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04:47 < linuxmaniac> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.os.apple.fink.general/18637
04:48 < linuxmaniac> hi pogma
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05:21 < aToaster> Heya guys, can anyone around help me with trying to install ethereal with Fink?  I get this message, "Failed: Can't resolve dependency "x11" for package "gtk+2-2.4.9-9" (no matching packages/versions found)", and I have X11 installed.
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07:28 < Fingolfin> grrrrr silly math.uoregon.edu mail server
07:29  * Fingolfin is trying to mail the TeXShop developer, but all my mails get returned, seems all my SMTPs are being blacklisted (?) by their mail host..
07:29 < Fingolfin> only way I can reach 'em is via my own university mail account
07:29 < Fingolfin> silly
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08:05 < linuxmaniac> why postgresql74-dev depends on postgresql74?
08:06 < linuxmaniac> I dont need postgresql installed... just need the headers!!
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08:43 < pogma> you need the libraries to link
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09:21 < pogma> drm: Hey
09:22 < drm> hi pogma
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09:23 < pogma> I'm not sure that I told you where my free time went
09:24 < drm> no, you didn't
09:24 < pogma> I took a part time job at http://thewrittenword.com
09:24 < pogma> making packages for pretty much every system but Mac OS X
09:25 < drm> yeah, i see that :)
09:25 < pogma> I never realized that I was for sale until I heard the price :)
09:25 < drm> it's an odd name, considering what they do
09:26 < pogma> yeah, I never got all the posts from china -at- thewrittenword.com to the libtool lists, wondered what a writer was doing with libtool bugs :)
09:27 < drm> well, i have to dispute their claim that they provide service for all major UNIX platforms
09:27 < drm> i would say: all but one!
09:28 < pogma> :)
09:28 < drm> did they buy hardware for you?
09:28 < pogma> yeah, just a cheap box to use to ssh
09:28 < drm> ah
09:29 < drm> presumably, pkgutils requires root access?
09:29 < pogma> yes, have root access on 20+ boxen
09:29 < drm> i've been thinking about fink installations without an admin account privelegen, recently
09:30 < pogma> I like some of the things he does
09:30 < drm> (largely because my desktop machine for the next 4 months will likely be a mac to which i do not have admin access)
09:30 < pogma> made me think that fink needed to make 'fink' hard to use and provide binaries for everything
09:30 < drm> yeah
09:30 < pogma> eh? No admin access?
09:31 < drm> yeah, i'll be at a physics institute which is a mac shop but has systems staff
09:31 < drm> they might give me admin access, but i won't be surprised if they don't
09:31 < pogma> you have a powerbook, I've seen it :)
09:32 < drm> (OTOH, when i went to the O'Reilly OS X conference a few years ago i encountered the head of the systems staff there, so he knows my mac credentials)
09:32 < pogma> I think fink without admin access is unlikely to happen in that short a time
09:32 < drm> pogma: true enough, but i don't want to have to lug it back and forth every day
09:33 < drm> pogma: build-as-nobody works pretty well
09:33 < drm> and if I install to ~/sw, i shouldn't need admin access
09:33 < drm> i will try this, anyway
09:34 < pogma> And I will cross my fingers :)
09:34 < drm> passwd is a problem
09:35 < drm> but hopefully i don't use any of those pkgs
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09:37 < drm> pogma: with all those symlinks, it looks kinda like "stow"
09:37 < drm> cirdan, cirdan
09:38 < pogma> everything is installed into its own prefix
09:38 < pogma> it works, but is ugly
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09:38 < drm> pogma: the web page says that symlinks then point from a shared location back to the installation directories
09:39 < pogma> yeah, you can chose to set up links
09:41 < pogma> not my decision, but it works. Getting paid to make packages is kinda fun
09:41 < drm> absolutely
09:41 < drm> also provides an excellent answer to "honey i wish you wouldn't spend so much time on that damn computer" :)
09:42 < pogma> yeah, like "I'm paying for the house" :)
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09:43 < geewz> anyone good at starting Gnome 2.6 fom xterm?
09:43 < cirdan> morning all
09:43 < drm> hi cirdan
09:43 < drm> cirdan, under what conditions have you tested the new essential-splitoff code?
