--- Log opened Tue Jul 12 00:00:44 2005 00:03 -!- pogma [~peter@p1174-ipad212kobeminato.hyogo.ocn.ne.jp] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 00:07 -!- JosephSpiros [~joseph@ip-246-036.oberlin.net] has quit ["leaving"] 00:09 -!- JosephSpiros [~joseph@ip-246-036.oberlin.net] has joined #fink 00:14 -!- eno-away is now known as eno 00:22 -!- asparagui [~billy@mo-71-1-109-215.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net] has quit ["compiling"] 01:33 -!- eno [~eno-away@adsl-216-100-135-23.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:42 -!- eno [~eno-away@adsl-64-170-121-236.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #fink 02:03 -!- mbroeken [~chatzilla@fswfirewall.fss.uu.nl] has joined #fink 02:37 -!- muesli [~muesli@mail.muehlhaeuser.de] has joined #fink 02:51 < Feanor> ugh 02:52 < Feanor> i disabled gimp-print support in gimp2 02:52 < Feanor> but i have no idea why i did it 02:52 < Feanor> other than i apparently had a reason 03:22 -!- hennker_ [flullup@dsl-082-083-078-083.arcor-ip.net] has joined #fink 03:38 -!- hennker [flullup@dsl-082-082-235-144.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 03:41 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: Feanor, Melian, swix_, usataway, KraMer_, Clef_, knghtbrd, gzl, zorton, burns 03:41 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Feanor, Clef_, Melian, burns, KraMer_, swix_, knghtbrd, gzl, usataway 03:42 -!- Netsplit over, joins: zorton 03:42 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: Clef_ 03:42 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Clef_ 03:46 -!- linuxmaniac [~maniac@166.Red-81-34-4.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #fink 04:06 -!- linuxmaniac [~maniac@166.Red-81-34-4.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 04:53 -!- DonGian [~DonGian@pD9FA222A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #fink 05:08 -!- DonGian [~DonGian@pD9FA222A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Dieser computer ist eingeschlafen"] 05:14 -!- hennker_ [flullup@dsl-082-083-078-083.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["leaving"] 05:26 -!- baba [~baba@YahooBB220041000208.bbtec.net] has joined #fink 06:15 -!- rayban [~rayban@AClermont-Ferrand-251-1-54-54.w81-251.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #fink 06:20 < rayban> hello 06:20 < Melian> hola, rayban 06:20 < rayban> :) 06:21 -!- Feanor [~astrange@feanor.developer.opendarwin] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:23 < rayban> I've been installing fink with panther without problem, now i'm unable to reinstall it: "can't find package base-files_1.9.5-1_darwin-powerpc.deb" and I can't find the answer on the web,so if someone knew what is it about, i'd be grateful. 06:23 < rayban> Is it possible to "manually" install this package? 06:25 < cirdan> have you done a selfupdate lately? 06:26 < cirdan> that bug should be fixed 06:26 < cirdan> umm, what do u mean reinstall? 06:26 < cirdan> fink reinstall base-files? 06:30 < rayban> no, everything 06:30 < rayban> clean install 06:33 < rayban> first install was before the existence of tiger and i'm still on panther 06:38 < cirdan> that error is when using the bindist to install deps, iirc 06:38 < cirdan> try to get a tarball of the latesdt fink from fink.sf.net 06:40 -!- Fang [~Fang@AToulon-151-1-65-161.w86-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #fink 06:40 < rayban> ok, i'll try that 06:43 < rayban> do i have to put it somewhere and then tell fink in which directory it should look for additional tarballs at the begin of install? 06:45 -!- Feanor [~astrange@feanor.developer.opendarwin] has joined #fink 06:52 -!- euthydemus [~mhough@host81-156-193-43.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #fink 06:57 -!- ringerc [~craig@dsl-202-72-144-62.wa.westnet.com.au] has joined #fink 06:58 < euthydemus> I have a .info file that isn't validating due to the versioning. The versioning comes from upstream. How should I get around this? Can I ignore it:) 07:00 -!- mcp [~hightower@wolk-project.de] has joined #fink 07:10 -!- mbroeken [~chatzilla@fswfirewall.fss.uu.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:10 -!- mbroeken__ [~chatzilla@fswfirewall.fss.uu.nl] has joined #fink 07:10 -!- mbroeken__ is now known as mbroeken 07:31 < cirdan> euthydemus: no, you need to have a version scheme that fits policy 07:31 < cirdan> what's the versions they use? 07:31 -!- till [till@4347498a6e23d61a.session.tor] has joined #fink 07:32 < euthydemus> understood. should I rename the package 07:32 < euthydemus> AFNI_05_07_08 or something like that 07:32 < cirdan> what? 07:32 < euthydemus> Not my idea:) 07:32 < cirdan> what is the package name, and what is the versions they use 07:33 < cirdan> btw _ is not allowed anywhere in the name/version 07:33 < euthydemus> afni is the package name and AFNI_05_07_08 is their version string as they call it 07:33 < euthydemus> understood 07:34 < cirdan> Then I would call it afni 07:34 < euthydemus> I should rename the tarball then? 07:34 < cirdan> no 07:34 < cirdan> they use dates as thier versions? 07:34 < euthydemus> Yes 07:34 < cirdan> eww 07:34 < euthydemus> at first they didn't even version 07:34 < cirdan> they need to learn how to version thier crap correctly 07:35 < euthydemus> I hear that 07:35 < cirdan> stupid people... 07:35 < cirdan> there is no version at all? 07:35 < euthydemus> the lead developer says versioning is arbitrary 07:35 < cirdan> oh god 07:35 < euthydemus> there is the date 07:35 < euthydemus> just with underscores 07:35 < cirdan> dates are not versions :-/ 07:36 < cirdan> there are ways to version crap so it makes sense 07:36 < cirdan> anyway, i'd do 0.0.5.7.8 as the version 07:36 < cirdan> so if they ever had a 0.1 release you wouldn't need an apoch 07:37 < cirdan> either that, or do 0.0.1 as the version, and 5.7.8.1 as the revision 07:37 < cirdan> then if you need to rev that, it'd be 5.7.8.2, 5.7.8.3... 07:38 < cirdan> !lart stupid programmers 07:38 * Melian acting on orders from an unspecified client drags stupid programmers into court suing for $200 million 07:38 < euthydemus> I see. So download AFNI_05_07_08.tgz but use 5.7.8 or something as the version 07:38 < cirdan> 0.0.5.7.8 07:38 < cirdan> or something 07:38 < euthydemus> right 07:38 < cirdan> the 0's are important 07:38 < cirdan> also, see how debian calls the package, if they package it 07:39 < cirdan> maybe they do somehting better 07:39 < euthydemus> I think this is the only packaging 07:39 < cirdan> thier policy is the same as ours, basically 07:40 < euthydemus> They used to have versions but not on the tarballs and then they switched to this 07:40 < euthydemus> okay 07:40 < euthydemus> thanks for the help 07:40 < Melian> euthydemus: sure thing 08:00 -!- driftkop [~driftkop@user-0c8hrip.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #fink 08:04 -!- driftkop [~driftkop@user-0c8hrip.cable.mindspring.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 08:28 -!- jefferai [~chatzilla@SCRUBBING-BUBBLES.MIT.EDU] has joined #fink 08:38 -!- akh [~akhansen@ldx3.psfc.mit.edu] has joined #fink 08:44 -!- pogma [~peter@pogma.developer.opendarwin] has joined #fink 08:46 < baba> po po po pogma 08:48 < pogma> ba ba ba baba 08:49 < pogma> something sick with my connection 08:49 < baba> SYN ACK ACK ACK 08:49 < baba> SYCK 08:50 < pogma> might have to go kick the router 08:54 -!- pogma_ [~peter@p4026-ipad32kobeminato.hyogo.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #fink 08:55 -!- pogma [~peter@pogma.developer.opendarwin] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 08:55 -!- rayban [~rayban@AClermont-Ferrand-251-1-54-54.w81-251.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:55 -!- pogma_ is now known as pogma 08:56 -!- newmanbe [~newmanbe@0120ed30d38bbc4a.session.tor] has joined #fink 08:57 -!- baba [~baba@YahooBB220041000208.bbtec.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 09:03 -!- Feanor [~astrange@feanor.developer.opendarwin] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:09 < akh> /kick router 09:10 * newmanbe kicks akh's router. 09:10 < akh> heh 09:10 < akh> Mine's Ok--I meant pogma's 09:10 * newmanbe kicks pogma router. 09:10 < newmanbe> 's 09:11 < newmanbe> Yours needed to be reminded to keep its place too. 09:14 < akh> hmmm...on the one hand, I'm glad I'm maintaining a package that's being actively developed. 09:14 < newmanbe> Bah, then you have to keep track of new releases. 09:14 < akh> On the other hand, I never manage to get a new revision into stable before upstream puts out a new version. 09:15 < akh> Yeah, but the only changes so far have been to the source and MD5. 09:15 < newmanbe> That's good. 09:16 < akh> Yeah--takes but minutes to fix up. 09:16 * newmanbe commands Fink to use SHA-1. 09:16 < pogma> no 09:16 < newmanbe> akh: Then you'll have three things to change. 09:17 < akh> pogma speaks for Fink. 09:17 < newmanbe> Rebellion! 09:17 < pogma> 'twould break the mirrors 09:17 < newmanbe> No it wouldn't. 09:18 < akh> And the way they've been behaving recently, maybe we wouldn't even notice. :\ 09:21 < akh> D'oh! build failure. 09:21 < akh> libtool-related 09:22 < akh> (well, /usr/bin/libtool) 09:22 < newmanbe> Sue Apple! 09:22 < newmanbe> !sue Apple 09:22 < newmanbe> Melian: Don't you have a lawyer? 09:24 < akh> I'll try again w/o ccache-default, but I'm not hopeful... 09:27 < lisppaste> akh pasted "error with new xcircuit" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9846 09:29 -!- You're now known as RangerRick 09:33 < akh> grrr...somebody got a similar error back when they were trying the 3.2.x.series, but I never found a final resolution. 09:33 < pogma> akh: heh, where does -bind_at_load come from? your info file? libtool? 09:34 < akh> It's not from my .info file. 09:34 < pogma> grep for it 09:35 < pogma> tell me what ./libtool --version says (assuming xcircuit uses libtool) 09:36 < akh> hmm...looks like it somehow got passed in during configuration: Makefile:LDFLAGS = -L/sw/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib -bind_at_load 09:38 < pogma> is -bind_at_load in configure ? 09:38 < akh> not by me. 09:38 < pogma> no, I mean in the configure script itself? LDFLAGS="$LDFALGS -bind_at_load" or some such crap 09:40 < pogma> change -bind_at_load to -Wl,-bind_at_load when you find it 09:40 < akh> OK 09:42 < pogma> akh: ctually, you can just remove -bind_at_load everywhere on tiger, if you like 09:42 < pogma> akh: might still need it on panther though 09:42 < akh> Sure. 09:44 < RangerRick> so it should be fun getting kde intl o stable 09:44 < RangerRick> need to move freetype219 09:44 < RangerRick> and python24 unless I release a new koffice :P 09:45 < akh> we may need that anyway. 09:47 < akh> Some of the apps don't run at all on Tiger. 09:48 < akh> pogma: I did, indeed find that in ./configure 09:49 < pogma> bug upstream :) 09:49 -!- mbroeken [~chatzilla@fswfirewall.fss.uu.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:49 < akh> Yup. They took it out for the current 3.3.x series and we no longer needed a patch. 09:49 < akh> But now... 09:50 < akh> oh, crud 09:50 < cirdan> morning 09:50 < akh> SHLIB_CFLAGS="-I/sw/include -fno-common" 09:51 < akh> in ./configure--*sigh* 09:51 < pogma> haha 09:51 < newmanbe> !wb cirdan 09:51 < Melian> Welcome back cirdan, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos. 09:52 < cirdan> !ga 09:52 * newmanbe knows why that didn't work but won't tell you why. 09:52 < jefferai> newmanbe: bastard extroardinaire? :-) 09:53 -!