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00:40 < dmacks> Anyone have the Tiger prototype for getpeername() ?
00:58 < htodd> man getpeername?
00:59 < dmacks> Macks-Factor % uname -r
00:59 < dmacks> 7.9.0
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01:10 < htodd>  int
01:10 < htodd>      getpeername(int s, struct sockaddr *name, socklen_t *namelen);
01:10 < htodd>  int
01:10 < htodd>      getpeername(int s, struct sockaddr *name, socklen_t *namelen);
01:10 < htodd> oops
01:11 < dmacks> Thanks^2 :)
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07:36 < vasi> anybody know of a good way to diff two directories that may contain libs or other binary files?
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08:38 < muesli> hey, what's the best way to paste stuff between mac and x11 apps?
08:38 < muesli> or actually, the only way? ;-)
08:38 < muesli> RangerRick: you there?
08:39 < akh> autocutsel 
08:39 < akh> (there's also xcutsel, but it's not automatic)
08:40 < akh> And Apple's X11 does have _some_ ability to bridge the two worlds.
08:46 < muesli> akh: where / what is autocutsel?
08:47 < akh> It's a Fink package.
09:02 < muesli> arg
09:02 < muesli> :-)
09:02 < muesli> thanks
09:04 < cirdan> morning
09:07 < akh> morning
09:09 < muesli> akh: ok, got it and it's running. how is it supposed to work?
09:14 < akh> Basically you select and copy in one X11 or Aqua as you normally would and then paste in the other environment as you would normally do it there--e.g. Command-C to copy selected text from Aqua and the middle mouse button to paste it in an xterm, say.
09:15 < muesli> ah
09:15 < muesli> ok, will try again
09:16 < muesli> hm
09:16 < muesli> if i dont have a middle mouse button?
09:16 < muesli> ctrl+v doesn't seem to work
09:17 < cirdan> miwhat x11 are u using?
09:18 < cirdan> x11.app, or xdarwin?
09:19 < akh> Option+click does it in the former case, and in the latter you can pick your own modifier sequence.
09:19 < muesli> x11.app
09:20 < akh> Option-click then
09:20 < akh> hmmm...what happened to all of my KDE fonts?
09:20 < akh> (like anybody here can see them)
09:21 < RangerRick> muesli: am now
09:21 < RangerRick> akh: are they all boxes?
09:21 < akh> Sure are.
09:21 < RangerRick> akh: sudo fc-cache
09:21 < akh> can do
09:21 < cirdan> akh: sudo rm -rf /
09:21 < RangerRick> haha
09:21 < cirdan> :-)
09:21 < RangerRick> hey, that's my license plate!
09:21 < cirdan> that'll get rid of the boxes
09:22 < akh> RangerRick: You clearly live in the greatest state in the country.
09:22 < till> Has anyone any new on the bus error in the glib2 tests,it's blocking my amarok install and my wife is getting restless. ;)
09:22 < RangerRick> I saw a plate this morning: NULL!=0
09:22 < till> RangerRick: Haven't had a chance to test your qt fix yet, as that ^ is blocking it.
09:22 < RangerRick> http://ranger.befunk.com/gallery/licenseplate
09:23 < RangerRick> certainly the greatest state in the country for vanity plates  :)
09:23 < akh> Yup--good BBQ too, I've heard.
09:23 < RangerRick> all vanity plate money goes towards highway beautification too, so basically they vanity plates all buy the flowers and stuff planted along the side of the road
09:23 < RangerRick> kinda nice
09:23 < akh> Yeah
09:23 < till> muesli: 1:0 for you guys, bt, my wife preferes apple mail to kmail, but amarok to itunes. ;)
09:24 < muesli> till: yay!
09:24 < muesli> ;-)
09:24 < cirdan> till: heh
09:24 < till> Needless to say I filed for divorce.
09:24 < muesli> till: even though... i can't  see why people would prefer apple mail ;-)
09:24 < till> muesli: Me neither. :)
09:24 < RangerRick> mail.app needs 2 things before I'd use it
09:25 < cirdan> !lart libgtkhtml2-2.6.2-10
09:25  * Melian keeps mailing libgtkhtml2-2.6.2-10 free America Online CDs until he drowns
09:25 < RangerRick> keyboard shortcuts for everything (no "next unread"?!?)
09:25 < RangerRick> and stop scanning every friggin' imap folder, just the subscribed ones
09:25 < muesli> till: just tell her that you're fine with it, since you'd also prefer heidi klum over her ;-)
09:25 < cirdan> yeah, that ssucks
09:25 < muesli> till: prepare to run away, though
09:25 < akh> Yup.
09:25 < RangerRick> I opened a bug on both, back in the 10.1 days
09:26 < till> muesli: Actually, I don't. Heidi is much too skinny.
09:26 < till> muesli: and my wife is also blond, tall and has large tits.
09:26 < muesli> till: so she got more features than apple mail ;-)
09:27 < RangerRick> haha
09:27 < till> muesli: but no more features than KMail. ;)
09:27 < muesli> till: hehehehe
09:29 < till> muesli: did you manageto fink update-allrecently?
09:30 < muesli> till: yup, yesterday
09:30 < till> muesli: I'm getting a bug error in hte glib update, which according to some mailing lists, I"m not the only one with.
09:30 < muesli> till: what's the error?
09:30 < till> muesli: hold on, I'll show you the link
09:31 < till> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.os.apple.fink.general/18091
09:31 < till> That's exactly the problem I have.
09:31 < till> the build user is set to english, though.
09:31 < till> The main user is german.
09:31 < RangerRick> what happens if you run that test under gdb?
09:32 < muesli> hm, that looks weird
09:32 < muesli> bus error
09:33 < dmacks> Maybe we oughta just disable that test.
09:34 < dmacks> (I hate that kind of solution to test failures, tho)
09:37 < RangerRick> yeah
09:37 < till> It seems to be somehow locale related, but I have no inclination of tracking it down, to be honest.
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09:38 < cirdan> isn't the latest version patched to fix it?
09:38 < cirdan> or just in upstream cvs?
09:38 < akh> grrr:  "Cannot load default config file"
09:39 < dmacks> We're using the latest "even" (stable branch) %v; dunno what's happened in 2.7.x or CVS.
09:41 < akh> !lart fontconfig
09:41  * Melian pours hot grits down the front of fontconfig's pants
09:45 < RangerRick> we could try to backport from 2.7 if they really do have a fix
09:45 < dmacks> Does Tiger have /etc/fstab.hd ?
09:46 < dmacks> Sounds good to me.
09:46 < cirdan> _______ ___._._._
09:47 < dmacks> cirdan: Your morse code sucks.
09:47 < cirdan> /s_r__r 12_._._.1
09:48 < dmacks> I'd like to buy a vowel, Alex.
09:48 < cirdan> /ser_er 127._._.1
09:49 < dmacks> Is there a "v"?
09:49 < cirdan> no one has a guess? pathetic
09:49 < RangerRick> we're supposed to guess?
09:49 < RangerRick> :)
09:49 < RangerRick> no one said anything 'cause it was obvious, methinks
09:49 < cirdan> but they should have :-p
09:50 < dmacks> Was there a point to that excercise?
09:50 < cirdan> no
09:51 < cirdan> well, yes
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09:51 < cirdan> just seeing if anyone would type out the answer :-)
09:51 < akh> heh
09:51 < dmacks> ahhh:)
09:55 < vasi> argh, why can't apple and xorg cooperate and use the same libs?
09:55 < cirdan> hehe
09:56 < dmacks> s/xorg/*/ Shirley.
10:00 < akh> Damn.  Still can't figure out the fontconfig thing--I have /etc/fonts/fonts.conf and everything.
10:00 < akh> Unless that's not the "default file" that fc-cache is looking for.
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10:45 < Jerub> gettext in fink seems ancient
10:45 < Jerub> 0.10 in fink, I have 0.14.5 somewhere else
10:46 < dmacks> We renamed to libgetext3*
10:46 < pogma> Jerub: yeah, you might want to look more closely
10:46 < pogma> however it is only in unstable
10:47 < pogma> need to fix that one day
10:47 < Jerub> hm? oh, okay
10:47 < Jerub> the packages list on the website doesn't list the unstable version?
10:47 < cirdan> pogma: it's ready for stable :-)
10:47 < pogma> cirdan: no, it isn't
10:47 < dmacks> Jerub: False.
10:47 < pogma> cirdan: still missing a dependency, iirc
10:48 < cirdan> why not?
10:48 < cirdan> oh
10:48 < cirdan> have we decided what to do?
10:48 < Jerub> http://fink.sourceforge.net/pdb/package.php/gettext <- I don't see versions greater than 0.10 here...
10:48 < cirdan> drm ran into a problem where it didn't build against expat and it didn't wanna do something
10:48 < cirdan> Jerub: did you read what pogma said?
10:48 < cirdan> it changed named
10:48 < cirdan> names
10:48 < dmacks> package.php only looks for that exact package-name.
10:49 < Jerub> oh, okay.
10:49 < Jerub> sorry :)
10:50 < Jerub> so how do I install the newer version of gettext? what's its new name?
10:50 < dmacks> Did you read what I and pogma said?