09:43 < pogma> cirdan: hi
09:43 < cirdan> drm: bootstrap
09:43 < drm> bootstrap is not where the problems were
09:43 < cirdan> it was
09:44 < drm> problems arose when you tried to update an essential package to a newer version
09:44 < cirdan> i had never noticed it until i tried to bootstrap
09:44 < drm> which is why the old code was the way it was
09:44 < drm> so i want somebody to check that updating is not a problem with the new code
09:45 < cirdan> also, the fink call in dpkg...why can't we just use builddeps?
09:45 < drm> that was a symptom of the problem... the old code admittedly couldn't handle that
09:45 < cirdan> oh
09:45 < drm> if the builddep needed to be reinstalled, there was a big problem
09:46 < drm> circular deps
09:46 < drm> that never occurs in bootstrappin, only in upgrading
09:46 < cirdan> ah, so we should be able to test just by making them builddeps and uninstalling the -devs
09:46 < drm> also have to test with a change in version of some essentials
09:47 < drm> and god help us when we add a new essential, like gettext3-shlibs
09:47 < cirdan> drm: well, it did occour in bootstrap...libncurses5-shlibs(essent) was a splitoff of ncurses, and fink refuxed to build ncurses first because of it
09:47 < cirdan> hehe
09:48 < drm> didn't i rearrange the ncurses packages to avoid that problem?
09:48 < cirdan> yes
09:48 < cirdan> but the new code fixed it
09:48 < drm> then where is the problem?
09:49 < drm> new code may have fixed it, but it also may have broeken other things...i want evidence that it didn't break stuff!
09:49 < cirdan> just because the package was rearranged doesnt mean it wasn't still a bug
09:49 < drm> not all bugs can be fixed, without introducing other problems
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09:49 < cirdan> right
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09:50 < drm> anyway, this change makes me extremely nervous, because the code in question was written in response to situations where i completely broke fink: dpkg couldn't be used because the wrong shlibs were there
09:51 < cirdan> well, can't make an omlet w/o breaking a few eggs ;-)
09:51 < cirdan> we'll test it
09:52 < drm> cirdan: yeah, you and i repeatedly differ about that omelet thing
09:52 < cirdan> i do a dpkg upgrade right now
09:52 < cirdan> drm: i just understand the def. of unstable a little better ;-)
09:53 < pogma> s/better/differently/
09:53 < drm> cirdan: what makes this code snippet particularly unwelcome right now, at least in branch_0_24 where dmacks put it at your request, is that we were about to release fink-0.24.9 which is a candidate for stable
09:53 < drm> the first candidate for stable on the 0.24 branch
09:53 < cirdan> drm: i didnt request it, vasi just told me to test it
09:53 < drm> but this code IMO makes it unsuitable for stable until after a long testing period
09:54 < drm> sorry, vasi not dmacks
09:54 < drm> cirdan: you told vasi that fink needed it soon, or some such
09:54 < cirdan> drm: that was for dist-upgrade
09:55 < cirdan> which is needed for the 10.4 tree
09:55 < drm> ah
09:55 < drm> that's still on a branch, right? i will have a look
09:55 < cirdan> yes
09:55 < cirdan> it works ok
09:55 < cirdan> there are some features i'd like to add before the 10.4 tree though
09:56 < cirdan> but i dont know the dep engine enough to do that
09:56 < drm> well, the 10.4 tree might be ready in a matter of days
09:56 < drm> although there is no plan for how users get it
09:56 < cirdan> (psst...dist-upgrade)  ;-)
09:57 < drm> how do they get a new tree, cirdan?
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09:57 < drm> we now have code which makes self-update only ujpdate the current tree
09:58 < cirdan> my code is able to change the active tree
09:58 < cirdan> change tree, so whatever needs to be done, call fink selfupdate
09:58 < cirdan> so/do
09:59 < cirdan> still, how are we avoiding mixing c++ libs? versioned deps on everything?
10:00 < drm> yes
10:00 < cirdan> ah, fun
10:00 < drm> yes
10:00 < cirdan> also ncurses does have a c++ lib, but most things don't use it...