- mbroeken [~chatzilla@fswfirewall.fss.uu.nl] has joined #fink 09:53 * cirdan also knows 09:54 < cirdan> but i don't need it to work for newmanbe to know what it says :-p 09:54 * newmanbe only remembers that it isn't very nice. 09:55 < newmanbe> !alicekill Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner 09:55 < Melian> I want to kill Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner, I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner. Kill. I wanna see Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner's blood and gore and guts and have Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner's veins in my teeth. Eat Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner's dead burnt body. I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL! and I jump around with newmanbe, yelling "KILL, KILL" 09:56 < newmanbe> Melian: No, if you ate him, you'd get sick. 09:56 < cirdan> :-) 09:56 < newmanbe> cirdan would have to reset you. 09:58 < akh> Guess I'd better tell upstream that 09:58 < akh> oops 09:59 < cirdan> heh 09:59 < akh> What'cha wanna kill Sensenbrenner for, anyway. 09:59 * akh has my reasons, but I'd like to hear yours 10:00 < newmanbe> Ah ha! 10:00 < newmanbe> Another Tor user! 10:00 < cirdan> !lart tor users :-p 10:00 * Melian whips out a sword and chops tor users :-p in half 10:01 < akh> No. 10:01 < newmanbe> Ha, it's not tor. 10:02 < newmanbe> akh: Because he is insane. 10:02 < newmanbe> And shames the state of Wisconsin. 10:02 < akh> OK--we're on the same page, then. 10:03 < newmanbe> Even more shameful that if every single developer for DarwinPorts lived in Wisconsin! 10:03 < newmanbe> s/that/then/ 10:03 < jefferai> Hmm, I haven't been using Tor, but, what's he doing about it? 10:04 < jefferai> Trying to tear it down? 10:04 < newmanbe> Oh, I don't know, but probably. 10:04 < jefferai> you want to kill him, but you don't know why? 10:04 * jefferai doesn't think that's the case but is a little confused 10:05 < newmanbe> No, I do now why I want to kill him. 10:05 * jefferai does a Google News search 10:05 < jefferai> oh, the whole Patriot Act thing? 10:06 < newmanbe> Umm, partly. 10:07 -!- mbroeken [~chatzilla@fswfirewall.fss.uu.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:08 -!- vasi [~vasi@modemcable133.147-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #fink 10:08 < newmanbe> !wb vasi 10:08 < Melian> Welcome back vasi, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos. 10:09 < vasi> thanks newmanbe 10:09 < Melian> vasi: no worries 10:09 < newmanbe> jefferai: Don't believe anything you see in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. 10:10 < jefferai> :-) I wasn't looking 10:10 < newmanbe> Good. 10:10 * jefferai just took a quick glance at Google News headlines while doing reading for work 10:27 -!- Feanor [~astrange@feanor.developer.opendarwin] has joined #fink 10:51 -!- asparagui [~billy@mo-71-1-109-215.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net] has joined #fink 10:51 < asparagui> i got an unstable server working...would anybody like kde 3.4.1 binaries? 10:52 < jefferai> asparagui: my guess is that they're not going to be interested 10:52 < RangerRick> people are welcome to, as long as they know it's not officially supported :) 10:53 * RangerRick is working on binaries to be put in the bindist right now 10:53 < asparagui> heh. 10:53 < asparagui> i was just proud of myself for figuring out the apt sources stuff. 10:54 < jefferai> RangerRick: Want any of my 443 debs, mostly from source? :-) 10:55 < asparagui> rr: is the hope that with qt4 you're gonna work again on kde/mac? 10:55 * jefferai wants to see kde/win 10:56 -!- dk0r [~dk0r@cpe-24-194-171-176.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #fink 10:56 < RangerRick> jefferai: not if they're built against unstable 10:56 < RangerRick> asparagui: I've started working on it again 10:56 < RangerRick> jefferai: I'm moving kde to stable 10:56 < jefferai> RangerRick: it was a joke 10:56 < RangerRick> and building against the 0.8.0 binaries 10:56 < jefferai> I know :-) 10:57 < jefferai> actually, most of those binaries aren't kde...the vast majority 10:57 < jefferai> so if you want any of them to put in unstable-binary, let me know and I can send a list 10:57 < RangerRick> our problem with an unstable bindist is not a matter of people having binaries to donate, it's trusting them :) 10:57 < RangerRick> no offense 10:57 < RangerRick> ;) 10:58 < dk0r> any get debianppc running on a pb g4 17" (ati) 10:58 * jefferai had a talk with dmacks a while back about doing devel work, so isn't really sure what he should be doing to help 10:58 < dk0r> ? 10:58 < jefferai> none taken, I understand 10:59 < asparagui> well, would anybody care to test my server? make sure i have port forwarding and all that goodness working? 10:59 -!- BleedAway [whocares@saus04.usc.es] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:02 < RangerRick> new gnome-keyring package doesn't properly replace the old shlibs 11:02 * RangerRick will go fix it 11:16 < vasi> RR, woops 11:16 < vasi> what'd i do wrong? 11:16 < RangerRick> didn't replace %N-shlibs (<< 0.4.3-1) 11:16 < RangerRick> the shlibs used to (wrongly) have the foo.dylib in it 11:17 < vasi> oh really? there were so many other problems i didn't even notice that one :-) 11:17 < RangerRick> hehe 11:17 < jefferai> mmm...foo 11:17 < jefferai> I mean, food 11:17 * vasi goes to see who packaged that originally so i can yell at them 11:18 < pogma> wasn't me 11:18 < vasi> !lart kconger 11:18 * Melian throws kconger's poor little doggy off a cliff 11:19 < pogma> poor keith 11:19 < newmanbe> !lart da' bot for hurting poor little doggies 11:19 * Melian whips out her power stapler and staples da' bot's foot to the floor for hurting poor little doggies 11:20 -!- dk0rr [~dk0r@cpe-24-194-171-176.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #fink 11:20 < pogma> he never really got any thanks for all the work he did, just bugs and complaints 11:21 < RangerRick> yeah 11:21 -!- dk0rr [~dk0r@cpe-24-194-171-176.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 11:21 -!- dk0rr [~dk0r@cpe-24-194-171-176.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #fink 11:23 < vasi> i guess i just wish he woulda let other folks know what was going on 11:23 < vasi> mebbe i'm just pissed cuz he took nautilus from me -> gnome-core and then let it languish in experimental for a year or so 11:33 -!- dk0r [~dk0r@cpe-24-194-171-176.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:43 -!- KraMer_ is now known as KraMer 11:44 < akh> asparagui: Be careful about giving out the address of your server. Somebody was trying to install Tiger KDE stuff on a Panther box from mine--I didn't realize they had kept it in their sources.list. 11:50 -!- dk0rr [~dk0r@cpe-24-194-171-176.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [] 11:52 < cirdan> akh: right, but the auto depends on >= darwin should help ppl from screwing themselves too badly 11:52 < akh> That would, yes. 11:58 < asparagui> heh. 11:58 < asparagui> all i got is the 10.4-transitional tree. 11:59 < vasi> smtplib.SMTPSenderRefused: (452, 'Space shortage, please try later', 'vasi@projects.sourceforge.net') 11:59 < akh> That's all I had, too-but my directory structure didn't indicate as such. 11:59 < vasi> that doesn't look good 11:59 < asparagui> good to know. 12:00 < asparagui> the main thing i wanted was so that i could compile on my server and install on my little pb here. 12:00 < asparagui> and now i find rr is finally pushing the binary through. ;-) 12:01 < asparagui> btw, somebody could add bundle-gnome to the stable dist pretty easy. 12:01 < asparagui> there's only one package left uncompiled. 12:01 -!- joshmoz [~joshmoz@covad-mozilla.meer.net] has joined #fink 12:02 < euthydemus> when should executables be put in there own directory? 12:02 < euthydemus> their woops 12:03 < akh> They generally are. 12:04 < akh> (well, multiple different directories---/bin,/sbin, /usr/bin, /usr/sbin, /sw/bin, /sw/sbin...) 12:04 < euthydemus> Should I put 37 cli tools in /sw/bin or /sw/bin/whatever? 12:04 < akh> For a Fink package? 12:04 < euthydemus> where whatever is the package name 12:05 < euthydemus> yes 12:05 < euthydemus> I see some packages create their own folder in /sw/bin 12:05 < akh> You could go either way. 12:06 < euthydemus> I see 12:06 < akh> The only issue is that you'd need to extend the PATH. 12:07 < euthydemus> So adding --execdir to the configure params doesn't automatically do that? 12:08 < akh> I mean for the user to be able to run the binaries. ;-) 12:08 < akh> Fink doesn't normally do user-account level stuff. 12:08 < RangerRick> and unless you have a very specific need I would suggest against putting your stuff in a subdirectory of bin or sbin 12:08 < euthydemus> I see 12:08 < euthydemus> Doesn't matter how many? 12:09 < RangerRick> as long as they don't have the same names as other stuff ;) 12:09 < akh> dpkg keeps track of all of the files anyway, so there's no problem telling where they came from. 12:09 < euthydemus> Gotcha 12:10 < euthydemus> I will submit as is - in /sw/bin. Less work really:) Thanks 12:11 < akh> And if some file from your package collides (e.g. because of case insensitivity) , rename yours. 12:12 < euthydemus> No problem. .deb validates:) 12:13 < RangerRick> validate doesn't mean it doesn't conflict, but you're likely OK 12:14 < euthydemus> I see. You just have to try install? 12:14 < akh> Yup. Then dpkg will complain vigorously about any overlapping files. 12:14 < RangerRick> well, it's more like, if your package has a /sw/bin/foo and package bar has an /sw/bin/foo it will fail 12:15 < RangerRick> but you'd have to have bar installed to know there's overlap 12:15 < euthydemus> right 12:15 < RangerRick> so don't worry about it :) 12:15 < RangerRick> you'll get bug reports if it gets in theway 12:15 < akh> Right--hopefully somebody will find such a thing before the package migrates to stable. 12:16 < akh> yay--got the new xcircuit to build on Tiger. 12:16 < akh> Time to tear upstream a new one for making me have to use a .patch file and also for having a /sw reference in their ./configure 12:17 < akh> (the latter didn't cause any problems, though--my .info file is more solid than that) 12:19 < akh> hmm...maybe--better check that. 12:22 < RangerRick> hehe 12:24 -!- Feanor [~astrange@feanor.developer.opendarwin] has quit [] 12:27 < vasi> hmm, do you suppose beagle is port-able? 12:33 < RangerRick> don't see why not 12:33 < RangerRick> would be cool to make a spotlight plugin that can bridge to beagle plugins :) 12:33 < RangerRick> let spotlight index everything beagle knows 12:34 < jefferai> beagle is probably portable but it's a pain in the ass on Linux systems 12:34 < jefferai> probably would be on OSX too 12:37 -!- nkuttler [nicolas@server.asta.uni-saarland.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:47 < vasi> it used to require a kernel module, not sure if it does anymore 12:47 < jefferai> as of about a month ago it did 12:47 < jefferai> (which is when I tried it last) 12:48 < jefferai> and required certain patches to the kernel ahead of time, too 12:54 < RangerRick> the kernel stuff it needs is probably similar to the fs-watching stuff osx already does though 12:55 < vasi> probably 12:55 < vasi> i think it's more focused though 12:55 < vasi> RR, can you think of any reason that when injecting, fink currently does 'fink install fink' rather than 'fink install fink-%v-%r' ? 12:56 * robilad wonders how to tell a tiger client its Search Domains via DHCP? 12:56 < vasi> robilad, i'm not sure but i suspect it does that automagically unless you tell it not to 13:01 -!- asparagui [~billy@mo-71-1-109-215.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net] has quit ["hot, wet and naked...you know what that means..."] 