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Butbutbut, DNS-SD is cool! =D 08:21 -!- Feanor [~astrange@feanor.developer.opendarwin] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:35 -!- mike-_- [~no@alesund-dhcp-242-6.bluecom.no] has joined #fink 08:37 < mike-_-> hi, i'm having some problems with cctools during bootstrap with darwin 7.0 or 7.0.1, x86, it just stops as soon as i do make, any cure for this? 08:38 * knghtbrd has no idea, but to help clarify the question, define "just stops"? 08:39 < mike-_-> nothing happens 08:39 < pogma> mike-_-: can you paste the output to lisppaste 08:40 < pogma> mike-_-: darwin 7? Why did you choose that over opendarwin-7.2 ? 08:41 < mike-_-> "/sw/src/cctools-extra-525-1/libstuff /sw/src/cctools-extras-525/cctools-525" 08:41 < mike-_-> well i have got the 8.x but that didnt want to install 08:42 < mike-_-> and i've got 7 from a while back and that installs 08:42 < pogma> mike-_-: please use lisppaste and paste a couple of dozen lines to it 08:42 < pogma> lisppaste: url? 08:42 < lisppaste> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink and enter your paste. 08:43 < mike-_-> it's on the pc besides me here, and ssh dont work and i have to write all the sfuff down 08:44 < mike-_-> but if u give me a min that can probably be done :S 08:45 < pogma> urk, that sucks 08:45 < mike-_-> mhm 08:45 < mike-_-> but when i go to the cctools dir and do the make, there is just nothing 08:45 < mike-_-> might as well be doing sleep 999999999999999999 08:47 < pogma> mike-_-: but the bootstrap stops in cctools-extra? 08:47 < mike-_-> yes, but in the cctools dir in the cctools-extra 08:47 < pogma> cctools-extra just builds a couple of bits of cctools (libstuff and misc) 08:48 < knghtbrd> "Hewlett Packard Panasonic 8x CD-ROM Drive .... Made to Hewlett Packard standards!" That's what I'm afraid of... ;) 08:48 < mike-_-> lol 08:48 < mike-_-> sam thing happens in /sw/src/cctools/ 08:48 < mike-_-> if i do the make dance 08:51 < pogma> mike-_-: I have heard reports that fink bootstraps on opendarwin-7.2, I think it bootstraps on 7.0.1, I really don't know. If you cd /sw/src/cctools/libstuff and make, it also hangs forever? 08:57 < mike-_-> 2 sec 08:58 < mike-_-> pogma, yep 08:59 < mike-_-> maybe i should try opendarwin 7.2 then 09:01 < mike-_-> but it must be a problem with the cctools-525 anyway 09:06 -!- notme [~notme@pem-tcs2-port102.vianet.ca] has joined #fink 09:18 < mike-_-> pogma, how can i use unstable during the bootstrap+ 09:19 < pogma> mike-_-: you can't, why? The 10.3 bootstrap should be fine, 10.4 is broken on x86 though 09:20 < mike-_-> maybe it would work, opendarwin 7.2 is 10,3? 09:20 -!- ringerc [~craig@dsl-202-72-144-62.wa.westnet.com.au] has joined #fink 09:23 -!- You're now known as RangerRick 09:23 < mike-_-> pogma, ? 09:26 < vasi> pogma, 10.4 is broken on XCode 2.1, both arch's 09:27 < pogma> vasi: I know 09:27 < pogma> vasi: need to move that crap to stable 09:27 < vasi> i think dmacks moved it to stable 09:28 < pogma> what? But not bootstrap? 09:28 < vasi> yeah 09:28 < pogma> okay, looking 09:28 < vasi> it requires modifying the .info to make a bootstrappable one 09:28 < vasi> and a new release of fink-the-package 09:28 < pogma> nah 09:28 < pogma> just tell people to pull cvs 09:29 -!- axeljaeger_ [~axeljaege@131.128.105.144] has joined #fink 09:29 < vasi> well at least drm seemed to think so.../me takes no position on the matter 09:29 < pogma> I don't think head is ready for a release anyway, is it? 09:29 < RangerRick> I don't believe so 09:29 < RangerRick> not unless someone's finished thesin's switching-out work 09:29 < axeljaeger_> hello, I have a problem with apt-get on osx: surface:~ axeljaeger$ sudo apt-get install kde 09:29 < axeljaeger_> Reading Package Lists... Done 09:29 < axeljaeger_> Building Dependency Tree... Done 09:29 < axeljaeger_> W: Couldn't stat source package list file: unstable/main Packages (/sw/var/lib/apt/lists/_sw_fink_dists_unstable_main_binary-darwin-powerpc_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) 09:29 < axeljaeger_> ... 09:29 < RangerRick> last I heard it still only went with the first in |'s 09:30 < RangerRick> axeljaeger_: fink scanpackages 09:30 < RangerRick> and there is no package named "kde" 09:30 < RangerRick> nor is kde in the bindist unless you're on 10.3 ;) 09:30 < pogma> and please don't paste in the channel 09:30 < axeljaeger_> I'm 09:30 < axeljaeger_> ok 09:30 < axeljaeger_> but thanks anyway for help 09:30 < pogma> axeljaeger_: what do you want ot do? 09:31 < vasi> pogma, not a 0.25 release, just another 0.24.x release 09:31 < axeljaeger_> install KDE 3.4 on OSX 10.3 09:31 < RangerRick> axeljaeger_: 'fink install bundle-kde-ssl' 09:31 < RangerRick> but it will build frmo source, takes a couple days 09:31 < axeljaeger_> so there is no binary out now? 09:31 < RangerRick> not yet 09:31 < RangerRick> haven't heard any good/bad reports on my new kdepim3 09:31 < axeljaeger_> OK. Will it be in a couple of days? 09:32 < vasi> RR, is that the only problem with switching out? and what's the desired behavior? (give the user a choice which -dev to install?) 