10:00 < drm> i know
10:01 < drm> to link to it, you have to call c++... if you call c++, you have set the GCC field and your pkg will be updated 
10:01 < drm> through versioning
10:01 < cirdan> I prolly should make that a splitoff
10:02 < drm> not now, please
10:02 < cirdan> no, not now
10:02 < cirdan> :-)
10:02 < drm> after this upgrade, maybe
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10:02 < qball> hi... I got a problem compiling a lib.
10:02 < qball> ld: multiple definitions of symbol _mpd_TagItems
10:02 < qball> .libs/libmpd.o definition of _mpd_TagItems in section (__DATA,__common)
10:02 < qball> .libs/libmpdclient.o definition of _mpd_TagItems in section (__DATA,__common)
10:03 < qball> works fine on linux
10:03 < qball> any ideas?
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10:05 < drm> qball: are you using the -undefined dynamic_lookup flag?
10:05 < qball> not that I am aware off.
10:05 < cirdan> drm: he's linking 2 .o files together
10:05 < cirdan> not dylibs
10:05 < drm> you're just letting libtool set the compile-time flags?
10:05 < cirdan> qball: i think you might wanna try -fno-common
10:06 < drm> yeah, that's an idea
10:07 < cirdan> but, iirc, you cannot have a symbol defined twice in a binary
10:07 < cirdan> one needs to be an extern or somehting...
10:07 < qball> hmmm odd that it compiles withouth problems on linux.. and as far as I know those aren't in both 
10:08 < qball> but libmpd uses libmpdclient
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10:08 < drm> qball: the linkers behave very differently in linux and os x 
10:08 < qball> it doesnt help
10:08 < qball> drm: so I notice..  I hoped to get gmpc to compile.
10:09 < qball> gcc -dynamiclib  -flat_namespace -undefined suppress -o .libs/libmpd-0.01.0  .libs/libmpd.o .libs/libmpdclient.o .libs/debug_printf.o  -install_name  /sw/custom//lib/libmpd-0.01.0 -compatibility_version 1 -current_version 1.0
10:09 < qball> that is where it goes wrong.
10:10 < drm> qball: this came from libtool?
10:10 < qball> yeah. guess so
10:10 < cirdan> ok drm, i removed a bunch of splitoffs that dpkg needs, and moved the fink call to builddeps
10:10 < cirdan> qball: use the very latest libtool
10:11 < drm> cirdan: qball is compiling a stock package, probably can't easily change the libtool version
10:11 < qball> drm: it's my own code
10:11 < cirdan> well, he might not want -flat_namespace
10:12 < cirdan> qball: older libtools are more broken on os x
10:12 < pogma> not libtool's fault
10:12 < drm> qball: in that case, cirdan's advice is good... there has been a lot of recent libtool progress on os x
10:12 < cirdan> it's *always* libtool's fault
10:12 < qball> drm.. trying it now
10:12 < pogma> someone is defining something in a header that should only be declared
10:12 < drm> pogma: right
10:12 < cirdan> thought you went to bed, pogma :-)
10:12 < qball> it will be 1/2 the fun.. next is gmpc self
10:12 < qball> the beast
10:12 < cirdan> pogma: ah, so he could extern it in the header, right?
10:13 < cirdan> i think i had to do that once in a package
10:13 < pogma> yeah, and ensure that it is defined somewhere
10:13 < qball> what do you advice.. gcc-4 or 3?
10:13 < pogma> for some reason ELF lets that pass
10:13 < cirdan> yeah
10:13 < cirdan> bah ELF!
10:13 < cirdan> bad
10:13 < drm> qball: gcc 4
10:14 < drm> qball: mac-on-intel won't have gcc 3
10:14  * cirdan injects cvs HEAD and tests dpkg...
10:14 < qball> you guy's never tried mpd or a client?
10:14 < drm> cirdan: that's "bad ELF, no cookie"
10:15 < drm> qball: um, we have iTunes :)
10:15 < qball> checking dependency style of gcc... gcc3
10:15 < qball> hmmm
10:15 < drm> qball: that's correct for gcc 4
10:15 < qball> drm: I got flac's and oggs 
10:15 < cirdan> yeah..."Get back in that sweatshop and make some toys!"
10:15 < qball> and itunes wants to import all my songs.. 
