/pdb/package.php/bundle-kde says 0.8.0 under Binary distribution and dist, so i guess I assumed wrong that it means that a package is present
03:44 < dmacks> ...except that it says "0.8.0 not present"
03:46 < dmacks> (those column headers are a bit confusing perhaps. "dist" means the binary distribution itself, "version" means the version of the specific package available in that dist)
03:46 < dmacks> (...or in this case, that it is not there)
03:46 < sandhill> dmacks: thanks, it makes sense now
03:47 < sandhill> i edited fink.conf and running selfupdate now
03:47 < sandhill> i guess it will work after that :)
03:47 < dmacks> Everyone says the columns are confusing, nobody has proposed a layout that isn't at least as bad:(
03:47 < dmacks> Probably. I don't use KDE myself, but others here do.
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07:10 < vasi> !seen msachs
07:11 < vasi> !seen Melian :-)
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09:32 < pogma> hi
09:33 < asari> hi pogma
09:38 < pogma> heh, so on tiger 'export MANPATH=/sw/share/man:' will affix the normally searched manpaths
09:39 < pogma> does not work on panther unfortunately
09:41 < RangerRick> export MANPATH="/sw/share/man:`manpath`" ?
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09:43 < pogma> no, just export MANPATH="/sw/share/man:"
09:43 < pogma> then run manpath
09:43 < pogma> all the usual suspects are at the end
09:44 < pogma> holy crap they changed it lots
09:44 < RangerRick> right, I'm just saying, won't the command I said make it work everywhere?
09:45 < RangerRick> rather than assuming it will append the default manpath
09:45 < RangerRick> append it specifically...
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09:45 < pogma> RangerRick: Yes, but we don't need to do anything manpath like in tiger, I think
09:45 < pogma> unset MANPATH
09:45 < pogma> manpath
09:47 < RangerRick> guess I'm just confused what you're doing... is there an actual problem, or are you just trying to simplify it?
09:47 < pogma> just screwing about and was surprised that manpath changed
09:48 < pogma> not about to change anything, it works as is
09:48 < RangerRick> why?  manpath changes every frickin' time  :)
09:48 < pogma> heh, didn't exist in 10.2, exists in 10.3, different results in 10.4
09:49 < pogma> your sample size is too small to support that statement :)
09:49 < RangerRick> well, manual page path handling, I meant
09:49 < RangerRick> not necessarily the binary
09:50 < pogma> RangerRick: just felt like arguing
09:50 < pogma> never mind :)
09:50 < RangerRick> hehe
09:50 < RangerRick> "kamikaze"
09:50 < RangerRick> I kinda like that  :)
09:51 < pogma> god's wind
09:51 < RangerRick> post to the list just now
09:51 < zizban> I thought it was "divine wind"
09:52 < pogma> zizban: hmm, ask asari 
09:52 < zizban> ok
09:52 < pogma> god == divine imo though
09:53 < zizban> in modern terms but when the phrase was coined I don't think they meant god
09:54 < asari> I guess that what "kamikaze" mean is different in Japanese than in English
09:55 < pogma> I think so
09:55 < zizban> probably
09:55 < pogma> I would see it as being lucky, good
09:56 < zizban> just in the text books here, in history class, it's always translated as "divine wind"
09:56 < pogma> I don't think it is an appropriate name for a new tree
09:56 < pogma> but I get the intent
09:59 < pogma> wikipedia is enlightening http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamikaze
10:00 < asari> it enlightens me
10:01 < RangerRick> "I see" said the blind man, who picked up a hammer and saw.
10:01 < zizban> says divine wind there too, interesting
10:02 < RangerRick> wikipedia is one of those things that just amazes me
10:03 < RangerRick> it's like mozilla, when it first came out, you think "man, that's just *never* gonna happen, it's just huge!"
10:03 < RangerRick> 3 years later, "holy crap!  check that out!"
10:03 < zizban> ya
10:03 < asari> http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/$B?@Iw(B
10:03 < pogma> asari: yeah!