09:32 < RangerRick> it will be in a couple of weeks, if all goes well 09:32 < RangerRick> a couple more if not 09:32 < RangerRick> vasi: er? 09:32 < axeljaeger_> ok, so try building myself will be worth the time 09:32 < RangerRick> vasi: oh, the auto-choose 09:32 < vasi> er, whatever you wanna call it 09:32 < RangerRick> yeah, the desired behavior would be to ask, or to remember what was already chosen 09:33 < vasi> ok, maybe i'll do it myself then 09:33 < vasi> still gotta finish the incremental indexing, it doesn't work with selfupdate-rsync 09:35 < pogma> wtf is AddShlibDeps: true ? 09:36 < axeljaeger_> RangerRick: Does bundle-kde-ssl contain koffice with krita? 09:36 < RangerRick> axeljaeger_: no, although I'm working on that right now 09:37 < RangerRick> koffice is still 1.3 in unstable 09:37 * RangerRick is doing a test-build of 1.4.0 packages at this very moment 09:37 < RangerRick> I've started krita up on my machine, and it works :) 09:38 < axeljaeger_> cool 09:38 < RangerRick> does anyone have any ideas on what I should do about the kde/doxygen problem? 09:38 < axeljaeger_> ok, downloading 3.4.1 09:39 < pogma> Hmm, gettext-tools is required by dpkg in the stable tree, but gettext-tools is not in stable 09:41 < pogma> oh, I'm wrong 09:41 < pogma> old getext has a -tools splitoff 09:44 -!- axeljaeger_ [~axeljaege@131.128.105.144] has left #fink ["Leaving"] 09:44 -!- axeljaeger_ [~axeljaege@131.128.105.144] has joined #fink 09:45 -!- notme [~notme@pem-tcs2-port102.vianet.ca] has quit [Connection timed out] 09:54 -!- dk0r [~dk0r@cpe-24-194-171-176.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #fink 09:56 < vasi> pogma, AddShlibsDeps: true means fink should add deps to a package based on the libraries it's linked to 09:56 < vasi> so rather than adding Depends: , 09:56 -!- asari [~asari@p2003-ipbf705marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #Fink 09:57 < vasi> the link depends will be automatically created 09:58 < pogma> what's it doing in fink/10.3/dpkg.info was more my question :) 09:58 < vasi> i think that's TheSin's fault :-) 10:00 -!- Feanor [~astrange@feanor.developer.opendarwin] has joined #fink 10:01 < pogma> question - isn't the system's tar good enough for bootstrap on both 10.3 and 10.4? 10:01 < pogma> can I remove it from the list of things to build in phase 1? 10:07 < mike-_-> hum, i'm thinking maybe i shluld use the 0.7.2 version of fink.... 10:18 < pogma> mike-_-: don't know, sorry 10:18 < pogma> so nobody cares if I remove tar from bootsrap phase 1? 10:18 < cirdan> I guess not 10:19 < cirdan> we do need to fix the gettext expat? depends though 10:19 < RangerRick> pogma: not really 10:19 < pogma> it remains essential and still gets built during bootstrap 10:26 -!- neo [~neo@endor.ordrejedis.net] has left #fink [] 10:28 < cirdan> anyone here feel like doing me a favor and testing something? 10:28 < cirdan> also, does anyone here ever use omniweb on 10.4? 10:30 -!- RLD_osx [~rldempse@24-178-204-108.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:32 < vasi> pogma, i think the system's tar is fine 10:33 < cirdan> vasi: do you have esd insalled? 10:33 < vasi> esound? i think so...one sec 10:33 < vasi> yup 10:33 < cirdan> can you test omething? 10:34 < cirdan> can you use esdplay to play a bunch of wav files in /sw/share/sounds? 10:34 < vasi> sure, hold on 10:34 -!- mike-_- [~no@alesund-dhcp-242-6.bluecom.no] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:34 < cirdan> after a few sounds my esd process hangs in a semaphore_wait_signal_trap :-( 10:34 < cirdan> and apple can 10:34 < vasi> uh, how much is a bunch? 10:34 < cirdan> 't reproduce it 10:35 < cirdan> well, it happened on the 3rd sound for me 10:35 < cirdan> the KDE* files are short 10:35 < vasi> emm, well i'm just doing for i in /sw/share/sounds/*.wav; do echo $i; esdplay $i; done 10:35 -!- mike-_- [~no@alesund-dhcp-242-6.bluecom.no] has joined #fink 10:35 < vasi> it stops after 25 or so? 10:36 < cirdan> huh/ 10:36 < mike-_-> damn, the 0.7.2 didn't help eirher 10:36 < vasi> our esound <=> CoreAudio system sucks, it needs a rewrite or something 10:36 < cirdan> my esdplay hangs after playing a few wavfiles 10:36 < cirdan> vasi: i know, but apple can't reproduce the problem :-/ 10:37 < vasi> hmm, well mine finally hung after about 25 10:37 < vasi> i think it's actually esd that's hung, not esdplay 10:37 < cirdan> right 10:37 < cirdan> do ps x | grep esd 10:37 < cirdan> sample $PID 10 10:37 < cirdan> and look at the file 10:37 < cirdan> i bet it's hung in the same spot 10:38 < vasi> gdb says it's stuck in esd_audio_write, yah 10:38 < cirdan> I don't know if it's because it's a monio wav or what 10:38 < vasi> dunno! 10:38 < cirdan> vasi: yes, but sample digs to the bottom :-) 10:38 < vasi> gdb does too, but i really don't care about semaphore_wait_signal_trap, that's not very meaningful 10:39 < vasi> is esound even being maintained anymore? 10:40 < vasi> (i mean upstream-maintained) 10:40 < cirdan> i don't know 10:40 < cirdan> b ut i need it for certain things, like gaim sounds 10:43 < cirdan> looks like esound is about a yeal old 10:43 < cirdan> but that could be because it more or less works :-) 10:43 < mike-_-> hum, the cctools-525 is not part of the 10.3 that I shlould be using 10:49 < mike-_-> why would fink 0.7.2 even download it ? 10:49 -!- dreamind [~dreamind@C2107.campino.wh.