13:03 < robilad> vasi, well, yeah, for the local domain. I 13:03 < knghtbrd> hmm, if svn is gonna use apache's auth mechanism, somebody has to come up with a sane way for people to set their htpasswd 13:03 < robilad> d like to add a few more, but I can't find any docs on the supported dhcp extensions. 13:04 < knghtbrd> some SSL form maybe where you enter a username, the pwgen output you were given, and your desired passwd.. 13:04 < RangerRick> vasi: nothing comes to mind 13:15 -!- joshmoz [~joshmoz@covad-mozilla.meer.net] has quit [] 13:19 -!- rayban [~rayban@AClermont-Ferrand-251-1-46-41.w81-251.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #fink 13:19 < rayban> thanks cirdan for your help, i managed it 13:19 < Melian> bitte, rayban 13:21 < newmanbe> Melian: But did you actually help? 13:23 < newmanbe> cirdan: As the self-appointed Anti-Violence/Profanity Director for the Peer-Directed Projects Center, you are requested to remove alicekill for Melian. :-p 13:24 -!- BleedAway [whocares@saus04.usc.es] has joined #fink 13:24 -!- euthydemus [~mhough@host81-156-193-43.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:25 -!- rayban [~rayban@AClermont-Ferrand-251-1-46-41.w81-251.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ["Leaving"] 13:30 < RangerRick> how about we remove you! 13:30 < RangerRick> that's how it works in soviet russia 13:31 < akh> That's not a good working example, though. 13:31 < newmanbe> No, it's not. 13:31 < newmanbe> Because then I would secretly defect. 13:31 < newmanbe> And escape from the firing squad. 13:33 < akh> OTOH there's always /kickban 13:33 < RangerRick> true 13:33 < newmanbe> Then I would log-in and back in again. 13:33 < newmanbe> You don't want to ban till too, do you? 13:34 < RangerRick> small price to pay ;) 13:34 < newmanbe> A fellow KDE-er person no less? 13:34 * RangerRick grins 13:34 < akh> Gaaaah! 13:34 < akh> "fink cleanup" is borked! 13:34 < vasi> uh oh 13:34 < vasi> HEAD or 0.24.x? 13:35 < newmanbe> !comfort fink cleanup 13:35 < Melian> There, there, fink cleanup. It's OK. I'm here for you. 13:35 < newmanbe> Have fun fixing it! :) 13:35 < newmanbe> Oops... 13:35 < newmanbe> !comfort akh 13:35 < Melian> There, there, akh. It's OK. I'm here for you. 13:35 < vasi> er, thanks 13:35 < akh> HEAD--it doesn't remove source cruft from %p/src/fink.build 13:35 < vasi> hm 13:35 < akh> (that may also apply on 0.24.x) 13:36 < akh> Removing obsolete files from %p/src is fine 13:36 < vasi> ah you're right 13:38 < akh> and I've got two openoffice.org build residues to show for it. 13:39 < vasi> yeah, ok, i'm looking at it :-) 13:42 < till> Hm? What? Heh? :) 13:42 < till> RangerRick: you wouldn't ban me, would you? 13:42 < newmanbe> No, he wouldn't. 13:42 < RangerRick> :) 13:42 < RangerRick> nah 13:43 < RangerRick> you're safe 13:43 < RangerRick> FOR NOW 13:43 < jefferai> haha 13:46 -!- Feanor [~astrange@64.207.61.218] has joined #fink 13:46 < vasi> wait a sec akh..."source cruft" == tarballs? or directories? 13:47 < akh> directories 13:47 -!- dmacks_away is now known as dmacks 13:47 < akh> (there are no tarballs in %p/src/fink.build ;-) ) 13:47 < vasi> yeah, that's why i'm asking 13:47 < akh> Right--it's just directories 13:47 < vasi> hi dmacks, i updated the fix for Repair Perms based on input from msachs 13:48 < vasi> i also made injecting install exactly the version of the package that's being injected 13:48 < vasi> i'm not sure if the mails got through to fink-commits because syncmail sucks 13:49 < newmanbe> s/syncmail/SourceForge.net/ 13:49 < vasi> akh, uh...is cleanup SUPPOSED to delete directories? 13:49 < vasi> cuz we have a comment: # For now, do *not* remove directories - this could easily kill a build running in another process 13:49 < dmacks> Yeah...lists.sf has been lagged past +/- day...just stating to catch up. 13:49 < dmacks> Those two changes sound fine. 13:50 < vasi> did you take a look at the diffs? 13:50 -!- euthydemus [~mhough@host81-156-193-43.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #fink 13:50 < akh> vasi: I thought 'cleanup' rmdir'ed all directories in /sw/src and did indeed screw up builds running in another process. 13:50 < akh> (originally, anyway) 13:51 < euthydemus> I am getting a configure error: checking for GL/gl.h... no. Where are the GL headers? Thanks. 13:51 < vasi> euthydemus, i think they;re installed with X11 13:52 < akh> vasi: Ah--nm...the original behavior was apparently changed, judging by my /sw/src 13:52 < dmacks> cleanup is supposed to remove old and obsolete stuff, not residues and stuff you *asked* for. 13:52 < euthydemus> I have X11 installed 13:52 < vasi> yeah, the srcdir removal was taken out a long long time ago 13:52 < akh> euthydemus: Do you have the X11SDK ? 13:53 < akh> vasi: ah 13:53 < akh> Easy enough to do sudo rm -rf /sw/src/fink.build/* 13:53 < euthydemus> I have the receipt 13:53 < dmacks> The only reasons you'd have sourcedirs would be if you asked for them (-K or -k) or if a build crashed. In the former case, it's there cuz you told it to be there. In the latter case, presumably you'd be trying it again soon enough which will replace it. And/or you're working on debugging it. 13:53 < vasi> akh, if it's important to you, i bet you could use the currently installed buildlocks to write a directory-removal option that doesn't break current builds 13:53 < akh> It's not that important to me. 13:54 < akh> ;-) 13:54 < vasi> :-) 13:54 < dmacks> buildlocks would allow dir removal to not-nuke active builds. 13:54 < dmacks> (...as vasi said, damn netlag!) 13:54 < vasi> hehe 13:54 < vasi> great minds and all that 13:54 < akh> euthydemus: maybe Apple's installer dropped the file. 13:55 < euthydemus> no I see it: /usr/X11R6/include/GL/gl.h 13:55 < akh> hmm... 13:55 < euthydemus> I guess the ./configure is screwed up 13:55 < vasi> can we see your config.log? 13:56 < vasi> !lisppaste 13:56 < Melian> hmm... lisppaste is paste your errors at http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink instead of flooding the channel 13:56 < euthydemus> sure thing 13:56 * vasi spelled it right for once :-) 13:56 < dmacks> euthydemus: Are you trying a fink package build, or just something you're doing by hand? 13:56 < euthydemus> another fink package 13:57 < akh> vasi: You could just ask the lisppaste bot its URL using tab-completion. ;-) 13:57 < vasi> akh, yeah but i still always get it wrong, i'm talented that way 13:57 < akh> heh 14:00 < newmanbe> cirdan: Did you reset-Melian's database at all? 14:00 < newmanbe> Melian: forget lisppaste 14:00 < Melian> newmanbe: i forgot lisppaste 14:00 < lisppaste> euthydemus pasted "Register-1.3.5 configure error" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9853 14:00 -!- TheSin [~TheSin@iphost-64-56-130-194.edm.wiband.net] has joined #fink 14:00 -!- msachs [~msachs@17.255.96.176] has joined #fink 14:01 < newmanbe> Melian: lisppaste is You can use lisppaste to paste errors at http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink , instead of flooding the channel. 14:01 < Melian> newmanbe: okay 14:01 < vasi> hi msachs....new repair perms fix went into CVS :-) 14:01 < vasi> thanks for the advice 14:01 < Melian> vasi: de rien 14:01 < msachs> vasi: Cool. 14:01 < msachs> np 14:01 < newmanbe> Bad Melian! 14:02 < dmacks> vasi: looks good. May as well use Apple's toolbox to fix Apple's bug. 14:03 < dmacks> euthydemus: You said you're using Apple's X11, and have never installed xorg or xfree86, yes? 14:03 < euthydemus> Yes 14:03 < euthydemus> I have the receipts in my Library 14:03 < vasi> is there any way at all to get a 'patchset' out of cvs? ie: everything committed at the same time 14:04 < dmacks> You can diff based on dates instead of revision codes. 14:04 < msachs> vasi: You can use -D to specify a date... but no, CVS commits aren't atomic. 14:04 < euthydemus> I haven't applied any fink wrapper package. Is there still one of those to apply? 14:04 < dmacks> (it only sorta works) 14:04 < vasi> yeah, i've tried that before with only some luck 14:05 * dmacks wishes one could do math with tags and revisions) 14:05 < dmacks> You could update -D, then diff -rHEAD? 14:06 -!- Fang [~Fang@AToulon-151-1-65-161.w86-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ["Don't forget, kids... the faster you download, the bigger your penis is."] 14:06 < dmacks> (assuming you care about the most-recent N changes) 14:08 < dmacks> euthydemus: So this is a pkg you're writing? It's not unusual to need to pass [all kinds of crazy flags for stuff ./configure *should* find automatically] :( 14:09 < dmacks> Check ./configure --help to see if there's a specific flag for x11 paths. 14:09 < euthydemus> Understood. I might just need to pass it GL location? 14:09 < vasi> weird....why did drm backport only half of my spotlight warning stuff? 14:09 < dmacks> ...or gl paths. 14:09 < euthydemus> right. thanks 14:10 < dmacks> dunno vasi 14:16 < akh> Maybe he see the other half? (dunno how that would have happened) 14:16 < akh> oops-- "he didn't see" 14:17 -!- Murr [~neeri@A17-202-20-71.apple.com] has joined #fink 14:17 < akh> ouch: libcdparanoia0-dev looks like it's going to be trouble. 14:21 < vasi> ooh new mathematica 14:23 < msachs> Does it support new math? 14:23 < Murr> I'm sure it has exciting new license manager features 14:23 < akh> yup 14:23 < vasi> i thought it was MATLAB with the ugly license manager? 14:24 < dmacks> akh: Yeah, cdparanoia is already a pain for us.. 14:24 < dmacks> msachs: Yeah, whatever answer you get, "that's okay, your answer is your alone, it's not 'wrong'" 14:25 < msachs> There are no right or wrong answers, only differently special ones. 14:25 -!- baba [~baba@YahooBB220041000208.bbtec.net] has joined #fink 14:25 < dmacks> Yup. 14:25 < RangerRick> !lart Roxio for putting a toast update .dmg inside a .zip 14:25 * Melian teaches Roxio the basics, including how to RTM for putting a toast update .dmg inside a .zip 14:25 < akh> vasi: /me remembered 3.0 for windows being ugly--but that was because I had a student version. 14:26 < vasi> Mathematica for OS X is actually quite pretty 14:26 < dmacks> "It's just that some are specially *wrong*, and *you* are the one that keeps getting them, dumbass!" 14:26 < akh> vasi: I meant the licensure. 14:26 < akh> RangerRick: could have been worse: they could have put a gzipped dmg inside a zip. 14:26 < RangerRick> hehe 14:26 < vasi> and binhexed it :-) 14:27 < dmacks> Wot, no .cpt ? 14:27 < jefferai> while they're at it, they could have Aced it 14:27 < jefferai> or LHA'd it 14:27 < dmacks> rot13 14:28 < akh> rar 14:28 < vasi> hmm, we could really use a way to do a limited release of 0.24.8 for testing before throwing it at thousands of people using unstable 14:30 < Murr> sombody recently asked when fink 1.0 was going to come out. Do we have an answer? 14:30 < dmacks> Laughter is a *kind* of answer, right? 14:30 < vasi> fink-the-distro or fink-the-package-manager? 14:30 < Murr> distro, I s'pose 14:30 < Murr> although the same question applies to the package manager 14:31 < dmacks> "We don't know" 14:32 < dmacks> Fink-1.x.0 will probably happen when fink-1.0.0 happens. 14:37 < vasi> if you'd like to propose some criteria for 1.x, feel free :-) 14:37 < vasi> but we really have no idea atm, so we're just sticking with bumping minor versions 14:37 < jefferai> vasi: it could work 14:37 * jefferai ducks 14:37 < jefferai> hehehe 14:39 -!- joshmoz [~joshmoz@covad-mozilla.meer.net] has joined #fink 14:40 < akh> vasi: reliable build-depend hot-swapping 14:40 < vasi> that's our criteria for 0.23 getting kicked out of stable :-) 14:41 < akh> Cool. 14:42 < akh> How 'bout a "fink-buildlock-cleanup" command--removes all stale locks? 