10:51 < Jerub> yes, it's in unstable, ready for stable, not ready for stable, False, missing a dependancy, it doesn't build against expat, it changed names, and package.php only does exact matching.
10:51 < akh> dmacks: with correct spelling, of course.
10:51 < dmacks> akh: right:)
10:51 < Jerub> oh, and the line I missed, that it's renamed to libgettext3
10:52 < Jerub> which is confusing. I'm missing a binary called 'autopoint', which doesn't deserve to be in a lib* package...
10:52 < dmacks> It's not.
10:53 < dmacks> gettext-tools: /sw/bin/autopoint
10:53 < Jerub> ah, okay.
10:54 < dmacks> Searching for packages whose name *contains* gettext will find all the components that may contain stuff you need.
10:55 < Jerub> yeah, being on stable didn't help.
10:55 < Jerub> thanks for the help.
10:55 < dmacks> Yeah, stable's pretty stale sometimes:(
10:55 < pogma> cirdan: I don't want expat in bootstrap particularly
10:55 < Jerub> I was actually going to offer to maintain the package if it were orphaned. I was worried about it being rather outdated ;)
10:56 < pogma> cirdan: was there another option?
10:56 < cirdan> pogma: no
10:56 < cirdan> cause drm had a build failure using an xgettext that wasn't built against expat
10:56 < pogma> cirdan: okay, add the depends/builddepends to the unstable package
10:57 < cirdan> yup, i am now
10:57 < dmacks> Jerub: I think we have lots of other pretty-important but unmaintained-and-stale pkgs if you're interested. Not sure what else you use regularly.
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10:57 < pogma> cirdan: yes, it fails with some gnome thing
10:57 < Jerub> dmacks: Im actually only just starting to use fink. I'm attempting to set up some buildbots for the gstreamer project
10:57 < dmacks> Neat.
10:58 < pogma> name escapes me, sorry, I remember that it said something like "language not supported because I wasn't built with expat"
10:58 < cirdan> right
10:59 < pogma> cirdan: If nobody else has bothered coming up with a solution in the next month or so (me included) I will be forced to remove my objection to having expat in bootstrap and the shlibs essential
10:59 < pogma> okay?
11:00 < cirdan> doesn't need to be
11:00 < cirdan> only gettext-tools needs the expat depends
11:00 < cirdan> the build engine, hower has a bug that needs to be fixed
11:01 < pogma> explain
11:01 < dmacks> pogma: I *think* there was a mention somewhere about some other bootstrap thing maybe needing expat. But I could be completely mis-remembering.
11:01 < cirdan> if the parent of a package isn't essential, fink won't wanna build it before a essential package that depends on it
11:02 < cirdan> had that problem with libgettext3, cause the -dev was the parent
11:02 < cirdan> and wasn't essential
11:02 < pogma> I assume you mean builddepends
11:02 < cirdan> and fink refused to build it before dpkg
11:02 < cirdan> even though the -shlibs were essential
11:02 < dmacks> (nm, I was wrong)
11:03 < cirdan> so the pakage was restructured instead of fixing the bug :-)
11:04 < pogma> another one for you that we ought to be considering, Intel will have only gcc4, our, yet unstarted, 10.4 tree was going to use g++-4.0 and gcc-<whatever>, do we need to rethink and force gcc-4.0 too?
11:06 < cirdan> it's not as urgent
11:06 < cirdan> i think we can get away w/o haveing a seperate intel tree for fink, but the bindist ill be different
11:07 < pogma> I didn't say anything about a new tree
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11:07 < neo> hi
11:07 < pogma> the only compiler that will ship with Mac OS X/Intel is gcc4
11:07 < cirdan> right, i did
11:07 < dmacks> cirdan: So foo:BuildDepends:bar-dev, bar is Essential and a splitoff of bar-dev, which is not Essential?
11:07 < neo> does anybody can tell me where can i find the package for x11 on my tigers' DVDs ?
11:08 < vasi> neo, Optional Installs
11:08 < vasi> will let you choose X11
11:08 < neo> the one with apple hardware test 
11:08 < dmacks> ...and bar isn't getting compiled before foo?
11:08 < neo> ?
11:08 < cirdan> dmacks: package: libfoo-dev, splitoff1: libfoo-shlibs essential: true
11:08 < akh> neo: the OS DVD.
11:08 < neo> ok
11:08 < neo> first or second ?
11:09 < akh> The main one.
11:09 < neo> i didn't find anything in the first one
11:09 < cirdan> if bar is essential and depends on libfoo-shlibs and builddeps on libfoo-dev, fink will not build and install libfoo* before trying to build bar
11:09 < neo> except X11SDK , i don't know if it's the good one
11:09 < akh> That's the headers.
11:09 < pogma> one sec
11:10 < neo> i've to install "install bundled software only" ?
11:10 < cirdan> you have only a restore dvd?
11:10 < neo> i don't know
11:10 < dmacks> cirdan: That's even worse...it's not resolving the deps.
11:10 < neo> i don't think so
11:10 < cirdan> dmacks: it *only* does it if the parent package is not essential
11:11 < neo> i can "install mac os x" but ...
11:11 < dmacks> neo: X11 is an optional (and by default, not selected) component.
11:11 < pogma> dmacks: he's not got the OS install dvd
11:11 < dmacks> pogma: Oh.
11:11 < neo> so i have to restart the mac os X installation ?
11:11 < pogma> dmacks: he's got the disks that came with his mac
11:11 < neo> yep
11:12 < neo> i have an icon "install mac os X and bundled software"
11:12 < neo> on disc 1
11:12 < pogma> neo: I think I have the same/similar disks, let me find it
11:12 < dmacks> Search your hard drive for X11User.pkg
11:13 < dmacks> cirdan: My point is that if bar:BuildDepends:libfoo-dev but libfoo-dev isn't being installed before bar is built, that's a major problem in its own right.
11:14 < dmacks> Regardless of Essential, or anything else.
11:14 < neo> dmacks: gotcha
11:14 < cirdan> maybedmright
11:14 < neo> /system/installation/packages/
11:14 < pogma> neo: open /Volumes/Mac\ OS..
11:14 < pogma> yeah System/Installation/Packages
11:15 < pogma> hidden from the finder
11:15 < dmacks> pogma: Lovely:/
11:15 < neo> ok
11:15 < dmacks> Running that should give you the x11 runtime things.
11:16 < neo> x11 is installing
11:16 < pogma> then the Xcode Tools folder's X11SDK.pkg
11:16 < neo> ok
11:16 < dmacks> I assume Apple has documented this...somewhere...hidden and/or poorly.
11:17 < cirdan> dmacks: restarting and doing the os install would have prolly worked for him too
11:17 < akh> There's probably a README in a hidden folder.
11:17 < dmacks> akh: That sounds about right. Maybe there should be a CANNOTFINDME also.
11:17 < pogma> he could have restared and booded from the cd
11:17 < akh> heh
11:18 < akh> Now if I could figure out how to to get fc-cache actually to work...
11:21 < neo> hum
11:21 < neo> seems like the installation has a problem :(
11:21 < neo> "Finishing the installation ..."
11:23 < akh> Give it a few minutes.
11:24 < neo> ok, you were right :)
11:26 < neo> aaaaah
11:26 < neo> i can finally start xterm !!
11:26 < dmacks> woohoo!
11:26 < neo> and not "terminal" ...
11:29 < akh> gaaahh!  fontconfig is still hosed -> KDE is borked
11:32 < neo> thank you
11:32 < neo> for your help
11:32  * neo thinks he will make a french mirror of fink ....
11:34 < cirdan> heh
11:34 < akh> dang--my fc-cache is like way borked
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11:35 < akh> The behavior is completely different on my two boxes (same OS, same xorg, ...)
11:35 < cirdan>  /sw/fink/10.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/base/
11:35 < cirdan> oops
11:36 < akh>  /sw/fink/10.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/base/: No such file or directory
11:36 < cirdan> cause you *suck*
11:36 < cirdan> :-)
11:36 < neo> ok, it starts
11:36 < neo> i have installed the aterm package
11:36 < neo> and no binary to start ...
11:36 < akh>  /sw/bin/aterm ?
11:37 < neo> nop ...
11:37 < akh> hmm...
11:38 < neo> falcon:/sw/bin neo$ dpkg -L aterm
11:38 < neo> /.
11:38 < neo> /sw
11:38 < neo> /sw/bin
11:38 < neo> so i guess it installed something in ...
11:49 < dmacks> I've heard that aterm (semi-)silently fails to compile, but the compile doesn't crash hard enough to abort the package construction script.
11:49 < dmacks> ...on Tiger.
11:49 < neo> does on of you use vtund ?
11:50 < cirdan> no
11:50 < vasi> is there any great advantage to freetype >= 2.1.9 ?
11:50 < dmacks> (what a retarded build script aterm must use!)
11:50 < akh> vasi: It makes stuff work.
11:50 < vasi> which stuff?
11:51 < dmacks> vasi: It's for when you get everything working on <2.1.9, and feel like breaking everything again.
11:51 < akh> vasi: KDE
11:51 < akh> e.g.
