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00:04 < cirdan> Melian: test
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00:38 < cybr> I'm having issues with building an apache2 module on fink, anybody done this?
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02:31 < pmdboi> hey, all... just installed gtk with fink 0.8.0, and i'm having a problem compiling the "hello world" program from the gtk+ 1.2 tutorial
02:31 < pmdboi> specifically
02:31 < pmdboi> /usr/bin/ld: Undefined symbols:
02:31 < pmdboi> _gtk_window_show
02:31 < pmdboi> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
02:31 < pmdboi> the output from "nm /sw/lib/libgtk.dylib" has a 't' next to _gtk_window_show
02:32 < pmdboi> so... any ideas?
02:32 < pmdboi> it is the program and the command on this page
02:32 < pmdboi> http://www.gtk.org/tutorial1.2/gtk_tut-2.html
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02:47 < pmdboi> man, this is so fucked up
02:47 < pmdboi> it compiles and links just fine if i comment out the gtk_window_show(window); line
02:47 < pmdboi> but the window doesn't show, naturally
02:47 < pmdboi> so it seems like it's just that symbol...
02:57 < pmdboi> ok, never mind, problem resolved
02:58 < pmdboi> it was supposed to be gtk_widget_show(window)
02:58 < pmdboi> i wasn't reading correctly
02:58 < pmdboi> apparently gtk_window_show is in the header files, but it's only a local symbol in the library
02:58  * pmdboi sighs
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11:25 < drm> cirdan?
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11:40 < cirdan> yes drm
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12:45 < chori> have anyone tried to get rox to compile?
12:45 < newmanbe> Are you having problems?
12:46 < chori> yes
12:46 < chori> i downloaded from the homepage and get some errors
12:46 < newmanbe> !lisppaste
12:46 < Melian> You can use lisppaste to paste errors at http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink , instead of flooding the channel.
12:47 < newmanbe> Do you mean you are trying to make a package?
12:47 < chori> should I past all errors?
12:47 < newmanbe> What you think is needed.
12:47 < chori> ok
12:48 < lisppaste> chori pasted "trying to compile rox" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/10583
12:49 < chori> No, Im just trying to compile it for my own use.
12:49 < chori> However I managed to get fluxbox 0.9 running and think it would be nice to make a package of that, but have no idea on how to do that.
12:56 < chori> someone understand how to fix the problem?
12:59 < newmanbe> Don't know.
12:59 < newmanbe> Perhaps someone else can help.
13:00 < newmanbe> I would try looking at the INSTALL instructions for rox.
13:02 < chori> yes, but there is no instructions for os x. There is a warning on the beginning about that.
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13:04 < newmanbe> There is an (probably) old version of rox in Fink.
13:04 < newmanbe> http://www.finkproject.org/pdb/package.php/rox
13:05 < newmanbe> Only for 10.2 though.
13:06 < newmanbe> !viewcvs
13:07 < Melian> it has been said that viewcvs is a web interface to Fink's CVS tree at http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/fink
13:07 < newmanbe> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/fink/dists/10.2-gcc3.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11/ <-- Look for the files that begin with rox .
13:08 < chori> I'm running 10.4 so the fink version is no help
13:08 < chori> but I will check the links
13:09 < newmanbe> You could use those files and update the version number.
13:15 < chori> ok, I have no idea about how to do that.
13:15 < chori> :(
13:16 < chori> Is there some other good filemanager?
13:18 < newmanbe> Umm, Nautilus, Konqueror, Midnight Commander...
13:22 < chori> newmanbe: Both Nautilus and Konqueror are to large and Midnight Commander doesn't support drag and drog
13:23 < newmanbe> Those are the only ones I know of.
13:23 < newmanbe> I don't use a file manager really.
13:24 < chori> newmanbe: Ok. thanks
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14:08 < drm> hmmm... brasilian spam
14:11 < cirdan> heh
14:11 < cirdan> hey drm
14:11 < cirdan> you called?
14:12 < cirdan> hey, i wonder if the iconv bug could be fixed by not using the .la in the makefile
14:15 < drm> cirdan: cvs branches are are to figure out... where is your actual dist-upgrade code change? i found some code in Engine.pm... anywhere else?