14:42 < vasi> how do you tell what's stale? 14:43 < jefferai> if it's mushy instead of crunchy 14:44 < vasi> jefferai, go harass the Gentoo guys or something :-P 14:44 < jefferai> I do that on their bugzilla 14:44 < akh> vasi: Yeah--good point. 14:44 < jefferai> :-) 14:45 < akh> vasi: Maybe by the datestamp? 14:45 < dmacks> We could stash the pid that created the lock, then check if it still exists (...is what CPAN shell does), but that would for people who have multiple admins using a shared (remote) /sw volume. (does anyone do this?) 14:45 < vasi> but building openoffice probably takes 3 years :-) 14:45 < akh> not for me--it fails very quickly 14:46 < jefferai> heh 14:46 < vasi> dmacks, i think someone said that didn't work 14:46 < vasi> (using a remote /sw) 14:47 < vasi> do pid's never get reused? 14:47 < msachs> How about flock? 14:47 < vasi> yeah, that sounds better msachs 14:47 < msachs> fink process takes an exclusive lock on the buildlock, cleanup process makes a non-blocking attempt to obtain the lock. 14:47 < dmacks> That is false. It's a pid_t or somesuch. 14:48 < vasi> that's pretty much what i do for indexing with multiple index-dirs 14:48 < vasi> akh, so wanna write that? :-) 14:48 < vasi> cuz /me is busy backporting! 14:48 * akh will get that done about the time OS XII is out. 14:49 < dmacks> Note that almost all major server software uses .pid files to find themselves. 14:49 < vasi> dmacks, true! 14:50 < vasi> i thought they remove the .pid on quit though, so reuse wouldn't break 14:50 < jefferai> usually they do 14:50 < dmacks> ...assumine they quit gracefully, i.e., the way nothing at all does on 10.3 14:53 < dmacks> But regardless of the mechanism, if we had some way to check whether a lock were actually in use, we could get rid of one of the stale-lock problems entirely (relocking on same pkg could safely kill the old stale one automatically) 14:54 < vasi> i like the flock solution 14:55 < vasi> psst cirdan, want some brownie points? 14:55 < vasi> :-) 14:56 -!- linuxmaniac [~maniac@166.Red-81-34-4.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #fink 14:57 < dmacks> vasi: Did the classes-of-prompts timeout stuff go into 0.24? 14:57 < vasi> no 14:58 < newmanbe> Brownies! 14:58 < dmacks> Girl scouts! 14:58 < newmanbe> Are the points like tickets? 14:58 < newmanbe> The more points I get, the more brownies I get? 14:58 < vasi> i'm not sure it's an important enough thing to backport 14:58 < vasi> but if you'd like to, go ahead :-) 14:59 -!- linuxmaniac [~maniac@166.Red-81-34-4.pooles.rima-tde.net] has left #fink ["Leaving"] 14:59 < newmanbe> Sigh, X11 crashing. 14:59 < newmanbe> And it's just past the scrollback too. 14:59 < newmanbe> Now I'll have to find out where/if it logs to. 15:00 -!- ringerc [~craig@dsl-202-72-144-62.wa.westnet.com.au] has quit ["Whoops, someone let the magic smoke out!"] 15:00 < akh> newmanbe: check console.log 15:01 < newmanbe> Not Mac OS X. 15:01 < newmanbe> It has no console.log. 15:01 * akh has been corrupted: X11==Apple's X11 15:01 < dmacks> vasi: Actually, I was gona say "don't backport it...I occasionally have problems with it", but haven't had time to isolate them as more than random annoyances. 15:01 < vasi> what kind of problems? 15:02 < vasi> it's worked pretty flawlessly for me 15:02 < dmacks> I've never set anything in fink.conf; ever'once in a while something will say "choosing default in [whatever]" then immediately choose default. 15:03 < vasi> prompts that normally have no timeout? 15:03 < vasi> cuz some of them do timeout by default, not many though 15:04 < dmacks> Propmpts that normally *do* have timeout, but the timeout became zero. 15:04 < vasi> yikes 15:04 < dmacks> As if it's reading "no entry in fink.conf" as "0" 15:05 < akh> As opposed to "the null set" 15:06 < vasi> but it doesn't happen every time? 15:06 < vasi> hmm...is the [whatever] zero, or a normal number? 15:08 < dmacks> Can't remember. This has happened 2-3 times total, lways when I'm deep in package-building-land, always forget the note the details:( 15:08 < vasi> damn...maybe we have a stray alarm that's not being canceled? 15:08 < vasi> er...but that would screw up other things 15:09 < vasi> is it possible that you accidentally hit enter earlier? that bites me occasionally 15:10 < vasi> ie: package is building, i activate the wrong window and hit enter in the build window, then hours later something reads stdin 15:11 < dmacks> Dunno. (we discussed clearing STDIN during prompting, found it was hard/not-very-portable perhaps?) 15:12 < vasi> i don't remember talking about that, but you're probably right about it being difficult! 15:13 < dmacks> Several CPAN pkgs take several approaches, nothing seems easy. 15:17 < akh> Replace the prompt with an Aqua dialog box. ;-) 15:17 < dmacks> Maybe I'll look again...sometime...soon...ish... 15:18 * akh is of course kidding 15:18 -!- Albie [~ambs@82.155.36.99] has joined #fink 15:18 * akh uses remote stuff waaaay too much to advocate anything non-CLI 15:18 < newmanbe> Like the silly setup-window for paths. 15:19 < dmacks> No akh, that's a good idea...given that I do some fink coding under linux, that way I wouldn't have to do any testing at all:) 15:19 < newmanbe> That does have a CLI to do it too though. 15:19 < akh> dmacks: heh 15:19 -!- xhrl [~ThomasW@24.80.39.250] has joined #fink 15:19 -!- xhrl [~ThomasW@24.80.39.250] has quit [Client Quit] 15:23 < akh> mmmm...0.24.99.cvs 15:24 < akh> Why not 999? 15:24 < akh> Though 99 is pretty far off as far as our versions go, too. 15:37 < dmacks> If we get to 98, I already have permission to hunt down vasi. Then you can bump it to 999 15:46 < cirdan> yo 15:46 < cirdan> someone call me? 15:47 < cirdan> vasi: WHATS UP 15:47 < cirdan> oops 15:47 < newmanbe> Stop yelling! 15:47 < cirdan> XAR! 15:49 < newmanbe> xar! 15:54 < akh> ow! my ears! 15:58 -!- ambs_ [~ambs@bl5-164-23.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #fink 15:59 * newmanbe wonders what happened to portbot. 16:00 < baba> anyone familiar with qt? 16:00 < newmanbe> RangerRick? 16:01 < akh> Who is probably all too familiar with it. 16:01 < dmacks> hehe 16:02 < RangerRick> what about it? 16:02 < baba> i think i switched to Chinese on MacOSX, and Qt/X11 turns to use Chinese font by default 16:02 < baba> i think, but im not sure 16:03 < baba> on Qt apps like Linguist 16:03 < baba> could it happen? 16:06 < RangerRick> baba: I have no idea 16:06 < RangerRick> I've built qt, but I've never used it with a non-english language 16:07 < RangerRick> might want to look into general qt forums, it wouldn't be a mac-specific thing, I woudl think 16:07 * baba gives RangerRick a japanese textbook 16:12 -!- Albie [~ambs@82.155.36.99] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:13 -!- ambs_ is now known as Albie 16:26 -!- Albie [~ambs@bl5-164-23.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:29 -!- akh [~akhansen@ldx3.psfc.mit.edu] has left #fink [] 16:39 < dmacks> Do we think clearing stdin at each prompt*() is a Good Idea? 16:41 < lisppaste> dmacks pasted "perl oddity" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9855 16:41 -!- emp__ [~emp@70.57.239.37] has joined #fink 16:47 < RangerRick> dmacks: stdin? yeah, probably 16:48 -!- TheSin [~TheSin@iphost-64-56-130-194.edm.wiband.net] has left #fink ["Client exiting"] 16:49 < vasi> hey, how does #2 not work? 16:50 < newmanbe> After using Knoppix, I have concluded that I really don't need KDE. 16:51 < jefferai> howso? 16:51 -!- emp [~emp@70.57.239.37] has quit [No route to host] 16:52 < newmanbe> I don't really need all the extra stuff it provides. 16:56 < jefferai> oh 16:56 < jefferai> did you mean, you don't need it as opposed to something like twm or xfce? 16:57 < newmanbe> Yes, those have everything I need, with less overhead. 16:57 < jefferai> Yeah. 16:57 < newmanbe> But this is on the terrible path to not needing X11 at all. :) 16:57 < jefferai> heh 16:58 < jefferai> sure, you *could* do everything with ncurses... 16:58 < jefferai> or frame buffers 16:58 < jefferai> or pure plain text 16:58 < jefferai> but, I dunno, I like my Firefox 16:58 < jefferai> :-) 16:58 < newmanbe> The tabs are nice. 16:59 < newmanbe> I'm sure that is only a matter of time before command line browser get that (or do some?). 16:59 < jefferai> dunno 17:00 < jefferai> Speaking of which, I love how they forked Firefox from Mozilla because Mozilla was too bloated, and a little while back I read about some people who want to fork something off Firefox because they think *it's* getting bloated 17:00 -!- emp__ is now known as emp 17:01 < jefferai> Maybe CLI browsers are the wave of the future after all 17:02 * newmanbe likes fluxbox the most of the WM's I've tried today. 17:03 < vasi> i actually like the Gnome environment, it reminds me of OS 7 17:03 < newmanbe> Ah, System 7. 17:03 < newmanbe> Even GNOME has too much decoration. 17:04 -!- joshmoz [~joshmoz@covad-mozilla.meer.net] has quit [] 17:05 < jefferai> Every time I try Gnome, I always find something I want to do with it that I can't. Or something it does that is stupid. One of those two gets on my nerves enough to make me switch. 17:06 < lisppaste> dmacks annotated #9855 with "With 10.3's perl-5.8.1" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9855#1 17:06 < vasi> most of the minimal WM's piss me off 17:06 < vasi> hmm, weird dmacks 17:07 < vasi> ("weird" means i don't want to figure out why it happens :-) ) 17:07 < jefferai> dmacks: have you tried it with 10.4's 5.8.6? 17:15 < dmacks> jefferai: Nope...my only other choice here is a RedHat perl585, for which both forms work correctly. 17:15 < newmanbe> vasi: fluxbox isn't that minimal. 17:16 < newmanbe> I don't like the ones that are WM-only. 17:16 < newmanbe> I like the menu for launching applications. 17:16 < newmanbe> Right now anyway. :) 17:24 -!- hennker [flullup@dsl-082-082-234-170.arcor-ip.net] has joined #fink 17:30 -!- Feanor [~astrange@feanor.developer.opendarwin] has quit [] 17:40 -!- flautist [errorlevel@12.171.16.136] has joined #fink 17:41 < flautist> Okay, I tried to run 'fink selfupdate' and it was going just fine, but then gave me this: 17:41 < flautist> Can't exec "make": No such file or directory at /sw/lib/perl5/Fink/Services.pm line 408. 17:41 < flautist> ### execution of make failed, exit code -1 17:41 < flautist> Failed: compiling fink-0.24.6-11 failed 17:42 < flautist> What's going on there, and how do I fix it? 17:42 < vasi> hmm, do you have XCode installed? 17:42 < flautist> I don't know.. 17:43 < vasi> fair enough :-) 17:43 < newmanbe> Do you have a folder name Developer in / ? 17:43 < flautist> I should say that I updated earlier, and it went just fine, but then I edited fink.conf to search unstable packages. The website said that after I did that I have to run selfupdate again, so I did, and that's when I got that message. 17:43 < flautist> Let me check. :) 17:44 < flautist> no, I do not. 17:44 < vasi> ok, so you need to get your CD/DVD for Panther/Tiger and install XCode 17:44 < flautist> Panther. :) 17:44 < vasi> btw, do you have X11 installed? 17:45 < vasi> if not, you might want to install X11 and the X11SDK while you're at it :-) 17:45 < flautist> Okay. :) 17:45 < newmanbe> Or install X.org. 17:45 < flautist> I don't think I do, but I knew that I would need that... I was going to install that after I updated fink. :) 17:46 < flautist> Which CD would X11 and XCode be on? 17:46 < newmanbe> Probably not the first one. 17:47 < vasi> the X11 SDK is an optional part of the XCode install 17:47 < flautist> Well, I have 3 install discs and 5 software restore. :/ 17:47 -!