11:51 < vasi> dmacks, heh
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11:51 < vasi> akh, my KDE works fine with whatever version comes with xorg
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11:51 < akh> I think it's the same version--the problem was Apple's X11, IIRC.
11:52 < vasi> argh, really? yeesh...
11:52 < mike-_-> pogma, hi again, i downloaded a newer version of this cctools (572) and that did not work either, so the problem is not the package 
11:53 < akh> vasi:  Though this was on Panther.
11:53 < cirdan> utmp.c:282: error: 'struct utmpx' has no member named 'ut_session'
11:53 < cirdan> from aterm
11:54 < dmacks> cirdan: Ayup, sounds similar to the error reported on the lists.
11:57 < dmacks> Anyone else seeing an uptick in spam, especially 419-schemes, past few days?
11:57 < vasi> i get remarkably little spam
11:58 < vasi> (that isn't caught by either my ISP, or Gmail, or McGill)
11:58 < dmacks> Still not much getting through here either, but the .log is growing much faster than usual:)
11:58 < vasi> lemme log into gmail and check
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11:59 < cirdan> cd heh, our aterm is from sept 6, 2001
11:59 < vasi> hmm, mostly offers for Office XP
11:59 < cirdan> 0.4.2
11:59 < dmacks> cirdan: Tell the maintainer.
11:59 < vasi> which for some reason somebody thinks i want
11:59 < cirdan> 1.0.0 is out :-)
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12:01  * vasi is having fun trying to migrate his system from xorg to Apple X11
12:02 < cirdan> heh
12:02 < cirdan> whee.
12:02 < cirdan> why dont u like xorg?
12:02 < dmacks> That RangerRick guy is pretty shady.
12:03 < vasi> i do like xorg...but i try to build packages that work for a bunch of machines, not all of which use xorg
12:03 < vasi> unless there's some way for me to post-hoc modify the compat-versions in my debs :-)
12:04 < dmacks> It's all just bytes in a file, man.
12:04 < RangerRick> nope
12:04 < RangerRick> the versions got upped
12:04 < RangerRick> nothing I can do about that  :)
12:04 < RangerRick> software moves on
12:04 < RangerRick> apple didn't move on as much
12:04 < RangerRick> :)
12:04 < vasi> heh
12:04 < dmacks> hehe
12:05 < vasi> RR, would you happen to know the story of freetype219?
12:06 < akh> "Once upon a time there was a horrible monster named Freetype..."
12:06 < vasi> oooh, what happens next, what happens next?
12:06 < cirdan> I'm scared!
12:06 < akh> writer's block
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12:10 < dmacks> !seen theid
12:10 < Melian> theid <~theid@12-218-61-181.client.mchsi.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #fink, 8d 13h 22m 36s ago, saying: 'most of the rest of the files in there are incorrect or nonfunctional'.
12:19 < runelind> hey finkers
12:19 < runelind> is it just me, or is xmms broken?
12:19 < vasi> that depends
12:20 < vasi> (that's your cue to tell us what "broken" means)
12:20 < runelind> it won't launch :)
12:20 < vasi> ...
12:20 < runelind> hold please...
12:21 < runelind> yeah I type in xmms, and I get nothin
12:21 < runelind> "it used to work"
12:21 < runelind> ok, and now it works again
12:21 < runelind> someone must be haxoring my box :P
12:21 < runelind> carry on ;p
12:22 < vasi> nothing? ie: it hangs, it crashes, or what?
12:22 < vasi> (Console?)
12:24 < runelind> nothing at the console
12:24 < runelind> and I get no xmms window
12:24 < runelind> I was having issues launching it last night, but it launched fine from my linux box accessing the Tiger box remotely
12:28 < runelind> oh well...
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12:37 < akh> ugggh.  No fscking clue what to do with fc-cache.
12:38 < vasi> sorry runelind, it's just not enough info for me to figure things out without looking very closely
12:39 < vasi> akh, how aobut looking at fs_usage while running something, see what fontconfig is actually looking at?
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12:40 < vasi> (i had a user report having to cd to /etc/fonts before running fc-cache, not sure if that's normal--i didn't have to)
12:41 < akh> lemme lisppaste up what I have
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12:42 < lisppaste> akh pasted "fc-cache on working box" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9680
12:43 < dk0r> Would someone be so kind as to port this ( http://www.blackalchemy.to/project/fakeap/ ) for me? Im still learning the basics of the command line & need to use the application @ the link I provided. I would be willing to pay a small amount via paypal for anyones help.
12:44 < lisppaste> akh annotated #9680 with "fc-cache on borked box" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9680#1
12:44 < zizban> dk0r: I don't think it needs "porting",, it's just a perl script
12:44 < zizban> unless it calls some fucntion mac os x doesn't have
12:45 < dk0r> zizban: well how do i utilitize it ?
12:45 < zizban> no idea...is there is a readme?
12:45 < dk0r> downloading
12:49 < dk0r> zizban:  Installation 1.Compile the Host AP driver and get it running.
12:49 < dk0r> How might one do that?
12:49 < zizban> good question :)
12:49 < dk0r> ?
12:50 < zizban> you might want to ask at the Unix section of forums.macnn.com...smart Unix people hang out there
12:50 < zizban> bbl
12:53 < vasi> akh, it looks like an empty fonts.conf doesn't work
12:54 < akh> Yah--but it works differently on the two boxes.
12:54 < vasi> why don't you try copying over the fonts.conf from your working box?
12:54 < akh> (or fails to work)
12:54 < akh> Already did
12:54 < vasi> no worky?
12:54 < akh> nope
12:54  * akh will play around with fs_usage
12:57 < akh> grrr...and comparing the two boxes via fs_usage, the borked box appears never even to read private/etc/fonts/fonts.conf nor any other file, whereas on the "good" box, it does.
12:58 < akh> And fc-cache comes from the same xorg deb file in both boxes too.
13:00 < vasi> check your env variables?
13:00 < vasi> i think there's also a certain dot-file that can override fonts.conf
13:01 < akh> could be--it's looking for stuff in /sw/share/fontconfig-path, and I removed that package.
13:02 < akh> D'oh!.  Just had to open a new shell.  
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13:03 < akh> fontconfig-path set an envvar that pointed to a nonexistent directory after I removed that.
13:04 < akh> Note to self--always start a new shell when in doubt.
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13:05 < cirdan> heh
13:07 < akh> thanks for the suggestions, vasi 
13:07 < vasi> np akh :-)
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13:08 < akh> mmm...KDE fonts
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13:16 < dk0r> !lisppaste
13:16 < newmanbe> Melian: unstable?
13:17 < dk0r> !lisppaste
13:17  * newmanbe sighs.
13:17 < dk0r> !lisppaste
13:17 < dk0r> !lisppaste
13:18 < dk0r> can someone gimme link?
13:19 < vasi> lisppaste: url?
13:19 < lisppaste> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink and enter your paste.
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13:46 < pRolph> hi there I can't seem to be able to get kde, I'm using this command: 'apt-get install bundle-kde'
13:46 < pRolph> and it just tells me it can't find it
13:47 < newmanbe> Hello.
13:47 < pRolph> hi
13:47 < newmanbe> Try sudo fink selfupdate
13:47 < newmanbe> Then try that again.
13:48 < newmanbe> Unless you have a reason not to, I would use "apt-get install bundle-kde-ssl".
13:49 < akh> pRolph: and what OS are you on, anyway.
13:49 < pRolph> Tiger, I bet it doesn't work anyway right?
13:49 < akh> No such package on Tiger.
13:50 < pRolph> ok so no KDE for me?
13:50 < akh> No, just no binary package.
13:50 < newmanbe> You can compile it from source.
13:51 < pRolph> are you crazy?
13:51 < newmanbe> No.
13:51 < newmanbe> Not today I don't think anyway.
13:51 < pRolph> Every time I try to compile something, from an open source project I get errors. :(
13:52 < RangerRick> pRolph: fink install bundle-kde-ssl
13:52 < RangerRick> as opposed to apt-get
13:52 < RangerRick> that's what he means  :)
13:52 < RangerRick> it's in fink, just no binary package
13:52  * newmanbe can tell you don't use Gentoo. :-p
13:52 < pRolph> I tries uBuntu, didn't recognise my processor apparently
13:52 < pRolph> :/
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13:52 < newmanbe> How nice of it.
13:53 < pRolph> do they sell Desktop Computers with Linux?
13:54 < pRolph> Because then for sure It will work
13:54 < pRolph> newmanbe: I did try that previously 
13:54 < pRolph> but: no package found for specification 'bundle-kde-ss'!
13:54 < newmanbe> ssl
13:55 < pRolph> no package found for specification 'bundle-kde-ssl'!
13:55 < pRolph> fink commander doesn't show me anything KDE
13:55 < newmanbe> Hmm, how not nice of it.
13:55 < newmanbe> Nothing at all?
13:56 < pRolph> 'Information about 1798 packages read in 2 seconds.'
13:56 < newmanbe> It might only be in unstable.
13:56 < newmanbe> http://www.finkproject.org/pdb/
13:56 < newmanbe> Check there.
13:57 < pRolph> ok there's a few packages which one shall I take
13:57 < pRolph> ?