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #fink 10:52 < pogma> mike-_-: cctools-525 is part of bootstrap on 10.3 10:53 < vasi> cirdan, feel free to rewrite the CoreAudio driver 10:53 < vasi> or find someone else who knows about these things, and bribe them to rewrite it :-) 10:53 < cirdan> :-) 10:54 < cirdan> rudy!! get in here! 11:01 -!- mbroeken [~broeken@hst32165.phys.uu.nl] has quit [] 11:02 -!- rhinovirus [~rhinoviru@host217-43-192-73.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has joined #fink 11:04 -!- jtyler [~jtyler@iphost-64-56-130-194.edm.wiband.net] has joined #fink 11:07 < pogma> okay, HEAD/10.4-transitional bootstraps 11:07 < pogma> look at branches tomorrow 11:07 < pogma> 'night 11:07 -!- zizban [~zizban@24-52-0-219.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] has joined #fink 11:09 < mike-_-> pogma, i see that now 11:09 < mike-_-> it seem so trip ove RC_OS = macos 11:09 < mike-_-> over* 11:09 < pogma> mike-_-: you still on darwin-7.0.1? 11:10 < mike-_-> yes ... 11:10 -!- BleedAway [~stickman@saus04.usc.es] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:10 < mike-_-> trying to get 7.2 opendarwin down, but that might not be untill later 11:10 < pogma> what's /bin/sh --version ? 11:10 < mike-_-> 2 sec 11:10 -!- shres [~shreyas@202.144.86.147] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 11:12 < mike-_-> pogma, 2.05b(1) and for powerpc it says 11:13 < pogma> yeah, apple builds fat targets on powerpc hosts 11:13 < pogma> I'm out of idea's mike-_-, off to bed, sorry 11:13 < mike-_-> np, i'll try the open 7.2 11:14 < mike-_-> g'night :) 11:14 < mike-_-> thanks for all the help 11:20 -!- bertrand_ [~bertrand@door.linkeo.com] has joined #fink 11:26 -!- asari [~asari@p2003-ipbf705marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has quit ["Quitting!"] 11:32 -!- dmacks [~dmacks@netspace.org] has joined #fink 11:33 < dmacks> pogma: ConfigureParams supports conditionals...no need for fancy shell case() and $params in CompileScript. 11:34 < dmacks> pogma: You *may* have to BuildDepends:fink(>=0.24) Can't remember when we implemented that. 11:35 < dmacks> (oops...well "dream about %c, man") 11:35 < vasi> dmacks, any idea how the newish "split shared libraries" works? 11:36 < dmacks> What is it? 11:36 < vasi> it appears to be the 10.4 solution to prebinding, but i don't remember seeing anything about it 11:37 < vasi> all those messages: ld: warning -prebind ignored because MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET environment variable greater or equal to 10.4 11:38 < vasi> i think that's where they're from ...not sure though 11:39 < dmacks> I still don't understand:( 11:40 < dmacks> Neither the situation from fink's nor the compiler's perspective, nor why you're asking someone other than RangerRick about fink's prebinding games. 11:41 < vasi> heh 11:41 < RangerRick> my prebinding games just force prebinding when possible, and then run update-prebiding with a hand-generated list later 11:41 < RangerRick> I don't know the mechanics of prebinding to know anything more than that :) 11:41 < vasi> apparently prebinding isn't NEEDED or USED anymore in Tiger though 11:41 < vasi> at least that's what i seem to understand 11:42 < vasi> er, at least it's not used if MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET is set to 10.4, which it usually is 11:42 < RangerRick> yeah 11:42 < RangerRick> it's supposed to be disabled in the 10.4 tree(s) but I don't know how well/if it's working 11:43 < vasi> well it's "disabled" in the sense that ld seems to ignore LD_PREBIND 11:43 < RangerRick> I mean in fink 11:43 < RangerRick> if ($version ge "10.4") or whatever 11:43 < cirdan> i dunno if -transi matches the fink code though 11:44 -!- bertrand_ [~bertrand@door.linkeo.com] has left #fink [] 11:44 < RangerRick> I seem to recall testing it 11:45 < vasi> sure 11:46 < vasi> i'm just trying to explain all our library policies to the Allegro folks, yeesh it ain't easy 11:46 < dmacks> fink-0.24.7 does not do prebinding if distribution ge 10.4 11:49 < dmacks> Although I think set SetLD_PREBIND:0 does *not* work...gotta NoSetLD_PREBIND 11:49 < RangerRick> yeah, it probably needs to be unset 11:51 -!- dmacks is now known as dmacks_away 11:52 -!- Fang [~Fang@2002:53cd:a0a0:1:0:0:0:1] has quit ["Honni soit la vache qui rit."] 11:52 < vasi> ah ok, that's the problem 12:03 -!- Feanor [~astrange@feanor.developer.opendarwin] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:11 -!- vasi [~vasi@modemcable214.145-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [] 12:17 -!- zizban [~zizban@24-52-0-219.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:24 -!- zizban [~chris@24-52-0-219.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] has joined #fink 12:26 < RangerRick> anyone know how to reference the top of the project in xcode? 12:26 < RangerRick> ther'es a billion $(FOOROOT) variables 12:26 < RangerRick> and none of them seem to match up with "top of tree" 12:28 -!- zizban [~chris@24-52-0-219.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] has quit [Client Quit] 12:32 -!- linuxmaniac [~maniac@82.Red-81-36-252.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #fink 12:34 -!- linuxmaniac [~maniac@82.Red-81-36-252.pooles.rima-tde.net] has left #fink ["Leaving"] 12:36 -!- Murr [~neeri@A17-202-20-71.apple.com] has joined #fink 12:37 -!- zizban [~zizban@24-52-0-219.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] has joined #fink 13:17 -!