- Airo [ojt@vapina.org] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:47 < vasi> i think X11 User is on disc 3? 17:47 < vasi> either 2 or 3 17:47 < vasi> XCode should be on its own disk, it should say "XCode" or "developer tools" or something 17:48 < flautist> Well, then I don't have XCode if it's on it's own disk. 17:48 < flautist> 2 or 3 of the install discs? 17:49 < vasi> yeah 17:49 < flautist> Can I get XCode from apple.com? 17:49 -!- Airo [ojt@vapina.org] has joined #fink 17:50 -!- dmacks is now known as dmacks_away 17:50 < vasi> you might be able to download it from connect.apple.com 17:50 < RangerRick> xcode 2.1 is there I believe 17:50 < vasi> you have to register first, but it's free 17:51 < vasi> does 2.1 work on panther, RR? 17:51 < newmanbe> !adc 17:51 < newmanbe> Melian! 17:51 < newmanbe> !test 17:52 < Melian> Go to http://connect.apple.com/ to download the latest developer tool updates. You will need to create an account, but registration is free. 17:52 < Melian> Yes, newmanbe, you're still online. 17:52 < vasi> i think you need 1.5 17:52 < jefferai> dmacks_away: regarding the other choice (RedHat perl)...Red Hat does funky stuff sometimes, their own patches, etc...maybe that's a fix they've put in :-) 17:53 < flautist> okay 17:53 < jefferai> or maybe it's just fixed because it's more recent and it was a bug 17:53 < vasi> but then be absolutely sure to get the November update too 17:53 -!- jefferai is now known as jefferai_away 17:53 < vasi> because it fixes serious breakage in 1.5 17:54 < newmanbe> Hehehe: http://www.bugmenot.com/view.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fconnect.apple.com%2F 17:54 < newmanbe> Wonder if it still works. 17:54 < RangerRick> oh, sorry, panther 17:54 < RangerRick> xcode for panther is definitely there 17:54 -!- You're now known as RangerAway 17:55 -!- gpaci [~gpaci@ffzrouter.yorktown.arlington.k12.va.us] has joined #fink 17:56 < gpaci> Hey, all. Having problems with building quartz-wm. 17:56 < newmanbe> Hello. 17:56 < newmanbe> Apple released the source for it? Didn't know that. 17:56 < gpaci> I don't think so. It's trying to get something from X11Users.pkg . 17:56 < gpaci> But it can't seem to find it, no matter where I put it. 17:56 < newmanbe> Oh, what's the problem? 17:57 < gpaci> So I did 'fink selfupdate', which is still compiling some gettext stuff. 17:57 < gpaci> When doing a fink install of quartz-wm from source, it builds applex11tools (or something), 17:57 < gpaci> which has a little checker that looks for X11Users.pkg, and bails if it can't find it. 17:58 < gpaci> It claims you need to put the pkg "somewhere in /Volumes or /Users", but I did, to no avail. 17:58 < newmanbe> I think I used to have it, but it disappeared. 17:58 < newmanbe> I don't know. 17:58 < gpaci> The larger problem is this: I upgraded my X a while back, and now I'm stuck with twm. 17:59 < gpaci> I want things to be Aqua-like, like they were before. 18:02 -!- Airo [ojt@vapina.org] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:05 -!- Airo [ojt@vapina.org] has joined #fink 18:07 < flautist> XCode is 380 MB?!?!? 18:09 < flautist> 2 hours remaining. :P 18:10 < flautist> I guess while this is downloading I will go get some supper. If I have any more problems, I'll come back. :) 18:10 < flautist> Thanks for all the help. :) 18:10 < Melian> flautist: de nada 18:10 < flautist> bai! 18:10 -!- flautist [errorlevel@12.171.16.136] has quit ["flautist has no reason"] 18:14 < gpaci> I guess I'll look for an old Xquartz hanging around... 18:14 < gpaci> late. 18:14 < gpaci> r. 18:14 -!- gpaci [~gpaci@ffzrouter.yorktown.arlington.k12.va.us] has quit ["Leaving"] 18:14 -!- joshmoz [~joshmoz@covad-mozilla.meer.net] has joined #fink 18:15 -!- joshmoz [~joshmoz@covad-mozilla.meer.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:16 -!- EnsignRedshirt [wweckesser@horseshoe.colgate.edu] has joined #fink 18:16 < EnsignRedshirt> Hello, world. 18:18 < EnsignRedshirt> I just got a powerbook this week. I've never used a mac before. 18:19 < EnsignRedshirt> Can I mix stuff from fink and from darwinports? 18:19 < htodd> it's bad for you 18:19 < htodd> send it to me 18:19 < EnsignRedshirt> htodd: :) 18:19 < jefferai_away> EnsignRedshirt: you can 18:19 < jefferai_away> it's a really bad idea 18:19 < jefferai_away> but you can 18:19 < EnsignRedshirt> To be honest, I already miss debian :) 18:19 < htodd> I was about to say, it's not simple 18:20 < EnsignRedshirt> But there appear to be packages in darwinports that are not in fink. 18:20 < EnsignRedshirt> Math stuff: cln, ginac 18:20 < jefferai_away> actually, it's simple, just a bad idea 18:21 < jefferai_away> you can have separate fink and darwinports environments 18:21 < jefferai_away> since, for instance, fink is self contained except for a few packages (like Xorg) 18:21 < jefferai_away> but actually *mixing* packages is hard and a very bad idea 18:21 < EnsignRedshirt> jefferai_away: Yeah, I noticed that when I installed tetex from fink, I also got xfree86. 18:22 < jefferai_away> ? 18:22 < jefferai_away> just installing tetex? 18:22 < EnsignRedshirt> jefferai_away: I used "apt-get install tetex", and got scads of stuff. 18:23 < jefferai_away> oh 18:23 < EnsignRedshirt> ...including xfree86. 18:23 < jefferai_away> you really should use fink install tetex 18:23 < jefferai_away> since it will give you certain options that I don't believe fink does 18:23 < jefferai_away> err 18:23 < jefferai_away> that I don't believe apt-get does 18:24 < jefferai_away> like, do you want to install xfree86, or xorg, or use apple's x server 18:24 < EnsignRedshirt> jefferai_away: Oh. Well, I saw "apt-get" and I was relieved to be on familiar turf. 18:24 < jefferai_away> apt-get is used in the background by fink but you probably don't want to use it directly 18:24 < jefferai_away> also because there's not always binary packages for fink 18:24 < jefferai_away> apt-get won't see that 18:24 < jefferai_away> but fink will 18:24 < jefferai_away> so apt-get may see xfree86 as your only option because, say, maybe it's the only one with binaries 18:25 < EnsignRedshirt> jefferai_away: So is it not normal for xfree86 to be installed? 18:25 < jefferai_away> even though compiling from source shouldn't be a problem 18:25 < jefferai_away> personally I wouldn't install xfree86...I'd install xorg 18:25 < EnsignRedshirt> Is there a way to avoid xfree86/xorg entirely? 18:26 < jefferai_away> I don't know, I haven't looked at what tetex depends on or why 18:26 < jefferai_away> although generally you don't view .dvi files on the command line :-) 18:27 < EnsignRedshirt> After I installed tetex, I installed itexmac, but it couldn't find that pdflatex command. 18:34 < jefferai_away> I dunno..haven't played with that 18:34 < jefferai_away> I gotta go though 18:40 < EnsignRedshirt> Is there is fink GUI? Maybe something like Synaptic Package Manager in debian? 18:40 < EnsignRedshirt> s/is fink/a fink/ 18:41 < cirdan> EnsignRedshirt: fink commander 18:41 < EnsignRedshirt> Thanks. 18:41 < Melian> EnsignRedshirt: pas de quoi 18:43 -!- baba [~baba@YahooBB220041000208.bbtec.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 18:46 -!- Murr [~neeri@A17-202-20-71.apple.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 18:48 -!- hennker [flullup@dsl-082-082-234-170.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["leaving"] 19:01 -!- EnsignRedshirt [wweckesser@horseshoe.colgate.edu] has left #fink [] 19:15 < newmanbe> Bad Melian! 19:22 < newmanbe> Yay! Intel offices raided! 19:23 -!- jessealama [~user@c-24-118-133-58.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #fink 19:24 -!- pHatidic_ [~Snak@ool-43562074.dyn.optonline.net] has quit ["installing 10.4.2"] 19:30 -!- pogma [~peter@pogma.developer.opendarwin] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 19:36 -!- pHatidic [~Snak@ool-43562074.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #fink 19:37 -!- pogma [~peter@pogma.developer.opendarwin] has joined #fink 19:40 -!- Murr [~neeri@A17-202-20-71.apple.com] has joined #fink 19:42 < vasi> oooh 10.4.2 19:42 < vasi> i wonder if it has more bugs or less? :-) 19:42 -!- runelind [~mattias@129.82.99.185] has quit ["leaving"] 19:43 < Murr> all the bugs were upgraded 19:43 < Murr> some of them crash an order of magnitude faster 19:43 < Murr> some crash with a new appearance 19:43 < Murr> and some crash in additional languages 19:44 < vasi> but does it come with a Crash Manager? 19:48 < pHatidic> my desktop is still messed up with 10.4.2 19:49 < pHatidic> for some reason when i installed 10.4.2, when I sort desktop icons by kind and snap them to the grid, the columns are like 3 inches apart instead of being next pretty close to eachother 19:49 < pHatidic> so it looks really weird 19:49 < cirdan> haha 19:49 < vasi> guess someone at apple is too used to 30 inch screens 19:49 < cirdan> pHatidic: do you have show item info on? 19:50 < cirdan> so it tells u how many items are in the dirs? 19:50 < pHatidic> cirdan: no 19:53 < pHatidic> http://alexkrupp.com/picture_library/desktop.png 19:53 -!- vasi [~vasi@modemcable133.147-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [] 19:53 < pHatidic> this is what it looks like, it is ridiculous 19:58 -!- runelind [~mattias@ramnet.colostate.edu] has joined #fink 20:07 -!- jessealama [~user@c-24-118-133-58.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:17 < newmanbe> In the tradition of people blaming Fink for messing up their computer: 20:17 < newmanbe> Knoppix broke my computer! 20:17 < cirdan> knoppix > newmanbe 20:17 < cirdan> :-) 20:17 < newmanbe> The BIOS won't recognise either hard drive. 20:17 -!- kalessin [~crhalpin@adsl-68-78-232-23.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has joined #fink 20:18 < newmanbe> I hate its BIOS. 20:18 < newmanbe> Even before this. 20:18 < newmanbe> I liked the BIOS on the IBM I used to have. 20:18 < newmanbe> But noooo, it had to have a slower clock speed. 20:19 < cirdan> heh 20:23 < newmanbe> Oh well, at least I think Knoppix still works. 20:24 < newmanbe> Uh, actually, I'm not so sure it does. 20:24 < newmanbe> NO! 20:25 * newmanbe disconnects everything from the computer. 20:25 < newmanbe> Oh yeah, there was something about Dell computers and apm, that might actually work. 20:25 < newmanbe> Of course, it's not a Dell. 20:26 < newmanbe> I had too many things connected to the back. Take awhile to put it back together. :-p 20:35 -!- flautist [errorlevel@12.171.16.136] has joined #fink 20:36 < flautist> I'm back. :) 20:36 < flautist> It's updating okay now, but I'm getting an odd message during the update: 20:36 < flautist> WARNING: You are using a version of gcc which is known to produce incorrect 20:36 < flautist> output from C++ code under certain circumstances. 20:36 < flautist> What does this mean? 20:37 < cirdan> update youre dev tools 20:37 < cirdan> connect.apple.com 20:38 < newmanbe> If you're using Mac OS X 10.3, you'll probably need the November 2004 Update. 20:39 -!- dk0r [~dk0r@cpe-24-194-171-176.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #fink 20:40 < flautist> newmanbe: Where would that be? 20:41 < flautist> I'm looking, and I don't see a Nov. 2004 update. :/ 20:41 < flautist> I'm at connect.apple.com under developer tools. 20:41 < newmanbe> I don't know, there's a whole slew of sometimes overlapping stuff. 20:41 < newmanbe> That's were I'd look. 20:42 < flautist> oh, wait, is it the GCC update? 20:42 < flautist> I was looking at XCode updates. :P 20:42 < flautist> But there is a Nov. '04 GCC update. :) 20:42 < flautist> I take it that's the one I need? 20:43 < newmanbe> That is what you need. 20:43 < flautist> alright. :) 20:43 < flautist> When I run that update, am I going to need to run selfupdate again? 