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13:24 < vasi> akh, thanks for the wikispace :-)
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17:44 < pogma> morning
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19:04 < cirdan> hey pogma 
19:05  * cirdan just got back from the beach
19:06 < cirdan> !insult lilo
19:06 < Melian> lilo is nothing but an hasty-witted heap of cockered dung
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19:07 < pogma> hi cirdan
19:08 < pogma> mailing list is very slow this morning
19:11 < cirdan> heh
19:12 < cirdan> that's a good thing
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19:27 < zizban> !lart kubuntu
19:27  * Melian gives kubuntu a good seeing to
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19:36 < drm> anybody else having trouble with sf cvs?
19:37 < pogma> drm: Thanks
19:38  * pogma tries a fink selfupdate
19:39 < pogma> it's just sitting there
19:39 < pogma> Ah - ssh: connect to host cvs.sourceforge.net port 22: Operation timed out
19:46 < drm> yes, i get a similar timeout problem
19:46 < drm> earlier, nothing happened at all
19:46 < drm> site status says that this problem existed on 7/27 but was fixed on 7/29...hmmm
19:47 < zizban> sf fix something correctly?
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20:32 < cirdan> time warp!
20:33 < drm> maybe
20:33 < cirdan> 7/29... of what year?
20:33 < zizban> 1997...no bad year
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20:34 < zizban> 1983
20:34 < zizban> ya thats good
20:34 < drm> this year
20:34 < zizban> got my first kiss that year :)
20:34  * drm withholds questions
20:34 < cirdan> heh
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20:38 < akh> (docs) 1 down, N-1 to go.
20:39 < akh> (where N-> infinity as t->infinity)
20:40 < zizban> wow, thanks for the physics lesson :)
20:43 < akh> anytime
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21:14 < dmacks> Any Todai people alive tonite?
21:17 < zizban> whats a Todai
21:18 < dmacks> Todai is a Japanese university (or some subgroup therein) that maintains a bunch of fink packages.
21:18 < zizban> wow, cool
21:19 < dmacks> They have a lot of japanese and emacs stuff.
21:19 < dmacks> ...and openoffice.org, and they are notoriously non-responsive regarding that last one.
21:19 < zizban> wouldn't you? :)
21:19 < dmacks> ['fink list -mtodai | wc -l' == 167]
21:20 < asari> Hi dmack
21:20 < dmacks> Hi asari!
21:20 < asari> s
21:21 < dmacks> Does anyone read the fink@sodan email, or follow the fink- mailing lists?
21:21 < asari> arr, sorry for my unresponsiveness
21:22 < asari> I'm trying to reduce the consumption of disk space in building oo.o.. 
21:22 < asari> and it seems to work well now
21:23 < zizban> is this 2.0?
21:23 < asari> almost yes, 1.9 cvs
21:23 < zizban> cool
21:24 < dmacks> There are some systematic problems in the way it's packaged. Any plans for major changes?
21:25 < asari> "don't use many splitoffs"
21:25 < asari> "use %type_pkg[lang]"
21:26 < dmacks> Yup. Also "don't download a second copy of mozilla tarball" "don't build your own mozilla and python"
21:26 < asari> well
21:26 < asari> mozilla tarball is really used
21:27 < asari> mozilla source is not included in OOO*.tar.bz2.
21:29 < asari> See `tar jtf /sw/src/OOo_1.9m113_source.tar.bz2 | grep ^moz` if you want :)
21:29  * dmacks downloads....
21:29 < dmacks> (the PatchScript looked suspicious)
21:29 < asari> yes, re-compress the source :(
21:30 < asari> it re-compresses the mozilla source
21:30 < dmacks> Ahhh.
21:30 < dmacks> Why?
21:30 < asari> which Fink has automatically expanded
21:30 < dmacks> b
21:31 < asari> mm, maybe I should patch the build script of OOo
21:32 < dmacks> What does --enable-build-mozilla do?
