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00:27 -!- Topic for #fink: Have a question? Check the FAQ: http://fink.sf.net/faq || Latest Installers: 0.6.4 (10.2), 0.7.2 (10.3), 0.8.0 (10.4) || Fink 0.24.7: Carina || Where Green porters get RED
00:27 -!- Topic set by cirdan [] [Wed Jul 13 15:13:47 2005]
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02:46 < dmacks> Does anyone with Tiger have a cupsGetFd prototype anywhere in /usr/include/cups or defined in /usr/lib/libcups.dylib ?
02:46 < Feanor> /usr/include/cups/cups.h:extern http_status_t   cupsGetFd(http_t *http, const char *resource, int fd);
02:47 < dmacks> What is '/usr/bin/cups-config  --version' ?
02:54 < dmacks> "Dear Apple, thanks for using a cups-config in 10.3 that lies about its version"
02:55 < Feanor> 1.1.23
02:55 < dmacks> *grr*
03:05 < dmacks> RangerAway: Your cups-dev for 10.3 is actually a lower %v than 1.1.20 I think. Apple calls it 1.1.20rc1, but feature-wise it doesn't even have that much...it's really more like rc0.5 or maybe even only 1.1.19
03:46 < dmacks> RangerAway: Would it be cleaner for the VirtPackage cups-dev to use `cups-dev --version` instead of parsing cups.h
03:50 < dmacks> (...but prolly still also make sure cups.h is present)
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05:39 < Lars> Hi, I am trying to setup fink on Darwin x86 8.1.0
05:40 < Lars> I already properly setup the network setup using ncutil universal binary published yesterday at
05:40 < Lars> http://deaddog.duch.udel.edu/~frey/programming/ncutil/
05:41 < Lars> someone awaked ? :)
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08:34 < MacinMan> hey guys was wondering if there were any known issues with fink and xcode 2.1 i built the gnome package with fink using xcode 2.1 and while it compiled it wouldn't run
08:35 < MacinMan> so i wondered if maybe i had a bad install or if there were actuallyu issues
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10:20 < Albie> What do you guys use as 'terminal' under Mac OS X?
10:20  * Albie was trying iterm, but it is too slow
10:21 < baba> Terminal, iTerm and xterm
10:21 < Albie> right.
10:26 < baba> left.
10:27 < Albie> top, bottom, inside, outside, etc
10:27 < Albie> if I remove AA it seems to be a LOT faster
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11:15 < pogma> hi
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11:35 < joe_oblivian> hi everybody. I'm having issues compiling python23 from the unstable tree. Anyone else got the same problem?
11:35 < Melian> Many greetings, everybody. I'm having issues compiling python23 from the unstable tree. Anyone else got the same problem, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty.
11:35 < joe_oblivian> uhm, nice bot
11:37 < pogma> hi joe_oblivian 
11:37 < pogma> what are the issues? can you use lisppaste to paste the actual error, please
11:37 < pogma> lisppaste: url?
11:37 < lisppaste> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink and enter your paste.
11:38 < joe_oblivian> pogma: I've lots of compiling errors with mactoolbox
11:38 < pogma> joe_oblivian: are you on a mac?
11:39 < joe_oblivian> pogma: I'll try to recompile and show you the errores
11:39 < joe_oblivian> pogma: of course I am :)
11:40 < joe_oblivian> the issue is with python23-2.3.5-13
11:40 < joe_oblivian> while python23-2.3.5-12 compiled flawlessly
11:40 < pogma> on 10.4.1?
11:40 < joe_oblivian> 10.4.1 right
11:40 < pogma> sorry 10.4.2
11:41 < joe_oblivian> well I just updated to 10.4.2
11:41 < joe_oblivian> but the error showed on 10.4.1 1 hour ago :)
11:42 < joe_oblivian> oh and xcode 2.1 :)
11:45 < lisppaste> joe_oblivian pasted "python23 compile problems" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9936
11:46 < joe_oblivian> it looks like I miss an include...
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11:46 < pogma> do you have /System/Library/Frameworks/QuickTime.framework ?
11:47 < joe_oblivian> yes
11:47 < pogma> specifically /System/Library/Frameworks/QuickTime.framework/Headers/QuickTime.h ?
11:48 < joe_oblivian> no, I do miss the headers
11:48 < pogma> I'd reinstall xcode-2.1
11:48 < joe_oblivian> I imagine this has to do with the way I installed xcode, leaving out all multimedia stuff (since I do not need it)
11:49 < joe_oblivian> pogma: I'll install the crap, and swipe it away ASAP. Thank you :)
11:49 < pogma> itty-bitty HD?