13:57 < pRolph> not don't worry.
13:58 < pRolph> now what do I do?
13:58 < pRolph> http://www.finkproject.org/pdb/package.php/bundle-kde
13:59 < newmanbe> You would have to use unstable.
13:59 < pRolph> and how do I do that?
14:00 < newmanbe> Melain: unstable?
14:00 < newmanbe> cirdan!
14:01 < newmanbe> pRolph it is in the docs/faq somewhere.
14:01 < newmanbe> Our info bot is not working as it should right now.
14:01 < akh> http://www.finkproject.org/faq/usage-fink.php?phpLang=en#unstable
14:01 < pRolph> thnx
14:01 < akh> np
14:01  * newmanbe goes to try to get apt-zip working.
14:02 < newmanbe> !lart apt-zip for having bad documentation
14:02  * Melian gives apt-zip an extra strength ACME sleeping pill, sending apt-zip to sleep for 150 years, and awakening to seven strange dwarfs and a large apple for having bad documentation
14:02 < pRolph> Failed: no package found for specification 'bundle-kde'!
14:02 < newmanbe> You have to use fink selfupdate first.
14:02 < newmanbe> And don't forget  about bundle-kde-ssl. :)
14:02 < RangerRick> and enable unstable
14:05 < pRolph> well thanks for your help.
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14:17 < akh> !unstable
14:17 < akh> !alicekill unstable
14:17 < newmanbe> cirdan
14:17 < newmanbe> cirdan
14:18 < akh> Ah well, at least larting can be done.
14:18  * newmanbe is going to say that everytime someone tries Melian but fails. :-p
14:21  * akh wonders if postgresql80 will build this time.
14:22 < newmanbe> Depends on how much you want to pay me.
14:22 < RangerRick> a couple of people have reported some _r error I can't reproduce
14:23 < akh> I get the same error, I believe.
14:24 < akh> More details to follow when I actually get to it during "update-all"
14:24 < dk0r> i just installed ethereal using fink commander. How do i run it?!
14:24 < dk0r> i lost the commander guide I was @. cant find it again
14:26 < akh> I believe the command to run in a terminal is 'ethereal'
14:26 < dk0r> no command found
14:26 < dk0r> tried ". /sw/bin/init.sh"
14:26 < akh> Is your PATH correct then?
14:26 < dk0r> then ethereal
14:26 < dk0r> still didnt work
14:26 < dk0r> Idk
14:26 < dk0r> i dont even know what ". /sw/bin/init.sh" does
14:27 < dk0r> someone told me to do it before running the app.
14:27 < dk0r> and it worked
14:27 < dk0r> the other day fink went to hell
14:27 < dk0r> so i reinstalled it
14:27 < dk0r> and here i am
14:28 < akh> Start with http://fink.sourceforge.net/faq/usage-fink.php?phpLang=en#fink-not-found
14:28 < akh> There's a couple of different problems that are covered there.
14:28 < newmanbe> akh: Who are you talking to?
14:29 < akh> dk0r: 
14:30 < newmanbe> Oops.
14:30 < dk0r> didnt work
14:30 < akh> Which part?
14:30 < dk0r> both
14:31 < dk0r> i tried using terminal
14:31 < dk0r> then did the x11 part (x11's what i was told to use & have been)
14:31 < dk0r> neither did anyhthing
14:31 < dk0r> after ". /sw/bin/init.sh" in x11
14:31 < akh> ah--that'
14:31 < dk0r> i restarted x11
14:31 < dk0r> ethereal command still not found
14:32 < akh> Ah--this needs updating.
14:32 < dk0r> ?
14:32 < dk0r> talking to me?
14:32 < akh> Sure.
14:32 < dk0r> ?
14:32 < akh> (actually a general note to myself)
14:32 < dk0r> any suggestion
14:32 < dk0r> s*
14:32 < akh> change the command for the X11 Terminal to be "xterm -ls" rather than "xterm"
14:33 < akh> (in the X11 Application Menu)
14:33 < dk0r> did that before
14:33 < dk0r> before fink went to hell
14:33 < dk0r> just double checked. its still there
14:33 < cirdan> did someone page me?:-)
14:34 < newmanbe> Yes, Melian is still broken.
14:34 < akh> dk0r: Then the problem is in your startup file (~.profile or whatever you're using)
14:34 < dk0r> yeah. when installing fink it gave me an error about a profile
14:34 < dk0r> 3/4 through fink install
14:34 < dk0r> akh: what do I do ?
14:35 < akh> What happens if you run ". /sw/bin/init.sh" in an X11 terminal?  Any 
14:35 < akh> messages?
14:35  * cirdan is relaxed
14:36 < cirdan> stiff drink with lunch
14:36 < cirdan> mmm
14:36 < dk0r> nothing happens
14:36 < dk0r> should i be root?
14:36 < newmanbe> !massage cirdan
14:36 < akh> dk0r: no
14:37 < dk0r> k
14:37 < dk0r> oh wait!
14:37 < dk0r> ethereal gave me error
14:37 < dk0r> !lisppaste
14:37 < akh> lisppaste:  url?
14:37 < lisppaste> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink and enter your paste.
14:38 < lisppaste> dk0r pasted "?" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9682
14:39 < akh> dk0r: install gtk+2
14:39  * dk0r googles  gtk+2
14:40 < akh> You can do that, or you can install the Fink gtk+2 package.  ;-)
14:40 < dk0r> "fink install gtk+2" ?
14:40 < dk0r> yep
14:41 < dk0r> done
14:42 < akh> Try ethereal again, then.
14:42 < dk0r> yay!
14:43 < dk0r> am i going to have to put
14:43 < dk0r> . /sw/..etc
14:43 < dk0r> in everytime?
14:44 < akh> Most likely not.
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14:45 < akh> (at least after your ~/.profile gets fixed)
14:45 < dk0r> ok
14:45 < dk0r> well 
14:46 < dk0r> I quit x11
14:46 < dk0r> started back
14:46 < dk0r> ethereal command not found
14:46 < akh> Right--that's because your login scripts aren't working right.
14:46 < akh> (.profile and friends)
14:47 < dk0r> ?
14:47 < dk0r> there a faq on this?
14:47 < dk0r> cause idk what to do
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14:47 < lisppaste> akh pasted "same as everybody else?" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9683
14:48 < akh> dk0r:  No, because there's tons of different ways for you to alter your login procedure such that Fink gets confused.
14:48 < akh> Try running the pathsetup.sh script again and paste up the error message, if any.
14:49 < dk0r> "pathsetup.sh" did noting
14:49 < akh> Did you run it explicitly as "/sw/bin/pathsetup.sh" ?
14:49 < dk0r> no. sorry
14:50 < akh> RangerRick: Is the error from my lisppaste the same as the others?
14:50 < lisppaste> dk0r pasted "?" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9684
14:50 < akh> (XCode2.1, by the way)
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14:50 < MacinMan> how's everyone?
14:50 < akh> dk0r: It didn't pop up an Aqua window?
14:52 < akh> MacinMan: still wet from when I got to work 7 hours ago.
14:52 < dk0r> dont see one
14:52 < dk0r> no it did not
14:52 < akh> Strange, that.
14:54 < dk0r> any other suggestion?
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14:55 < akh> "ls -ad ~/.*"
14:56 < akh> see if you have any other startup files going besides .profile.
14:56 < RangerRick> akh: yup
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14:56 < RangerRick> I'm on xcode 2.1 and didn't have that error
14:56 < akh> RangerRick: eww
14:57 < akh> I hate that kind of thing.
14:57 < RangerRick> yeah
14:58 < dk0r> "ls -ad ~/.*" did nothing
14:58 < jefferai> I'm having a serious issue with libbonoboui, anyone think they can help me?
14:59 < lisppaste> dk0r pasted "?" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9686
14:59 < akh> dk0r: Then it's no wonder things don't work.
14:59 < dk0r> well i reinstalled!
14:59 < dk0r> hoping that would fix it
15:00 < dk0r> obviouslly not
15:00 < dk0r> what do I do ?
15:00 < akh> echo . /sw/bin/init.sh > ~/.profile
15:00 < akh> (run that in a terminal)
15:01 < akh> I'm not sure why pathsetup.sh isn't reporting anything.
15:01 < dk0r> did nothing
15:01 < akh> It doesn't print anything out.
15:01 < dk0r> zero.
15:01 < dk0r> ziltch
15:01 < akh> jefferai: what issue?
15:01 < akh> dk0r: I mean it's not supposed to.
15:01 < jefferai> should I paste the error here or do you want a link?
15:02 < akh> lisppaste: URL?
15:02 < lisppaste> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink and enter your paste.
15:02 < akh> there
15:02 < akh> (paste it up)
15:02 < lisppaste> dk0r pasted "?" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9687
15:03 < akh> dk0r: There's not supposed to be any output from that command.  Start a new terminal window, run "printenv PATH" and see what you get.
15:03 < lisppaste> jefferai annotated #9687 with "Probem with libbonoboui" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9687#1
15:03 < dk0r> start a new terminal???
15:03 < dk0r> command+n ?
