--- Log opened Sun Jul 17 00:00:57 2005
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00:07 < dmacks> Hrm, actually it doesn't compile at all either way. Will hack on it if I get a chance...
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00:30 < dmacks> ...because I broke my gettext dylibs:/ So it's now updated for gettext3 and fixed for consistent diff and less usage; could use some freshening (use fink's gettext and system's getopt?), but I ain't gonna mess with it no more.
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04:30 < umonkey> hello.  where are the proxy settings stored?  I can't see anything in /sw/etc/fink.conf, I answer "none" to all related questions of "fink configure", but it still fails to connect to 192.168.0.1:3128 (a proxy I used to use)
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04:39 < dmacks> umonkey: If you answered "none", of course it's not going to use the proxy. Or did I misunderstand what you're saying.
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04:40 < dmacks> (/sw/etc/fink.conf is where fink stores them; you must open a new terminal window for changes there to take effect; fink ignores system-wide proxy settings (in the OS X controls))
04:56 < umonkey> weird.
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07:19 < tanuki_> What package provides libutil?
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08:54 < pogma> hi baba 
08:55  * pogma belatedly realizes that baba joined 40 minutes ago
09:12 < baba> yeah, i was playing yahoo reversi thing
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09:26 < pogma> didja win?
09:27 < pogma> libtiff does not build on AIX :/
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09:50 < baba> yeah, i won
09:51 < baba> AIX! what a nerd
10:04 < pogma> nerds++
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10:26 < till> muesli: ping
10:26 < muesli> pong
10:28 < till> muesli: I've worked around the bus-error in glib now, but arts fails, since qt seems to require Xinerama libs, of some kind.
10:28 < till> muesli: does one have to install xorg or xfree, to be able to use fink's qt?
10:29 < muesli> no
10:29 < muesli> but you need the x11-dev package from apple
10:29 < till> Ah, makes sense. Can I download that somewhere, on their site?
10:30 < muesli> it's on the cd
10:30 < muesli> you will need various packages from it
10:30 < muesli> it's the xcode cd
10:30 < till> On the xcode cd that came with tiger?
10:30 < muesli> yep!
10:30 < till> Ok.
10:30 < till> I thought I did install everything on there, but ok.
10:31 < muesli> it's somewhat cluttered and hidden
10:31 < muesli> but you will find it
10:32 < till> Ok, thanks.
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10:43 < newmanbe> !sourceforge.netsmite SourceForeg.net
10:50 < newmanbe> !lilosmite SourceForge.net's website.
10:50  * Melian wallops SourceForge.net's website. with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing.  It won't take long.
10:50 < newmanbe> Making poor Camino crash over and over.
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11:08 < till> muesli: Hm, installed the Xsdk, now I have the libXinerama.a, but no .dylib
11:08 < till> muesli: still something missing?
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12:54 < newmanbe> lisppaste: url?
12:54 < lisppaste> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink and enter your paste.
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14:52  * akh pursues the White Whale again...
14:54 < akh> (openoffice.org)\
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15:04 < dmacks> Yeti@home?
15:04 < akh> heh
15:04 < dmacks> Oh wait, that's "abominable" not "abomination"
15:04 < akh> yup
15:05 < akh> Somebody's gotta do it.
15:06 < dmacks> I was wondering if Todai had gone inactive for the summer, but I see they just committed some emacs stuff (and responded to my emails about it)
15:07 < akh> Yeah--haven't gotten any direct mail from them regarding the reports I've been posting, though.
15:08 < akh> Not as though I'm really surprised, mind...
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15:12 < dmacks> I emailed them yesterday about the mozilla mess. Or at least I remember doing so, but can't find the email in my outbox...weird.
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15:13 < akh> mmmm....conspiracy
15:13 < akh> ;-)
15:17 < dmacks> OTOH, I see that Max is testing the glib-for-germans fix, so maybe we can finally get that off the annoyances-whiteboard.
15:17 < akh> Cool--now someone can work on the broken Fink Commander for Germans.
15:18 < dmacks> FC is broken for .de folks? More than for .*, I mean?
15:18 < akh> Yah--the new version (0.5.4) works OK for everybody else.
15:19 < dmacks> That's odd alright.
15:19 < akh> mmm...conspiracy.  ;-)
15:20 < akh> Hmmm...got a different, stranger error for oo.o on my powerbook
15:22 < lisppaste> akh pasted "huh" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9980
15:24 < dmacks> I bet oo.o builds differently for different folks even when it succeeds: python's compile process appears to automatically check /sw and oo.o pkg doesn't patch it to use %p
15:25 < akh> hmm...
15:25 < akh> silly upstream...
15:25 < dmacks> If you're gonna reinvent the wheel, probably best to check that it's at least as round as the existing one, no?
15:26 < dmacks> _t_csh?!
15:28 < dmacks> Their use of scripted unset for the LD_* is gonne confuse fink's prebinding mechanism.
15:35 < dmacks> Aw crap...found my todai email about oo.o-vs-mozilla.