10:04 < asari> says that "$B?@Iw(B(kamikaze)" originally meant "fresh wind"
10:05 < asari> wind from where Gods lived
10:05 < asari> lives
10:05 < zizban> cool
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10:08 < pogma> amazing that the japanese page and english one are so totally different
10:08  * asari nods
10:11 < pogma> exceptionally bad translation -> http://216.239.37.104/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&langpair=ja%7Cen&u=http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%25E7%25A5%259E%25E9%25A2%25A8&prev=/language_tools
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10:13 < asari> the cold which bites...
10:14 < asari> "Kamukaze" (which can mean the cold which bites!) is another pronunciation of "Kamikaze"
10:16 < zizban> cool
10:16 < RangerRick> literally
10:17 < zizban> ya :)
10:18 < asari> I made a mistake :( 
10:18 < asari> Kamukaze *never* means "cold  which bites"
10:18 < asari> kamu == bite, kaze == wind
10:19 < zizban> wind that bites? ouch
10:19 < pogma> don't we have 'biting wind' in english?
10:19 < vasi> yep pogma
10:19 < zizban> yes
10:20 < zizban> " There is a cold, biting wind outside" for example
10:20 < asari> "kaze" can also mean "cold".. ah, how difficult Japanese is!
10:21 < pogma> anyway, I replied to kevin
10:25 < vasi> "cold which bites" sounds more poetic than "biting wind" though
10:26 < zizban> sure does
10:26 < zizban> btw Vasi, I got Galeon installed and working
10:26 < vasi> woo, thanks zizban
10:26 < asari> Kaze($BIw<Y(B) means flu, not just being cold
10:26 < zizban> it works fine
10:27 < zizban> the first tiem I tried to change the prefences it froze, dunno if it was my computer or not
10:27 < zizban> after quiting and restarting, I could change the preferences
10:27 < vasi> hmm, i'll take a look at that
10:27 < zizban> pretty stable thing, works great
10:27 < vasi> i never use it myself except for testing...i just seem to have gotten stuck to it :-)
10:28 < zizban> I used it for two days trying to crash it
10:28 < zizban> and it didn't
10:28 < vasi> like one of those little balls of stuff that feels like it's covered in velcro and never comes off
10:28 < vasi> er...it has a name
10:28 < zizban> :)
10:28 < vasi> burr!
10:28 < vasi> (i think...)
10:28 < zizban> yes
10:29 < zizban> your correct, a burr
10:29 < vasi> ooh i've got a new Nicotine.app up....http://nicotine-app.sf.net
10:29 < vasi> i've gotta post my build-script for it, it's much nicer than before
10:30 < vasi> (though never as nice as i'd like)
10:30 < zizban> hmmmmm
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11:26 < vasi> pogma, are you really suggesting that it should be possible for a package to go into unstable (and hence have root on many users' machines) without any filtering through ppl with commit bits?
11:26 < pogma> vasi: yes, I am
11:27 < pogma> vasi: stop it if it is bad, otherwise let it go
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11:27 < vasi> i wouldn't mind having a pre-tracker filter
11:27 < vasi> so that the tracker wouldn't be full of non-validating packages
11:27 < pogma> vasi: I'm more that willing to argue this on-list
11:28 < pogma> than
11:28 < pogma> yes, that is a good short-term idea
11:28 < RangerRick> I think it's reasonable as long as it passes validate and/or msach's scripts (build-as-nobody, doesn't install outside the buildroot)
11:28 < RangerRick> if it's broken, then, it's at least broken in a way that's unlikely to mess up people's systems
11:29 < vasi> i don't like how easy it would be for someone to hide a 'sploit
11:30 < pogma> the time in the windygod tree and cvs mail messages would give us a goodish chance of finding the exploit
11:30 < vasi> ie: submit a package containing your own software, which includes in some .c file something like 'if (date > 2006-04-01) { system(rm -rf /) }'
11:30 < pogma> also requiring gpg signed submissions etc
11:30 < vasi> how would we catch that?