15:03 < jefferai> err, I think I did that wrong
15:03 < jefferai> I'll annotate
15:03 < akh> dk0r: yes
15:04 < akh> jefferai: a link you can paste here.  ;-)
15:04 < lisppaste> dk0r pasted "?" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9688
15:04 < dk0r> ts not hard
15:04 < lisppaste> jefferai annotated #9687 with "Problem with libbonoboui #2" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9687#2
15:04 < jefferai> it's there now
15:04 < akh> dk0r: That looks like things _should_ be fixed.
15:04 < dk0r> akh: so do what in xterm now?
15:05 < akh> jefferai: no output between the last ld: and the /usr/bin/libtool?
15:06 < jefferai> nope
15:06 < jefferai> well
15:06 < jefferai> rather
15:06 < jefferai> it's a double underscore
15:06 < akh> dk0r: If you're set up to use "xterm -ls" it should work.
15:06 < jefferai> apparently, that's the undefined symbol :-)
15:07 < akh> jefferai: OK.
15:08 < dk0r> akh: http://dk0r.org/screen.jpg
15:08 < dk0r> opps
15:08 < akh> Any reason you don't just install the binary?
15:08 < akh> jeffrai, that is.
15:08 < akh> jefferai: 
15:08 < jefferai> well...
15:08 < dk0r> akh: ok now. http://dk0r.org/screen.jpg
15:08 < jefferai> The end goal is to install amaroK
15:09 < jefferai> which is only in unstable source
15:09 < jefferai> lemme see something
15:09 < akh> jefferai: Doesn't matter--you can mix-n-match
15:10 < jefferai> yeah, I just come from Gentoo, with a little FreeBSD background, and I really like building from source.  :-)  Besides, an error this strange kind of bugs me
15:10 < dk0r> ahk: its done right, no?
15:13 < akh> dk0r: I think so.
15:13 < cirdan> jefferai: our systems makes sure packages are built the same everywhere
15:13 < cirdan> no harm in the binary, except saving energy
15:14 < jefferai> okay...if you say they're built the same everywhere, I'll trust you on that...I don't know too much about how fink is set up
15:14 < lisppaste> dk0r pasted "?" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9689
15:14 < jefferai> I just didn't think that was the case since at times builds have failed due to libraries not having been installed, even with dependencies satisfied
15:14 < cirdan> no secret -USE flags :-p
15:15 < akh> dk0r: That _should_ work fine.
15:15 < dk0r> ethereal wont run. what do we do ?
15:15 < jefferai> :-)
15:15 < dk0r> we had it running before
15:15 < cirdan> jefferai: that's a bug in the package then
15:16 < jefferai> gotcha
15:16 < dk0r> after restarting xterm, command not found
15:16 < akh> in the new xterm, run "printenv PATH"
15:17 < dk0r> nothing
15:18 < akh> Run ". /sw/bin/init.sh", then "printenv PATH"
15:19 < lisppaste> jefferai pasted "mplayer issue" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9690
15:19 < dk0r> "/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/usr/X11R6/bin"
15:19 < jefferai> The paste I just sent has some things I've found in a few packages
15:19 < jefferai> ld complaining about multiple definitions, say
15:20 < jefferai> followed at the end by "symbol _blah used from dynamic library blah not from earlier dynamic library blah
15:20 < jefferai> "
15:20 < akh> dk0r: see what's in /sw/bin/init.sh
15:21 < dk0r> "ls /sw/bin/init.sh"
15:21 < dk0r> ?
15:21 < dk0r> is that what i input?
15:21 < akh> no.  Try "less /sw/bin/init.sh"
15:22  * akh thinks it got overwritten somehow.
15:22 < dk0r> didnt do anything
15:22 < cirdan> 6cat /sw/bin/init.sh
15:22 < cirdan> no 6 htough
15:22 < dk0r> ?
15:22 < dk0r> me?
15:23 < akh> dk0r: "cat /sw/bin/init.sh"
15:23 < dk0r> nothing
15:24 < akh> "/sw/bin/fink reinstall fink"
15:24 < akh> That'll unbreak it.
15:24 < dk0r> nothing
15:24 < dk0r> didnt do anything
15:24 < akh> No output of any sort, not even "command not found"?
15:25 < lisppaste> dk0r pasted "?" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9691
15:26 < akh> How about "sudo apt-get install --reinstall fink"?
15:26 < dk0r> nothing
15:26 < dk0r> didnt even prompt me for password
15:29 < akh> hmm...
15:30 < dk0r> restart computer?
15:30 < akh> Won't help.
15:30 < akh> Somehow your init.sh file went missing.
15:30 < dk0r> can I replace it?
15:30 < akh> That's what I was trying to do.
15:30 < jefferai> akh: if that's the case, then he needs to reference fink by the full path
15:31 < jefferai> akh: sorry, that's not what I meant to say, that was typed a long time ago and never sent
15:31 < jefferai> akh: he should probably redownload and rebootstrap fink from the main site, yes?
15:31 < akh> I've got one more trick.
15:32 < akh> cat /sw/bin/init.csh
15:32 < dk0r> nothing
15:33 < akh> ??? 
15:33 < jefferai> dk0r: you did install Fink to /sw right?
15:33 < akh> cat ~/profile ?
15:33 < dk0r> yep its there
15:33 < akh> oops
15:33 < akh> cat ~/.profile
15:33 < dk0r> nope
15:34 < dk0r> nothing :(
15:34 < dmacks> jefferai: _ (a single underscore) is a gettext function name (really), and darwin prepends underscores on its symbols. But really, _ is supposed to be a #define macro I think, no clue why you're not getting the correct #include that #defines it (or else have some other flag that prevents that from happening).
15:34 < jefferai> me neither :-)  but thanks for trying
15:34 < dmacks> I've heard it reported before. OTOH, we're gonna go to libbonobo2 2.10 in a few days (hopefully!) so it may be fixed there.
15:35 < jefferai> yeah, after much Googling I found it in two other places
15:35 < jefferai> both times unanswered :-(
15:35 < jefferai> I think no one really knows
15:35 < akh> dk0r: Something's seriously hosed then.  If the file doesn't exist you should get "No such file or directory"
15:35 < jefferai> think that you can take a look at the other paste I sent?
15:35 < dk0r> what should i do?
15:35 < dk0r> remove everyything?
15:35 < dmacks> jefferai: Use the binary of the libonobo2* pkgs it and get on with your life?
15:35 < jefferai> yep, did that
15:36  * dmacks knows nothing about mplayer:(
15:36 < jefferai> I'm not adverse to binaries, I just didn't know if they were really all the same everywhere...linked against the same versions of libraries, etc...and I knew I'd have to use source for some things, so figured I'd try to be as consistent as possible
15:36 < akh> dk0r: Try "open ~/.profile"
15:37 < akh> (on my computer this causes TextEdit to open .profile)
15:37 < dk0r> nothing. im supposed to be in xterm? correct
15:37 < akh> Doesn't matter.
15:37 < dk0r> k. im not sudo
15:37 < akh> Doesn't matter.
15:37 < dmacks> jefferai: Our build system completely controls all ./configure flags and env vars, so no surprises unless the maintainer screwed up:)
15:37 < dk0r> none of those commands did anything
15:38 < dk0r> possible
15:38 < dk0r> oh wait!
15:38 < dk0r> i just installed norton anti virus today
15:38  * dk0r shrugs
15:38 < dk0r> maybe thats stopping it?
15:39 < jefferai> dmacks: but what about linking against libraries?
15:39 < jefferai> if you build from source, you link against the libraries you have
15:39 < akh> dk0r: I don't know.
15:39 < dk0r> so what to do?
15:39 < jefferai> if you get a binary package, it's build linked against the versions of the libraries the builder had, right?
15:39 < dk0r> leme remove nav
15:39 < jefferai> or am I totally wrong?  Tell me if I am :-)
15:39 < akh> dk0r: Also, in the Finder, try to open /sw/bin/init.sh in TextEdit.
15:40 < akh> If it looks OK there then something else is going on.
15:41 < lisppaste> dk0r pasted "?" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9693
15:41 < dmacks> jefferai: Yes, but the darwin linker hardcodes library filenames. Maintainer says "libfoo3", which causes libfoo.3.dylib to get used. Always. OS X doesn't pick "first libfoo.dylib in libdirs".
15:41 < jefferai> Ahhh, okay.
15:41 < jefferai> Sounds good.
15:41 < jefferai> != linux
15:42 < dmacks> Right:) It's different and solves some problems. And of course creates others, and is unexpected for people who don't know about it.
15:42 -!- dmacks is now known as dmacks_away
15:42 < jefferai> dmacks_away: aww crap
15:42 < jefferai> I'll ask another time :-)
15:44 < akh> dk0r: OK, then that looks fine.  I'm at a total loss why it isn't getting read in, even when you ran the command manually.  Maybe a reboot would do something.  
15:44  * akh shrugs
15:44 < dk0r> brb
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15:50 < cirdan> hahaha
15:50 < cirdan> http://www.bash.org?473246
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16:04 < newmanbe> Optical Drive: I command thee to open!
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16:07 < newmanbe> Optical Drive: I command thee to open now!