21:33 < asari> Because mozilla in OO.o is strongly hacked
21:35 < asari> , I should compile mozilla myself
21:35 < asari> .
21:35 < dmacks> If oo.o really needs to build its own mozilla, that is okay.
21:35 < asari> but, me too, I think OO.o in Fink should use Fink's libraries
21:36 < dmacks> I agree (if possible).
21:37 < dmacks> If it can't work, please put a note in DescPort or DescPackaging about it, and look at fink's long mozilla.patch for any important patches.
21:38 < asari> Okay.
21:41 < dmacks> If you really want to disable prebinding, better to use NoSetLD_PREBIND:true instead of unsetenv in CompileScript (same for other LD_ variables).
21:41 < asari> Actually, I don't know the reason for doing that..
21:42 < asari> It works with prebinding for now, maybe it's okay to skip it, I guess.
21:43 < asari> I mean, it's ok to skip "unsetenv"
21:44 < asari> ... "It works ok with prebinding for now" ?
21:45 < dmacks> (I know what you're saying:)
21:46 < dmacks> DescPort says "lammpi-dev or openldap-ssl-dev prevents the build of mozilla." That is the purpose of the BuildConflicts field.
21:47 < asari> I can't find BuildConflicts in the documentation..
21:47 < dmacks> Yikes!
21:48 < zizban> I kind og like the new OO.o Base
21:49 < dmacks> It works like the opposite of BuildDepends...it lists packages that are not allowed to be installed when building.
21:49  * dmacks can't fix docs...sf.cvs is broken. More than usual.
21:50 < asari> I'll try that, thanks
21:50 < dmacks> Also need BuildConflicts for fltk and fltk-x11
21:51 < asari> okay,thanks
21:52 < asari> Many of such conflicts comes with mozilla build.. uhee
21:52 < dmacks> akh (and others) have observed several on fink-users
21:53 < akh> yah
21:53 < asari> ok, I'll take a look at fink-users
21:54  * asari greps subject 
21:55 < dmacks> Also fink-beginners
21:56 < asari> beginners!
21:57 < akh> yup
21:58 < dmacks> Is it true the oo.o package compiles its own python?
21:59 < asari> $B$$$'(Bs
21:59 < asari> yes
21:59 < dmacks> Is that necessary?
21:59 < asari> yes
22:00 < dmacks> As with mozilla, fink's python pkg may have some important patches.
22:00 < asari> mmm
22:00 < asari> ... configure options like  --with-system-mozilla and --with-system-python exsists
22:00 < dmacks> And please document this need. That way when users complain, we can say "it's documented to need its own special one"
22:02 < asari> Okay
22:10 < dmacks> akh: Looks like the latest pyobjc-py24 msg on -beginners sets a new record for "including what's not needed, omitting what is, truncating *everything*"
22:10 < akh> Lemme open up the mail client and take a look for my amusement.
22:18 < dmacks> asari: You are not allowed to have the same package (%n-%v-%r) as a SplitOff of more than one parent package.
22:19 < asari> o
22:20 < dmacks> What do you expect fink to do when you say "fink build openoffice.org"?
22:21 < asari> when I tried, it builds openoffice.org-zu ...
22:23 < dmacks> Right. There is a single openoffice.org package. It contains a pointer to a parent package. There is not a separate openoffice.org package splitoff of each language pkg.
22:24 < asari> well, any problems??
22:25 < dmacks> If I say "fink build openoffice.org-en", it will look for openoffice.org and then build openoffice.org-zu also.
22:26 < asari> ..ok, I'll sprit into two info files
22:27 < dmacks> Thank you.
22:27 < asari> s p l i t 
22:27 < dmacks> :)
22:29 < cirdan> asari: it's "spirit" :-)
22:29 < dmacks> cirdan: No, that's what's in my glass.
22:29 < cirdan> :-)
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22:30  * asari needs google to understand jokes :(
22:31 < dmacks> "spirits" means liquor.
22:31 < asari> I know :)
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