15:35 < akh> heh
15:35 < dmacks> Turns out I have a mail folder "fink" where I saved some emails about fink, so now whenever I email "fink@*", it's saved there instead of my normal outbox.
15:36 < dmacks> I guess mutt is part of the conspiracy too, huh?
15:37 < akh> Of course.
15:39 < akh> So is there a vaild reason to build _another_ mozilla?
15:40 < lisppaste> dmacks pasted "One of my emails to todai" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/9981
15:41 < dmacks> Apparently Maxtor is part of the conspiracy:)
15:42 < akh> MB?  We need GB.
15:43  * dmacks forgot to give the order-of-magnitude exponent, huh?
15:44 < akh> heh
15:44 < dmacks> Why is gok is crypto/?
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15:45 < dmacks> "Oh no! Terrorists might learn how to type accented characters!"
15:47 < akh> I guess it's because it has a runtime depend on gnome-vfs2-ssl but not gnome-vfs2
15:48 < akh> (even though both gnome-vfs2-dev and gnome-vfs2-ssl-dev are listed as build depends)
15:48 < akh> oops--runtime dep is *-shlibs, of course.
15:49 < dmacks> Ah yeah, that could be the reason too, I guess.
15:50 < akh> Figured out my tcsh error--my .cshrc was copied from my .profile and I hadn't finished the Bourne -> C shell conversions.
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15:50 < akh> Silliness.
15:51 < akh> OTOH, making me shell over to tcsh is also silly.
15:51  * akh didn't see a compelling reason that this had to be done.
15:52 < dmacks> That points out a very big hole in oo.o's scripts or fink itself...why are user's dotfile setting leaking into the build process?
15:52 < akh> I'd assume the former.
15:53 < dmacks> If you put "echo 
15:53 < dmacks> 'hi mom'" in your .cshrc, where does it appear?
15:54 < dmacks> (fink should be running as root or nobody...why is it seeing login-user's dotfiles at all?
15:54 < akh> The CompileScript calls "tcsh -ev"
15:55 < dmacks> But it's calling it as root, so it shuold be reading ~root/.cshrc no?
15:55 < akh> Right--my point was that there wasn't any strange invocation otherwise)
15:56 < dmacks> Ah.
15:56 < akh> OTOH, the InstallScript is in bash, so if I ever get that far I can see if it runs as me.
15:56  * dmacks also emailed them about misuse of LD_* flags.
15:56 < akh> Right
15:57 < akh> The "make it a binary, NOW!" folks have no clue...
15:58 < akh> Maybe It'd be worth making up a bogus package that switches shells and see if the issue is within Fink itself.
16:03 < dmacks> gnome-speech-shlibs:Depends:gnome-speech-shlibs; I think we need a pseudo-Maintaier "Dr. Obvious"
16:03 < akh> heh
16:04 < akh> Give the last committer a Certificate of Redundancy Certificate.
16:04 < dmacks> hehe
16:05 < akh> OK--I'm going to try a shell invocation test in a CompileScript.
16:05 < akh> I'll try both tcsh and /bin/sh
16:05 < dmacks> Maybe we could do one of those stings like where the police set up a sweepstakes and send winners' notifications to fugitives? That oughta flush out those pesky gnome-core folks.
16:06 < akh> Nah--they'd think it was one of those lottery phishing messages.
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16:18 < akh> hmmm...I invoked tcsh in a CompileScript in another package and nothing happened. (no HI MOM)
16:20  * akh wonders if there's any crypto stuff in openoffice.org that would require us not to make a binary of it.
16:20 < akh> That'd shut people up.
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16:27 < dmacks> Fink's mozilla and firefox pkgs are crypto/ :)
16:27 < sid77> akh, that would make people asking for Neoffice also ;)
16:27 < dmacks> Hrm, that reminds me...has anyone packaged neoffice for fink yet?
16:27 < sid77> lol
16:27  * dmacks <- jackass
16:28 < akh> heh
16:28 < akh> That's a real test for a policy on .apps.
16:31  * akh is leery about making Fink packages for anything that only installs a .app and some docs.
16:31 < dmacks> Yeah.
16:35 < akh> It kind of defeats the purpose of dpkg at that point  ;-)
16:35 < dmacks> Nah...it's still better than Installer.app
16:35 < akh> Good point--but if a package just makes a .app, you don't need Installer.app, either.
16:36 < dmacks> Dependencies?
16:36 < akh> I'm talking about the ideal .app where "everything" is bundled.
16:38 < akh> If dependencies are involved, dpkg all the way.
16:38 < dmacks> Oh. Yeah, no need for all dat crazy-crap then.
16:38 < dmacks> Waddayaknow? Some guy "Max" is an intelligent user and providing worthwhile feedback about the glib2.de mess!
16:39 < akh> Interesting...wonder if he's got an IRC handle...
16:39 < akh> ;-)
16:39 < dmacks> Prolly something pretty weird I bet.
16:40 < dmacks> Like FinkGolfing or somesuch.