16:08 < cirdan> heh
16:08 < newmanbe> !lart optical drives for not opening
16:08  * Melian gives optical drives a "free" copy of Windows and then charges double for "Upgrades" for not opening
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16:09 < dk0r> k. back
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16:11 < newmanbe> !unstable
16:11 < dk0r> can anyone help me get ethereal running?
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16:13 < jefferai> what's the problem, dk0r 
16:14 < dk0r> akh was helping me earlier.
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16:14 < dk0r> i wont respond to any commands
16:14 < dk0r> fink/x11 that is
16:14 < jefferai> it sounded like your whole fink was blown
16:14 < newmanbe> !unstable
16:14 < newmanbe> !test
16:14 < dk0r> so what do i do ?
16:14 < dk0r> i tried reinstalling
16:14 < dk0r> did it lastnight.
16:14 < dk0r> obviouslly didnt help
16:17 < dk0r> sudo rm -rf /sw    wont even work
16:18 < dk0r> i think x11 is blown
16:18 < dk0r> sudo rm -rf /sw   prompted me for password in terminal.
16:19 < dk0r> and removed
16:20 < dk0r> source /sw/bin/init.csh
16:20 < dk0r> If you aren't planning to reinstall Fink you also will want to remove the "source /sw/bin/init.csh" line you added to your .cshrc file or the "source /sw/bin/init.sh" line you added to your .bashrc file, whichever is appropriate to your setup, using a text editor.
16:21 < dk0r> How do I do that??
16:21 < dk0r> I allready did "sudo rm -rf /sw"
16:21 < dk0r> http://fink.sourceforge.net/faq/usage-fink.php?phpLang=en#removing
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16:24 < jefferai> sorry, I've been distracted
16:24 < jefferai> I got fink for one thing: amaroK...and I'm getting close, a few hundred packages later
16:25 < jefferai> what x11 did you use?  Apple's or xfree86?
16:25 < dk0r> apples
16:25 < jefferai> okay
16:25 < dk0r> is x11 included in xtools?
16:25 < jefferai> then your x11 shouldn't be blown
16:25 < dk0r> im tyring to reinstall it
16:25 < dk0r> ok well how do i do this?
16:25 < jefferai> you should still have the app in your Applications/Utilities folder
16:25 < jefferai> check it, make sure you can open it
16:25 < dk0r> to your .cshrc file or the "source /sw/bin/init.sh" line you added to your .bashrc file, whichever is appropriate to your setup, using a text editor.
16:26 < dk0r> x11 has never been  in /applications
16:26 < dk0r> its in utilities
16:27 < jefferai> which is in your Applications folder, right?
16:27 < dk0r> k
16:27 < dk0r> so should i reinstall it?
16:28 < dk0r> i need ethereal running
16:28 < dk0r> use it for business
16:30 < jefferai> which?  X11 or Fink?
16:30 < dk0r> sure. both
16:30 < dk0r> 1st how do i do this?
16:30 < dk0r> to your .cshrc file or the "source /sw/bin/init.sh" line you added to your .bashrc file, whichever is appropriate to your setup, using a text editor.
16:30 < dk0r> grr
16:30 < jefferai> don't dick around with reinstalling X11 unless you really need to
16:30 < jefferai> which is why you should run it and see if you can get a terminal
16:31 < dk0r> ya
16:31 < dk0r> ive got term
16:31 < dk0r> If you aren't planning to reinstall Fink you also will want to remove the "source /sw/bin/init.csh" line you added to your .cshrc file or the "source /sw/bin/init.sh" line you added to your .bashrc file, whichever is appropriate to your setup, using a text editor.
16:31 < dk0r> found here
16:31 < dk0r> how do i do that?
16:31 < dk0r> http://fink.sourceforge.net/faq/usage-fink.php?phpLang=en#removing
16:31 < jefferai> in the terminal do this:
16:31 < jefferai> cd ~
16:31 < jefferai> cat .bashrc
16:31 < jefferai> and see what's in there
16:31 < dk0r> x11 or terminal?
16:31 < jefferai> either way...xterm, terminal, doesn't matter
16:31 < dmacks_away> dk0r: If your goal is "ethereal on OS X", just use ethernal: http://www.cs.usfca.edu/~jbovet/ethernal.html
16:32 < dmacks_away> Precompiled, no need to set up fink or mess with x11.
16:32 < jefferai> dk0r: yeah, do that
16:32 < jefferai> :-)
16:32  * dk0r sighs of relief!
16:32 < dk0r> is it
16:32 < dk0r> exactlly like ethereal tho?
16:33 < dk0r> no
16:33 < dk0r> id rather use ethereal
16:33 < dk0r> !lisppaste
16:33 < dk0r> !lisppaste
16:34 < dk0r> anyone know link?
16:35 < dmacks_away> You've been told it 3 times today. Look in your browser history.
16:35  * dmacks_away even further away.
16:37 < zizban> heh
16:37 < lisppaste> dk0r pasted "?" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9694
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16:40 < zizban> did you try ls -a in your homedir?
16:41 < dk0r> zizban. how do i do the following..
16:41 < dk0r> If you aren't planning to reinstall Fink you also will want to remove the "source /sw/bin/init.csh" line you added to your .cshrc file or the "source /sw/bin/init.sh" line you added to your .bashrc file, whichever is appropriate to your setup, using a text editor.
16:41 < dk0r> http://fink.sourceforge.net/faq/usage-fink.php?phpLang=en#removing
16:42 < zizban> are you trying to remove fink?
16:42 < vasi> hey, i got that __ bug, i'm gonna debug it
16:42 < dk0r> well..
16:42 < jefferai> vasi: the one I mentioned before?
16:42 < dk0r> i allready did via "sudo rm -rf /sw"  
16:42 < zizban> ok
16:42 < vasi> jefferai, yeah
16:42 < zizban> so you want to get rid of that line?
16:43 < jefferai> have fun... :-)
16:43 < vasi> people have seen it before but i don't think it's been solved
16:43 < dk0r> idk what i want to do :) i just want ethereal to work
16:43 < dk0r> other than ethereal i have no use for fink.
16:43 < jefferai> Yeah, I can tell you that GCC 3.3 vs. 4.0 doesn't seem to make a difference
16:43 < jefferai> dk0r: try darwinports
16:43 < zizban> well to remove that line pico .bashrc
16:43 < zizban> and just erase it
16:44  * zizban is using FreeBSD on his peecee
16:44 < dk0r> zizban: nothing there
16:45 < dk0r> i allready did "sudo rm -rf /sw" 
16:45 < dk0r> is that wy?
16:45 < dk0r> why
16:45 < zizban> why what?
16:45 < dk0r> ...
16:45 < jefferai> vasi: Any idea where to start, even?  I'd be willing to help, if I had a clue what I was doing :-)
16:45 < vasi> jefferai, i believe it's a missing gettext header
16:45 < zizban> give me a clue, I just got back :)
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16:46 < jefferai> vasi: dmacks said before that they're moving to a new version in a few days...it may not be worth your time
16:46 < jefferai> unless you're seeing the error in packages other than just libbonoboui
16:46 < vasi> well it shouldn't take long, and i want this rebuilt now
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17:05 < newmanbe> !lart jefferai for directing people to DarwinPorts
17:05  * Melian blames jefferai for all the evil in the world for directing people to DarwinPorts
17:05 < zizban> isn't DP being abandoned?
17:06 < newmanbe> Yes.
17:06 < zizban> thought so
17:07 < zizban> well they were good on a pure Darwin. Fink never worked for me.
17:08 < vasi> DP is being abandoned?
17:09 < zizban> yes
17:09 < vasi> !?
17:09 < vasi> by whom? and why?
17:09 < zizban> I forget the details
17:09 < zizban> I read it somewhere
17:10 < RangerRick> it's been "being abandoned" for a year now
17:10 < vasi> wanna show me where?
17:11 < zizban> I'm trying to remember where I read it
17:11 < RangerRick> slashdot  ;)
17:11 < zizban> heh
17:11 < RangerRick> there was a fight over what direction dports would go in, the camps split up and yet all the infrastructure that's there keeps getting worked on
17:11 < vasi> er....they're still adding new porter and stuff, why would they do that if they're abandoning it? is there some definition of "abandon" that i'm not aware of?
17:11 < RangerRick> so it's not really being abandoned, it just isn't really being directed either
17:11 < RangerRick> last I saw
17:12 < zizban> ah
17:12 < jefferai> newmanbe: 
17:12 < vasi> ah, so it's "being abandoned" in more or less the same way that fink is abandoned since 3 different ppl have gone off and made abortive efforts to write a new dep engine
17:12 < jefferai> Melian: 
17:12 < Melian> jefferai: I wish you would RTFM.
17:12 < jefferai> I was trying to get the the other guy out of here
17:12  * newmanbe gets his baton and directs it.
17:12 < RangerRick> vasi: basically
17:12 < zizban> three? that meany? 
17:12 < vasi> zizban, i dunno exactly
17:13 < jefferai> read which manual?
17:13 < zizban> cool
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17:19 < pixelfairy> updating to unstable recompiles X11?
17:19 < pixelfairy> or does it just look like its doing that?
17:19 < newmanbe> If there is a new version of X11 in unstable, yes.
