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00:40 < dmacks> oops
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06:31 < shres> hey, guys my evolution build does not come up when i run it under gdb it seems that it continously loops at this symbol __dyld__ZNK16ImageLoaderMachO18findExportedSymbolEPKcPKvbPP11ImageLoader ()
06:32 < shres> any idea what that symbol is ?. Looks like Apple's dynamic library loader to me :-/
06:32 < shres> the complete trace is here http://pastebin.com/309396
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08:11  * dalibor wonders where the docs on the osx dhcpd are
08:13 < knghtbrd> I don't see a dhcpd  =)
08:14 < dalibor> oh!? what does apple use for dhcp?
08:14 < dalibor> (and how does one find docs to configure it from the dhcp server? :)
08:16 < akh> There's always the Fink 'dhcp' package--that's got everything (e.g. docs)
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08:20 < botch> hey people!
08:20 < botch> i can't figure out whats wrong with my fink installation...
08:20 < knghtbrd> dalibor: it uses its own dhcp client.
08:20 < botch> ...i've Xcode 1.5 and _did_ the gcc-update from apple.com
08:21 < botch> but fink still reports problems with gcc
08:21 < botch> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
08:21 < botch> my gcc version is: 3.3 20030304 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 1671)
08:22 < botch> you know what could be my problem?
08:22 < akh> http://fink.sourceforge.net/faq/comp-general.php#basic-headers
08:23 < akh> That's a common reason for that error.
08:24 < botch> ls: /Library/Receipts/DevSDK.pkg: No such file or directory
08:24  * botch should RTFM
08:24 < botch> akh: thanks so far...
08:25 < akh> np--for some reason that package got treated as "optional"--I think they fixed it for XCode 2.0 and later
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08:32 < akh> heh--got all excited when Software Update indicated something was available, but it was only an update to DVD player--not 10.4.2.
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08:35 < cirdan> 3heh
08:35 < dalibor> knghtbrd, thanks! any idea where the docs are on which dhcp options it accepts?
08:35 < akh> Wasn't actually too surprised, though--seed 46 just came out.
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08:41 < knghtbrd> dalibor: It takes whatever you can enter into the network prefpane.
08:44 < dalibor> knghtbrd, yeah, but say I am setting up a linux dhcp server, and want to know what I can pass to a mac os x tiger client ... where can I find that information? man dhcpd does not work on a tiger box and man bootpd gives me the bootp server thing :)
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08:46 < knghtbrd> try it on the linux box where you're putting the server?
08:46 < dalibor> linux
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08:46 < dalibor> isc one.
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08:47 < knghtbrd> wait wait wait
08:47 < knghtbrd> you're setting up a dhcpd on a mac
08:47 < knghtbrd> you have a source tree
08:47 < knghtbrd> you have docs, but you're not reading them..
08:48  * dalibor scratches head
08:48 < dalibor> let me rephrase :)
08:48 < knghtbrd> if that's not the case, then you have managed to totally NOT explain what you're doing.
08:49 < dalibor> i'd like to know which options I can pass to the mac os x tiger dhcp client.
08:49 < dalibor> the builtin one
08:52 < knghtbrd> you can't "pass options" to it.
08:52 < dalibor> well, information, like what the NIS server is, etc.
08:53 < knghtbrd> that all comes from the DHCP server
08:55 < dalibor> yes. I am interested in knowng more about the osx dhcp client. where it is (ipconfig I guess?), if there is a vendor-option-space, what options are supported in there, that sort of stuff.
08:56 < dalibor> s/ipconfig/ifconfig
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08:58 < knghtbrd> ifconfig doesn't do dhcp
08:59 < knghtbrd> I mean, if you don't use the prefpane, the prefpane will conflict with what you do by hand
08:59 < dalibor> configd?
09:00 < dalibor> well, let's just say that I don't feel like configuring dhcp on a dozen of macs by hand, so I'd prefer to put the information in the dhcpd.conf on the server :)
09:01 < dalibor> (asuming that network pref pane works by hand, only)
09:02 < knghtbrd> what configuration is there to do?
09:02 < knghtbrd> if your dhcpd requires a given hostname, you will set the hostname
09:02 < knghtbrd> if it doesn't, no need
09:03 < knghtbrd> if it operates on MAC address, you'll want to check it in /System/Library/Preferences/SystemConfiguration/NetworkInterfaces.plist
09:03 < dalibor> give each box a fixed address, tell it where to send its logs, what the nis domain is, in case of netbooting what to boot, ...
09:04 < knghtbrd> wait, you want to DISABLE dhcp?