11:30 < pogma> vasi: how do we catch it now?
11:31 < vasi> we have a pile of committers who are supposed to check that a piece of software is actually credible before including it in fink
11:31 < vasi> so when i find a package, i check if anybody else has ever heard of it and used it
11:32 < RangerRick> that's more than most people do, I'm sure  :)
11:32 < pogma> vasi: okay, automatic checks could flag pacakges not appearing in other distros as questionable
11:33 < The_Tick> how about untested/unstable/stable?
11:33 < The_Tick> or expiramental or whatever
11:33 < vasi> another reason i'd like to be a bit more careful is that i'd like to turn the auto-builds into an unstable bindist
11:33 < vasi> which demands a bit more care in what gets let through
11:34 < vasi> The_Tick, i think following Debian is best for consistency....create a 'testing' between stable and unstable
11:34 < pogma> vasi: some of what gets through now, shouldn't, depends entirely on who does the review
11:34 < pogma> vasi: we need more automation
11:34 < vasi> pogma, yes i'm not pretending we have a world-class code-review team or anything
11:34 < The_Tick> vasi: ya, see... why do we have to follow debian?
11:35 < The_Tick> they seem like a whole bunch of stuck up snobby linux users to me ;)
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11:35 < vasi> pogma, definitely! i just want a different kind of automation
11:35 < RangerRick> The_Tick: because they're the most anal, and the most likely to do it well  :)
11:35 < pogma> vasi: I think we can agree here, lets fight on-list
11:35 < RangerRick> doesn't mean we have to, just means it's a good starting place to check for ideas
11:35 < The_Tick> RangerRick: btw, got growl and fink going
11:35 < vasi> i'd rather have validate -> tracker -> minimal testing by a committer -> unstable -> auto-build -> testing
11:35 < The_Tick> it's so nice :)
11:35 < RangerRick> The_Tick: hehe, yeah
11:36 < The_Tick> makes me want to stab someone and make growl part of the default build :P
11:36 < pogma> your goals are the same as mine vasi 
11:36 < vasi> yes pogma, i'm not out to get you
11:36 < vasi> :-)
11:36 < RangerRick> The_Tick: of fink?  it is, you just need the perl module and growl installed globally  :)
11:36 < vasi> (at least not yet, muahahahah)
11:37 < pogma> eyeballs are needed too, but...
11:37 < The_Tick> RangerRick: so like.. put growl on the dmg or something :P
11:37 < The_Tick> or in the pkg installer actually, make a mpkg
11:37 < The_Tick> that'd be kinda cool
11:37 < The_Tick> or maybe not, *shrug*
11:38 < vasi> i'll make concessions if that's what it takes to get an unstable bindist though...i think the biggest thing holding fink back is the time it takes ppl to build and test things
11:38 < RangerRick> it's optional, there's no reason to be enforcing it
11:38 < vasi> (er, biggest thing that's practical to fix)
11:38 < The_Tick> RangerRick: dude, that's robert jordan talk
11:39 < RangerRick> we do need to document it more, though, I'm sure many users would like it
11:39 < RangerRick> The_Tick: huh?
11:39 < RangerRick> what does that have to do with tugging hair?
11:39 < RangerRick> :)
11:39 < The_Tick> i'm going to document the process on the growl website
11:39 < The_Tick> haha
11:39 < The_Tick> you got it :P
11:39 < The_Tick> anyhow, new design of the growl website is forthcoming
11:40 < The_Tick> and i'll try to have the process for fink+growl documented
11:40 < vasi> RR, any chance we can load growl on-demand only?
11:40 < vasi> it takes a long time (1-2 seconds) to load
11:41 < RangerRick> vasi: good question, dunno
11:41 < vasi> i'll take a closer look on my next optimizing pass
11:42 < RangerRick> problem is, that's how the plugin knows whether it's valid or not
11:43 < RangerRick> I guess it could go into the notification part
11:45 < RangerRick> I bet just the require is fast
11:45 < RangerRick> I can move the register bit into the event call
11:46 < vasi> yeah, that's the idea
11:53  * RangerRick tries his changed code
11:54 < RangerRick> yup
11:55 < RangerRick> committed  :)
11:55 < RangerRick> erp
11:55 < zizban> you rock
11:55 < zizban> now work on kde/mac :P
11:55 < vasi> erp?