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14:16 < shadowarts> hey how do i get gcc to use the libraries i downloaded with apt-get
14:17 < drm> !compile-myself
14:17 < Melian> i heard compile-myself is http://fink.sourceforge.net/faq/usage-general.php#compile-myself
14:17 < drm> shadowarts: that was for you
14:17 < shadowarts> k
14:18 < cirdan> heh
14:19 < cirdan> drm: cvs up -dP -j dist-up-branch
14:19 < cirdan> i think that's it
14:19 < cirdan> that gives you my branch
14:19 < drm> but i don't want to do that, i just want to read the code you wrote
14:19 < drm> (plus, your branch is not up to date)
14:19 < cirdan> and cvs diff -u -j HEAD -j dist-up-branch
14:19 < cirdan> should be it
14:20 < cirdan> right, but i can merge to head quickly
14:20 < drm> if you can do so, you know where your code is...where?
14:23 < cirdan> cvs diff -u -r dist-up-branch-7 -r dist-up-branch would give the diff
14:24  * cirdan sync to head
14:24 < drm> good, thanks
14:30 < cirdan> committed
14:31 < cirdan> ok, bbl
14:31 < cirdan> the tag for it is dist-up-branch
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14:33 < drm> thanks
14:33 < drm> surely the klingon-english dictionary was not supposed to be part of this?
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15:15 < cirdan> ?
15:23 < drm> in the cvs log
15:26 < newmanbe> Fine! Blame me! See if I care.
15:27 < drm> hehe
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15:53 < RangerRick> guten tag
15:53 < drm> guten tag
15:53 < drm> u in germany or something?
15:54 < RangerRick> no
15:54 < RangerRick> just sayin'
15:54 < drm> did you hear about pogma's new part time job?
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15:55 < RangerRick> no...
15:56 < RangerRick> been pretty out of the loop recently
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15:56 < drm> its why he has no free time anymore... http://thewrittenword.com
15:57 < drm> rangerrick: as best i can tell, both the postgresql group and the kde group will work fine in the 10.4 tree if we continue to compile them with gcc/g++ 3.3 ... if they can be updated at some time in the future, the whole group would have to be updated at once (but you always do that anyway, so no problem)
15:58 < RangerRick> heh  :)
15:58 < RangerRick> I will try to get them updated
15:58 < drm> no rush
15:58 < drm> is what i'm saying
15:59 < drm> they are not an obstruction to creating the 10.4 tree... they will not be the only things still back at gcc 3.3
16:00 < RangerRick> ok
16:16 < dk0r> anyone use filebuddy?
16:16 < drm> not me
16:16 < dk0r> how does one get access to invisible files?
16:17 < dk0r> trying to get in here "Users/Shared/.Trashes/501"
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16:31 < RangerRick> dk0r: you can always use "open" on the command-line: "open /Users/Shared/.Trashes/501"
16:31 < dk0r> sudo?
16:32 < dk0r> will it show hidden contents tho?
16:32 < dk0r> dk0r-corps-powerbook-g4-17:~ root# open /Users/Shared/.Trashes/501
16:32 < dk0r> 2005-08-07 16:33:32.112 open[1973] No such file: /Users/Shared/.Trashes/501
16:34 < newmanbe> That shouldn't have a .Trashes.
16:34 < newmanbe> Only root of drives IIRC.
16:35 < newmanbe> Or partitions.
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20:46  * dmacks wonders if wiki changes can be gatewayed to fink-tracker or somesuch.
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20:58 < akh> mmm...InfoN not documented well enough...
20:58 < akh> ;-)
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21:03  * dmacks goes to fix InfoN entry
21:04  * akh was commenting on the message on -devel--haven't actually looked at it.
21:05 < dmacks> Read the whole thread...it's not nearly as deficient as the earliest msgs suggest.
21:06 < akh> yeah--I did
21:08 < zizban> Your going to break something, aren't you?
21:10 < akh> me?
21:10 < zizban> either of you :)
21:16 < lisppaste> dmacks pasted "New InfoN text" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/10589
21:16 < dmacks> How's that sounds?