10:15 < cirdan> qball: itunes can do ogg
10:15 < qball> my mac doesnt have that space
10:15 < cirdan> flac, maybe go to apple's lossless
10:15 < qball> no
10:16 < qball> btw.. mpd is running on a secondary box
10:16 < qball> just need a client.
10:16 < drm> qball: not saying iTunes is for everyone, just explaining why there isn't a lot of demand for other music players on this platform
10:16 < qball> drm: Get it.. but I always am advocating (for that well known devil)
10:16 < qball> but still no working libmpd
10:16 < drm> audio and video on darwin are tricky
10:17 < qball> libmpd is only socket stuff
10:17 < drm> ok
10:17 < drm> sockets are tricky too! :)
10:17 < cirdan> heh
10:17 < qball> same code is use in a native client, and that works
10:18 < qball> any other suggestions?
10:18 < drm> qball: did you see pogma's comment above about include vs. define in headers?
10:19 < qball> nop.
10:19 < drm> that may be the root of your problem
10:19 < pogma> dude
10:19 < pogma> don't int foo=1; in a header
10:19 < cirdan> heh
10:20 < pogma> declare things, don't define them
10:20 < drm> s/include/declare/
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10:21 < qball> nothing decleared in the header files
10:21 < qball> just defined.
10:21 < pogma> rotfl
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10:21 < qball> #define TRUE 1 and stuff like that.
10:22 < pogma> what about mpd_TagItems
10:22 < pogma> that's in a .h, right?
10:22 < drm> cirdan: how did the test go?
10:22 < qball> that is an enum
10:22 < qball> hmmmm (also not my code)
10:23 < cirdan> drm: still fiddeling
10:23 < cirdan> Failed: Can't resolve dependency "gettext-bin gettext-dev gettext-tools libiconv-dev libncurses5" for package "dpkg-1.10.21-222" (no matching packages/versions found)
10:23 < cirdan> forgot the commas :-(
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10:24 < moike> hey
10:24 < drm> hi
10:24 < cirdan> The following package will be installed or updated:
10:24 < cirdan>  dpkg
10:24 < cirdan> The following 4 additional packages will be installed:
10:24 < cirdan>  gettext-dev libiconv-dev libncurses5 libncurses5-shlibs
10:24 < qball> ok.. that fixed it
10:25 < drm> cirdan: sounds good
10:25 < cirdan> hmm, it sees an old ncurses still
10:25 < Fingolfin> cirdan: hey wait a moment! What do you mean, "Bad ELF" ???
10:25  * Fingolfin feels insulted ;-)
10:25 < moike> I just installed kde and want it run at it's full potential speed. are there any tricks to lower system resources in aqua?
10:25 < drm> Fingolfin: ROFL
10:26 < moike> i remember i stumbled upon a program that claimed to Quit the finder
10:26 < drm> moike: you can log in to darwin with no aqua at all
10:26 < cirdan> Fingolfin?!?!? when did you sneak here
10:26 < drm> moike: at the os x login screen, type ">console"
10:27 < cirdan> in case you didn't notice, i'm also an elf :-p
10:27 < Fingolfin> cirdan: about 4 hours ago. You know what they say about us elves... we are pretty good at sneaking... =)
10:27 < moike> drm, but can i boot kde?
10:27 < cirdan> Fingolfin: no sound, no footprints
10:27 < cirdan> how ya been?
10:27 < drm> moike: that logs you in to the command line, and then you can start X
10:27 < drm> X11
10:28 < moike> let me give it a shot
10:28 < moike> brb
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10:30 < Fingolfin> cirdan: thanks, fine. Been preparing for a major exam recently, which I passed (with very good result :-) last week. Am now adding the last few finishing touches to my master thesis. Will hand it in in 1-2 weeks... other than that, I am right now hacking on TeXShop
10:31 < Fingolfin> I love TeXShop, but boy, the source code is a mess :-)
10:31 < qball> another stupid question I need the perl XML::Parser is there a package off?