17:20 < pixelfairy> wonder why they did that
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17:21 < vasi> er, nobody's forcing you to update-all
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17:22 < pixelfairy> more curious than anything else
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17:24 < cirdan> Melian: alicekill pixelfairy 
17:24 < Melian> I want to kill pixelfairy, I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill pixelfairy. Kill. I wanna see pixelfairy's blood and gore and guts and have pixelfairy's veins in my teeth.  Eat pixelfairy's dead burnt body.  I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL! and I jump around with cirdan, yelling "KILL, KILL"
17:24 < cirdan> !bot snack
17:24 < Melian> cirdan: aw, gee
17:24 < cirdan> unstable?
17:25 < cirdan> !lart old configs with new versions
17:25  * Melian slams old configs with new versions against a large cement Tux
17:28 < pixelfairy> teehee!
17:28 < cirdan> you are a chick, i hope :-)
17:29 < pixelfairy> why does everyone think that?
17:29 < pixelfairy> even in real life
17:29 < pixelfairy> i get mistaken for female all the time
17:29 < cirdan> the "fairy" in your nick, and the "teehee" are hints
17:29 < cirdan> :-)
17:30 < pixelfairy> oh
17:30 < pixelfairy> duh...
17:30 < cirdan> hehe
17:30 < pixelfairy> <-- silly
17:30 < zizban> heh
17:30 < pixelfairy> <-- not even gay
17:30 < zizban> in real life, people think I'm Mel Gibson, but really. I'm not :)
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17:30 < pixelfairy> its because im whimsical, skinny, and into graphics
17:33 < cirdan> !bite zizban 
17:33  * Melian takes a big bite out of zizban's jugular vein.
17:33 < cirdan> !babbagesmite newmanbe 
17:33  * Melian feeds newmanbe into an Analytical Engine and gets four buckets of bolts as output.
17:33 < zizban> ouch :)
17:34 < jtyler> !seen thesin
17:34 < Melian> thesin <~TheSin@iphost-64-56-130-194.edm.wiband.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #fink, 2d 3h 10s ago, saying: '!botsmack'.
17:34 < jtyler> !botsmack
17:34  * Melian taps the keg of whoopass on jtyler
17:34 < jtyler> kewl
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17:41 < vasi> jefferai, i believe i've solved that __ issue
17:43 < vasi> cirdan, are you ever going to make the bot's keys listable?
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17:54 < cirdan> they are
17:54 < cirdan> !listkeys x11
17:54 < Melian> Factoid search of 'x11' by key (5): apple x11 ;; x11sdk ;; applex11 ;; apple-x11 ;; x11.
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17:56 < cirdan> hey JosephSpiros 
17:58 < JosephSpiros> Howdy
17:58 -!- You're now known as RangerAway
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18:03 < vasi> cirdan, is there a way to list all keys?
18:03 < cirdan> every one?
18:03 < cirdan> i can do it manually
18:03 < cirdan> !status
18:03 < Melian> Since Wed Jul  6 21:31:06 2005, there have been 0 modifications, 7 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 8 commands.  I have been awake for 41m 27s this session, and currently reference 269 factoids.  I'm using about 14288 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1.25/0.08 child 0/0.01
18:03 < cirdan> it's in mysql
18:04 < vasi> really? seems like overkill for just 269 items
18:04  * vasi yells "sqlite!"
18:04 < cirdan> no
18:04 < cirdan> i want damn postgres support finished
18:04 < cirdan> it's almost there
18:04 < cirdan> just need a few things i think
18:05 < cirdan> nad someone to do them, of ocurse
18:06 < vasi> :-)
18:07 < JosephSpiros> Postgres
18:07 < JosephSpiros> Is so confusing
18:07 < JosephSpiros> :[
18:07 < JosephSpiros> In a good way, you know, confusing because you know it supports pretty much everything
18:07 < JosephSpiros> But still ;x
18:08 < cirdan> the bot is perl, and uses dbi, so shouldn't be too hard
18:08 < vasi> cirdan, is there anything you actually need that's only in postgres?
18:12 < cirdan> no
18:12 < cirdan> but i choose it over mysql
18:12 < cirdan> and use it for another web db
18:12 < vasi> ah ok
18:13 < cirdan> mysql--
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18:34 < runelind> can you run commands from the dock?  Like if I want to make an icon on my dock that launches an X app without me having to go into a terminal and launch it from there, how would I go about that?
18:34 < runelind> kind of OT ;)
18:35 < das_> heh
18:35 < das_> yes, there are a bunch of ways to do that
18:35 < das_> an "easy" way is to just make it a shell script
18:35 < das_> make it executable
18:35 < das_> and call it whatever.command
18:35 < runelind> and then drag it to the dock?
18:35 < das_> that can then be put on the document side of the dock, over by the trash
18:36 < runelind> excellent
18:36 < runelind> thanks much
18:36 < Melian> no worries, runelind
18:36 < das_> .command files are double-clickable documents
18:36 < das_> there are many, many other ways to do it ;-)
18:36 < das_> this is just one
18:36 < runelind> it will work well enough :)
18:40 < runelind> ty
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18:48 < dmacks> vasi: You solved the __ bug?
18:49 < dmacks> Hehe..."<jefferai> dmacks said before that they're moving to a new version in a few days"
18:49 < dmacks> There's a "they"?
18:49 < dmacks> That's not /me ?
18:49 < zizban> heh
18:49 < zizban> your multiple personalities
18:50 < dmacks> Ah right.
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19:43 < Jerub> hmm. I'm having a compile error doing an autogen of gstreamer
19:43 < Jerub> http://build.fluendo.com:8090/osx-core-full/builds/10/autogen/0
19:43 < Jerub> I have popt 1.7 installed via fink, and it's picking up other libs (i.e. glib2-dev and such)
19:45 < dmacks> This is a manual compile (!= being compiled by fink), yes?
19:46 < dmacks> Did you remember to set your env vars so that fink's dirs are fed to the compiler?
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20:01 < runelind> I made a app.command file which launches my application just fine, but it also opens up a terminal window which is lame
20:02 < runelind> any way to have it launch silently?
20:05 < dmacks> Does the file contain any XML keys that sound relevant?
20:06 < dmacks> Dunno how you created it, so dunno how to tell you what controls would affect how it's created:)
20:10 < Jerub> dmacks: I believe they are being fed to the compiler, let me triplecheck
20:11 < dmacks> Jerub: config.log will tell you exactly what was tried.
20:11 < Jerub> env contains 'LD_LIBRARY_PATH': '/sw/lib:/sw/lib:'
20:12 < dmacks> !compile-myself
20:12 < Melian> i guess compile-myself is http://fink.sourceforge.net/faq/usage-general.php#compile-myself
20:12 < Jerub> I wonder if it's missing the .h file
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20:12 < dmacks> LD_LIBRARY_PATH is neither necessary nor sufficient.
20:13 < Jerub> okay, awesome, thanks for the link
20:13 < dmacks> You're welcome.
20:13 < Jerub> I'm running it again now with those environment variables set. if they work I can fix up the buildbot to automatically set them.
20:14 < Jerub> great! it worked.
20:14 < dmacks> 'fink dumpinfo -fenv fink' will show the exact env used when compiling fink itself, which is the default for [anything compiled using fink stuff]
20:15 < Jerub> Failed: Path-prefix dir /sw/var/lib/fink/path-prefix-g++-3.3 cannot be created!
20:15 < Jerub> that doesn't look nice...
20:16 < dmacks> Try sudo-ing it.
20:17 < Jerub> yep, okay, that worked
20:17 < dmacks> Probably don't need to sudo it anymore...just had to create some symlinks.
20:18 < Jerub> okay, once I iron out a few more things, gstreamer and xiph will be buildbotting happiyl.
20:18 < dmacks> Cool.
20:22 < dmacks> There are some msgs today on the fink-gnome-core mailing list about compiling some gst plugins. Maybe you (y'all) could submit some updated packages? gnome-core doesn't formally contain any package maintainers...just discussion.
20:24 < Jerub> sure, I'll see what we can do. :)
20:24 < Jerub> at the moment I'm just the dude donating the hardware
20:26 < Jerub> once I get everything building sweet (theora, ogg, speex, vorbis, gst)
20:26 < Jerub> I'll look at making packages for fink
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22:13 < vasi> dmacks_away: yeah, solved the __ thing, as i expected it's a missing header
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22:34 < dmacks_away> vasi: Cool. I'm torn between bumping that to gettext3 then having everyone rebuild again when 2.10 gets here, OTOH it's getting damn confusing to have mixed gettext1+3 pkgs.
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22:34 < vasi> dmacks, do we have a 2.10 on the way?
22:35 < dmacks> I just started lookin' at it...doesn't seem too bad.
22:37 < dmacks> gnome-vfs2 is ready to go also, but building it in a mixed gettext1/3 environment is a bit unpredictable.
22:39 < vasi> dmacks, what do you mean? the BuildDepends should ensure the right one is there
22:39 < Jerub> well, I resolved the gettext stuff last night by just building from source with --prefix=/sw
22:40 < Jerub> which is the wrong way to do it, but it worked ;)
22:42 < dmacks> vasi: If foo:BuildDepends:gettext1-dev and builds with -lbar, and libbar:BuildDepends:gettext3-dev, then foo may get linked to libgettext3.