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21:23 < akh_> meh--really need a UPS...
21:24 < dmacks> heh
21:25 < akh_> Or maybe not to have my A/C and router on the same circuit.
21:25 < dmacks> Um, router on UPS perhaps?
21:27 < akh_> Yeah--though the circuit really probably should be a 20 A one.
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21:29 < dmacks> So was that doc fix sensible?
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21:33 < akh> I think so.
21:33 < dmacks> Cool thanks
21:37 < akh> heh--tried to save money on a UPS by getting it at the MIT partner vendor and it looks like it's not going to show up for a couple of weeks, by which time the heat wave may be over.
21:37 < dmacks> Some partnership ya got there:/
21:38 < drm> why does the UPS in my office fail on Friday nights? (roughly 2 out of every 3 friday nights)
21:39 < akh> That's odd, all right.
21:39 < drm> i finally got smart enough to set the thing to reboot when the power fails :/
21:39 < dmacks> Passes out after drinking with the grad students?
21:39 < drm> but in the logs i can see that it is still happening
21:39 < drm> dmacks: possibly
21:39 < dmacks> Erm, maybe "having it boot in your office" isn't such a good idea:/
21:40 < drm> reboot, even...ewwww
21:42 < dmacks> drm: we still have GCC:3.1 pkgs laying around:(
21:43 < drm> dmacks: yes, we do... and its not a problem
21:43 < drm> moreover, the 10.4 tree will have dozens of GCC: 3.3 packages
21:43 < dmacks> They are an isolated dependency tree?
21:43 < drm> yup
21:43 < drm> lots of isolated pkgs, and a few small 3.3 groups
21:43 < dmacks> Okay good.
21:43 < drm> biggest group is kde
21:45 < drm> now, in a few cases, there will be GCC: 3.3 pkgs which depend on GCC: 4.0 packages, but if it compiles, it means it never used the C++ libs (or at least, never used any symbols that changed)
21:45 < drm> so that is ok too
21:45 < dmacks> Gotcha.
21:46  * drm has completely compiled 10.4/stable, and is currently "compiling" all GCC pkgs in unstable
21:46 < drm> using g++-4.0
21:46 < dmacks> Wow. Great!
21:47 < drm> lots of stuff in unstable doesn't compile, so its hard to know if the problem is g++-4.0 or something else :/
21:47 < dmacks> So the GCC fields in 10.4T/stable are correct? How about unstable?
21:47 < drm> dmacks: no, the fields are not yet correct
21:47 < drm> getting the fields correct means doing all the dependency updating by hand
21:48 < drm> i'm not going to do that until we are ready to make the change
21:48 < drm> however, by starting with a fresh install and using the g++-4.0 compiler, i can verify that everything works
21:48  * dmacks makes periodicpasses to sync  10.4T->10.3 in unstable.
21:48 < drm> what's true is that all SetCXX and SetCC fields in 10.4T/stable are correct
21:48  * dmacks hasn't looked at 10.4T stable->unstable
21:49 < drm> (except for a small number which will have to be updated as i create the 10.4 tree)
21:50 < drm> gonna hold off on making the 10.4 tree for a bit, since we need a good upgrade strategy to be in place... currently evaluating cirdan's dist-up branch
21:54 < dmacks> Now we can travel back in time and wikiize the other ideas we had.
21:54 < drm> yeah, it would be good to have a discussion on the wiki... probably needs to wait for vasi to come back to reach a final conclusion, though
21:55 < dmacks> akh: Do you know a way to either send Wiki page-updates via email or gateway an RSS feed to email?
22:00 < akh> I think it's got an RSS feed on it.
22:00 < dmacks> Right; I want an email feed, hence the question.
22:00 < akh> ah
22:01 < akh> Looking at it, I'd have to say no.
22:03 < dmacks> Since we seem to be discussing things that Actually Matter on it, wanted to have it recorded somewhere more permanent and not require people to check Yet Another Place to see/help/learn fink development.
22:04 < akh> Yeah---the best I've got is the "email link" option.