09:05 < dalibor> nah, I want to use dhcp to give the macs ip adresses. I don't want them to have dynamic adresses, though, I want  each box to have the adress associated with its mac.
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09:06 < knghtbrd> that sounds like server config, not client config
09:07 < dalibor> yes, and in order to configure the server I'd like to find the docs that describe the mac dhcp client :)
09:07 < dalibor> source code, if necessary :)
09:08 < cirdan> dalibor: you dont need docs on the client
09:09 < cirdan> just config the server to gave xw.x.y.z to mac address:ba:da:dd:ff:23
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09:11 < dalibor> yeah, Iknow that. I'd simply like to know more about the capabilities of the dhcp client. vendor options it supports, if any, etc. i know it all automatically works, *somehow*. though if I happen to have to debug dhcp problems with the tiger boxes, I'd like to know how it all works, and where the docs for the client are.
09:12 < cirdan> right...
09:12 < cirdan> www.opendarwin.org
09:12 < cirdan> :-p
09:12 < knghtbrd> dalibor: tell me, how do you know what options the Windows XP DHCP client supports?
09:13 < dalibor> knghtbrd, I have not installed win xp boxes yet, so no idea. why would it matter? os x is great, really.
09:13 < knghtbrd> Macs are graphical OSes.  They have graphical configurations
09:13 < dalibor> i am just trying to wrap my head around the nice unixy bits underneath.
09:13 < knghtbrd> this isn't Gnome or KDE
09:13 < knghtbrd> you don't have some lame-ass hack that writes shell scripts in the background
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09:19 < dalibor> knghtbrd, ok :) thanks for your help.
09:21 < knghtbrd> you might find some useful info with ipconfig getpackeg en0
09:21 < knghtbrd> er
09:21 < knghtbrd> getpacket
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09:35 < dalibor> thanks, that's nice to see which options were detected. I've setverbose 1 too for added logging fun.
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09:44 < pogma> rm duh_file.log
09:44 < pogma> oops, sorry
09:46 < akh> Don't make me say it.  ;-)
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09:49 < pogma> I'm building file-4.14 on various hosts, one of which is named 'duh', probably because it is Tru64
09:49 < akh> ah
09:49  * akh was actually referring to pasting a shell response.  :-)
09:50 < pogma> thought it was the 'duh' and that I needed to explain my naming scheme :)
09:53 < akh> Nah--I sometimes have logs whose names oughtn't be pasted into a public channel.  ;-)
09:54 < newmanbe> This is a public channel?
09:54 < pogma> yes
09:54 < newmanbe> Somebody should have told me!
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09:55 < akh> heh--it's not like it's not advertised on the website and in some of the mailing list messages.
09:56  * akh should file a feature request for XDarwin.app
09:58 < akh> X11.app has a couple of nifty things that XDarwin.app doesn't:  switching rootless/fullscreen 'on the fly' and using a new display automatically if another X server is running.
09:58 < cirdan> xdarwin uses both displays
09:59 < cirdan> oh, nm
09:59 < cirdan> i have multi monitor support on :-)
09:59 < cirdan> bbiab
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10:06 < jefferai-away> akh: speaking of which, the switching over yesterday went sour :-(
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10:11 < jefferai> RangerAway: The new gstreamer packages haven't shown up on the mirrors...anything wrong that you know of?
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10:11 < akh> jefferai: How so?
10:11 < akh> (with the switching)
10:11 < jefferai> ah
10:11 < jefferai> well...
10:12 < jefferai> Operating without a ~/.xinitrc (that's another problem), XDarwin.app opens, but very slowly
10:12 < jefferai> X11.app opens very quickly
10:12 < jefferai> by open, I mean the time it takes to start twm and get the default xterms up
10:12 < akh> Ah.
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10:14 < akh> Wonder why they haven't shown up on the mirrors--I built the new gstreamer.
10:14 < jefferai> So did Rick apparently
10:14 < jefferai> but I'm rsyncing to master.us.finkmirrors.net
10:15 < jefferai> Anyways...any idea why X11 is so fast and XDarwin so slow?
10:16 < akh> Not right off the top of my head--I guess I never noticed because I usually use KDE, so starting _that_ is the pacing item rather than the display server.
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10:17 < jefferai> Argh.
10:17 < jefferai> Anyways...do you use quartz-wm?
10:17 < jefferai> because when I set my xinitc to use it, XDarwin gets funky, and X11.app doesn't open at all
10:17 < jefferai> unless I launch the X11 app from the command line, in which case it does open
10:18 < akh> Really?  That's odd.  It works for me (I'm using both XDarwin.app and X11.app simultaneously right now with quartz-wm)
10:18 < jefferai> can you paste me your .xinitrc so I can see if I'm doing something stupid?