20:44 < newmanbe> Probably not; won't hurt though. 20:44 < flautist> okay. :) 20:45 -!- akh [~akhansen@68-118-244-23.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #fink 20:46 < flautist> I know I'm asking a lot of questions... I really appreciate the help. :) 20:46 < newmanbe> Hmm, you're not that bad. 20:46 * newmanbe didn't even think of that. 20:47 < flautist> :) 20:48 < flautist> I'm so spoiled. This thing is downloading at a steady 30-40K, and I'm getting impatient with how "slow" it is. :P 20:48 < newmanbe> That's fairly good. 20:49 < flautist> I got too used to our college network. :P 20:49 < newmanbe> Internet2? 20:50 < flautist> I'm not sure what it was... I just know it was faster than this. 20:51 * akh went through a spell where my broadband was about as fast as good 56k dialup. 20:52 < flautist> eww 20:52 < flautist> I wouldn't be able to take that. :P 20:52 < akh> It's feeling much better now. ;-) 20:52 -!- msachs [~msachs@17.255.96.176] has quit [] 20:53 < flautist> In a way, I'm lucky that my mom was all paranoid and refused to get an internet connection... I never had to use dial-up. :P 20:53 < flautist> Of course, that has made me impatient with 30-40K download speeds, too. ;) 20:54 < flautist> This channel isn't really strict with off-topic chat, is it? 20:54 < gzl> I'm getting a bunch of "tried to dequeue a fetching object" errors when trying to update indexes of available packages in bindist, and scanpackages doesn't help. any ideas? 20:54 < flautist> I've seen freenode channels less active than this that were absolute bears when it comes to off-topic chatting. :P 20:55 < akh> gzl: that sounds like a server error. 20:55 < gzl> ok. 20:55 < pogma> flautist: It depends. 20:55 < gzl> I also have these two: 20:55 < gzl> E: Lists directory /sw/var/lib/apt/lists/partial is missing. 20:55 < gzl> E: Archive directory /sw/var/cache/apt/archives/partial is missing. 20:55 < gzl> shouldn't those be created automatically as needed? 20:56 < flautist> pogma: okay, I just didn't want to get myself or anyone else in trouble. :) 20:56 < akh> Probably--maybe they haven't been needed yet. 20:56 < newmanbe> flautist: I was just ranting on how I don't like the BIOS on one of my computers. 20:56 < akh> gzl: What server does it try to download from? 20:57 < gzl> bindist.finkmirrors.net 20:57 < flautist> This is probably a stupid question, but... If I run the GCC update while fink is updating, will it break things? 20:57 < newmanbe> sancho! 20:57 < akh> hmmm...that's nominally the right one. 20:57 < gzl> it doesn't say the actual server, that's the listing in the conf file 20:57 < akh> In any case that's the right one. 20:57 < newmanbe> flautist: Probably not. 20:57 < newmanbe> Maybe if it is compiling somthing. 20:57 < newmanbe> s/somthing/something/ 20:57 < akh> He's apt-getting. 20:58 < gzl> ok. 20:58 < gzl> I'll just try it later, I guess 20:58 < flautist> akh: me? 20:58 < akh> no 20:58 < akh> gzl 20:58 < flautist> okay 20:58 < akh> flautist: you can apt-get something if you want. ;-) 20:58 < newmanbe> The first song played by MTV is weird. 20:58 < flautist> hehe 20:58 < gzl> akh: ? 20:59 < flautist> well, I will if this thing ever finishes updating. :P 20:59 < akh> gzl--sorry, just referring 20:59 < flautist> Does fink always take this much time to update? 20:59 < flautist> It's been going for at least 30 minutes. :P 20:59 < gzl> oh, I forgot. could having gcc 4 selected have anything to do with this? 20:59 * akh checks to see if I can get by without pogma's horrible hack. 20:59 < akh> gzl: Nope 21:00 < newmanbe> Unless it's compiling, it shouldn't take that long. 21:00 < gzl> flautist: it can take a while if it's installing new versions of the core packages 21:00 < flautist> ah, okay. 21:00 < pogma> which horrible hack? 21:00 < newmanbe> Odd, I created a new folder in a save dialogue... 21:00 < akh> The -WI thing 21:00 < flautist> Well, I just installed fink this afternoon, so it probably is. :P 21:00 < newmanbe> And it has the icon of the a network disk. 21:01 < newmanbe> And doesn't seem to be a real folder. 21:01 < flautist> This is an awful lot of work just for jpilot. ;) 21:01 < newmanbe> But file says it is a directory. 21:01 < gzl> it's doing the work, not you. hopefully :) 21:01 < akh> flautist: ah! I couldn't remember where I saw your post. 21:01 < flautist> And if jpilot breaks, I will be mad. :P 21:01 < pogma> akh: Oh, for -bind_at_load 21:01 < newmanbe> It did it again. 21:02 < pogma> akh: -Wl, not -WI :-) 21:02 < akh> flautist: What flavor of PDA are you using? 21:02 < flautist> Tungsten E 21:02 < akh> flautist: Let me know if you have any luck--I had major communication issues. 21:02 < flautist> really? 21:02 < akh> I'm waiting for the next release versions of Jpilot and pilot-link to come out. 21:02 < flautist> I dual boot between OS X and Linux, and use jpilot when in Linux. 21:03 < flautist> I have no problems. 21:03 < akh> I'll probably maintain them for Fink unless somebody beats me to it. 21:03 < dk0r> whats jpilot flautist? 21:03 < flautist> I LOVE it... I like it more than Palm Desktop. :) 21:03 < dk0r> pda app? 21:03 < flautist> dk0r: An alternative to Palm Desktop. 21:03 < dk0r> .. i dont get it. whats the point of palm for nonbusiness? 21:04 < flautist> Oh, man, I use it for EVERYTHING 21:04 < dk0r> like what? 21:04 < flautist> I have an atrocious memory... if I didn't have my Palm to remind me of things, I would be lost. 21:04 * dk0r shrugs 21:04 < flautist> My schedule is in there, my TODO list is in there, my contacts... 21:04 < dk0r> seems like a salatious cell phone.. 21:04 < dk0r> pointless 21:05 < flautist> I have alarms set for things that I wouldn't otherwise remember... 21:05 * akh uses mine in situations where I don't want to drag out my laptop. 21:05 < dk0r> so 21:05 < flautist> and I also have eBooks and games on there for when I get bored. 21:05 < dk0r> ' people with bad memories' 21:05 < dk0r> how much room? 21:05 < flautist> 32 MB 21:05 < dk0r> games are lame 21:05 < dk0r> 32mb? 21:05 < dk0r> thats it? 21:05 < dk0r> ... 21:06 < akh> + cards. Don't forget about the cards. 21:06 < flautist> I also have a bible on there. :) 21:06 < dk0r> thats your storage space 21:06 < flautist> meh, I don't have a card. 21:06 < dk0r> like. .extra mem cards? 21:06 < akh> Exactly like them. 21:06 < dk0r> boy, thats killer lame. youve got an old one? 21:06 < dk0r> or.. are they making them w/ 10gigs yet 21:06 < dk0r> ? 21:06 < flautist> I have over 20 games, all 5 Harry Potter Books, and a full version of the bible, and I'm not even using up half the memory. 21:06 < akh> 8 Gigs 21:06 < dk0r> how much does that run akh 21:07 < dk0r> weight? 21:07 < dk0r> flautis, that all fits on 16mb ? 21:07 < flautist> yep 21:07 < dk0r> hrm.. 21:07 < dk0r> do u have to compress? 21:07 < flautist> nope 21:07 < dk0r> already in'pda' format? 21:08 < flautist> In fact, the books are in .doc in "Documents to Go." 21:08 < akh> I don't have one myself, but: http://www.palmone.com/us/products/mobilemanagers/lifedrive/ 21:08 < dk0r> ehrm.. 21:08 < dk0r> eh. i dont really care heh. but ty 21:08 < flautist> yep, all in "PDA" format. 21:08 < dk0r> which is what? 21:08 < flautist> oh, man, I want a Lifedrive SO BAD. 21:08 < dk0r> *.xxx ? 21:08 < flautist> .pdb and .prc 21:09 < flautist> .prc are the applications, and .pdb stands for Palm Database. 21:09 < dk0r> i got pdb 21:09 < dk0r> didnt know prc 21:09 < dk0r> heh 21:09 < dk0r> anyone a linux guru? 21:09 < akh> Which are relatively meaningless on the desktop--even though they have a common extension, the file formats differ depending on the application that creates a .pdb 21:09 * flautist needs $500 for a Lifedrive. :P 21:09 -!- vasi [~vasi@modemcable133.147-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #fink 21:10 < dk0r> akh> ya 21:10 < flautist> dk0r: I'm not a guru, but I use it. :) 21:10 < dk0r> wheres the linux freak ? 21:10 < flautist> DebianPPC 21:10 < dk0r> me too 21:10 < dk0r> ever set up a wifi device with wirelesstools ? 21:10 < dk0r> man 5 interfaces 21:10 < dk0r> or something 21:10 < dk0r> heh 21:10 < dk0r> 5 interfaces man 21:11 < flautist> no... I want to get my airport working, but I wouldn't even know where to begin. :P 21:11 < flautist> I don't think it CAN work. 21:11 < dk0r> airport 21:11 < dk0r> is not supported 21:11 < flautist> yeah, I know. :( 21:11 < dk0r> u need a pcmcia or usb/1394 device 21:11 < dk0r> well ive got an orinoco card 21:11 < dk0r> just.. need someone who knows how to configure ssh in 21:11 < flautist> well, I don't have a pcmcia slot on my laptop. :( 21:11 < vasi> airport extreme doesn't work 21:11 < dk0r> we know 21:12 < vasi> plain ol' airport works fine :-) 21:12 < dk0r> broadcom sucks 21:12 < dk0r> oh 21:12 < dk0r> well u suck 21:12 < dk0r> powerbook 17" g4 1.5 21:12 < vasi> !lart dk0r 21:12 * Melian whacks dk0r with the cluebat 21:12 -!- kalessin [~crhalpin@adsl-68-78-232-23.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has quit ["."] 21:12 * dk0r scratches bump 21:12 < flautist> hey, vasi. :) 21:13 < flautist> unfortunately, I have an airport extreme. :( 21:13 < dk0r> so? 21:13 < dk0r> nothing unfortunate about it. 21:13 < dk0r> solve the problem 21:13 < flautist> Which forces me into OS X more than I want to be, as I don't have the money currently for a USB device. :P 21:13 < dk0r> get a job 21:13 < dk0r> etc, etc 21:13 < flautist> I have a job. 21:14 < vasi> well thank goodness for fink then, flautist :-) 21:14 < flautist> But I also have a phone bill and a car and a cat. 21:14 -!- kalessin [~crhalpin@adsl-68-78-232-23.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has joined #fink 21:14 < dk0r> yeah, that sucks 21:14 < flautist> exactly, vasi. :) 21:14 < akh> *sneeze* 21:14 < vasi> labriut 21:14 < dk0r> What about mortgage/rent ? 21:14 < flautist> nah, I'm in school... I live in the dorms. 21:14 < dk0r> ahh. what for? 21:15 < vasi> what school? 21:15 < dk0r> more importantly what for 21:15 < flautist> Northern Illinois University. :) 21:15 < flautist> What do you mean, dk0r? 21:15 < dk0r> ........... 21:16 < dk0r> what do i mean:? 21:16 < dk0r> you must be a doper? 21:16 < dk0r> yeah, killer doper 21:16 < dk0r> maaan 21:16 < flautist> Are you asking my major, or the reason for attending school? 21:16 * dk0r sighs 21:16 * dk0r forfeits 21:16 * flautist wonders who the doper is... 21:17 < vasi> hi kalessin, what are the odds i can shanghai you into testing for me? :-) 21:17 < kalessin> vasi pretty good odds. 21:17 < kalessin> vasi whatcha need? 21:17 < flautist> ugh, this thing is STILL updating! 21:17 < vasi> we're planning on releasing a new fink soonish 21:17 < flautist> It's been about an hour! 21:17 < flautist> oh, no, you can't do that. 21:17 < flautist> Not when I've already spent my whole afternoon getting this one to work! 21:18 < vasi> i'm thinking about doing some kind of preliminary release, but until that's figured out just some random testing would be nice 21:18 < vasi> flautist, it's just a minor upgrade :-) 21:18 < kalessin> vasi k. where do I get the .infos? :-) 21:19 < vasi> here's the procedure for now (pre-release): get the fink module from CVS (cvs -d:whatever co fink), then set it to the 0.24 branch (cvs up -dP -r branch_0_24), then ./inject.pl 21:19 < flautist> I hope this is done soon... I have to leave in 15 minutes. :P 21:19 < vasi> where whatever depends on whether you have commit rights or not 21:19 < vasi> flautist, it will be at least a few days before release 21:19 < vasi> so don't panic 21:20 < vasi> kalessin, i'm still adding fixes to it, so you can update and re-inject every so often :-) 21:20 < flautist> Oh, I'm not talking about the release, I'm talking about this update that's STILL GOING! 