22:42 < vasi> argh, that's annoying
22:42 < vasi> shouldn't the different install_names fix that?
22:43 < vasi> or is it the libtool .la stuff that's causing the problem?
22:45 < dmacks> Dunno...I see miles of the duplicate-symbol/now from X but was from Y; where the mapping of X,Y to gettext1,gettext3 is not consistent.
22:45 < JosephSpiros> I wonder why it's /sw and not /fink
22:45 < dmacks> JosephSpiros: RTFFAQ
22:45 < zizban> it was a long debate at the start of fink, ages ago :)
22:45  * zizban was there
22:46 < JosephSpiros> I've read the FAQ in the past and if I recall correctly it points out why it's /sw and not just /usr
22:46 < JosephSpiros> However, I will check again, dmacks 
22:46 < JosephSpiros> Oh, I see, dmacks 
22:46 < JosephSpiros> It's an answer you could've answered my question with ;p
22:46 < zizban> I wanted /opt but I got out voted
22:46 < JosephSpiros> "it's completely arbitrary"
22:47 < vasi> i just got someone to try Fink on the metro...apparently there's a wireless network there!
22:47  * dmacks took the teach-JosephSpiros-to-fish approach.
22:47 < zizban> heh
22:47 < JosephSpiros> Unfortunately, dmacks 
22:47 < vasi> kinda strangely lucky to have someone sitting next to me trying to run Gnome on a Mac
22:47 < JosephSpiros> I am the sort of person that would read the FAQ
22:48 < JosephSpiros> if the answer to my question mattered
22:48 < JosephSpiros> but it didn't, and doesn't
22:48 < JosephSpiros> It was a thought that I decided to "vocalize", as much as you can vocalize anything on IRC
22:48  * dmacks isn't as fink-aged as zizban, never bothered looking up the details of the arguments.
22:49 < zizban> I am glad you read FAQs considering I am on the doc team
22:49 < zizban> heh
22:50 < dmacks>  /usr/freeware might be good >:>
22:51 < zizban> oh don't all irixy on me :)
22:55 < vasi> dmacks, and does it actually end up being linked to the wrong lib, or does it just print weird errors?
22:55 < vasi> with apple's ld, i never trust what it says :-)
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22:57  * Jerub considers
22:57 < Jerub> how many packages are there in fink? i'm only seeing 114.
22:58 < zizban> many more than that
22:58 < zizban> 2000 I think
22:58 < Jerub> okay, I think i've broken this by trying to upgrade it to unstable.
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23:00 < vasi> Jerub, where do you see 114? (ie: what do you do that gives you that number?)
23:00 < Jerub> Information about 114 packages read in 0 seconds.
23:00 < vasi> hmm
23:01 < vasi> what do you get from    grep Trees /sw/etc/fink.conf  ?
23:01 < Jerub> Trees: local/main stable/main stable/crypto unstable/main unstable/crypto
23:03  * Jerub attempts a sudo fink selfupdate
23:03 < Jerub> rsync doesn't seem to wokr from the australian mirrors
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23:12 < miga> Hi everybody.
23:12 < theid> hi
23:13 < Jerub> I've got a special request from the buildbot people. packaging baz for fink.
23:13 < Jerub> :)
23:13 < dmacks> vasi: I can't remember if I bothered checking what was actually listed by otool:(
23:13 < miga> May I participate in the gnome 2.10 building?
23:13 < Jerub> and I seem to have solved the whole thing by doing a selfupdate and not letting the config request timeout
23:14 < dmacks> theid: Your gnome-vfs2 looks pretty good.
23:14 < dmacks> miga: Sure! What would you like to do?
23:14 < theid> somebody was downloading it this morning, from what the logs say
23:15 < dmacks> I think I am 168.100.something on my sandbox machine.
23:15 < miga> dmacks: I've already passed libidl2, orbit2, libbonobo2, I'm trying right now gconf2. All with gettext3, and possibly doc installed.
23:15 < theid> yep, cloud9.net
23:16 < Jerub> dmacks: where's the best place to start reading about how to create fink packages?
23:16 < miga> Would you like to check them?
23:16 < theid> my spare time is being limited by my job, and will be for the next 4 months... stupid windows machines
23:16 < Jerub> dmacks: and is there a way to port debs over?
23:17 < dmacks> Jerub: Check the Packaging Tutorial and Packaging Manual on the fink website. debs are not portable from other platforms ("a deb" is just an archive format, like "a tarball"), nor does fink have a mechanism to handle user-submitted debs.
23:17 < Jerub> okay, fink just seems decended from apt, so I was (vainly) hoping you used debian style control files.
23:18 < dmacks> Jerub: we use debian tools under-the-hood for binary handling, but our build system is completely custom-written. Actually, it's closer to an RPM .spec:)
23:18 < dmacks> miga: gconf2 is already 2.10.0
23:19 < Jerub> that's alright, I've used rpm .specs too
23:19 < dmacks> orbit2 is 2.10.3
23:19 < dmacks> I'd love to have upgraded libbonbo2 libbonoboui2 pkgs.
23:19 < miga> I've used orbit2.12, because there are corrections in it.
23:20 < miga> I've also used libidl2 0.8.5, for the same reason.
23:21 < dmacks> Okay, no reason not to use them then
23:21 < miga> Would you mind to check them?
23:22 < Jerub> dmacks: Is there's a meatspace validation system for fink packagers, like there is for the debian system?
23:22 < dmacks> Sure. Will be a few hours before I''m free.
23:22 < miga> Where would you want I put them?
23:24 < dmacks> Whatever's easiest.
23:24 < miga> In experimental/michga?
23:25 < dmacks> okay. tell me the exact filenames
23:25 < miga> I'll made a gnome2-10 directory and put all the files in it. Would it be ok for you?
23:25 < dmacks> fine
23:26 < miga> And where can I get the gnome-vfs2? Because this one is too difficult for me and a blocker for the reminder.
23:26 < dmacks> Jerub: I think thte tutorial covers use of the fink validate' command.
23:27 < dmacks> miga: I'll have it my exp/ in few hrs
23:27 < Jerub> dmacks: I meant the other kind of validation
23:28 < miga> Ok, thanks. Meanwhile I'll continue with gtk+2 and the rest.
23:28 < Jerub> i..e web of trust.
23:28 < Jerub> sorry, I feel lik eI've been a member of the fink community for nearly 400 seconds now ;0
23:28 < dmacks> Aw hell, vasi, may as well go to gettext3 in libbobono so I can get gnome-vfs2 into unstable.
23:30 < dmacks> Jerub: nope. there are only a few people who can upload pkgs to be distributed. Those are trusted folks (but no formal signing, etc). Everyone else submits to a queue for them.
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23:34 < dmacks> We've talked about doing actual signing of pkgs,  but don't have the technical support structure for it, nor have many of us actually met each other.
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23:42 < miga> dmacks: I've added the files in experimental/michga
23:46 < Jerub> dmacks: okay, thats good enough for me.
23:46 < Jerub> (at least it's not like fedora extras ;)
23:46 < dmacks> :)
23:47 < vasi> miga, you had the __ error in libbonoboui2 before right?
23:47 < vasi> i just fixed that, so go rebuild and test :-)
23:49 < miga> No, I had not unfortunately. But I'll try it as soon as possible (waiting for gtk+2 to rebuild).
23:49 < miga> Is bootstrap from head working now?
23:49 < vasi> it should be
23:49 < pogma> yes
23:49 < miga> Many thanks.
23:49 < pogma> only head though, I haven't gotten around to doing branches
23:49 < vasi> dmacks, miga: do we have some kind of plan for gnome? or just randomly updating things?
23:50 < miga> I use only head, I don't know how to use branches.
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23:50 < miga> My plan is here: <http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/stable/gnome/gnome.html>
23:51 < vasi> we're aiming for 2.8 or 2.10?
23:51 < miga> As I use almost all base gnome packages in my own packages, I'll try to update bundle gnome as far as I can.
23:51 < miga> 2.10.
23:51 < miga> 2.8 is already too old.
23:51 < dmacks> highest even-%v avail of each pkg
23:52 < miga> And there are many corrections and additions in 2.10 vs 2.8.
23:54 < dmacks> We're not trying to match a gnome desktop suite distro.
23:54 < vasi> maybe we can make a list of what's current vs. what's in 2.10 vs. what we have?
23:54 < vasi> so that we can move towards having-all-of-2.10
23:54 < dmacks> fink list | grep 2.6
23:55 < vasi> g.o must have a list somewhere
23:56 < dmacks> http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/platform/2.10/2.10.2/sources/
23:56 < miga> It is explained in the url I've pasted, but not as gnome/sources/2.10/foo, but as gnome/sources/foo/2.10.
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23:58 < dmacks> My personal plan is "as I find something I use that is very old, update it and all deps"
23:59 < dmacks> Sounds like a good idea.
23:59 < miga> That's about what I do, but the gnome site helps a lot in finding what is missing in fink and which are the dependencies.
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