11:50 < joe_oblivian> pogma: i've got a 60 GB ibook
11:50 < joe_oblivian> pogma: but I do preffer to keep it clean from anything I do not need
11:50 < pogma> 60Gb is a lot smaller than it usd to be :)
11:50 < joe_oblivian> *prefer
11:50 < pogma> *used
11:51 < pogma> yeah
11:51 < joe_oblivian> pogma: well, It's a matter of attitude basically. I want to stuff the most data on the local HD so that I can work on them when I'm back home
11:52 < joe_oblivian> and since the kind of scientific data I work on can take as much as 10-15 GB for each data set, I'm always low on disk space
11:52 < joe_oblivian> I had to erase ubuntu from my laptop for this reason, recently :((
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14:35 < dmacks> "Thanks for a circular dependency mess, libxml2/libxslt!"
14:36  * newmanbe wonders why Melian didn't say you were welcome.
14:36 < newmanbe> Try saying it without the quotes.
14:36 < dmacks> Thanks for breaking cups compatibility, Apple!
14:39 < newmanbe> Thanks.
14:39 < newmanbe> Hmm, Melian is now fixed or even more broken.
14:39 < dmacks> It's often hard to tell, really.
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15:08 < dk0rr> woogoo
15:08 < dk0rr> woohoo! 10.4.2!
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15:22 < dmacks> !seen msachs
15:22 < Melian> msachs <~msachs@c-67-170-224-126.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #fink, 2d 11h 21m 36s ago, saying: 'I'm off to bed now.'.
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20:50 < dmacks> msachs: Is it worth filing bugs about 10.3 that I know are not present in 10.4?
20:51 < msachs> dmacks: Probably not, unless it's something really terrible or with security implications.
20:51 < msachs> Anything in particular?
20:52 < dmacks> cups is actually a version less than cups-config reports. Looks like the CHANGES.txt got updated but the actual .dylib doesn't contain the symbols that the CHANGES.txt says were added.
20:53 < msachs> Ah, yeah, saw your commit message on the subject :)
20:53 < msachs> Probably not worth filing, unless it'd make you feel better.
20:54 < dmacks> Well I guess it *does* have security implications...if I finally snap, take hostages, etc etc etc, that might be the bug that was "one too many" :)
20:55 < msachs> heheh
20:55 < msachs> "A buffer overrun in cups today may grant attackers named dmacks access to water towers and high-powered rifles."
20:56 < dmacks> Are there any grassy knolls in Cupertino?
20:57 < msachs> There's a park a couple miles west of Apple.
20:59 < dmacks> Reasons electronic books are bad, #N+1: too hard to hide in a book repository when the whole building has been reduced to a stack of CDs.
20:59 < msachs> Or one Blu-Ray.
20:59 < dmacks> true.
21:00 < dmacks> Okay, dinner.
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21:00 < msachs> Enjoy
21:01 < newmanbe> knghtbrd: Maybe they just were put in the wrong place?
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21:04 < knghtbrd> newmanbe: dpkg -L doesn't lie
21:05 < ismith> apt-get is telling me that it can't stat unstable/main, and that i shoould run apt-get update, but that doesn't seem to be helping ... why is this?
21:05 < newmanbe> !lisppaste
21:05 < Melian> You can use lisppaste to paste errors at http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink , instead of flooding the channel.
21:06 < ismith> fink self-update doesn't help either
21:06 < newmanbe> Did you read this:
21:06 < ismith> er, fink selfupdate
21:06 < newmanbe> !unstable
21:06 < Melian> i guess unstable is http://www.finkproject.org/faq/usage-fink.php#unstable , or at http://www.finkproject.org/faq/usage-fink.php#bindist
21:08 < ismith> ah
21:16 < ismith> running selfupdate;index;scanpackages didn't help either ... should i just delete /sw?
21:16 < ismith> i'd be willing to lose what i have installed now if it would get fink working again
21:26 < ismith> can someone  help me get rid of apt-get's need for the unstable/main file, please?
21:26 < newmanbe> I am not sure I get your problem.
21:27 < ismith> whenever i run apt-get, it tells me that:
21:28 < newmanbe> !lisppaste
21:28 < Melian> You can use lisppaste to paste errors at http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink , instead of flooding the channel.
21:28 < ismith> W: Couldn't stat source package list file: unstable/main Packages (/sw/var/lib/apt/lists/_sw_fink_dists_unstable_main_binary-darwin-powerpc_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
21:28 < ismith> W: Couldn't stat source package list file: unstable/main Packages (/sw/var/lib/apt/lists/_sw_fink_dists_unstable_main_binary-darwin-powerpc_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
21:28 < ismith> W: Couldn't stat source package list file: unstable/main Packages (/sw/var/lib/apt/lists/_sw_fink_dists_unstable_main_binary-darwin-powerpc_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
21:28 < ismith> yeha, just going there now
21:28 < ismith> er, whoops
21:29 < lisppaste> ismith pasted "unstable/main probleem" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9957
21:29 < ismith> ithat's the whole error i'm getting
21:30 < ismith> and whether i remove unstable/main from fink.conf or not dosn't matter
21:30 < newmanbe> The most interesting error is the last one.
