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00:02 < dmacks> Done.
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02:56 < dmacks> msachs: Does the $BUILT_PRODUCTS_DIR also work in XCode-1.x?
02:56 < msachs> dmacks: I think so, let me check.  I know it works with 2.0.
02:57 < msachs> Based on http://www.opendarwin.org/pipermail/cvs-xpostfacto-all/2005-January/001589.html, I say yes.
02:57  * dmacks works to keep 10.3/10.4T in sync.
02:57 < msachs> (Search for "BUILT_PRODUCTS_DIR")
02:57 < dmacks> Yup, looks like it.
02:58 < msachs> Groovy.
02:58 < msachs> How's it going?
02:59 < dmacks> Over-worked. Job-search is hard enough without also trying to be productive at current-job.
02:59 < msachs> Why are you searching?
02:59 < dmacks> I have a closed-ended appointment, and the end is rapidly approaching.
03:00 < msachs> Ah.  What sort of thing are you looking for?
03:00 < dmacks> Something chemistry-ish...research, education, computational-side...whatever.
03:02 < msachs> I know Brandeis is ramping up its bioinformatics program, the COSI dept recently hired a new prof who specializes in that stuff.
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03:08 < dmacks> g'nite all.
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08:50 < cirdan> morning all
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09:37 < akh> And the conspiracy continues.  ;-)
09:39 < cirdan> heh
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09:41 < akh> And given that there are multiple maintainers involved, we're talking about a _real_ conspiracy now.  :D
09:45 < akh> We need to see if vasi has the message still--he could post it somewhere private so that we can read it when we need a laugh.
09:46 < akh> heh:  "Error (normal, supposed to happen): Failed to execute child process "nonexistent_application" (No such file or directory)"
09:46 < akh> Any bets to whether we see that in a build failure report on glib?
09:46 < newmanbe> All fail all the time!
09:47 < akh> No, that's oo.o for me.
09:48 < cirdan> heh
09:48  * akh finally gave up--I don't want to futz around with adding extra patches to get the thing to build.
09:48 < newmanbe> Who made the package?
09:49 < akh> You mean who's the maintainer?
09:49 < akh> The subject of that script you were going to write.
09:49 < newmanbe> Yeah,
09:49 < newmanbe> s/,/./
09:50 < akh> There's extensive threads in the mailing lists (I'm not sure if all of them cc Todai though)
09:51 < newmanbe> <-- Hasn't been reading the mailing list recently. :(
09:51 < newmanbe> Ah, the Todai Fink Team are the maintainers.
09:51 < akh> yup
09:52 < newmanbe> And they've been missing...
09:52 < akh> yup
09:52 < akh> hmm:  Longhorn -> Vista
09:53  * akh will resist!
09:53 < newmanbe> Vista?
09:53 < akh> Windows Vista
09:54 < cirdan> haha
09:54 < newmanbe> Sound's something like a Visa.
09:54 < akh> Well, a vista is a view, so it's not totally asinine.
09:54 < newmanbe> It is so terrible to use, you need permission from the gub'erment.
09:54 < akh> And your monitor has to have DRM stuff in it.
09:55 < newmanbe> Has to?
09:55 < newmanbe> I thought only the stuff that I wouldn't watch anyway wouldn't work?
09:55 < akh> Ah--that's right.
09:55  * akh was spreading FUD, by accident.
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09:56 < newmanbe> !lart the file people for not recognizing binaries for Plan 9 for what they are.
09:56  * Melian forces the file people for not recognizing binaries for Plan 9 to use Outlook Express for what they are.
09:56 < newmanbe> Or rather,
09:56 < newmanbe> !lart Apple
09:56  * Melian lowers Apple's priority
10:01 < akh> yay--xcircuit upstream hasn't put out a 3rd %v in as many days.
10:01 < akh> (yet)
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10:04 < gimbit> can anyone help me get fink up and running?
10:05 < newmanbe> Sure.
10:05 < newmanbe> Are you having problems?
10:05 < gimbit> I have OS X 10.4, and just downloaded version 0.8
10:05 < gimbit> I've installed it, but it won't work
10:05 < newmanbe> Did you read the directions for installing it?
10:05 < gimbit> I'm wondering if it has to do with the fact that I've moved my home dir to another partition?
10:05 < gimbit> it installed okay
10:06 < gimbit> I get the error that fink is not a command
10:06 < gimbit> or either is apt-get
10:06 < akh> That's irrelevant to where your home directory is.
10:06 < newmanbe> Did you set your path?
10:06 < gimbit> okay, that's good to hear
10:06 < gimbit> I've tried
10:06  * newmanbe guesses you didn't.