11:56 < RangerRick> ww
11:56 < RangerRick> :)
11:56 < RangerRick> got some packaging stuff to work on first
11:56 < RangerRick> wanna get kdepim3/nocrash and koffice 1.4 out the door
11:56 < zizban> ahhh cool
11:56 < vasi> btw RR, did you get my mail on xorg and luit?
11:57 < RangerRick> vasi: doesn't ring a bell, but probably  :)
11:57 < RangerRick> you send it to me, or to xorg@?
11:58 < vasi> you, cc'ed to torrey@mrcla.com
11:58 < vasi> which is hopefully torrey's actually email
11:58 < RangerRick> yeah, should be
11:58 < RangerRick> havne't heard from him for a while though
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12:03 < vasi> i have no idea what he does on xorg aside from the OS X work....so no idea if this is really his problem
12:04 < vasi> i think there's an xorg bugzilla, maybe i'll stick it there
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12:14 < cirdan> Failed: phase compiling: libgtkhtml2-2.6.2-10 failed
12:15 < cirdan> grr
12:15 < zizban> ouch
12:15 < zizban> doesn't kconger do the gnome stuff?
12:15 < cirdan> no, /dev/null does it
12:15 < cirdan> :-p
12:16 < zizban> heh
12:16 < cirdan> its a reird eror, too
12:16 < cirdan> /usr/bin/libtool: internal link edit command failed
12:16 < cirdan> weirs
12:16 < cirdan> gah. weird
12:16 < cirdan> and it's the only thing left on my update-all
12:17 < cirdan> i'm finally in the 10.4t tree ;-)
12:17 < zizban> cool
12:17 < cirdan> yeah
12:17 < cirdan> not i just gotta start the 10.4 tree ;-)
12:17 < zizban> I updated to unstable, so perhap I will be soon
12:17 < cirdan> always unstable
12:18 < zizban> well, for me, it depends if some developer/maintainer need something tested
12:18 < zizban> so I'm always borking my fink install
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12:52 < vasi> oh shit
12:52 < vasi> i hate the internal link edit failures
12:54 < vasi> cirdan, is it the same as this? http://fink.opendarwin.org/build/2005-06-24/logs/libgtkhtml2.log
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12:56 < vasi> pogma, if you're around and can look at that log it would be appreciated :-)
12:57 < vasi> it doesn't look right to have both libgcc and libgcc_s
13:00 < vasi> er, never mind, you already did look at it
13:00 < vasi> http://lists.apple.com/archives/Unix-porting/2005/May/msg00005.html i guess
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13:12 < cirdan> heh
13:13 < zizban> bbl
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13:13 < cirdan> wtf
13:13 < cirdan> vasi
13:13 < cirdan> grr
13:13 < cirdan> !seen vasu
13:13 < Melian> cirdan: i haven't seen 'vasu'
13:13 < cirdan> !seen vasi
13:13 < Melian> vasi <~vasi@modemcable214.145-70-69.mc.videotron.ca> was last seen on IRC in channel #fink, 16m 43s ago, saying: 'it doesn't look right to have both libgcc and libgcc_s'.
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14:46 < steve_k> hey all.. i'm installing fink 0.8 on tiger and am having problems.  I didn't realize you needed some of the apple dev packages (gcc, x11) to be installed first, so i installed them after and I don't think things are working right.  For example, apt-get install lame can't find the package.  Do I need to reinstall fink?
14:47 < newmanbe> You do not need the dev packages.
14:47 < newmanbe> Only if you want to build packages from source.
14:47 < newmanbe> try "sudo fink selfupdate"
14:48 < newmanbe> Kevin Horton should write shorter e-mails.