10:19 < akh> I would, but I'm using the fink 'xinitrc' package instead--which isn't exactly human-readable in the way it works.
10:19 < jefferai> oh
10:19 < jefferai> maybe I should be using that...I just copied the one over from /usr/X11R6/etc/xinit
10:20 < akh> Basically, though, it's '. /sw/bin/init.sh ; rxvt ; /sw/bin/quartz-wm'
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10:20 < akh> (probably really /sw/bin/rxvt &)
10:22 < akh> I can't fathom how launching X11.app from the command line would function any differently than via its icon.
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10:22 < jefferai> me neither...but it does, somehow
10:22 < akh> Unless you're still using the one in /Applications/Utilities ?
10:23 < jefferai> Yeah, isn't that what I should be using, if I want to use X11.app?
10:23 < akh> Ah--forgot for a moment.  I installed the full "applex11tools" package, which puts an X11.app in the fink tree.
10:24 < akh> But it's a bundle, so I guess it shouldn't really matter...
10:24 < jefferai> I installed that too
10:24 < akh> Ah.  Try the icon from /sw/fink/Applications, then.
10:24 < akh> There may be some voodoo with the .app that I'm not aware of.
10:26 < jefferai> Okay, so upon installing the fink xinitrc package
10:26 < jefferai> the same behavior happens with both X11 and XDarwin:
10:26 < jefferai> actually, sorry, no it doesn't
10:26 < jefferai> XDarwin opens but doesn't open any terminals (probably as per the new xinitrc)
10:27 < akh> Most likely.
10:27 < jefferai> X11 opens but has a mouse pointer that looks like a resizing icon, and going to the Applications menu and trying to launch an xterm produces...nothing
10:27 < akh> hmmm...
10:28 < akh> Crud--I forgot to mention one of the drawbacks of the package.
10:28 < jefferai> :-)
10:28 < jefferai> now you tell me
10:28 < jefferai> hehe
10:28 < akh> It doesn't recognize /sw/bin/quartz-wm as an option.
10:28 < jefferai> of the xinitrc package?
10:29 < akh> It has two fallback options:  /usr/X11R6/bin/quartz-wm and /usr/X11R6/bin/twm
10:29 < jefferai> right
10:30 < jefferai> its bindir is /usr/X11R6/bin
10:30 < akh> It's pretty easy to fix:  edit /sw/bin/xinitrc.sh as root
10:30 < jefferai> which could be an issue
10:30 < akh> how so?
10:31 < jefferai> because that's not where quartz-wm is?
10:31 < jefferai> sorry, I'm talking about /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xinitrc
10:31 < akh> Ah, yeah--thought you meant the "as root" part.
10:31 < akh> jefferai: installing "xinitrc" moves that out of the way.
10:31 < jefferai> no, installing xinitrc put that there
10:31 < jefferai> it moves the old one out of the way
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10:32 < akh> right, but it doesn't look like the old one at all.
10:32 < jefferai> yes
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10:32 < jefferai> anyways, what should I edit?
10:33 < akh>  /sw/bin/xinitrc.sh
10:33 < jefferai> to do...?
10:34 < lisppaste> akh pasted "modifications" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9750
10:34 < akh> Just add an extra option near the bottom as I've pasted up
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10:36 < akh> (and it's probably more efficient to put it as the first 'elif' block, rather than the second, now that I look at it)
10:36 < jefferai> There we go
10:36 < jefferai> Both X11 and XDarwin are being sane now
10:36 < akh> yay!
10:36 < jefferai> Thanks!
10:36 < Melian> jefferai: gern geschehen
10:36  * jefferai googles that
10:37 < akh> jefferai: /me thinks I may have an idea about the strange behavior now.
10:37  * jefferai thinks that line should be in the xinitrc distributed with the fink package...
10:37 < jefferai> gern geschehen
10:37  * jefferai meant to paste that in his google box
10:37 < akh> I'll send a note to the maintainer.
10:37 < jefferai> Or I will, if you don't want to bother...I'm not very busy
10:38 < jefferai> Melian: what does that phrase mean?
10:38 < jefferai> I got a lot of German results that I don't understand :-D
10:40 < newmanbe> megahal: Do you speak German?
10:40 < megahal> newmanbe: When you think about it, one of which you speak.
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11:35 < jefferai> RangerAway: switching to CVS updating found the packages, btw
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11:36 < akh> jefferai: Maybe the rsync mirrors need a kick in the pants again...