10:31 < cirdan> cool
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10:31 < cirdan> fink list xml
10:31 < moike> drm, i got a bunch of display errors
10:31 < drm> Fingolfin: i don't think they originally planned to release the source
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10:32 < drm> moike: i haven't done this for a long time, but it should still be possible...may need to modifi=y your .xinitrc or something
10:33 < Fingolfin> drm: ah well, Dick's been releasing it for a long time now, and it underwant some restructuring since then... but essentially, people (including me) submit patches, they get added... but with little to no cleanup. Hence, about 5 different indention styles are being used, classes are named like "MyWindows" and "MainWindows" (right, the former is for the PDF view, the latter for text editing :-), and so on .... alas, I creaed a SVN a
10:33 < Fingolfin> rchive now and am cleaning up the source, fixing bugs, adding some other nice things...
10:33 < Fingolfin> major task: revamp the localization, and make a nicer prefs dialog...
10:33 < Fingolfin> unfortunately, my mails are being blocked by math.uoregon.edu <sigh>
10:33 < drm> Fingolfin: great!
10:33 < drm> excpet the last bit, of course
10:34 < Fingolfin> seems they don't like the SMTP servers I use.... had to send mail via my university account
10:34 < drm> recently i had the problem that mail my mother sent from her earthlink account didn't reach my duke account :/
10:34 < drm> i think email's days are numbered
10:35 < pogma> hah! I "tested" the libtol-2.0 framework stuff, forgetting to test building an application
10:35  * pogma goes to fix
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10:35 < cirdan> heh
10:36 < cirdan> hmm, drm what's your ncurses version?
10:37 < drm> Fingolfin: i have thought from time to time that we need a texshop package in fink... martin costabel might even have made an experimental one...and we allow .app's these days
10:37 < drm> cirdan: 5.4-2004102
10:38 < cirdan> k
10:38 < cirdan> seems to work drm...it's updating iconv atm
10:38 < cirdan> and alredy installed gettext-dev
10:39 < drm> cirdan: good news
10:39 < cirdan> drm: bear in mind, we still have bootstrap.pm updating a special list of packages
10:39 < drm> yes i know
10:39 < cirdan> we might not need that code either, not sure
10:40 < cirdan> does selfupdate also have a special list?
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10:40 < drm> cirdan: they use a common list
10:40 < cirdan> uhh...
10:40 < cirdan> libtool: link: warning: library `/tmp/fink.build/root-libiconv-1.9.2-11/sw/lib/libiconv.la' was moved.
10:40 < cirdan> libtool: link: cannot find the library `/sw/lib/libiconv.la'
10:40 < cirdan> but i dont know why icong is being updated
10:40 < cirdan> was it updated in cvs?
10:41 < drm> right, that's cause libiconv-dev is not installed
10:41 < drm> i don't think it has been updated
10:41 < cirdan> drm: iconv-dev shouldn't be needed when building libiconv-dev
10:41 < cirdan> i must not have the deb around then
10:42 < cirdan> well, that's bad
10:42 < drm> possibly... like i said, this part of the code is hard to fathom... and because of that, its hard to modify anything there without runing into unintended consequences
10:42 < cirdan> and it's not dpkg's fault
10:43 < cirdan> drm: i think it's just a case of a .la or something wanting /sw/lib/libiconv.la, but it's not installed
10:43 < cirdan> try it on old code, see what happens
10:43 < cirdan> meaning before the change in head
10:44 < cirdan> when was that done, anyone remember?
10:46 < drm> consult the cvs logs, cirdan
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10:51 < Fingolfin> oops, I missed drm
10:51 < Fingolfin> wanted to tell him that there *is* a TeXShop package in Fink =)
10:51 < cirdan> heh
10:52 < Fingolfin> anyway... Richard Koch so far hasn't replied my mails regarding creating a public Subversion repository for TeXShop, and my various plans and suggetions for changes... mailed him one week ago... if he doesn't reply in another week, I'll consider making a (temporary) fork...
10:52 < Fingolfin> hrm
10:53 < cirdan> how do i get a certain version of a file?
10:53 < cirdan> nm
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10:53 < qball> wooot.. it works
10:59 < qball> http://images.qballcow.nl/gmpc-mac.png
11:00 < cirdan> cool
11:00 < qball> dyld: Symbol not found: _strndup
11:00 < qball>   Referenced from: /sw/custom//lib/libmpd-0.01.0
11:00 < qball>   Expected in: flat namespace
11:00 < qball> oeps.