21:20 < flautist> Stupid C++. :P 21:20 < vasi> well you can just leave it running 21:20 < vasi> fink doesn't need you to watch it, usually :-) 21:21 < kalessin> Ok. Well, I'm rebuilding r-base right now, so it'll be a good while before I get the new fink going. 21:21 < vasi> sure :-) 21:21 < flautist> Except that the kitten will think the laptop is a playtoy. At best, she would break this update. At worse she will shred the screen. :P 21:21 < vasi> maybe i'll get some sort of other system worked out in the meantime, so you may hear about that first 21:22 < akh> flautist, you can close the laptop--Fink will resume when you open it up again. 21:22 < kalessin> I'll keep my ears perked. 21:22 < flautist> really? 21:22 < akh> Yup 21:22 < flautist> hmm... 21:22 < akh> As long as you aren't in the middle of a download, that is... 21:23 < flautist> Well, I don't think I am at the moment... it looks like it's compiling something. 21:23 < akh> Then you should be fine--downloading is done in a chunk at the beginning. 21:24 < flautist> Well, if everything downloads at once, then I'm more than okay. :P 21:24 < flautist> It downloaded over an hour ago. :P 21:24 < flautist> Why does C++ take so long to compile, anyways. 21:24 < flautist> ? 21:25 < flautist> whoa! It just finished!!!!! 21:25 < flautist> YAY! 21:25 < kalessin> flautist Compare the thickness of the K&R C book to the Soustroup C++ book. That's why. :-) 21:25 * flautist jumps for joy! 21:26 < flautist> now, I install just like in Debian, right? With apt-get? 21:29 < vasi> kalessin, it's usually because nobody implements a certain feature of C++ templates 21:29 < vasi> which means every template must be DEFINED (not just declared) in every compilation unit 21:30 < vasi> but your answer's still funnier :-) 21:31 < kalessin> vasi It's 911 pages vs 274. I just checked. 21:31 < akh> flautist, you can, but you don't have to. 21:31 < kalessin> But my point was that C++ is a -way- more complicated language. 21:32 < akh> rm screenlog.* 21:32 < akh> sorry 21:33 < akh> !cluebat akh 21:33 * Melian beats akh with a clue-by-four. *WHAM* get a clue! *WHAM* get a clue! *WHAM* 21:35 < flautist> alright, well, I must be going. 21:35 < gzl> akh: yeah, now I'm getting more complaints about those two 'partial' directories and an error saying the list of sources could not be read 21:35 < flautist> Thanks so much for all the help, guys. :) 21:35 < Melian> flautist: sure thing 21:36 < flautist> *hugs all around* 21:36 < akh> gzl: paste the error up. 21:36 < akh> lisppaste, URL? 21:36 < lisppaste> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink and enter your paste. 21:36 < flautist> baibai! 21:37 < akh> good luck! 21:37 -!- flautist [errorlevel@12.171.16.136] has quit ["flautist has no reason"] 21:39 * akh likes my poor-man's KVM switch. 21:39 < pogma> unplug it from machine 1 and plug it into machine 2? 21:42 < akh> Not quite that poor--VNC 21:44 < akh> And /me couldn't use my serial keyboard on my Powerbook, anyway. ;-) 21:46 < kalessin> I wish I could find a kvm that could talk to USB, ADB, and Sun keyboard machines. As long as I'm dreaming, a pony would be nice too. 21:46 -!- msachs [~msachs@17.255.96.176] has joined #fink 21:46 < msachs> 'lo 21:47 < akh> kalessin: heh 21:47 < pogma> hi 21:47 < Melian> hey, pogma 21:47 < pogma> go away Melian 21:48 < msachs> As of apple-gcc-5212, our GCC is 4.0.1, not 4.0.0. 21:48 < akh> *ominous music* 21:48 < msachs> I'm testing a change to Services.pm:enforce_gcc now, I tried to do a run and it failed because I wasn't using 4.0.0. 21:48 < pogma> sigh 21:49 < gzl> akh: er, I pasted, and it didn't announce 21:49 < akh> gzl: what number paste? 21:49 < msachs> What's wrong, pogma? 21:49 < lisppaste> gzl pasted "binary download problem" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9864 21:49 < gzl> there we go 21:49 < gzl> just submitted it again 21:49 < pogma> we should have just matched 4.0.* to begin with 21:49 < gzl> must have hiccuped the first time 21:50 < msachs> That's what my change does :) 21:50 < msachs> (Specifically, it changes the 4.0.0 to 4.0 in the enforce_gcc table and does s/(\d+\.\d+)\.\d+/$1/ on $gcc_select 21:51 < pogma> 10.4.2 is finally out, /me is happy dlsym fixed 21:51 < vasi> pogma, it's really fixed? yay! 21:51 < msachs> Yeah 21:51 < msachs> And with the 4.0.1 compiler, maybe KDE won't stubbornly refuse to build for me... 21:51 < vasi> msachs, make sure you cvs up before hacking on enforce_gcc 21:52 < akh> gzl: hmm...maybe try "fink reinstall apt" 21:52 < gzl> akh: ok, trying 21:52 < vasi> it was very recently modified as part of the repair perms fix 21:52 -!- Murr [~neeri@A17-202-20-71.apple.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:52 < msachs> vasi: Yep. 21:52 < pogma> 4.0.1 fsf fixed kde afaik 21:52 < msachs> Sweet. 21:53 * akh does a Software Update. 21:53 * akh also revels in Debian's apparent acceptance of xorg. 21:54 < akh> What's next, KDE 3.4.x? 21:54 < msachs> I think I just saw "chmod 777 .libs" scroll by in a gettext build... 21:55 < vasi> msachs, i think the proper fix would be to compare the result of gcc_select to a list of regexen or anon subs, rather than using a hash lookup 21:55 < msachs> vasi: What would that buy us over just dropping the third decimal place? We might need the added flexibility at some point, but I don't think we do right now. 21:55 < pogma> msachs: you're kidding? 21:56 < msachs> pogma: Nope. 21:56 < msachs> Doing a selfupdate, so I can't even tell you which flavor of gettext it is... 21:56 < pogma> that's not a particularly good thing :/ 21:56 < vasi> msachs, presumably (if gcc got things right finally) 4.1 and 4.2 will have the same ABI 21:56 < vasi> but yeah, for now i guess the easy fix is fine 21:59 < msachs> pogma: It's libgettext3-shlibs 22:00 < lisppaste> msachs pasted "libgettext3-shlibs chmod 777 .libs" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9865 22:01 < pogma> sigh, major security vulnerabiliry exploitable by local users, hope that is not a current libtool 22:02 < kalessin> pogma what does the fink build process set umask as? 22:02 < msachs> I'm kind of curious as to why it would be doing a chmod at all, really. 22:02 < kalessin> pogma could be that too. 22:02 < kalessin> either that or I'm confused and need a nap. 22:02 < msachs> Maybe there was a problem with directories not having execute bits set at some point, maybe someone's umask was getting set strangely... 22:03 < kalessin> On further reflection, It's probably not umask, and I probably do need a nap. 22:04 < kalessin> If the saying "No rest for the wicked" holds true, then I must have been very bad at some point. 22:04 < msachs> heh 22:07 < msachs> 4.0.1 support committed. 22:07 < msachs> Should I backport it anywhere. 22:07 < msachs> ? 22:08 < msachs> branch_0_24 maybe? 22:08 < vasi> yes, please do 22:10 < vasi> msachs, please use the ChangeLog in the closest dir to the one where you're modifying files 22:10 -!- dk0r [~dk0r@cpe-24-194-171-176.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [] 22:10 < vasi> so if you change perlmod/Fink/Services.pm, use perlmod/Fink/ChangeLog 22:10 < vasi> :-) 22:11 < msachs> vasi: Ah, sorry, didn't realize you had a multi-changelog structure, I'll add that entry and do that for my backport. 22:13 -!- akh [~akhansen@68-118-244-23.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:17 < msachs> Okay, all done. 22:21 < kalessin> vasi I'm running ./inject.pl for branch_0_24 now. Any particular things you'd like me to try to exercise? 22:21 < vasi> kalessin, if you're on 10.3 try bootstrapping 22:22 < vasi> otherwise, just use fink normally and tell me about anything weird :-) 22:22 < kalessin> vasi Yeah, I'm on 10.3. 22:22 < vasi> so please try bootstrapping then, since i have no 10.3 system at the moment 22:22 < vasi> just cd into the fink dir, and do ./bootstrap.sh 22:23 < vasi> you can pick a different prefix so it doesn't affect your current fink installation :-) 22:23 < kalessin> I was planning to. :-) 22:24 < msachs> 'night-o 22:24 -!- msachs [~msachs@17.255.96.176] has quit [] 22:24 < vasi> thanks msachs 22:24 < Melian> no worries, vasi 22:24 < vasi> damn lag (and bot) 22:26 < kalessin> vasi Everything up to downloading tarballs for 'phase one' has worked. 22:30 < vasi> i'm more worried about later on....one new feature is that dpkg and apt shouldn't stomp on other instances of themselves, eg:if you have two finks running at once 22:30 < vasi> but hopefully that doesn't mess with bootstrap 22:30 -!- Feanor [~astrange@mp1-248-115.dialup.emory.edu] has joined #fink 22:30 -!- newmanbe [~newmanbe@0120ed30d38bbc4a.session.tor] has left #fink ["This setback in computing brought to you by SCO Group."] 22:31 < kalessin> brb. 22:32 -!- Feanor [~astrange@feanor.developer.opendarwin] has quit [Client Quit] 22:33 < pogma> chmod 777 seems to be a gettext addition to their libtool 22:33 -!- Feanor [~astrange@mp1-248-115.dialup.emory.edu] has joined #fink 22:33 < vasi> yeesh 22:34 < vasi> mebbe the best fix is to just chmod 700 the builddir in the compilescript? 22:34 < vasi> or patch the libtool :-) 22:34 * pogma is emailing bruno 22:35 -!- dmacks_away is now known as dmacks 22:37 < dmacks> pogma: or just un-patch their libtool? 22:37 * runelind hugs Steve Jobs 22:37 < runelind> finally gaim is teh snappy! 22:38 < pogma> what does sjobs have to do with it? 22:39 < runelind> 10.4.2 ;p 22:40 < pogma> runelind: thank nick kledzik 22:40 * runelind hugs nick kledzik in a heterosexual way 22:41 < dmacks> cirdan: WTF's up with libcdparanoia0-dev and utils.h? 22:42 < vasi> dmacks, i've pretty much done all my backporting to what will become 0.24.8 22:42 < vasi> there's one thing left, where the initial mirrors in fink aren't synced with fink-mirrors (or something) 22:43 < dmacks> ? 22:43 < vasi> well during bootstrap, the user sets up mirrors at the start 22:44 < vasi> but then when fink-mirrors is installed, it asks again, and says One or more of your mirrors is set to a value which is not on the current list 22:44 < vasi> i've never looked at our mirror stuff really 22:46 * dmacks waits for cvs update...................... 22:46 < dmacks> ................ 22:48 < lisppaste> vasi pasted "updated list of changes in 0.24.8" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9868 22:48 < cirdan> dmacks? 22:48 < cirdan> no ida 22:48 < cirdan> odea 22:48 < cirdan> idea 22:48 < cirdan> whats up 22:48 < vasi> hehe 22:48 < cirdan> :-) 22:49 < dmacks> cirdan: It installs %p/include/utils.h, which is not #included from any of its other .h and has no documented use that I see. That's a pretty common filename, and does mask a utils.h that many other packages use. 22:50 < cirdan> weird 22:50 < vasi> mebbe put in it %p/include/cdparanoia/utils.h? 22:50 < cirdan> yeah, i could do that 22:50 < dmacks> Does anything build against that lib except its own runtime programs? 22:50 < pogma> move everything to opt style installs! 22:51 < dmacks> (since there's no docs for the API at all that I can find) 22:51 < vasi> ah i think i just have to sync fink/mirror 22:51 < cirdan> i think one or 2 things can use it 22:52 < cirdan> like mplayer 22:52 < dmacks> That could be it, vasi. 22:52 < pogma> other distros put cdparanoia utils.h in /usr/include 22:52 < dmacks> (the no-longer-extant-mirror check is new; previously the first mirror would just always fail then user would move on) 22:53 < dmacks> "Add BuildConflicts:libcdparanoia0-dev" is virtually becoming a FAQ answer. 