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11:59 < akh> !lart people who use autoresponders on list mail accounts.
11:59  * Melian throws a AN/M-8 smoke grenade at people who use autoresponders on list mail accounts.
11:59 < akh> !botsnack
11:59 < Melian> akh: :)
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12:30 < jefferai> akh: Yeah, maybe they do
12:30 < akh> It happens occasionally.
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13:39 < akh> hmmm:  http://www.debian.org/mirror/list-non-US .  Wonder if this means we can discontinue the separate crypto tree (but keep such packages on a Restrictive license)
13:39 < akh> And don't 
13:39 < akh> sorry.  And don't "Fink is not Debian" me!
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13:41 < cirdan> !fink
13:41 < Melian> rumour has it, fink is not Debian. Fink is not Debian. Fink is not Debian. Repeat ;-)
13:42 < cirdan> !smite everyone
13:42 < akh> Yeah, yeah--just wondered about whether the change in the law would also apply to us.
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13:42 < akh> And make our lives easier.
13:43  * jefferai just got amaroK up and running, and is a happy little clam
13:44  * cirdan watches jefferai walk into a raw bar :-)
13:44 < akh> cool
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13:45 < akh> heh
13:45 < jefferai> Now I get to slowly indoctrinate my coworkers into the heaven that is amaroK, away from iTunesLan.
13:45 < jefferai> *iTunesLand.
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14:15 < akh> Silly PDB:  Restrictive packages are source-only.
14:17 < cirdan> hehe
14:18 < dmacks> I could probably hack package.php "if license='restrictive' bindist version='not available'". The actual fix (correcting the database and CVS tags) would be much more work.
14:19 < akh> Yeah--I told someone who asked about it that it's easier just to tell people rather than fix it.
14:19 < dmacks> heh
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14:52 < dmacks> akh: package.php is fixed.
14:52 < akh> cool
14:55 < dmacks> Anyone know if drm is reading email while he's away?
14:55 < cirdan> not sure
14:55 < cirdan> i'd guess so, when he can get access
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16:10 < dmacks> !seen akh
16:10 < Melian> akh <~akhansen@ldx3.psfc.mit.edu> was last seen on IRC in channel #fink, 1h 17m 8s ago, saying: 'cool'.
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16:16 < jefferai> :-)
16:17 < dmacks> mm?
16:17 < jefferai> notathing
16:17 < jefferai> just...playing
16:17 < dmacks> ak, okee:)
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16:52 < cirdan> mmm
16:52 < cirdan> it's no nice being back in kde/konsole
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16:53 < adhamh> hi all
16:53 < adhamh> quick question that I have never really understood
16:53 < cirdan> ?
16:54 < adhamh> why are things like php and postfix missing from fink?
16:54 < cirdan> php has been a bear, it's mostly been in experimental
16:54 < cirdan> postfix is in fink
16:54 < cirdan> !tell adhamh about unstable
16:54 < adhamh>  know about unstable.
16:54 < adhamh> http://fink.sourceforge.net/pdb/package.php/postfix-release
16:55 < adhamh> lists postfix as not present
16:55 < adhamh> in unstable
16:55 < adhamh> same for php
16:55 < cirdan> because the new name is just postfix
16:55 < cirdan> adhamh: use fink, not the pdb
16:55 < cirdan> that's for binary packages only
16:55 < adhamh> oh
16:55 < cirdan> or mostly, anyway
16:55 < cirdan> fink list php
16:55 < cirdan> fink list postfix
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16:56 < adhamh> well, I wanted to check what was available before I switched over from darwinports
16:56 < adhamh> I'm getting tired of DP missing dependencies
16:56 < cirdan> heh
16:56 < cirdan> fink misses some, but not too many
16:57 < adhamh> are the packages keep up to date?
16:57 < cirdan> most of them
16:57 < adhamh> the last time a tired fink this was the reason i didn't stay with it, it seemed like there were a lot of stale packages
16:57 < cirdan> it depends
16:57 < adhamh> but that could have been because I was using pdb and not fink
16:57 < cirdan> many of mine are semi-stale
16:58 < adhamh> it seems like pdb should be removed if its totally out of sync...
16:58 < cirdan> no real emails asking for newer versions, but i have 100 of them
16:58 < cirdan> adhamh: it's not totally out of sync
16:58 < cirdan> it's just not as useful as it could be
16:58 < cirdan> write us a new one :-)
16:58 < adhamh> I'll send you my schedule and let you find time for me to do it
17:00  * cirdan s/sleep/code/gi for adhamh 
17:00 < adhamh> is fink commander still the gui app?