11:01 < qball> I wonder where the config is save..
11:01 < cirdan> qball: whats the app in the doc that's a g-cleg?
11:01 < qball> MpcOSX
11:01 < qball> but it doesn't realy work ok
11:01 < cirdan> oh
11:02 < cirdan> er, clef
11:02 < qball> that's why I wanted my gmpc
11:02 < qball> but that strndup sucks..  
11:03 < cirdan> Fingolfin: if you see drm, tell him it's still the same error build libiconv
11:03 < cirdan> it's a bug in the package, i guess
11:03 < cirdan> it can't be built unless the -dev is installed, it wants the .la for some reason
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11:05 < qball> are there any plans (gtk-osx.sf.net seems dead) to run gtk natively?
11:10 < Fingolfin> cianhughes: yeah
11:10 < Fingolfin> cirdan: there is an open bug report on that issue
11:10 < pogma> Fingolfin: dyld bug in 10.4.0 -> current, may be fixed in 10.4.3 that cah be "fixed" by setting DYLD_FALLBACK_LIBRARY_PATH is the basefiles discussion on -core
11:10 < Fingolfin> cirdan: ... on which I recently commented stating that the issue still occurs :-)
11:10 < cirdan> heh
11:16 < qball> is there a way to set the gtk theme? 
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11:32 < Lemming> hi, I'm trying to install mplayer
11:33 < Lemming> but it seems that fink can't find a package named mplayer
11:34 < Fingolfin> AAAAAARGHHHHH I *HATE* Mail.app !!!! It just deleted a major part of my mail archive... OK I was a bit stupid but *Never* should it have done *this* 
11:34 < Fingolfin> gnaaa
11:34 < Fingolfin> anybody know if there's a way to undelete a whole dir tree on OS X ?
11:34 < Fingolfin> lord, this is a nightmare
11:35 < Lemming> drag the parent directory to the trash using the Finder
11:35 < Lemming> :)
11:35 < Lemming> or rm -rf directory
11:35 < Fingolfin> no
11:35 < Fingolfin> I created a new mailbox: "Projects/"
11:35 < Lemming> mailbox?
11:35 < Fingolfin> what it did was to create the mailbox "Projects", with a submailbox "/"
11:35 < Fingolfin> yeah. Mail.app, as I said
11:36 < Fingolfin> well... then I made the two crucial mistakes:
11:36 < Fingolfin> I moved my project mail folders ("Fink" being one of them) into "Projects"
11:36 < Fingolfin> then I noticed this silly "/" mailbox
11:36 < Fingolfin> so I told Mail.app to remove it ...
11:37 < Fingolfin> one second after I did that I though... "uuhm, wait, surely they won't program Mail.app in a stupid fashion where it'd do something like "rm -rf pathto-mail//", right" ???
11:37 < Fingolfin> then I killd Mail.app.. Alas, it already had managed to delete *all my friggin project related mail*
11:37 < Fingolfin> ggah
11:38 < cirdan> Fingolfin: look in ~/Library/Mail/Mailboxes
11:38 < Fingolfin> yeah
11:38 < cirdan> maybe some/all is still there
11:38 < Fingolfin> the files are all gone
11:38 < Fingolfin> definitely
11:38 < Fingolfin> I was doing a ls in Mailboxes and saw them vanish one by one
11:38 < cirdan> if there is an mbox around...
11:39 < cirdan> o
11:39 < Fingolfin> apple doesn't use mboxes under 10.4
11:39 < Fingolfin> the files are deleted, for sure
11:39 < cirdan> imap!
11:39 < Fingolfin> I already did a search on the HD
11:39 < cirdan> do u rm all remote mail?