- dk0r [~dk0r@cpe-24-194-171-176.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:30 -!- ringerc [~craig@dsl-202-72-144-62.wa.westnet.com.au] has quit ["zzzz"] 13:41 -!- axeljaeger_ [~axeljaege@131.128.105.144] has quit ["Leaving"] 13:58 -!- RLD_osx [~rldempse@24-178-204-108.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com] has joined #fink 14:03 -!- joshmoz [~joshmoz@covad-mozilla.meer.net] has joined #fink 14:15 < dmacks_away> RangerRick: fltk-x11 is updated. Can't remember why you wanted it. 14:20 -!- BleedAway [whocares@saus04.usc.es] has joined #fink 14:21 < RangerRick> dmacks_away: I can't either 14:27 -!- xhrl [~ThomasW@24.80.39.250] has joined #fink 14:27 -!- xhrl [~ThomasW@24.80.39.250] has quit [Client Quit] 14:33 -!- The_Tick [headliner3@the-tick.growl] has left #fink [] 14:34 -!- broeken [~broeken@5353014C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #fink 14:43 -!- Xira [~Nicholas@c-24-10-51-201.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #fink 14:43 < Xira> hi 14:43 < Xira> i've installed irssi on fink 14:43 < Xira> but page up doesn't scroll up like it should, it just goes to the top of the chat 14:45 < Xira> anyone? 14:51 -!- newmanbe [~newmanbe@c38326e3aef313fa.session.tor] has joined #fink 14:52 < RangerRick> Xira: I think you need to configure your terminal to send a different control character, but I don't recall what 14:56 -!- Albie [~ambs@bl5-160-144.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #fink 15:00 -!- Albie [~ambs@bl5-160-144.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Client Quit] 15:01 -!- broeken [~broeken@5353014C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [] 15:07 -!- dmalloc [~mule@chello080108111128.5.11.univie.teleweb.at] has joined #fink 15:12 < Xira> RangerRick: k >.< 15:20 -!- Albie [~ambs@bl5-160-144.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #fink 15:40 -!- linuxmaniac [~maniac@82.Red-81-36-252.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #fink 15:43 -!- sid77 [~sid77@ppp-101-137.30-151.libero.it] has joined #fink 15:44 < sid77> hello 15:44 < newmanbe> Hello. 15:45 < sid77> newbie question: it [is | will be] possible to upgrade fink 0.7.2 to 0.8.0 on panther? 15:46 < newmanbe> No. 15:46 < sid77> mmmh interesting... why? 15:46 < newmanbe> The .8. refers to the version of Darwin 15:47 < sid77> aaaah that's explain _LOT_ of things ;-) 15:48 < sid77> ok, so another newbie question: which is te stable tree packages update policy? 15:49 < newmanbe> A package is added to stable when a core members adds it. 15:49 < sid77> wow 15:50 < newmanbe> Which is usually faster if you tell the maintainer that a package in unstable works. 15:50 < RangerRick> not necessarily 15:50 < newmanbe> Not necessarily? 15:50 < RangerRick> or when the maintainer asks the core member to update it 15:50 < newmanbe> I was getting to that. 15:50 < sid77> interesting 15:56 < dmalloc> RangerRick: who can give me upload for the files section on sf? I need to update bzip2 16:07 -!- Albie [~ambs@bl5-160-144.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:10 -!- JesseW [~chatzilla@JesseW.student.supporter.pdpc] has joined #fink 16:11 -!- crhalpin [~crhalpin@adsl-68-78-232-23.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has joined #fink 16:11 -!- crhalpin [~crhalpin@adsl-68-78-232-23.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has quit [Client Quit] 16:13 -!- kalessin [~crhalpin@adsl-68-78-232-23.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has joined #fink 16:22 -!- dmalloc [~mule@chello080108111128.5.11.univie.teleweb.at] has left #fink ["Ten`Yuushinjo"] 16:39 -!- sid77 [~sid77@ppp-101-137.30-151.libero.it] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:45 -!- JesseW [~chatzilla@JesseW.student.supporter.pdpc] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.68a [Firefox 1.0.4/20050511]"] 16:48 -!- rhinovirus [~rhinoviru@host217-43-192-73.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has quit ["Get MacIrssi - http://www.g1m0.se/macirssi/"] 16:49 -!- linuxmaniac [~maniac@82.Red-81-36-252.pooles.rima-tde.net] has left #fink ["Leaving"] 16:53 -!- MacinMan [~tron@163.101.207.68.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #fink 16:53 -!- MacinMan [~tron@163.101.207.68.cfl.res.rr.com] has left #fink [] 16:54 -!- dk0r [~dk0r@cpe-24-194-171-176.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #fink 16:56 -!- zizban [~zizban@24-52-0-219.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:08 -!- zizban [~chris@24-52-0-219.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] has joined #fink 17:16 -!- z|bandito [~z@cpe-66-8-245-189.hawaii.res.rr.com] has joined #fink 17:20 -!- Xira [~Nicholas@c-24-10-51-201.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 17:30 -!- msachs [~msachs@17.255.96.116] has joined #fink 18:02 -!- zizban [~chris@24-52-0-219.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 18:09 -!- JesseW [~chatzilla@JesseW.student.supporter.pdpc] has joined #fink 18:10 < mike-_-> there is no second terminal and so forth on darwin? 18:11 < newmanbe> I don't think so. 18:11 < newmanbe> Why are you using Darwin anyway? 18:11 < mike-_-> i want to =) 18:14 < dmacks_away> What are (okay were) your plans for the second terminal? 18:14 -!