10:07 < gimbit> that hasn't worked
10:07 < gimbit> heh
10:07 < gimbit> thanks newmanbe
10:07 < gimbit> well, I'm guessing it isn't set now that I've tried to re-install it
10:07 < akh> You can't.
10:08 < gimbit> no, I still have the line: . /sw/bin/init.sh  put in my .profile
10:08 < akh> Did you start a new terminal?
10:08 < akh> (i.e. have you started one since installing Fink)?
10:08 < gimbit> yes
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10:09 < akh> And if you run 'printenv PATH' what do you get?
10:09 < gimbit> ack, that didn't come out right
10:09 < gimbit> I get "/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin"
10:09 < newmanbe> Your path is not set correctly.
10:09 < cirdan> do file /sw/bin/init.sh
10:09 < gimbit> figures
10:10 < cirdan> gimbit: do you have a .bash_profile?
10:10 < gimbit> command not found
10:10 < cirdan> ?
10:10 < cirdan> you don't have a /usr/bin/file command?
10:11 < cirdan> if not, your install is seriously messed up 
10:11 < cirdan> erease os x and start over
10:11 < gimbit> no, the response to "/sw/bin/init.sh" was "command not found"
10:11 < cirdan> thats not that i told you to do
10:11 < cirdan> i said file /sw/bin/init.sh
10:12 < cirdan> hahaha: http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/3325/ruck0zl.jpg
10:12 < gimbit> done
10:12 < cirdan> what was the result?
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10:12 < gimbit> result "/sw/bin/init.sh: ASCII English text"
10:13 < cirdan> you are using bash, right?
10:14 < gimbit> how do I check?
10:14 < gimbit> or change to bash?
10:14 < gimbit> I think the default is tcsh
10:14 < cirdan> echo $SHELL
10:14 < gimbit> the echo gives me "/bin/bash"
10:14 < cirdan> ok
10:15 < cirdan> does ~/.bash_profile exist
10:15 < gimbit> where would it be located for me to check?
10:16 < zizban> do ls -a
10:16 < akh> Exactly where cirdan said (hence the ~).
10:16 < akh> ls a ~
10:16 < akh> oops  ls -a ~
10:16 < zizban> :)
10:16 < gimbit> heh
10:16 < gimbit> um, I see a .bash_history
10:16 < gimbit> that's it
10:17 < gimbit> and a .profile
10:17 < gimbit> but not the file you want to see there
10:17 < gimbit> or, am I missing developer tools?
10:19 < akh> No.   By the way, you're using the OS X terminal?
10:19 < gimbit> correct
10:19 < gimbit> would it be better to use X11?
10:19 < akh> No--worse.
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10:19 < gimbit> k
10:19 < akh> (or at least the same right now)
10:20 < gimbit> cool, I've got a stumper for everyone :-)
10:20 < gimbit> I used to have fink running on an older computer, but I just can't seem to get it started on this one
10:20 < gimbit> well, with the new OS
10:20 < gimbit> what should be in the .bash_profile ?
10:21 < akh> The issue is that if you have a .bash_profile it gets used instead of .profile.
10:21 < cirdan> so it's np right now
10:21 < cirdan> just do source /sw/bin/init.sh
10:21 < cirdan> init/sh is not a command
10:21 < cirdan> it's an include file
10:21 < cirdan> now echo $PATH
10:23 < gimbit> source /sw/bin/init.sh give me "tcsh: Badly placed ()'s.
10:23 < cirdan> ah-ha!
10:23 < gimbit> echo $PATH gives me "/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin"
10:23 < cirdan> i knew you wern't running bash
10:23 < gimbit> eurika??
10:23 < cirdan> the errors were not bash's errors
10:23 < gimbit> okay, so how do I run bash?
10:24 < gimbit> I'm pretty new to this stuff, but would like to learn
10:24 < cirdan> do chfn
10:24 < cirdan> what does it say?
10:24 < gimbit> changing user database information
10:24 < gimbit> there is a Shell: /bin/bash
10:25 < cirdan> ok
10:25 < cirdan> i bet your terminal.app is using tcsh anyway
10:25 < cirdan> for some reason...
10:25 < gimbit> yes
10:25 < cirdan> look under prefs/window settings
10:25 < cirdan> yes, you mean you set it?
10:25 < gimbit> I have no clue
10:26 < cirdan> heh
10:26 < gimbit> the shell is tsch
10:26 < cirdan> to change it to use the default shell
10:27 < gimbit> looking to find where to do that....
10:28 < gimbit> in terminal preferences, says execute this command:  "/bin/tcsh"
10:28 < cirdan> change it to the default button
10:28 < cirdan> /bin/login
10:28 < gimbit> I've now selected execute the default login shell using /usr/bin/login
10:29 < cirdan> ok, close terminal windows and open a new shell
10:29 < gimbit> it works now
10:29 < cirdan> yup
10:29 < cirdan> ok
10:29 < gimbit> thanks for your help!