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22:36 < shadowarts> ok i did this (http://fink.sourceforge.net/faq/usage-general.php#compile-myself)
22:36 < shadowarts> and i still cant compile with the libs i downloaded in fink
22:36 < shadowarts> the headers are there
22:37 < shadowarts> but it says that it cant find it
22:40 < newmanbe> Stupid things compiling against a secific version of perl! *grumble*
22:40 < newmanbe> shadowarts: Most of the people that could best help you are probably sleeping.
22:40 < newmanbe> !map
22:40 < Melian> map is, like, the location of some Fink developers and maintainers. It is at http://finkproject.org/map/ .
22:40 < newmanbe> You can try:
22:40 < newmanbe> !mailinglists
22:40 < Melian> Visit http://www.finkproject.org/lists/ to learn about Fink's mailing lists, including web, NNTP, and blog access to their archives.
22:41 < shadowarts> newmanbe: does the make file have to use the CFLAGS? or are those default?
22:41 < dmacks> shadowarts: Please lisppaste the exact command and its results. It's very hard to debug "I did [something generic] and [some generic-sounding result] happened"
22:41 < dmacks> !lisppaste
22:41 < Melian> You can use lisppaste to paste errors at http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink , instead of flooding the channel.
22:44 < shadowarts> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/5bObVE90.html
22:45 < dmacks> You didn't set [some flag] to pass -I/sw/include
22:46 < dmacks> CPPFLAGS would be my first guess
22:46 < shadowarts> dmacks: i set my $CFLAGS , $CXXFLAGS and $CPPFLAGS to -I/sw/include
22:46 < shadowarts> does the makefile need to specifiy the use of those flags?
22:47 < dmacks> Does this thing use ./configure or a customized compiling system?
22:47 < shadowarts> there is a program that generates the make file, not a ./configure
22:48 < dmacks> Customized system==>customized way to set flags:(
22:48 < shadowarts> well it generates a Makefile
22:48  * newmanbe wonders if it is bad if a Perl module hasn't passed a single test...
22:48 < dmacks> Do the program's docs explain how to set flags for the compile process?
22:48 < newmanbe> Hmm, oops, all X11 tests and X11 is started.
22:50 < shadowarts> dmacks: you cant, but i was wondering if you just need to add something to everyline of the makefile to make it use CFLAGS
22:50 < shadowarts> as i can edit the makefile generator
22:50 < dmacks> Perhaps add $(CFLAGS)
22:50 < shadowarts> ok
22:51 < dmacks> Also email the author "thanks for making it so damn difficult to compile! Please use standard flags."
22:52 < shadowarts> well its a programming library that i am helping port to os x
22:52 < dmacks> Tell them "if you use standard flags, everyone everywhere benefits, even lilnux folks who happen to have files in weird places"
22:53 < shadowarts> well on linux you can use ./configure
22:53 < shadowarts> os x port needs a lot of work
22:53 < dmacks> ./configure doesn't work on OS X? Doesn't sound very standard:(
22:53 < shadowarts> not yet
22:54 < shadowarts> thats going to be my next job
22:54 < shadowarts> once it compiles
22:55 < dmacks> Your time might be better-spent getting the early parts of the process working first. "./configure should pass certain env flags". That way you have to do less custom hacking that will just get superceded later.
22:57 < shadowarts> i guess i just need to take small steps
22:58 < dmacks> That's a good way to start too:)
22:58 < shadowarts> im doing good if it can make it through 5 files with out an error
22:58 < dmacks> *ick*
22:59 < shadowarts> porting can be fun though
22:59 < dmacks> That's why we're here:)
23:00 < dmacks> (also to whinge about SourceForge sucking)
23:02 < shadowarts> lol
23:03 < shadowarts> theres only one way to port things and that is to have you builds fail hundreds of times until you get it right
23:03 < dmacks> Ayup.
23:04 < shadowarts> ive only been using a mac for maybe 3 weeks
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23:06 < shadowarts> this is the best computer i have ever owned in my entire life
23:06 < dmacks> :)
23:11 < dmacks> gah*, our documentation system is annoying!
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23:12 < dmacks> Why do I have to learn French, Japanese, and Chinese just to add a note to an English page?
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