14:48 < steve_k> newmanbe: the reason i installed the dev packages was that i assumed i needed them to get rid of the "cc1plus is not an executable" message
14:48 < steve_k> but i'll try that
14:49 < steve_k> for selfupdate, which method should i use?
14:49 < newmanbe> rsync
14:49 < steve_k> running
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14:52 < steve_k> newmanbe: it says i need gcc 4.0 to do this, is that correct
14:52 < newmanbe> !lisppaste
14:52 < Melian> lisppaste is probably a bot that lets you post large chunks of text without flooding the channel. Use it at http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink
14:52 < newmanbe> Past the error there.
14:52 < newmanbe> Melian forget lisppaste
14:52 < Melian> i forgot lisppaste, newmanbe
14:53 < newmanbe> Melian: lisppaste is <REPLY>lisppaste is a bot that lets you post large chunks of text without flooding the channel. Use it at http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink .
14:53 < Melian> okay, newmanbe
14:53 < newmanbe> !lisppaste
14:53 < Melian> lisppaste is a bot that lets you post large chunks of text without flooding the channel. Use it at http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink .
14:53 < steve_k> Failed: This package ust be compiled with GCC 4.0.0, but you currently have GCC 3.3 selected.   To correct this problem, run the command: sudo gcc_select 4.0
14:53 < steve_k> and when i run the sudo, it tells me that i'm missing files for gcc 4.0 (i have only installed 3.3)
14:54 < newmanbe> What command did you run to get the "Failed: This package..." message?
14:54 < RangerRick> steve_k: is this an upgrade from 10.3?
14:54 < RangerRick> if so, did you ever install xcode 2.0?
14:54 < RangerRick> or 2.1 for that matter?
14:54 < RangerRick> if not, that's your problem
14:54 < steve_k> no, this is a brand new mac mini with tiger preinstalled
14:55 < steve_k> newmanbe: that was from the selfupdate
14:55 < RangerRick> oh, you only installed 3.3
14:55 < RangerRick> sorry, didn't realize that
14:55 < RangerRick> install 4.0  :)
14:56 < newmanbe> selfupdate isn't a package.
14:56 < newmanbe> Bad error message.
14:56 < newmanbe> Or is it?
14:57 < steve_k> well, it looks like selfupdate was doing an upgrade of apt apt-shlibs dpkg
14:57 < steve_k> it curl'd the packages, then gave that error
14:58 < newmanbe> Looks like http://www.finkproject.org/faq/comp-general.php?phpLang=en#gcc2 needs to be updated.
14:58 < newmanbe> Hmm, perhaps not.
14:58 < newmanbe> Slightly different.
14:59 < steve_k> installing gcc 4.0 and going to re-run selfupdate
15:00 < RangerRick> anyone remember how to get a compile line to dump the cpp output?
15:00 < RangerRick> like, what you add to it?
15:01  * newmanbe would guess --dump-cpp or --debug but guesses those are wrong.
15:01 < steve_k> oy looks like i need perl too
15:01 < newmanbe> Mac OS X come with perl...
15:01 < steve_k> hm, but i have it yea
15:02 < steve_k> ### execution of PERL=/usr/bin/perl failed, exit code 77
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15:02 < steve_k> Failed: compiling dpkg-1.10.21-217 failed
15:02 < newmanbe> !lisppaste
15:02 < Melian> lisppaste is a bot that lets you post large chunks of text without flooding the channel. Use it at http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink .
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15:04 < lisppaste> steve_k pasted "selfupdate error" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9581
15:04 < steve_k> thanks
15:07 < newmanbe> "See `config.log' for more details."
15:08 < steve_k> searching for it ;)
15:08 < steve_k> hm i wonder if spotlight could find it
15:08 < steve_k> ah find found it
15:10 < steve_k> hmm... "can't locate file for -lcrt1.o"
15:11 < steve_k> google says to reinstall xcode
15:12 < RangerRick> steve_k: yeah
15:12 < newmanbe> !lart Apple
15:12  * Melian explains, ever so gently, that if Apple doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help
15:12 < RangerRick> installer.app is notorious for forgetting to update files
15:13 < RangerRick> what kind of lart is that?!