10:29 < gimbit> nice, the APT has Super Cow Powers...lol!!
10:29 < akh> Super Cow Powers?
10:29 < cirdan> yup
10:29 < gimbit> sure
10:29 < cirdan> apt-get moo
10:29 < cirdan> :-)
10:30 < gimbit> LOL
10:30 < akh> heh
10:30 < gimbit> that is hilarious!!!
10:30 < akh> Never tried that.
10:32  * newmanbe moos.
10:32  * cirdan lights up the grill for a beef cookout...
10:33 < TheSin> sweet pu ttwo on for me to start
10:34  * newmanbe calls PETA and watches as they tourch cirdan's home.
10:35 < TheSin> ya cirdan stop eating all those wild cows
10:35  * cirdan throws PETA on the grill also
10:35 < cirdan> MEAT!
10:35 < TheSin> your destroying their natural habitat jezzz
10:35 < cirdan> :-)
10:35 < TheSin> :P
10:35 < gimbit> cool PETA burgers
10:35  * cirdan passes TheSin some mustard and pickles
10:36 < TheSin> mmm pickles
10:36  * TheSin cracks two beers and passes one to the cook
10:37 < cirdan> w00t!
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12:48 < akh> mmm...2 hours of lull...
12:48 < zizban> shessh and you had to go ruin it!
12:49 < akh> heh
12:49 < zizban> :)
12:50 < zizban> bbl
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13:17 < bmaret> hi there
13:18 < bmaret> why libtool package does not provide libtool binary ?
13:20 < bmaret> oh ok. it does.
13:20 < bmaret> but it is called glibtool.
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13:53 < akh> bmaret: Yes--there's a separate "libtool" that is installed on your system that does something else.
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14:16 < newmanbe_> .
14:16 < newmanbe> .
14:16 < newmanbe> Hmm, the Jabber<-> IRC transport kind'a works.
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14:20 < akh> kinda-sorta
14:20 < newmanbe> Yes, newmanbe_ didn't get the roster or any messages.
14:22 < dmacks> If anyone has a moment, I'd love comments (substance, style, proofreading, etc) of http://www.netspace.org/~dmacks/fink/perl-module-policy
14:23 < akh> dmacks: Are you going to include not conflicting with perlxyz-core?
14:24 < akh> where xyz != XYZ, of course.
14:25 < akh> wait, that was confusing.
14:25 < akh> --clarify--
14:27 < dmacks> akh: yeah eventually. I want to get at least this bit so far into the doc ASAP, since it's enforced by the 0.24.8 validator.
14:28 < akh> Ah--looks good, then.  And I don't have to do anything which is also a plus.
14:45  * akh debates running the random paper generator to come up with some additional conference papers for my research group.
14:45 < dmacks> heh
14:45 < akh> (they'd be conspicuously offtopic at the conference, though) 
14:46 < akh> I'd have to have appropriate buzzwords and figures to put into the engine--that's the ticket. ;-)
14:47 < dmacks> They should implement pluggable modules so one could tailor to various fields.
14:47 < akh> Yup.
14:47 < akh> Wouldn't actually want to pay money for it, but...
14:47 < dmacks> Use gettext:)
14:48 < dmacks> export LANG=physics 
14:57 < akh> physics-plasma
14:57 < akh> (as opposed to physics-particle, physics-condensed_matter, ...)
14:59 < akh> hmmm...wonder why the Finder went wonky when trying to replace Thunderbird.app with thunderbird.app
15:02 < akh> Silly combination of Unix sensibilities with a case-insensitive file system, I guess.
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16:05 < akh> Time to grab that old train...
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17:20 < spundun> hi all...
17:20 < newmanbe> Hello.
17:21  * spundun was going to ask a question, but found the answer himself, he thinks.
17:21 < newmanbe> That is always a good thing. :)
17:21 < spundun> yeah :)
17:22 < spundun> hmm it didnt do what I wanted it to do. :(
17:23 < spundun> I want to cleanup all the .tar.gz files and .deb files from fink, they occupy space unnecessarily
17:23 < spundun> I tried fink cleanup .. but didn work.. the files are still there
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17:48 < crafterm> hi all, are there some known problems upgrading tiger to unstable?
17:48 < Melian> Many greetings, all, are there some known problems upgrading tiger to unstable, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty.
17:49 < newmanbe> Melian: Quiet you.
17:49 < newmanbe> crafterm: Not that I know of...
17:49 < newmanbe> cirdan? What was with that?
17:49 < crafterm> hmm - i followed the instructions in the faq - but it looks like the index files are missing..