11:39 < Fingolfin> and I luckily made a backup one week ago. Alas, that's one week of mails lost
11:39 < cirdan> i had fs corruption and lost 2 years of personal mail
11:40 < cirdan> totally sucks
11:40 < Fingolfin> yeah. I do that. Because of this other mail.app bug, where it occasional fails to download mail from my pop server if I do not configure it to delete mail as it is downloaded <sigh>
11:40 < Fingolfin> still... GGRRRRRRR
11:40 < Fingolfin> so... I guess... no way to undelete files on HFS+.... or is there.... ? <sigh>
11:40 < pogma> use mutt :)
11:41 < pogma> Fingolfin: its gone
11:41 < Fingolfin> yeah... mutt/pine probably wouldn't show "/" as a subdirectory of my mail dir ... =)
11:41 < pogma> you can search for the data, but you'll just get bits and pieces, I think
11:42 < Fingolfin> aye. I'll get the backup now 
11:42 < Lemming> so how do I install an unstable Fink package from the command line?
11:42 < pogma> fink install <pkg>
11:42 < Lemming> I did
11:43 < Lemming> fink install mplayer
11:43 < Lemming> but it can't find the mplayer package
11:43 < pogma> enable the unstable tree
11:43 < Lemming> there are some mplayer packages (font, skin)
11:43 < Lemming> how do I do that?
11:43 < pogma> !unstable
11:43 < Melian> [unstable] http://www.finkproject.org/faq/usage-fink.php#unstable , or at http://www.finkproject.org/faq/usage-fink.php#bindist
11:43 < Lemming> thanks
11:43 < Fingolfin> well, i guess I am lucky anyway. After all, it could have tried to "rm -rf /", too.. thinking about it, hey, I guess I can get people to format their HD this way! "Felle, create a mailbox called 'Projects/../../../", then delete it again" 
11:43 < pogma> wtf? Why does that say finkproject.org?
11:44 < cirdan> don't look at me
11:44 < cirdan> finfo unstable
11:45 < Fingolfin> gee. My mail backup was done before I upgrade to 10.4. So I can't use it. Or rather: I need to force Mail.app to reimport them...... ah, the fun is endless
11:45 < cirdan> !factstats unstable
11:45 < Melian> error: invalid type => 'unstable'.
11:45 < Lemming> ok it's updating thanks
11:47 < Lemming> huh why does it want to install fink 0.24.8 ?
11:48 < cirdan> cayse thats the latest
11:48 < Lemming> skips from 0.8.0 to 0.24.
11:48 < Lemming> that's a leap :)
11:51 < Fingolfin> no
11:51 < Fingolfin> 0.8.0 is the distro version
11:51 < Fingolfin> 0.24.8 the package manager version
11:52 < Lemming> oh ok
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12:16 < Fingolfin> argh. So Mail.app 10.4 has imported my old Fink etc. mailboxes from my 10.3 backup. fine... only that when i click on one of them, it tells me that "this message hasn't been loaded from the server yet"...... the .emlx files Mail.app created do contain the data, though
12:16 < Fingolfin> <sigh>
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12:31 < cirdan> Fingolfin: rebuild the mailbox?
12:31  * cirdan aways
12:31 < Fingolfin> yeah
12:31 < Fingolfin> doing that right now
12:32 < Fingolfin> guess I'll just delete my Envelope Index.
12:34 < chori> anybody tried to get e17 to start in os x?
12:38 < fink> not me
12:38 < fink> wtf?
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12:38 < zizban> there
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14:11 < drm> cirdan?
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15:37 < meestaplu> hi all
15:38 < meestaplu> I just got a mac laptop, and I'd like to use Amarok on it -- but I'm not sure how to get the unstable version of Fink
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15:41 < meestaplu> sorry if it's a dumb question, but how do I do this?
15:56 < Feanor> !unstable
15:56 < Feanor> Melian: unstable?
15:56 < Feanor> hm i can't remember the trigger
15:56 < lisppaste> sss annotated #3846 with "sdd" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/3846#3
15:56 < Feanor> http://fink.sourceforge.net/faq/usage-fink.php?phpLang=en#unstable
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17:13 < ralfWORK_> so uhm
17:13 < ralfWORK_> why does this fink installer say that my drive doesnt support symlinks?
17:13 < ralfWORK_> I just created one
17:15 < pogma> there is a FAQ item on it
17:16 < ralfWORK_> ok
17:16 < pogma> permissions on / are odd, or something, I don't recall
17:17 < pogma> http://fink.sourceforge.net/faq/usage-fink.php?phpLang=en#non-admin-installer
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21:14 < bish0p> trying to install mplayer via fink.. people speak of being able to type 'fink install mplayer' .. however mplayer doesn't find mplayer..  this was an older fink.. so did the 'fink selfupdate' and it still doesn't find it
21:14 < bish0p> is this a messed up config problem?