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16:42 < sid77> 'night all
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16:44 < akh> dmacks: heh
16:47 < akh> and the conspiracy continues--my auxiliary %p/src/fink.build drive shut down on me.
16:47 < dmacks> 'fink remove vchip'
16:47 < dmacks> 'fink remove longhorn-drm-crap'
16:48 < akh> "longhorn-DRM-crap", right?
16:48 < akh> I wouldn't want to associate drm with that.
16:48 < dmacks> Right.
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16:58 < akh> Wonder when he's going to be back from EU?
16:58 < akh> Somebody's gotta build us a new bindist.
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17:08 < dmacks> As of thursday he was drm.ca
17:11 < dmacks> Maybe cheaper dollar==>buying a bigger build farm.
17:17 < akh> Yeah, but if $US goes down wrt $CA...
17:19 < akh> Time to walk the dog.
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17:39 < Melian> vasi <~vasi@modemcable133.147-70-69.mc.videotron.ca> was last seen on IRC in channel #fink, 2d 2h 9m 29s ago, saying: 'akh, i don't think we check for that...not sure if we should?'.
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21:40 < akh> mmmm...more oo.o wackiness...
21:44 < knghtbrd> more?
21:45 < akh> Yeah--I've been fighting it off and on over the weekend.
21:49  * knghtbrd suggests a serving fork
21:49 < akh> Might help
21:51 < dmacks> fink-* person who suggested "let's make the bazillion languages a separate package" might be onto something here.
21:53 < dmacks> It's a text editor, not emacs...we don't need to build the whole kitchen sink.
21:54 < akh> Yah
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21:56 < knghtbrd> emacs is a wonderful program environment
21:56 < knghtbrd> now if only it had a decent text editor
21:56 < akh> heh--it also doesn't do presentations well.
21:57 < knghtbrd> regarding package splitting, I was kinda miffed to find out that fink install svn-ssl didn't give me svn
21:57 < akh> ?
21:58 < knghtbrd> svn-ssl doesn't include svn.  =)
21:58 < akh> You mean the client?
21:58 < knghtbrd> you have to seperately install svn-client-ssl to get that
21:58 < knghtbrd> why anyone would install one without the other is beyond me
21:59 < akh> This may be one of the results of what we had to do to deal with svn's horrible build process.
21:59 < knghtbrd> it's not like you can just install svn-client-ssl without installing apache2 and all either since to compile the Subversion DAV module you need Apache, and in order to compile the client you have to install all of that crap for compiling the server too
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22:00 < knghtbrd> yeah, I noticed it had a lot of dependencies  ;)
22:00 < ugly> can someone here running Tiger tell me what version of bash is distributed with it?
22:00 < Jerub> sure.
22:00 < knghtbrd> it needs what, perl, python, and ruby at compile time?
22:00 < knghtbrd> that's getting ridiculous  ;)
22:00 < ugly> (all you have to do is 'echo $BASH_VERSION')
22:01  * Jerub is logging in.
22:01 < ugly> thanks
22:01 < Jerub> 2.05b.0(1)-release
22:01 < ugly> heh damn
22:01 < akh> knghtbrd:  it needs what it needs, I guess.
22:01 < Jerub> why?
22:02 < ugly> why me?
22:02 < Jerub> why damn/
22:02 < ugly> writing a bash script that I want to be compatible with as many UNICES as possible, but something is always wrong
22:02 < Jerub> ugly: that's why they invented perl you know
22:03 < ugly> true, but I'm a gimp
22:03 < Jerub> because shell scripts were non-portable.
22:10 < akh> OK--this is borked
22:10 < akh> When my .cshrc is present the script craps out because it's in the wrong working directory.
22:11 < akh> sans .cshrc it works fine.
22:12 < ugly> Jerub: would you mind also checking 'seq --version'?
22:12 < ugly> last request
22:13 < Jerub> -bash: seq: command not found
22:13 < ugly> ok, thanks
22:20 < dmacks> KFC is advertising "all white-meat boneless wings, made from breast meat"
22:22 < zizban> ha!
22:25 < akh> That's great.
22:25 < ugly> at least it's made from meat
22:26 < akh> They'll be the first ones to sell culture-tank meat when it comes out.
22:26 < dmacks> True that.
22:26 < zizban> heh
22:26 < akh> ugly, And meat from the same animal, too.
22:26 < ugly> yea
22:27 < dmacks> The Colonel himself is the uber-secret 12th spice.
22:28 < zizban> a little bit of the colonel goes a long way
22:28 < akh> KFC is made out of people!
22:28 < akh> (person)
22:29 < ugly> what was the soilent green line? "is people"?
22:29 < dmacks> "Soylent green is people! It's people! We have to warn everyone!" or something like that.
22:29 < ugly> :D
22:29 < ugly> I like him chasing monkeys instead
22:30 < dmacks> Fortunately, there's nobody who doesn't already know KFC is made from people that would care.
22:30 < akh> True.
22:30 < zizban> yep
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23:15 < newmanbe> If Fink ever gets something like this http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/being_packaged.en.html , don't tell me.
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