17:49 < newmanbe> You changed the sources list?
17:49 < crafterm> ie. updated the Trees: to include unstable/main and unstable/crypto
17:49 < newmanbe> You selfupated?
17:50 < crafterm> did a self update, but a fink index faileed..
17:50 < newmanbe> Failed?
17:50 < newmanbe> !lisppaste
17:50 < Melian> You can use lisppaste to paste errors at http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink , instead of flooding the channel.
17:51 < lisppaste> crafterm pasted "what i was trying to do" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/10123
17:51 < crafterm> and just copying the error now..
17:53 < lisppaste> crafterm annotated #10123 with "fink update problems" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/10123#1
17:53 < crafterm> ok - thats what happened? any ideas what i did wrong?
17:54 < newmanbe> Oops, I forgot I was trying to help you.
17:54 < crafterm> :)
17:54  * newmanbe looks at the paste again.
17:54 < crafterm> thanks mate :)
17:55 < newmanbe> And what happens when you try 'fink selfupdate'?
17:55 < lisppaste> Spundun pasted "dia build fails on Tiger Xcode 2.1" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/10125
17:55 < crafterm> well, it went off and downloaded/built a whole bunch of stuff
17:55 < crafterm> as far as i could tell it worked ok..
17:56 < crafterm> do i have to update the "Distribution: 10.4-transitional" to something else perhaps?
17:56 < newmanbe> !unstable
17:56 < Melian> it has been said that unstable is http://www.finkproject.org/faq/usage-fink.php#unstable , or at http://www.finkproject.org/faq/usage-fink.php#bindist
17:57 < newmanbe> The first one should tell you everything you need to do.
17:57 < crafterm> that's the instructions i was following :)
17:57 < crafterm> .."If you want Fink to use all of unstable, edit /sw/etc/fink.conf, add unstable/main  and unstable/crypto to the Trees: line, and then run fink selfupdate; fink index; fink scanpackages.."
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17:58 < crafterm> added unstable/main & crypto - did the fink selfupdate, but the index was the one that emitted the error..
17:59 < newmanbe> Can you install packages?
17:59 < newmanbe> The index should be updated when you do that if it needs to be.
18:00 < spundun> can someone take a look at my paste above about the dia build fialing?  is it a known bug?
18:00 < crafterm> newmanbe: ok - trying now
18:00 < newmanbe> spundun: You could try seeing if it is in any of the mailing lists.
18:00 < newmanbe> !mailinglists
18:00 < Melian> Visit http://www.finkproject.org/lists/ to learn about Fink's mailing lists, including web, NNTP, and blog access to their archives.
18:26 < spundun> newmanbe: emailed to fink-devel
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18:30 < dmacks> spundun: cleanup is pretty poor right now. I'm rewriting it (CVS tag cleanup_modes), but waiting until we get fink0.24.8 out before finishing and merging into HEAD.
18:31 < spundun> dmacks: cool... ok
18:31 < spundun> dmacks: I will remove big files manually meanwhile
18:32 < dmacks> crafterm: the warnings (not errors) about source package list files is explained in the FAQ.
18:32 < htodd> spundun: you're the first to report it
18:32 < spundun> htodd: hmmm, 
18:32 < spundun> htodd: did you recently update it?
18:33  * spundun and htodd talking about my new post on dia build failure
18:34 < dmacks> Sounds like one of the XCode2.1 "features"
18:36 < dmacks> You gotta add some static declarations earlier in "some file".
18:38 < htodd> therefore I'm ignoring it until soemone else reports it as well 
18:40 < htodd> sorry, my second sentence should have been attached to the first. (lag)
18:40 < dmacks> spundun: what XCode are you using?
18:42 < spundun> dmacks: I think 2.1
18:43 < dmacks> (aw damn...dependencies didn't compile in the latest complete rebuild so no useful data there)
18:45 < dmacks> msachs just posted the solution:)
18:46 < dmacks> ...which is safe for 10.3 users also.
18:53 < spundun> oh, new fink version.. cool
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22:52 < gzl> if I want to stop maintaining a fink package, I just set the maintainer to fink-devel, right?
22:52 < newmanbe> Yes.
22:52 < gzl> ok.
22:52 < newmanbe> No.
22:52 < gzl> ?
22:52 < newmanbe> You sett the maintainer to none and the e-mail the the fink-devel mailing list.
22:52 < newmanbe> s/sett/set
22:57 < gzl> ok.
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23:48 < TommyTheKid> sortof off topic, but y'all can probably help... I have decided during my most recent install to use "partitions" (for /Users only this time) and I figured out how to get it mounted at boot time, but it doesn't appear when I browse thru finder (I can see it in the terminal) .. any tips?
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