21:14 < zizban> okay, what OS?
21:14 < bish0p> tiger
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21:15 < zizban> mplayer isn't available for Tiger--it's in unstable and you can get it if you really want to
21:15 < zizban> the package is mplayer-altivec, btw
21:15 < bish0p> ohh, how do i do that?
21:16 < bish0p> thanks
21:16 < zizban> !unstable
21:16 < zizban> !faq
21:16 < zizban> okay let me find the link
21:17 < zizban> http://fink.sourceforge.net/faq/usage-fink.php?phpLang=en#unstable
21:19 < bish0p> ouch, not so simple as --enable-devel or something
21:19 < zizban> nope, it isn't :)
21:20 < bish0p> thanks.
21:26 < zizban> np
21:29 < bish0p> so, is a bad idea or fairly safe to just enable all the devel stuff?  (how devel is it.. almost ready for prime time or is a bleeding mass of raw coredumps)?
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21:33 < zizban> they can be buggy but most are just package awaiting positive feedback for the move to stable
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21:48 < vasi> so if you try one, and it works, tell the maintainer!
21:49 < vasi> then (s)he can move it to stable sooner :-)
21:51 < zizban> do we have any shes?
21:52 < newmanbe> None that I know of...
21:52 < zizban> thought so
21:52 < vasi> i think miga is, no?
21:53 < zizban> I dunno
21:53 < vasi> and i thought i saw another when browsing the contributors list
21:53 < zizban> you may be right
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22:13 < MacinMan> i'm having trouble with fink i had to force quit fink durring a build earlier when i'm ready to go back and rebuild i keep getting a buldlock error due to fink still thinks the package is being built from the other time
22:14 < MacinMan> how do i totally reset it without having to reinstall stuff
22:15 < newmanbe> !$25
22:15 < newmanbe> :)
22:15 < newmanbe> Oops, Melian isn't back yet. Nevermind.
22:15 < newmanbe> Doesn't it tell you want to do?
22:16 < MacinMan> well it says remove the package but it doeswn't register as installed
22:16 < newmanbe> You shouldn't be trying to remove the package itself.
22:17 < MacinMan> oh
22:17 < newmanbe> I think it is something like fink-buildlock-packagename-dateandtime.
22:17 < MacinMan> well it lists a time stamp
22:17 < newmanbe> That whole thing is the name of the package that is used as a build lock.
22:17 < MacinMan> ok
22:24 < MacinMan> newmanbe i fixed it
22:24 < newmanbe> Good. :)
22:24 < MacinMan> it's going about it's way now
22:24 < MacinMan> it toold me to remove the buildlock
22:30 < zizban> the buildllock problem will be fixed in the next release btw
22:30 < MacinMan> ok
22:30 < MacinMan> in 0.249?
22:31 < zizban> ya
22:31 < MacinMan> ok will wait for it to come out
22:33 < zizban> should be soon
22:34 < MacinMan> ok
22:35 < MacinMan> can the os x gcc be made to produce elf style binaries
22:35 < newmanbe> Mac OS X does not use ELF-style binaries.
22:36 < MacinMan> ok
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22:37 < MacinMan> i forgot what elf even stood for
22:38 < newmanbe> No idea.
22:38 < newmanbe> Elephants Like Fudge. ;-p
22:38 < MacinMan> might be
22:38 < MacinMan> i've been pleased with finks performence on this ibook though
22:38 < newmanbe> Good. :)
22:39 < MacinMan> yeah i was expecting the ibook to get hot quick and so on
22:39 < MacinMan> seems to be really good at not getting too hot
22:39 < newmanbe> Fink wouldn't have much control over that.
22:40 < newmanbe> Because Fink is just scripts to build things.
22:40 < MacinMan> well i was thinkg the cpu usage from the compiling
22:41 < newmanbe> Yes, it would be the same whether or not you used Fink to compile whatever it is you are compiling.
22:41 < MacinMan> ok
22:41 < MacinMan> right now it's kde]
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