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04:09 < pyrohotdog> list -YES
04:09 < pyrohotdog> oops/
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04:18 < pyrohotdog> anyone here alive?
04:20 < pyrohotdog> hmm.
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04:36 < knghtbrd> life is overrated
04:41 < pyrohotdog> hey?
04:41 < pyrohotdog> can anyone help me?
04:46 < knghtbrd> nope, completely impossible.
04:46 < knghtbrd> don't read minds
04:50 < pyrohotdog> oh oops.
04:50 < pyrohotdog> okay, so fink list is only giving me 100 packages.
04:50 < pyrohotdog> why??
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05:29 < knghtbrd> have you done a fink selfupdate ?
05:29 < pyrohotdog> yes.
05:30 < knghtbrd> 10.4 may not have many stable packages yet--may want to go with unstable in that case
05:30 < pyrohotdog> I am...hmm.
05:31 < knghtbrd> that is, if you would rather have lots of stuff than stuff that's sure to always work
05:31 < knghtbrd> it sounds like you're not getting a full package list
05:31 < pyrohotdog> yeah pretty much...
05:32 < knghtbrd> anyway, people come and go at all hours around here--if there's nobody around right now who has any ideas, someone should be along sooner or later  =)
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05:40 < Jobf> hey folks ive just installed fink and when I do a selfupdate, cvs refuses my connection. Is this because certain packages are offline according to the sourceforge status page (including those beginning with F)?
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06:40 < chris01> Jobf: still here? my fink selfupdate with cvs worked fine.
06:40 < chris01> Maybe just try again. Are you a fink developer, or using anonymous cvs?
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07:19 < Jobf> chris: anon
07:23 < chris01> Jobf: ah ok, then you should probably switch to rsync selfupdate method anyway
07:23 < chris01> it is more robust, and faster
07:24 < chris01> unless you have specific reasons to stay with cvs
07:24 < chris01> just do a 'fink selfupdate-rsync' once.
07:37 < Jobf> ok
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09:32 < baba> hey
09:49 < newmanbe> Hey.
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10:27 < MacinMan> hey guys I installed the mplayer package in fink under Tiger, It doesn't seem to work correctly it's trying to use arts instead of playing natively in aqua
10:30 < MacinMan> just wondered if this was a bug
10:38 < newmanbe> Probably not.
10:38 < newmanbe> Does it have a CoreAudio plugin?
10:38 < MacinMan> well now it's working
10:38 < MacinMan> the first time i tried it it didn't
10:38 < MacinMan> it tried to use arts
10:41 < MacinMan> hey newmanbe does the fink mplayer allow you to manually ad codecs
10:42 < newmanbe> I imagine it would.
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10:44 < MacinMan> ok
10:44 < MacinMan> will tinker with it
10:45 < kalessin> Good morning.  I've got a version of ghc in my experimental (I'm crhalpin), that works for me on Panther.  Could I persuade someone with tiger to try building it?
10:45 < MacinMan> i have tiger
10:45 < MacinMan> but i'm building windowmaker at the moment will this build at the same time?
10:46 < newmanbe> kalessin: Hello.
10:46 < kalessin> Probably not a good idea to try building two at once.
10:46 < kalessin> newmanbe morning.  :-)
10:46 < newmanbe> <-- Doesn't have Mac OS X 10.4.
10:46 < newmanbe> But you still got someone to greet you. :)
10:46 < MacinMan> ok
10:47 < MacinMan> I'm watching radiers of the lost ark
10:47 < kalessin> It looks like the SF servers haven't put the stuff I just checked in anyplace a non-developer can get to it anyway.  silly sf.
10:48 < MacinMan> anyone know if ogle works on os x? thats a program i liked on linux for dvds
10:49 < newmanbe> kalessin: SourceForge.net is beyond silly.
10:49 < kalessin> newmanbe it means well, though.
10:50 < newmanbe> lol
10:54 < MacinMan> what's the choice of an X server these days apple's or Xorg
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13:22 < Omnifarious> Oh, the vte package has a problem.
13:23 < Omnifarious> It depends on fontconfig2-shlibs, but the package doesn't say so.
13:23 < Omnifarious> I'm going to email the maintainer.
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14:51 < happy_broccoli> is there a packet sniffer in fink
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14:55 < gzl> is it preferable to set the GCC field to 3.3 or 4?
14:55 < gzl> I'm updating a package and it should work either way
14:56 < cirdan> 3.3 for te transitional pkg
14:56 < cirdan> err, s/pkg/tree
14:57 < gzl> ok
14:57 < gzl> so when should stuff be shifted to 4? later?
14:58 < cirdan> later
14:58 < cirdan> when we have the 10.4 tree
14:58 < gzl> ok.
14:58 < cirdan> right now anything c++ must use gcc3.3
14:58 < cirdan> and don't forget to force it
14:58 < gzl> and I submitted a package and someone asked whether it's intended for 10.3 or 10.4-trans
14:59 < gzl> if it's just using 3.3, why would it matter?
14:59 < gzl> by forcing it, you simply mean including "GCC: 3.3", right?
14:59 < cirdan> no
14:59 < cirdan> look at other packages and see how they force it
14:59 < gzl> ok
14:59 < cirdan> when you build it, it can't use g++, it muse use g++3.3
15:00 < gzl> oh, I see
15:00 < gzl> these packages haven't been updated for over a year, so I'm not up to date on the new procedures)
15:00 < cirdan> heh
15:03 < gzl> ok, I see
15:03 < gzl> and how do I know whether or not the package should be included in both 10.3 and 10.4-trans?
15:04 < gzl> I don't see any reason why not
15:04 < cirdan> it might need different deps...
15:04 < gzl> oh, of course
15:05 < gzl> who works on the Fink documentation?
15:05 < cirdan> depends on who changes what :-)
15:05 < cirdan> akh has been good at documenting stuff though
15:06 < gzl> because I've always found it a little confusing
15:06 < gzl> I'll ask him about it later, I guess
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15:22 < newmanbe> happy_broccoli
15:23 < newmanbe> !pdb
15:23 < Melian> The package database can be found at http://www.finkproject.org/pdb/ .
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17:08 < josh__> does anyone here still have the patch for bootstrapping on gcc 4?
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18:49 < spundun> hi all...
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18:51 < spundun> so how do I fix the buildlock failure?
18:51 < spundun> http://www.google.com/search?q=buildlock+failure+site%3Afink.sourceforge.net
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20:25 < Blo0d> does fink make wget work ?
20:25 < Blo0d> (stupid question? im new :$)
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20:34 < burns> yes
20:34 < burns> by work, you mean that fink can install wget so that you can use it.
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21:50 < euthydem1s> I am getting a validation message that I didn't get before: Warning: Field "source2directory" is unknown. Is this no longer supported?
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21:59 < drm> euthydem1s: i'm pretty sure that it has never been supported
22:00 < euthydem1s> thanks
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23:54 < xhrl> hello, i would like to know if anyone has had trouble installing x11 applications on 10.4 even after installing the X11SDK.pkg? i get fail-messages like this: Failed: Can't resolve dependency "x11" for package "aalib-shlibs-1.4rc5-22" (no matching packages/versions found) Any suggestions?
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