21:31 < newmanbe> <-- Too tired to help anyone properly.
21:31 < newmanbe> If no one answers you here, try one of the Fink mailing lists.
21:31 < newmanbe> !lists
21:31 < newmanbe> Either general or begginers.
21:32 < newmanbe> beginners.
21:32 < newmanbe> !mailinglists
21:32 < Melian> I heard you can visit http://finkproject.org/lists/ to learn about Fink's mailing lists, including web, NNTP, and blog access to their archives
21:32 < newmanbe> Blog access?
21:33 < ismith> interesting
21:33 < ismith> don't see it there, but tha'd be an interesting way of doing it
21:33 < newmanbe> Melian: forget mailinglists
21:33 < Melian> i forgot mailinglists, newmanbe
21:34 < ismith> erm ...
21:34 < newmanbe> Melian: mailinglists is <REPLY> Visit http://www.finkproject.org/lists/ to learn about Fink's mailing lists, including web, NNTP, and blog access to their archives.
21:34 < Melian> okay, newmanbe
21:43 < ismith> well, that problem seems to be gone (unstable/main).  but xfree86-shlibs is still acting up ... maybe fink update-all will help
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22:37 < dmacks> newmanbe: Yeah, gmane has had a blog interface for a long time. I guess we should add links to the mailing-lists webpage.
22:37 < dmacks> (and add fink-auto-logs)
22:39 < dmacks> ismith: Read FAQ5.24 
22:41 < dmacks> (well anyway, newmanbe, the "couldn't stat" from apt is a common situation; I don't think it's asked here enough for Melian to know about it)
22:42 < newmanbe> Or a tired newmanbe to remember it.
22:42 < dmacks> I lied...it's "not found" and "scanpackages"
22:42 < dmacks> Go sleep, man!
22:43 < newmanbe> But I'm not tired anymore.
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23:10 < dmacks> newmanbe: If you're bored, you can always test submissions-tracker items.
23:11 < newmanbe> Yeah, but what do I do with them?
23:12 < dmacks> Tell me how to respond politely to #1215426.
23:13 < newmanbe> Melian: Translate that number into a SourceForge.net URI.
23:13 < dmacks> Would be good to have a way to http://finkproject.org/trackers/submissions/1215426
23:14 < dmacks> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=414256&aid=1215426&group_id=17203
23:15  * newmanbe goes to read it.
23:15 < newmanbe> mechanization...
23:16 < newmanbe> And something python I think.
23:17 < newmanbe> !lart SourceForge.net for making newmanbe's browser crash
23:17  * Melian executes killall -TERM SourceForge.net for making newmanbe's browser crash
23:17 < dmacks> Wowch.
23:17 < newmanbe> Hmm, that'd be nice.
23:18 < dmacks> Oh, like sf.net needs external signals for its processes to die.
23:18 < newmanbe> I suppose not.
23:19 < newmanbe> Yay for arbitrary limits!
23:19 < newmanbe> Isn't that for people's terminal sizes?
23:19 < newmanbe> Oh yeah, sf.net does most recent then earlier.
23:19 < dmacks> Yup.
23:20 < newmanbe> We thank you for your contribution.
23:20 < newmanbe> Our users expect certain things of packages to be consistent.
23:20 < newmanbe> If they're not, we're the ones who get yelled at.
23:20 < newmanbe> Have a nice day.
23:22 < lisppaste> dmacks pasted "Partial answer" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9961
23:23 < newmanbe> He/she didn't say whether the .info's/.deb's passed fink check.
23:24 < newmanbe> He/she did not follow the directions.
23:26 < newmanbe> s/she///g
23:27  * newmanbe wonders if that would work( with the "/").
23:27 < dmacks> Nope.
23:30 < newmanbe> "[ 1229305 ] New package: six" Validates! But now what do I do with it?
23:31  * newmanbe less-es it.
23:33 < newmanbe> Looks fine.
23:37 < newmanbe> SourceForge.net appears to make Camino crash.
23:39 < newmanbe> dmacks: The text for tracker item comments needs to be updated.
23:39 < newmanbe> "Whether your package is intended for the '10.2-gcc3.3' tree, '10.3' tree, or both."
23:41 < dmacks> ("Given you didn't bother to read the screen where you created this tracker item, why should we bother writing down all these things I mentioned? You probably wouldn't read them [wherever] either"
23:43 -!- newmanbe [~newmanbe@959db8b4e7d3f424.session.tor] has quit ["This setback in computing brought to you by SCO Group."]
23:44 -!- eno-away is now known as eno
23:58 < dmacks> Clef: The website/source for your wdiff has moved...I'll update it, and switch to gettext3.
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