17:02 < dmacks_away> On web-PDB, use substring-search, not exact package-name match
17:04 < dmacks_away> (precisely because it can be hard to guess the correct current packagename)
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18:40 < dk0r> dk0r needs help. http://slagheap.net/etherspoof/
18:40 < dk0r> http://dk0r.org
18:51 < dk0r> where does one find bootstrap_cmds project?
18:58 < pogma> darwinsource.opendarwin.org
19:00 < dk0r> http://darwinsource.opendarwin.org/10.4.1/ ?
19:00 < dk0r> nm
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19:14 < dk0r> http://darwinsource.opendarwin.org/10.4.1/ got it
19:14 < dk0r> how do i install bootstrap tho? whats command?
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19:17 < pogma> heh
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19:49 < newmanbe> pogma: What about it? That's been in existence for awhile.
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22:04 < Hentai> zizban why?
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22:09 < miga> Hi everybody.
22:11 < newmanbe> Hello.
22:12 < miga> Could somebody tell me where I can report a problem in autoconf order?
22:12 < newmanbe> !bugs
22:12 < newmanbe> !bts
22:12 < newmanbe> Is it a bug, or are you just having problems with it?
22:14 < miga> For me that's a bug, but it compiles. I mean there is no reason why the order of the check will stay wrong ad vitam eternam.
22:15 < zizban> what is a pyrexc?
22:16 < newmanbe> miga: From what you say, I can't tell if the problem is Fink specific. Is it?
22:16 < miga> No, I don't think so. It's more a problem of autoconf, it's in orbit2, I get this warning:
22:17 < miga> !lisppaste
22:17 < Melian> lisppaste is a bot that lets you post large chunks of text without flooding the channel. Use it at http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink .
22:17 < lisppaste> miga pasted "Wrong order of check in orbit2" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9764
22:19 < newmanbe> That does look odd.
22:19  * newmanbe would do it the other way.
22:20 < miga> I wonder if I should report to gnome or anywhere else. What do you think of it?
22:21 < newmanbe> I don't know. The last two checks looks like they're doing the same thing.
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22:25 < miga> Hello vasi.
22:25 < vasi> hi miga!
22:25 < vasi> !seen TheSin
22:25 < Melian> thesin <~TheSin@iphost-64-56-130-194.edm.wiband.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #fink, 4d 7h 51m 4s ago, saying: '!botsmack'.
22:25 < vasi> hmm
22:27 < vasi> miga, how did the testing of the gcc_select stuff go?
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22:27 < miga> Oh, sorry, vasi, I was at the hospital yesterday. I completely forgot to report. Yes it went well, exactly as msachs told us.
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22:28 < vasi> hospital? is everything alright?
22:30 < miga> Oh, yes, I think so, could not tell because they changed my rendezvous without telling it to me first. It's just a check I should do every 5 years.
22:31 < vasi> i'm glad everything's fine
22:31 < vasi> so hmm, we can just rm the symlinks and the problem goes away?
22:32 < lisppaste> miga annotated #9764 with "check in config.in in orbit2 for resolv" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9764#1
22:32 < miga> Yes, exactly, maybe it could be possible to test it in a script?
22:33 < vasi> miga, i actually think fink should check before compiling things
22:34 < vasi> (what's in the config.log for that check?)
22:34 < miga> Yes, that was what I meant, at least for gnome-vfs2, if it could be done, it would be fine.
22:34 < miga> I'm about to paste it.
22:34 < vasi> can you paste the list of symlinks?
22:35 < miga> They are in bmeme, wait I'll check my logs.
22:39 < lisppaste> miga annotated #9764 with "Again this infamous array type has incomplete element type error" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9764#2
22:39 < miga> I'll report to gnome, since they are prone to use incomplete array element type.
22:41 < vasi> er, that actually looks like a missing header
22:41 < miga> vasi: here you're for symlinks: <http://paste.lisp.org/display/9737>
22:41 < miga> Which header is missing?
22:41 < vasi> i'm checking
22:46 < miga> Maybe I should update config.guess and config.sub?
22:47 < miga> They are from 2003.
22:47 < vasi> maybe
22:48 < miga> I'll try it.
22:49 < vasi> netinet/in.h
22:49 < vasi> that header needs to be included before resolv.h on OS X
22:49 < vasi> (well at least on Tiger)
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22:51 < miga> It is the same on 10.3, dmacks tested it, and got the same warning. I don't know if it is the case on 10.3 < 9. By the way, do we make a difference on various 10.3 version?