- dmacks_away is now known as dmacks 18:16 < mike-_-> hee, some work while working? and trying to trick fink with replacing one browken (on my system does not work, a certen cctools-525) with a newer cctools-576.2 18:19 < dmacks> Can you use 'screen' (or even emacs' shell-mode)? 18:20 < dmacks> Or fire up x11 and open a bunch of xterms. 18:21 < mike-_-> yes, i like pico btw, and i have not come that far, truble bootstraping fink on darwin701 18:21 -!- dreamind [~dreamind@C2107.campino.wh.tu-darmstadt.de] has quit [] 18:23 < dmacks> I think screen is fairly trivial to compile manually, no external dependencies. Though I have not tried it on a pure darwin machine. 18:23 -!- eno-away is now known as eno 18:29 < mike-_-> hmm 18:47 -!- z|bandito [~z@cpe-66-8-245-189.hawaii.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 18:48 < dk0r> When theres an application made for linux, and I want to use it on my mac, what do i ask ? Has this app been ported to unix? 18:48 < newmanbe> !pdb 18:48 < dk0r> Im trying to get familiar with terminology 18:48 < newmanbe> Melian: pdb 18:48 < dmacks> newmanbe: Melian's *still* hosed. 18:48 < newmanbe> dk0r: Chances are it will compile without changing anything. 18:49 < newmanbe> By the way, Mac OS X isn't UNIX. 18:49 < dk0r> its not? 18:49 < newmanbe> No. 18:49 < dk0r> then.. its built off linux? 18:49 < dmacks> And OS X is even less linux than it is Unix. 18:49 < newmanbe> No 18:51 < dk0r> why the name similiarities? 18:51 < dk0r> linux vs unix ? 18:51 < dmacks> They're all *similar* from a user perspective. 18:51 < kalessin> dk0r Because Linus Torvalds was making a joke when he named his OS. It's a pun. 18:51 < kalessin> dk0r Software people are very punny. 18:51 < dk0r> so unix was 1st 18:52 < dk0r> then came linux 18:52 < newmanbe> Yes. 18:52 < dmacks> Multics was in there somewher. 18:52 < dmacks> And Xenix. 18:52 < dk0r> ok so let me ask this 18:52 < kalessin> Multics was what K&R worked on before unix. 18:52 < dk0r> instead of telling fink to install a package 18:52 < dk0r> which automaticallty downloads it 18:52 < kalessin> and xenix was MS's licensed version of AT&T UNIX. IIRC. 18:53 < dk0r> how do i tell fink to install an app from a directory ? 18:53 < dmacks> kalessin: Yes, I believe that's correct. 18:53 < newmanbe> dpkg --install /path/to/package.deb 18:53 * kalessin had a xenix box once. It was older than me and needed more desk space. 18:53 < dk0r> whgats dpkg mean? 18:53 < dmacks> fink is just a tool that automates useing someone-else's-instructions to compile something. 18:54 < dmacks> It's not an OS component, nor a compiler itself, nor anything more than that. 18:54 < dk0r> not its not TRULY compiling something 18:54 < dmacks> Correct. 18:54 < dk0r> cause its automating commands 18:55 < dk0r> what does dpkg stand for 18:55 < newmanbe> Debian PacKaGe 18:55 < kalessin> dk0r Debian package. It's a tool borrowed from the debian linux distribution. 18:55 < dmacks> Someone figured out 'to compile a certain program, you type this and this and this", and then uploaded a script that does those actions. Then fink downloads those instructions and follows them to compile that program. 18:56 < dk0r> how do i uninstall a package that fink downloaded 18:56 < dmacks> But it's identical (in effect) as if you manually types those commands. 18:56 < dk0r> yes 18:56 < newmanbe> dk0r: Did you read Fink's man page. 18:56 < dk0r> but your not trully compiling 18:56 < newmanbe> s/./? 18:56 < dmacks> Right. The compiler is compiling. 18:56 < dmacks> You're telling fink to tell the compiler to compile. 18:56 < dk0r> ya 18:57 < dmacks> According to the fink manpage (did you read it?) 'fink remove' and 'fink purge' are opposites of 'fink install'. 18:57 < dk0r> dmack , someone tried showing me before but it didnt work 18:57 < dk0r> how do i: 18:57 < dk0r> ( no i didnt, I will after asking this q) 18:58 < dk0r> I use ethereal alot, and everytime i start xterm i have to type sudo -s 18:58 < dk0r> and . /sw/bin/init.sh 18:58 -!- jtyler [~jtyler@iphost-64-56-130-194.edm.wiband.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 18:58 < dk0r> how do i tell xterm to automatically input those commands while app starts? 18:59 < newmanbe> You would use .xinitrc (like I told you before). 18:59 < newmanbe> It is in the documentation for X11. 18:59 < newmanbe> Melian: Work! 18:59 < newmanbe> Now! 18:59 < dmacks> cirdan: Make Melian work! 19:00 < newmanbe> cirdan: Or make Melian self-repairing. 19:00 < dk0r> where do i find documentation? 19:00 < dk0r> eh. nm. googles 19:00 < newmanbe> http://www.finkproject.org/ 19:00 < dmacks> newmanbe: ...an answer that is also in the fink manpage:) 19:01 < dmacks> ...twice. 19:02 < dk0r> wheres home directory? 19:02 < newmanbe> ~/ 19:02 < dk0r> http://www.finkproject.org/doc/x11/run-xfree86.php?phpLang=en#xinitrc 19:02 < newmanbe> Probably /Users/dk0r/ 19:03 < dk0r> i dont see private there either 19:03 < dk0r> am i being stupid or..? 19:03 < newmanbe> Private what? 19:03 < dmacks> dk0r: Why would you expect to see private there. What exactly does that even mean? 19:03 < dk0r> :) 19:04 < dk0r> so what should i do? root in x11? and direct to that dir? 19:05 -!- mike-_- [~no@alesund-dhcp-242-6.bluecom.no] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:06 -!