22:54 * dmacks wonders if the packages that break have a more fundamental -I ordering problem then. (placing ./configure results or env vars ahead of local dirs) 22:54 < cirdan> could be 22:55 < dmacks> Or if this utils.h has platform-dependent types mis-assigned. 22:57 < vasi> freebsd apparently doesn't install utils.h at all 22:57 < vasi> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=48227 22:58 < pogma> I siad "other distros" having only looked at one :) 22:58 < pogma> debain installs it -> http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=libcdparanoia0-dev&version=unstable&arch=alpha 22:58 < vasi> yeah i saw that 22:59 < vasi> they do have a bug report that it should be moved 23:01 < vasi> er...how do i merge TO a branch in cvs? 23:02 < dmacks> It's prtty dicy to commit to a branch other than that to which you've updated. 23:02 < vasi> yeah...i mean, i know how to merge a branch into HEAD...but given that i've updated to branch_0_24, and i'm in mirror, how do i merge HEAD's mirror in? 23:03 < vasi> HEAD -> branch instead of branch -> HEAD 23:04 < dmacks> You can 'cvs update -rHEAD -p somefile > tempfile;cp tempfile somefile;cvs commit somefile' 23:04 < dmacks> You can use cvs diff -rHEAD > patchfile then apply the patchfile 23:05 < dmacks> If you really really do want to just copy HEAD into your branch, cvs update -rHEAD, then edit the CVS/Entries file to change the branch, then cvs commit. 23:06 < dmacks> More properly, cvs update in your branch, then cvs update using -j to merge in HEAD, then commit. 23:07 < vasi> i thought you have to specify a tag/branch to -j? 23:07 < vasi> and whenever i use the keyword HEAD, it seems to do other than i expect 23:07 < dmacks> Ah damn, /me forgets how annoying HEAD is as a tag. 23:08 < dmacks> You could do it file-by-file using -j[revision# of trunk's HEAD]. 23:08 < vasi> ah, i do have a tag to merge from 23:08 < vasi> release_0_24_4_1 23:11 < vasi> so, when do we move to arch? ;-) 23:12 < kalessin> or monotone. :-) 23:13 < vasi> baz-ng? 23:13 < dmacks> sccs 23:14 < kalessin> git? 23:14 * kalessin shudders at git. 23:14 < vasi> hehe 23:14 < kalessin> vasi, the bootstrap appears to have worked. I'll flip my /sw/ symlink and see if it is functional. 23:15 < vasi> yay, thanks kalessin 23:15 < vasi> you must have a faster mac than mine 23:15 < dmacks> ccache? 23:15 < kalessin> PB G4 12" 867. So I doubt it. 23:15 < vasi> yep, mine's just a 733 23:15 < kalessin> dmacks never leave home without it. 23:16 < dmacks> Smart man. 23:16 < vasi> smushing ccache into a bootstrap isn't super easy 23:17 < kalessin> Good point. The bootstrap probably doesn't care that I have ccache-default installed elsewhere. 23:17 < vasi> yeah 23:17 < vasi> i guess you could pause it, insert some symlinks in %p/bin, and then resume 23:17 < dmacks> Ah right...ccache doesn't write to /usr/bin/gcc 23:17 < dmacks> *ccache-default 23:17 < dmacks> ne'ermind. 23:18 < vasi> it would be nice if we could have it 1) insert ccache and 2) store my last configure answers 23:18 < vasi> just for testing 23:19 < vasi> configure == 'fink configure', not the other kind 23:19 < kalessin> vasi sticking in symlinks and such wouldn't really be a fair test of the boostrap. I mean, it -shouldn't- make a difference. But there are those hisenbugs to worry about. 23:19 < vasi> yeah i know 23:19 < kalessin> But I'll bet it gets bloody annoying, bootstraping a lot without ccache. 23:20 < vasi> yep....i need a nice new Quad Xeon Mac :-) 23:20 < dmacks> Well I know *I'm* not stoppin' you from getting me^Wyourself one. 23:20 < kalessin> Or a rack full of XServe cluster nodes, and distcc. 23:22 < vasi> ok, so what's left? 23:23 < vasi> dmacks, you've gotta see if there's any more stuff we want backported 23:23 < vasi> we have to test some 23:23 < vasi> and then i guess release...though i'd feel much more comfy with some sort of limited release first 23:23 < vasi> since there's a lot of stuff here for just a dot-release 23:25 < dmacks> One advantage of using VERSION 0.24.x.cvs x!=BIGINT is that the ChangeLog entry for that provides a breakpoint in the ChangeLog for each release. 23:25 < dmacks> I'll look at HEAD ChangeLog tonite. 23:25 < vasi> we still have to modify VERSION per-release :-) 23:26 < dmacks> How out-of-sync are the 10.x.y.SDK virtpackage checks? 23:26 < vasi> it's just that when we branch X.Y.Z off, we bump VERSION to X.Y.something-high in HEAD 23:26 < vasi> i'm not sure dmacks 23:26 < dmacks> Good point. 23:27 < vasi> cvs diff is your friend :-) 23:27 < dmacks> Thesin just changed something last week I think. And Ranger and I and probably-TheSin and I-think-drm kept fiddling with it. 23:27 < vasi> (or mortal enemy, as the case may be) 23:27 < dmacks> cvs.sf is the mortal enemy. 23:28 < kalessin> cvs is the mortal enemy. 23:28 < kalessin> I don't think it needs sf's help to be evil. 23:28 < dmacks> Well it's quite evident that *.sf isn't an _im_mortal enemy, so... 23:29 < kalessin> I'd be quite pleased about that if I were myself immortal. 23:30 < dmacks> I keep thinking "_this_ time sf will come back more powerful than I can possibly imagine." but it never does. 23:30 < kalessin> Someone needs to invent a light-saber to smite it with. 23:30 < kalessin> Then it'd happen. 23:30 < vasi> alicekill >> light-saber 23:30 < dmacks> For maximum irony, develop light-saber as an sf project 23:31 < dmacks> But stability-wise, sf>>melian lately. 23:31 < vasi> at least cvs.sf isn't as evil as the pdb 23:32 < dmacks> Very true. 23:33 * dmacks should put the controller script for the pdb-update into cvs. 23:33 -!- Feanor [~astrange@feanor.developer.opendarwin] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:35 < vasi> hmm, why does the fink-mirrors postinstall force the "list of possible mirrors in fink has been updated" message? 23:35 < vasi> even when the list hasn't actually changed? 23:36 * dmacks I *think* it's based on datestamps of mirror lists vs fink.conf 23:38 < vasi> nah, it follows the same path that would normally say "All mirrors are set. Do you want to change them?" 23:38 < kalessin> vasi, boostrap went without error, bootstraped fink tree selfupdated happily, and installed fileutils happily. 23:38 < kalessin> If it broke in some strange way, it's hiding it really well. 23:38 < vasi> but there's a special-case flag for postinstall that forces it to say the list has been updated 23:39 < vasi> kalessin, great! 23:39 < vasi> you can try testing new features if you like 23:40 < vasi> the list is here: http://paste.lisp.org/display/9868 though it's not the clearest list ever 23:40 < vasi> you can try injecting it into your regular fink install, with ./inject.pl....then see if it asks you about Spotlight 23:41 < kalessin> vasi No tiger. Should it ask anyway? 23:41 < vasi> er, no it shouldn't 23:41 < vasi> i think 23:41 * vasi checks 23:41 < kalessin> I actually injected it before I tried boostrapping it. 23:41 < dmacks> Given that one is installing a new fink-mirrors, which contains nothing but lists of mirrors, the mirror lists have clearly changed:) 23:41 < kalessin> If it asked, I just hit enter and didn't notice. 23:41 < vasi> dmacks, but you could be re-installing the same version :-) 23:42 < vasi> it shouldn't have asked, so hopefully it didn't...you can tell by seeing if your fink.conf contains Flags: SpotlightWarning 23:42 < dmacks> If you, you know what you're doing. And you're probably doing it because you manually hacked and broke the default files:) 23:42 < dmacks> *If you do,... 23:42 < vasi> well it's just annoying to be asked during the initial install of fink-mirrors during bootstrap 23:43 < kalessin> vasi, no SpotlightWarning in my fink.conf. 23:43 < vasi> ok kalessin, that's good :-) 23:44 < dmacks> Do you dislike that the question is asked (given that no mirrors are set yet, so it should not even ask and just start with the selections) or with the whole idea of choosing mirrors at this point? 23:44 < vasi> most of the other fixes are pretty straightforward, so just keep using fink as per normal and tell us if things are borked 23:44 < vasi> dmacks, when you bootstrap fink asks you about all the mirrors before fetching in PHASE ONE 23:44 < kalessin> Ok, I can do that. mmm... borked. 23:44 < vasi> and then when you install fink-mirrors, it tries to ask you again 23:44 < vasi> (rather, it asks if you want to be asked :-) ) 23:45 < dmacks> Ah. Is that (latter) fink-mirrors the same as the mirror lists used during the initial prompting? 23:45 < vasi> well it theoretically could be the same or different...but generally we should be keeping it the same 23:46 < vasi> (at least for releases, for HEAD it's more complicated) 23:46 < dmacks> stable>=bootstrap, not == 23:46 < vasi> we're not comparing stable and bootstrap 23:46 < vasi> we're comparing fink's internal mirror list with bootstrap fink-mirrors 23:47 < dmacks> And this internal mirror list is stored where? 23:47 < vasi> fink/mirror 23:47 < vasi> (which is where we create fink-mirrors from) 23:49 -!- dk0r [~dk0r@cpe-24-194-171-176.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #fink 23:49 < dmacks> Okay...that fink-mirrors which we create goes through the usual unstable->stable->bootstrap migration. That means one's bootstrap fink-mirrors might be out-of-date vs fink/mirrors. So the installation of fink-mirrors would give one a potentially older mirror list? 23:50 < vasi> possibly...i'm saying it should check if it's a different list, or the same 23:50 < vasi> tar -cf - %p/lib/fink/mirror | md5 23:50 < vasi> something like that could work for checking 23:50 < dmacks> *Now* we're on the same page. 23:51 < vasi> maybe exclude the ChangeLog 23:52 < dmacks> Compare the Timestamp field of each mirror file. We added it long ago and never bother to use it. 23:52 -!- dk0r [~dk0r@cpe-24-194-171-176.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 23:52 < vasi> is it kept updated? 23:52 -!- dk0r [~dk0r@cpe-24-194-171-176.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #fink 23:53 < dmacks> If not, smite whomever didn't:) 23:54 < vasi> ok, this shall be a TODO....but getting back to the matter of getting 0.24.8 out the door :-) 23:54 < vasi> do you think we should throw it straight at unstable after testing a bit ourselves? 23:54 < dmacks> If such a mechanism gets released into fink, we can release a new fink-mirrors that has updated Timestamp to force a starting point. Also many of our lists are out-of-date vs reality anyway:) 23:55 < vasi> or should we ask -devel to test for a while first, or something like that? 23:56 < dmacks> No harm posting a beta tarball on your own webserver for a day or two of -devel testing. 23:56 < vasi> and i do NOT want to release another 0.23.x 23:57 < vasi> i'd rather just fix whatever last thing is problematic in 0.24 23:57 < vasi> (if TheSin ever shows up, maybe i can actually find out what that thing is, exactly) 23:57 < vasi> i keep just missing him 23:58 < dmacks> Of the changes you posted, only the gcc_select seems like a critical breakage-patch. And even that can be solved without a new release (when a user says "it's broken" we say "gcc_select -force 4.0") 23:58 < vasi> bootstrapping...that's the other serious issue 23:58 < vasi> it's the reason drm's been pushing for a 0.24.8 23:59 < vasi> probably most ppl bootstrap from HEAD anyhow, but we're supposed to support it from tarballs too 23:59 < dmacks> Ah right. So when we get 0.24.8.tar out, we can say "use that to bootstrap" 23:59 < vasi> yeah 23:59 < dmacks> (boottrapping from the "unstable" version tarball doesn't commit one to using the unstable branch) 23:59 -!- dk0r [~dk0r@cpe-24-194-171-176.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [] --- Log closed Wed Jul 13 00:00:05 2005