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22:51 < miga> So, where do I report it: orbit2, autoconf?
22:53 < vasi> i'm not sure...i suspect autoconf
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22:53 < vasi> wait though
22:53 < miga> OK, I'll check first if it is sufficient to update config.guess and config.sub.
22:53 < vasi> try rerunning autotools
22:53 < vasi> (or do that)
22:53 < kalessin> Hello all.  I'm hitting a problem when I try to install gtk+2 on 10.3.9, fink unstable just selfupdated.
22:54 < vasi> !lisppaste
22:54 < Melian> lisppaste is a bot that lets you post large chunks of text without flooding the channel. Use it at http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink .
22:54 < vasi> kalessin, paste your error with lisppaste
22:54 < kalessin> When it gets to setup, the following happens: update-gdk-pixbuf-loaders: line 16:  5543 Segmentation fault
22:54 < vasi> Melian: forget lisppaste
22:54 < Melian> vasi: i forgot lisppaste
22:55 < miga> <http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink>
22:55 < vasi> Melian: lisppaste is paste your errors at http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink instead of flooding the channel
22:55 < Melian> okay, vasi
22:55 < vasi> !lisppaste
22:55 < Melian> i heard lisppaste is paste your errors at http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink instead of flooding the channel
22:55 < kalessin> I've repaired permissions and done update_prebinding.
22:55 < kalessin> Rebuilt gtk+2 after doing the perms /prebinding fix, and still the error occurs.
22:55 < vasi> kalessin, please paste the last 20 or so lines up to and including the error
22:57 < lisppaste> kalessin pasted "The error" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9765
22:58 < dk0rr> Is the bootstrap_cmds-49 here--> http://darwinsource.opendarwin.org/10.4.1/   the same as the dpkg-bootstrap here --> http://fink.sourceforge.net/pdb/package.php/dpkg-bootstrap ??????
22:59 < dk0rr> trying to do this -->http://fink.sourceforge.net/pdb/package.php/dpkg-bootstrap
22:59 < dk0rr> this* -->http://slagheap.net/etherspoof/#installation
23:00 < miga> vasi: it is the same with updated config.guess.
23:01 < miga> So, I'll try to rerun autotools.
23:01 < dk0rr> miga: Is the bootstrap_cmds-49 here--> http://darwinsource.opendarwin.org/10.4.1/  the same as the dpkg-bootstrap here --> http://fink.sourceforge.net/pdb/package.php/dpkg-bootstrap ??????
23:01 < vasi> miga, what if you autogen?
23:01 < lisppaste> kalessin annotated #9765 with "Output of the segfaulting command" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9765#1
23:02 < vasi> kalessin, do you know how to get a backtrace with gdb?
23:02 < kalessin> vasi getting one now.
23:02 < miga> dkOrr: I have no idea, why should I have an idea about it???
23:02 < vasi> dk0rr, bootstrap_cmds and dpkg-bootstrap have no relation whatsoever
23:03 < dk0rr> ty vasi
23:03 < vasi> they're two totally different things that just happen to have the word bootstrap in them
23:03 < dk0rr> miga: sorry
23:03 < vasi> it's like Apple Computer and a Granny Smith apple :-)
23:03  * dk0rr is green
23:04  * miga even more :-)
23:04 < vasi> miga, check out fink HEAD
23:04  * dk0rr doubts it
23:04 < vasi> i just added a fix for the Repair Permissions thing
23:05 < lisppaste> kalessin annotated #9765 with "bt" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9765#2
23:05 < vasi> miga, so try updating fink from HEAD, then run repair perms, then compile gnome-vfs2 and it should work
23:05 < miga> Ok, I should just wait till orbit2 is recompiled.
23:06 < dk0rr> whats a proper source tarball ?
23:07 < lisppaste> kalessin annotated #9765 with "fink/gcc/os version information" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9765#3
23:07 < vasi> kalessin, what does 'otool -L /sw_unstable/bin/gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders' yield?
23:07 < vasi> also try otool -L /sw_unstable/lib/gtk-2.0/2.4.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-bmp.so
23:08 < vasi> dk0rr, a tarball is like a zip or StuffIt archive
23:08 < vasi> except it ends with '.tar.gz' or '.tgz' instead
23:08 < dk0rr> like a .tar.gz ?
23:08 < vasi> yeah
23:08 < lisppaste> kalessin annotated #9765 with "otool -L /sw_unstable/bin/gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders " at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9765#4
23:08 < dk0rr> so if i wanted to install bootstrap_cmds-49 "sudo mv bootstrap.tar.gz  /sw/src/" would be a good command to start?