- kane_ [~kane@perl.xs4all.nl] has quit [] 19:06 < dmacks> Nobody even knows what you're *trying* to do. 19:07 < dk0r> to run a program or install via x11, i have to login as root (which x11 does not startup as) and then type . /sw/bin/init.sh 19:07 < dk0r> if i dont enter the above commands, i get "command not found" 19:08 < dk0r> regardless of what im trying to do 19:08 < dmacks> You cannot easily make x11 automatically give you a root shell. 19:08 < dk0r> i want those 2 entried to be automatic 19:08 < dk0r> hrm 19:08 < dmacks> newmanbe has (apparently twice) told you where to get instructions on how to get the init.sh handled automatically. 19:08 < dk0r> and im there 19:08 < dk0r> but i cant find .xinitrc 19:09 < dk0r> its not in home, and i cant see private 19:09 < dmacks> So create it. 19:09 * dk0r shrugs 19:09 < dmacks> How are you looking for private? 19:09 < dk0r> When there is no .xinitrc file in your home directory, X11 will use its default file, /private/etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc. You can use the default file as a starting point for your own .xinitrc: 19:09 < dk0r> using finder. not using root in x11 19:10 < dmacks> The finder hides many importnat pieces of the OS from you. 19:10 < dk0r> agreed 19:10 < dmacks> So did you do exactly what the line following what you quoted says to do? 19:11 < dk0r> its not in my home dir 19:12 < dmacks> Does "The finder hides many importnat pieces of the OS from you." cover this situation also? 19:12 < dk0r> yes 19:12 < dk0r> which is why im asking 19:12 < dk0r> idk what do 19:13 < dk0r> i cant *see* it in m home dir 19:13 < dk0r> my * 19:13 < dmacks> 'ls -A' 19:13 < dk0r> doesnt show 19:13 < dk0r> whats the -A do again? 19:13 < dmacks> What's the manpage for 'ls' say? 19:13 < dk0r> damn memory, forget cli tut 19:14 < dk0r> dk0r-corps-powerbook-g4-17:~ root# ls -a 19:14 < dk0r> . .fonts.cache-1 IA_Installers 19:14 < dk0r> .. .lpoptions IRC logs 19:14 < dk0r> .CFUserTextEncoding .nessusrc Library 19:14 < dk0r> .DS_Store .profile Movies 19:14 < dk0r> .Trash .profile.save Music 19:14 < dk0r> .Xauthority Applications Pictures 19:14 < dk0r> .bash_history Desktop Public 19:14 -!- xhrl [~ThomasW@24.80.39.250] has joined #fink 19:14 < dk0r> .ethereal Documents Sites 19:14 < dmacks> You didn't do that 'cp' command, did you? 19:14 < dk0r> no sir 19:14 < dmacks> Well. Why. Not??? 19:15 < dk0r> dk0r-corps-powerbook-g4-17:~ root# cp 19:15 < dk0r> usage: cp [-R [-H | -L | -P]] [-f | -i | -n] [-pv] src target 19:15 < dk0r> cp [-R [-H | -L | -P]] [-f | -i | -n] [-pv] src1 ... srcN directory 19:15 < dk0r> dk0r-corps-powerbook-g4-17:~ root# ls -a 19:15 < dk0r> . .fonts.cache-1 IA_Installers 19:15 < dk0r> .. .lpoptions IRC logs 19:15 < dk0r> .CFUserTextEncoding .nessusrc Library 19:15 < dk0r> .DS_Store .profile Movies 19:15 < dk0r> .Trash .profile.save Music 19:15 < dk0r> .Xauthority Applications Pictures 19:15 < dk0r> .bash_history Desktop Public 19:15 < dk0r> .ethereal Documents Sites 19:16 < pogma> thanks 19:16 < dmacks> 1) Did you read the instructions on the exact cp command I was talking about? In the doc that you cut'n'pasted here? 19:16 < dmacks> 2) If you cut'n'paste a huge terminal chunk again, you will be kicked. 19:18 < pogma> dmacks: hey! I couldn't figure out the syntax of doing a conditional with %m in ConfigureParams, so went with the long boring way. Feel free to fix 19:18 < dmacks> pogma: Okay:) 19:19 < dmacks> Should be same as usual...a parenthesized expression applies to the next word on the line. 19:19 < dk0r> Did this -> "cp /private/etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc ~/.xinitrc" Then did this -> 19:20 < dk0r> "ls-a" 19:20 < dk0r> ls -a 19:20 -!- xhrl [~ThomasW@24.80.39.250] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:20 < dk0r> still no .xinitrc in home 19:21 -!- JesseW [~chatzilla@JesseW.student.supporter.pdpc] has left #fink [] 19:22 < pogma> dmacks: the docs show testing a boolean value, I couldn't find anything (in the short time I looked) doing a comparison 19:22 < dmacks> dk0r: How 'bout "ls -a ~"? Feel free to lisppaste the output. 19:22 < pogma> dmacks: or I was on drugs and didn't notice, one or the other 19:22 < newmanbe> lisppaste: url? 19:22 < lisppaste> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink and enter your paste. 19:23 < dmacks> pogma: pogma Check the Depends field doc. 19:23 < newmanbe> Hello! You're only supposed to be using Cox-2 inhibitors for ten days! 19:23 < newmanbe> !lart stupid people 19:23 * Melian beats stupid people severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken 19:25 < pogma> dmacks: Ah! The Type field 19:25 < pogma> dmacks: Okay, I was blind, sorry 19:25 < dmacks> np:) 19:26 < dmacks> I don't think anyone's ever used conditionals for anything except Type and maybe %n before. 19:27 < dmacks> (since i all other cases, the values don't vary, so the logical result is already known). Except now for %m 19:28 < dmacks> newmanbe: Biochemists have the funniest names for things:) 19:32 < dk0r> dmack: had to restart x11. did "sudo -s" Then did "cp /private/etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc ~/.xinitrc" Then "ls -a ~" & nothing happened. 19:33 < dmacks> You have something very deeply wrong then, sounds like. 19:34 < lisppaste> dk0r pasted "?" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9664 19:35 < dmacks> I'm not disbelievin', I'm just sayin'. 19:35 < newmanbe> That is root's folder. 