15:13 < steve_k> running the XcodeTools.mpkg... i haven't done this yet, i was installing separate packages from the packages dir before
15:14 < newmanbe> #fink, official news service of Apple. You'll here it (officially) here first!
15:15 < newmanbe> !lart cirdan for allowing stupid larts
15:15  * Melian moos at cirdan for allowing stupid larts
15:15 < newmanbe> !lart cirdan for allowing stupid larts
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15:15 < newmanbe> Melian: I don't care if someone just said that five seconds ago!
15:15 < Melian> no idea, newmanbe
15:15 < newmanbe> !lart cirdan for allowing stupid larts
15:15  * Melian takes cirdan to the vet for a "special" visit for allowing stupid larts
15:15 < newmanbe> Hmm, that's better.
15:17 < newmanbe> !lart Melian for mooing
15:17  * Melian explains, ever so gently, that if newmanbe doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help for mooing
15:18 < newmanbe> Bah.
15:18 < newmanbe> !alicekill cirdan
15:18 < Melian> I want to kill cirdan, I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill cirdan. Kill. I wanna see cirdan's blood and gore and guts and have cirdan's veins in my teeth.  Eat cirdan's dead burnt body.  I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL! and I jump around with newmanbe, yelling "KILL, KILL"
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15:31 < steve_k> newmanbe: ok looks like the selfupdate went through
15:31 < cirdan> steve_k: did you updrade from 10.3?
15:31 < newmanbe> Good.
15:31 < newmanbe> cirdan: No.
15:31 < cirdan> hmm, ok
15:32 < steve_k> anything else i should do before trying to apt-get install alme?
15:32 < cirdan> make sure you guys tell the upgrade ppl to run the devtools uninstaller
15:32 < steve_k> er lame
15:35 < steve_k> should fink install binaries by default?
15:35 < newmanbe> If you use apt-get, yes.
15:36 < steve_k> how about fink install?
15:36 < newmanbe> That will install the most recent version avaliable.
15:36 < steve_k> ah ok
15:38 < steve_k> so in the case of lame, there seems to be no binary package (apt-get install lame can't find one) but fink install lame seems to work (currently compiling...)
15:38 < steve_k> is this because fink 0.8 is new?
15:41 < RangerRick> lame has a restrictive license that makes it not legal for us to distribute binaries
15:42 < RangerRick> so it's only available in source-build form
15:42 < steve_k> aah ok
15:42 < steve_k> figures the first package i choose would be complex ;)
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15:57 < newmanbe> Webcast streaming doesn't use the web!
15:58 < newmanbe> cirdan: Melian responds to !die from anyone.
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16:04 < jritter> does anyone know if pyc files are associated with pythonw by default on 10.3 and 10.4 (it's important that it's pythonw)
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16:33 < RangerRick> howdy ms	
16:33 < RangerRick> er
16:33 < RangerRick> msachs
16:33 < RangerRick> yay terminal freakiness
16:33 < msachs> hey ben
16:33 < msachs> heh
16:33 < msachs> how's it goign?
16:33 < RangerRick> pretty well
16:33 < RangerRick> working on getting koffice 1.4 out
16:33 < msachs> mm
16:34 < msachs> it does need to get out more, it's not healthy for it to sit around the house all day like that
16:34 < RangerRick> heh, exactly
16:34 < RangerRick> going to see Mindless Self Indulgence tonight
16:34 < RangerRick> woot
16:34 < msachs> ah, fun
16:34 < RangerRick> I expect wackiness to ensue
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16:35 < msachs> undoubtably
16:35 < RangerRick> found a nice goofy header in 10.3 that breaks part of koffice
16:35 < RangerRick> http://paste.lisp.org/display/9583
16:36 < RangerRick> they have a template called _T
16:36 < RangerRick> but ctype.h also defines _T  :)
16:36 < msachs> oy vey
16:36 < RangerRick> it's wrapped in _NONSTD_SOURCE on 10.4
16:36 < RangerRick> turns out c++ doeesn't like: template<typename 0x00100000L>
16:36 < RangerRick> haha
16:37 < RangerRick> can't imagine why
16:37 < msachs> Stupid C++.