23:09 < vasi> no
23:09 < lisppaste> kalessin annotated #9765 with "otool -L  /sw_unstable/lib/gtk-2.0/2.4.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-bmp.so" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9765#5
23:09 < dk0rr> http://fink.sourceforge.net/faq/usage-fink.php?phpLang=en#not-found
23:09 < dk0rr> Once you locate the proper source tarball, download it manually, and then move the file into your Fink source location (i.e. for a default Fink install, "sudo mv package-source.tar.gz  /sw/src/". Then use 'fink install packagename  ' as normal.
23:10 < vasi> but there's no package for 'bootstrap_cmds'
23:10 < vasi> so i'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish
23:10 < dk0rr> oh.. so that mean i would have to make one
23:10  * dk0rr sighs 
23:10 < vasi> why are you trying to install bootstrap_cmds?
23:10 < dk0rr> well. im trying to learn network security
23:11 < dk0rr> and i need to be able to do this
23:11 < dk0rr> Once you locate the proper source tarball, download it manually, and then move the file into your Fink source location (i.e. for a default Fink install, "sudo mv package-source.tar.gz  /sw/src/". Then use 'fink install packagename  ' as normal.
23:11 < dk0rr> opps
23:11 < dk0rr> http://slagheap.net/etherspoof/#installation
23:11 < dk0rr> on step 2 :(
23:11 < dk0rr> appreciate you taking a look 
23:12 < vasi> fink won't do that for you, sorry :-(
23:12 < vasi> you'll have to do it manually
23:12 < dk0rr> which means, building packages?
23:12 < vasi> no
23:12 < vasi> just download the tarball, unpack it, and 'make' and 'make install'
23:12 < vasi> seems to be what that webpage says
23:13 < dk0rr> idk what that means :(
23:13 < dk0rr> if your busy, screw it
23:13 < vasi> k, it says 'make and make install relpath from the bootstrap_cmds project'
23:13 < vasi> right?
23:13 < dk0rr> correct
23:13 < vasi> ok, so you go to apple's opensource page at http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/10.4.1/
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23:14 < vasi> and you look for bootstrap_cmds
23:14 < vasi> and next to it, there's a link for .tar.gz, so download that
23:14 < dk0rr> yep allready had that
23:14 < dk0rr> but
23:14 < dk0rr> from the link on the instructions page
23:14 < vasi> did you unpack the tarball?
23:14 < dk0rr> not from apple
23:14 < dk0rr> yes
23:15 < vasi> hold on
23:15 < dk0rr> np
23:16 < vasi> k, so now inside the tarball is a 'relpath.tproj' directory, right?
23:16 < vasi> so go in there
23:16 < vasi> (using cd in the terminal)
23:17 < dk0rr> k
23:17 < dk0rr> so thats
23:17 < vasi> kalessin, i can't really tell what the problem is, sorry :-(
23:18 < vasi> try googling for it?
23:18  * vasi needs a break, seeya in 5 mins
23:18 < kalessin> vasi Tried it.  Found one person on the debian lists who never got an answer, and one who crossposted fink-users/fink-devel with an older version of gtk+2, also no answer.
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23:18 < dk0rr> cd ~/users/dk0r_corp/desktop/bootstrap_cmds-49/relpath.tproj
23:18 < dk0rr> is that what u ment vasi ?
23:18 < dk0rr> assuming the files on my desktop
23:19 < kalessin> vasiRSI It's nice that I'm not the only one who is confused. :-)  Thanks for giving it a look.
23:19 < dk0rr> !lisppaste
23:20 < Melian> it has been said that lisppaste is paste your errors at http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink instead of flooding the channel
23:20 < lisppaste> dk0r pasted "cd" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9766
23:20 < kalessin> dk0rr Assuming your username is dk0r_corp, and the file is on your desktop, then the first ~ is extra.
23:20 < kalessin> ~ is shorthand for your homedir.  In the case of the user dk0r_corp, ~ will expand to /Users/dk0r_corp/
23:20 < miga> Just cd ~/Desktop/...
23:20 < dk0rr> gotcha
23:20 < dk0rr> sorry
23:21 < miga> But the most is just type cd a space then drag the file or folder into terminal.
23:21 < dk0rr> oh thats even better
23:21 < dk0rr> vasi: ok now what?
23:22 < miga> yes, for lazy persons.
23:22 < dk0rr> http://slagheap.net/etherspoof/#installation
23:22 < dk0rr> hehe miga: ty
23:22 < miga> dkOrr: vasi said he takes a break. so let him take it, he deserves it.