19:36 < dmacks> -a should at least show . and .. still. 19:36 * newmanbe 's root folder is not empty. 19:36 < dmacks> Mine neither. 19:36 < dk0r> ls -a worked 19:36 < dk0r> ls -a ~ does not work 19:38 * dmacks observes that it's a good idea to not do anything under 'sudo' unless you know you need to be sudo'ed to do it. 19:38 < dk0r> so.. 19:38 < dk0r> ? 19:38 < dk0r> have to reinstall? 19:38 * dmacks is out of time to deal with this. 19:39 < dk0r> k 19:39 < dk0r> so wait for more help another time, or will reinstall the apps fix this? 19:39 -!- slyrus [~slyrus@flypaper.BDGP.Berkeley.EDU] has joined #fink 19:40 < newmanbe> !lart stupid people for getting rid of their Gopher servers 19:40 * Melian executes killall -TERM stupid people for getting rid of their Gopher servers 19:40 < dmacks> heh 19:40 < dmacks> (at least lart still works) 19:41 < dmacks> Is anyone able to find a tcpreplay source with matching MD5? 19:41 < slyrus> anyone know the status of ghc/darcs for fink on tiger? 19:42 < dmacks> slyrus: Last I heard the ghc maintainer gave up on upgrading it, but someone else was thinking of picking it up. 19:42 < slyrus> rotting on the vine eh? bummer... 19:42 < dmacks> (At least I think I'm thinking of ghc:) IIRC, its build system is a giant mess. 19:42 < slyrus> sounds about right 19:42 < dmacks> giant Giant GIANT mess. 19:47 < dmacks> slyrus: There was a discussion about ghc on -devel starting june 26. 19:50 < slyrus> ok. going with the binary in the meantime. thanks. 19:56 < dmacks> Clef: Any objection if I variant-ify gnome-python2-pyXX so we can have -py24? 19:58 -!- xhrl [~ThomasW@24.80.39.250] has joined #fink 20:07 -!- akh [~akhansen@68-118-244-23.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #fink 20:10 -!- kalessin [~crhalpin@adsl-68-78-232-23.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has quit ["."] 20:12 < akh> mmm...8c44 20:13 < newmanbe> Hmm? 20:13 < akh> 10.4.2 seed 20:13 < newmanbe> !nda 20:13 < newmanbe> :-p 20:13 < akh> heh 20:14 * akh was commenting on its existence, not anything about its contents. ;-) 20:14 < akh> I've got 20+ minutes until I can find _that_ stuff out. 20:18 < dmacks> Lemme guess "areas of testing: everything; eta to public release: soon" 20:18 -!- slyrus [~slyrus@flypaper.BDGP.Berkeley.EDU] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:18 < akh> I'll check the Seed Note 20:20 < cirdan> hola 20:20 < akh> "- Fixed all problems pointed out by the Fink project." 20:20 < cirdan> haha 20:21 < dmacks> ha! 20:21 < akh> That'd be the day. ;-) 20:21 < cirdan> yeah, we need just a few more apple engineers to get a seed note like that :-) 20:21 < newmanbe> cirdan: Fix Melian. 20:21 < cirdan> Melian: lart newmanbe 20:21 * Melian takes out a seltzer bottle and sprays newmanbe in the face. You know, one of those old-school seltzer bottles clowns have? Yeah those. Anyway, consider yourself spritzed 20:21 < cirdan> fixed 20:21 < cirdan> :-p 20:21 < akh> heh 20:21 < newmanbe> That is about all that works. 20:21 < dmacks> Not spritzed. He said "fixed". 20:22 -!- Melian [~blootbot@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has quit ["adios amigos"] 20:22 -!- Melian [~blootbot@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #fink 20:23 < cirdan> Melian: dmacks? 20:23 < Melian> cirdan: are you using Windows? 20:23 < dmacks> !unstable 20:23 < cirdan> Melian: unstable 20:23 < dmacks> Yes, yes she is:( 20:23 < newmanbe> Told ya'. 20:23 < cirdan> Melian: unstable 20:23 < Melian> cirdan: I give up, what is it? 20:24 -!- Melian [~blootbot@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:24 < dmacks> I'd complain that she's ignoring ! prompts, but it doesn't really matter if she's got no brane either. 20:24 < cirdan> heh 20:24 -!- Melian [~blootbot@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #fink 20:25 < newmanbe> !unstable 20:25 < newmanbe> !ga asdf 20:25 < dmacks> Melian: gcc3.3 20:25 < dmacks> Melian: gcc3.1 20:25 < dmacks> !cluebat 20:25 < akh> Melian: $25 20:26 < cirdan> wtf... 20:27 < dmacks> Strange things are afoot at the circle K. 20:27 < dmacks> Okay, NJ. 20:27 < cirdan> Melian: unstable is stable 20:27 < Melian> ...but unstable is already something else... 20:27 < dmacks> Okay, traffic circle. 20:27 < cirdan> Melian: literal unstable 20:27 < Melian> cirdan: are you using Windows? 20:28 < dmacks> She can access her keys and values, but can't associate them. 20:28 < cirdan> right 20:28 < cirdan> !lart cvs code 20:28 * Melian gives cvs code a "free" copy of Windows and then charges double for "Upgrades" 20:28 < cirdan> i'll bug the author... 20:28 < cirdan> he's afk though 20:30 < newmanbe> And tell him to make it work with Jabber. 20:30 < dmacks> WTF? I install Win2K Updater says there's a new HP drivers update, I install it, still says there's a new one available. 20:31 -!- MacinMan [~tron@163.101.207.68.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #fink 20:31 < newmanbe> And why are you using the Win2K updater? 20:32 < dmacks> To update my Win2K machine. 20:32 < newmanbe> And why do you have a Win2K machine? 20:33 < dmacks> Because it came free with some Windows-only proprietary software I use. 20:33 < newmanbe> !lart dmacks for using Microsoft Windows 20:33 * Melian pours hot grits down the front of dmacks's pants for using Microsoft Windows 20:34 < dmacks> "Free" is cheaper than VirtualPC plus whatever hardware I'd need to get a serial port. 20:34 < akh> And not as wicked slow. 20:35 < dmacks> Ayup. It's for real-time instrument control and data acquisition. 