16:37 < msachs> Clearly a compiler bug.
16:37 < RangerRick> hehe
16:37 < msachs> Have you tried passing -DWIM ?
16:38 < RangerRick> yeah, got an IFYE
16:38 < RangerRick> it's like an ICE but much more angry
16:39 < msachs> It's an ICE_ICE_BABY
16:39 < RangerRick> hehe
16:41 < RangerRick> got a PSP today, pretty sweet
16:41 < msachs> Oh, yeah?
16:41 < msachs> Put Linux on it yet?
16:41 < RangerRick> heh, no
16:41 < RangerRick> still need to investigate what things you can do with it
16:42 < RangerRick> also need a smartcard reader if I want to do anything interesting like linux, I suppose
16:42 < msachs> Mm.
16:43 < RangerRick> especially in light of http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/portable-media/sony/retail-psp-games-run-from-memorystick-110974.php  ;)
16:44 < msachs> heh, "new chat program called IRC."
16:45 < RangerRick> heh, yeah.  there is a tongue, and perhaps a cheek, involved
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16:46 < msachs> I wonder when the media will report about "a new peer-to-peer file pirating ring called 'USENET'"
17:21 < newmanbe> msachs: Or Fink (just use the commercial for License:, even if it's not). :-p
17:23 < msachs> I'll assume that would make more sense if I remember what I last said and/or hadn't cleared my scrollback ;)
17:23 < newmanbe> USENET, the not-yet-world-famous file pirating ring.
17:24 < msachs> ahh, yes
17:24 < msachs> heheh
17:25 < msachs> Is your computer a terrorist?  We'll tell you how to find out at 11.
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17:55 < master_of_puppet> hi, I whant to install mplayer but only this message appears: ### execution of dpkg failed, exit code 1
17:55 < master_of_puppet> Failed: can't install package fink-0.24.7-21
17:55 < zizban> are you using unstable?
18:01 < master_of_puppet> zizban: yes
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18:36 < newmanbe> master_of_puppet
18:36 < newmanbe> !lisppaste
18:36 < newmanbe> Oops, Melian isn't here.
18:36 < newmanbe> lisppaste; url?
18:36 < lisppaste> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink and enter your paste.
18:36 < newmanbe> Paste more of the error there.
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18:38 < lisppaste> master pasted "err" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9589
18:39 < master_of_puppet> http://paste.lisp.org/display/9589
18:39 < newmanbe> Hmm, Checking system... Power Macintosh-apple-darwin8.1.0
18:39 < newmanbe> This system is unrecognized and not supported by Fink.
18:39 < newmanbe> I didn't know that was a fatal error, but it looks like it is.
18:40 < master_of_puppet> but it is a miniMac with Tiger 10.4.1
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18:41 < newmanbe> I don't now if Mac OS X 10.4 is supported.
18:41 < newmanbe> Try running sudo fink selfupdate
18:42 < lisppaste> master pasted "self" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9590
18:44 < master_of_puppet> newmanbe: look at the url
18:44 < newmanbe> Hmm...
18:45 < newmanbe> Did you enable/un-enable unstable at all?
18:46 < master_of_puppet> in fink commander unstable is set on
18:55 < newmanbe> I don't know.
18:55 < newmanbe> Perhaps someone else can help.
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21:48 < stmartin> What happened to mbrowse? It used to be in Fink, but doesn't show up in fink list --tree=unstable in the latest version.
21:49 < Feanor> http://fink.sf.net/pdb/package.php/mbrowse
21:49 < stmartin> Odd, I wonder where I got it from.
21:50 < zizban> totally empty entry
21:57 < cirdan> yay
21:57 < cirdan> 3stooges on archive.org
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