23:22 < dk0rr> oh didnt notice
23:22 < dk0rr> apologies
23:23 < kalessin> dk0rr I think the next step was to do 'make'
23:23 < dk0rr> make a cake ?
23:23 < kalessin> dk0rr type make into the terminal window.
23:24 < kalessin> dk0rr I'm not looking at the documentation, so I'm just going off of what vasi said before.
23:24 < kalessin> dk0rr but he said to unpack, make, make install.
23:24 < lisppaste> dk0r annotated #9766 with "make" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9766#1
23:25 < miga> Double click on the tarball it should expand, then cd to the main folder, and type make in the terminal.
23:25 < dk0rr> why double click?
23:25 < dk0rr> oh
23:25 < dk0rr> nm
23:25 < miga> It expands the tarball, aka the .tgz or whatever folder.
23:25 < dk0rr> yaya
23:26 < vasiRSI> hey guys, i gotta go
23:26 < vasiRSI> my RSI's really bad tonite :-(
23:26 < dk0rr> ty vasi
23:26 < miga> Bye vasi.
23:26 < vasiRSI> sorry dk0rr
23:26 < dk0rr> "cd ~/desktop bootstrap_cmds-49 make" ?
23:26 < dk0rr> its ok. ty vasi
23:26 < vasiRSI> kalessin, mail fink-devel with your problem and i'll look at it another time
23:26 < vasiRSI> miga, test fink HEAD :-)
23:26 < kalessin> vasiRSI k.  Thank you.
23:26 < vasiRSI> take care!
23:26 < kalessin> vasiRSI likewise.
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23:26 < miga> No, cd ~/Desktop/xxx
23:27 < miga> Then make
23:27 < miga> Two lines, not one.
23:27 < dk0rr> ive got this in command line
23:27 < dk0rr> >
23:27 < dk0rr> how can i get back?
23:28 < miga> cd a space drag the expanded folder.
23:28 < miga> then make
23:28 < miga> cd a space drag the expanded folder, push the return key.
23:28 < dk0rr> ok done
23:29 < miga> make push the return key.
23:29 < dk0rr> ya its going
23:29 < dk0rr> done
23:31 < dk0rr> fink install ?
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23:31 < cirdan> !camelsmite repair permissions
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23:32 < miga> no sudo make install push the return key, or whatever is indicated.  
23:33 < dk0rr> done
23:36 < dk0rr> next?
23:36 < miga> No idea, you should read the doc.
23:36 < dk0rr> is it installed?
23:36 < dk0rr> did we install it ? :)
23:36 < miga> It should.
23:37 < dk0rr> did we do this? --> make and make install relpath from the bootstrap_cmds project.
23:38 < miga> I don't know what relpath etc. is supposed to be.
23:39 < miga> Where are the instructions?
23:39 < dk0rr> http://slagheap.net/etherspoof/#installation
23:39 < dk0rr> ty for help miga :)
23:39 < dk0rr> there a relpath dir in the expanded tarball
23:40 < dk0rr> theres
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23:41 < dk0rr> trying to learn network security, and thats a absolute necessary tool
23:41 < dk0rr> an*
23:42 < dk0rr> i download bootstrap from the download setting of the site i linked you too. not from apple
23:43 < miga> You may want to contact Peter on the darwin-development mailing list.
23:44 < dk0rr> regarding?
23:44 < miga> He may lurk around or possibly other people can help me. Because I'm not going to install a kernel modification on my mac without even knowing what I'm about to install.
23:45 < dk0rr> oh? so its not a good idea then?
23:45 < dk0rr> you know what a mac id is?
23:45 < miga> Regarding etherpoof, he's the man who wrote this page.
23:45 < miga> Well, not for me, but if you know what you do, it may be a good idea.
23:45 < dk0rr> ?
23:46 < dk0rr> a mac id is an address assigned to your nic
23:46 < dk0rr> to identify you as you
23:46 < dk0rr> nic = network interface card ?
23:46 < miga> that's not a mac id, that's a MAC id, something different.
23:46 < dk0rr> lol
23:47 < dk0rr> so, suggestions?
23:47 < miga> What I said, ask on the darwin-development mailing list.
23:48 < dk0rr> what am i asking?
23:48 < dk0rr> a walkthrough install ?
23:49 < miga> What does relpath from etc.. is supposed to be or just I'm having trouble installing etc...
23:51 < miga> for vasi pausing: the script to remove symlinks works like a charm.
23:59  * dk0rr shrugs
23:59 < dk0rr> where do i go from here?
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