20:37 < akh> The group I worked for as a grad student used a Mac (I think old PPC) with VPC (probably version 3 or 4) to control a residual gas anlyzer. 20:37 < akh> Of course this was before the age of the $500 PC bundle. 20:38 < dmacks> Except for instrument controllers and one other "we need a certain proprietary program" system, we're fully Mac+SGI here, and those SGI are getting replaced with linux soon. 20:39 < newmanbe> GNU+Linux! 20:39 < akh> Our experimental head hates, hates, hates Windows, but we have 4 windows boxes in our control room and one Linux box. 20:39 < akh> No Macs yet--we're going to get an iMac. 20:40 < akh> Unfortunately, we've got PLCs that have to be controlled via WIndows software. 20:41 < newmanbe> ReactOS! 20:42 < cirdan> akh: get some grad students to write some driver apps :-) 20:43 < akh> cirdan: We're lucky if we can get our graduate students to do _anything_. 20:43 < akh> Back in my day... 20:43 < akh> (long rambling rant) 20:43 < cirdan> hehe 20:43 < newmanbe> !comfort akh 20:43 < newmanbe> That doesn't even work! 20:43 < akh> Undergrads, on the other hand, work out fine. 20:43 < akh> We lost our undergrad PLC guy when he graduated. 20:44 < cirdan> chain them to the computer and put the food on the machine that they need to write sw for :-) 20:44 < cirdan> aww 20:44 < akh> It's probably some union violation. 20:44 < cirdan> akh: yeah, undergrads will whore themselves out to get a degree :-) 20:44 < akh> Yup. 20:44 < akh> And they're paid by the hour, too, rather than being on a stipend. 20:44 < cirdan> ah 20:46 < newmanbe> akh: Make them do it as a homework assignment. 20:46 < akh> Sounds good. 20:47 * akh wonders if there's a hack out to kill Safari's "may contain an application" nanny-mode crap. 20:49 < akh> "OMG, this might contain an application. You could poke an eye out." 20:50 < newmanbe> Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack Two apparently is even more in your face. 20:51 < akh> Yah 20:51 < akh> OTOH, this was a .dmg from Apple. 20:53 < akh> Have they no hooks to their own browser? 20:53 * akh gets overdramatic 20:54 * newmanbe goes to see if he even has Safari installed. 20:54 < newmanbe> Nope. 20:58 < akh> Could be worse, I guess. There could be a warning when you install stuff via Software Update. 20:59 < akh> "We can't trust our server to provide these security updates without them being compromised." 21:00 < akh> grr...stupid postgresql build failure. 21:01 < dmacks> akh: Yeah, like MS's own shiat doesn't compromise your system. 21:01 < akh> yup. 21:03 < akh> Too bad we won't see (legitimate) OSX for non-Apple x86 boxes. 21:04 < dmacks> heh...we have a few PowerComputing boxes here. 21:04 < akh> What do they think they are, a hardware company? ;-) 21:04 * akh used a PPC clone at one point--it seemed flaky compared to the real Apples. 21:04 < dmacks> "About: SSXML [...] is designed to have few features. Release focus: Major feature enhancements" 21:05 < dmacks> Nope, no feeping creaturism there. 21:05 < akh> hehe 21:09 < akh> Or maybe there are vast improvements in the few features with each release. 21:14 < cirdan> heh 21:16 < dmacks> "ChangeLog: main.c: Fixed spelling of 'hello world'" 21:16 < cirdan> :-) 21:16 < cirdan> been programming again dmacks? 21:17 < dmacks> :p 21:19 < akh> hehe 21:19 -!- dk0r [~dk0r@cpe-24-194-171-176.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [] 21:21 -!- zizban [~chris@24-52-0-219.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] has joined #fink 21:22 -!- dk0r [~dk0r@cpe-24-194-171-176.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #fink 21:23 -!- zizban [~chris@24-52-0-219.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:34 -!- akh [~akhansen@68-118-244-23.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:36 -!- MacinMan [~tron@163.101.207.68.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit ["bbl"] 21:37 < Clef> dmacks: variantize away, feel free to update my pkgs if needed. 21:44 < dmacks> 'k. 21:48 -!- dmacks [~dmacks@dmacks.active.supporter.pdpc] has quit ["leaving"] 21:53 -!- zizban [~chris@24-52-0-219.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] has joined #fink 22:13 -!- msachs [~msachs@17.255.96.116] has quit [] 22:22 -!- dk0r [~dk0r@cpe-24-194-171-176.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [] 22:25 -!- dk0r [~dk0r@cpe-24-194-171-176.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #fink 22:46 -!- zizban [~chris@24-52-0-219.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:01 -!- xhrl [~ThomasW@24.80.39.250] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:11 -!- newmanbe [~newmanbe@c38326e3aef313fa.session.tor] has quit ["This setback in computing brought to you by SCO Group."] 23:39 -!- dmacks [~dmacks@203-137.dialup.cloud9.net] has joined #fink 23:58 < dmacks> Clef: pyorbit2-py24 is in. Has some binary weirdness (perpetuated from upstream...shame its build system sucks rocks and upstream seems fairly clue-resistant in that regard:( 23:58 -!- msachs [~msachs@c-67-170-224-126.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #fink --- Log closed Wed Jul 06 00:00:32 2005