--- Log opened Mon Aug 08 00:00:42 2005
00:04 < dk0r> Off Topic! FireFox is opening new windows as full screens. anyway to fix that?
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00:12 < assassin> hrm... why does this lib have undefined & defined entries of the same symbols...
00:16 < dmacks> Different .o components?
00:16 < assassin> There are
00:18 < dmacks> What's the problem with this then?
00:21 < assassin> Didn't know if that was kosher... anyways, I'm getting link errors if the symbols undefined entry is before a defined...
00:25 < assassin> never mind...
00:25  * assassin hits head
00:25 < dmacks> Eh?
00:26 < assassin> It was linking against a different library than it was supposed to :-[
00:26 < dmacks> Ah.
00:28 < assassin> thanks
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00:36 < zorton> doing a fink update-all seems to want to update quite a few packages along with gcc
00:36 < zorton> seems like an awful lot of compiling, isn't there a binary out there?
00:36 < dmacks> A binary of gcc, or a binary of some of those "quite a few packages"?
00:36 < zorton> well I mainly chicken out over gcc
00:37 < dmacks> 10.3 or 10.4? Which gcc version are you talking about?
00:37 < zorton> well let me find out
00:37 < zorton> i'm on 10.3 with gcc version 3.3
00:38 < zorton> however, somewhere along the line I seem to have broken libgettext3-dev
00:39 < zorton> fink is trying to install gettext-dev-0.10.40-24 overtop of it and failng
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00:40 < dmacks> That's not a broken-ness...gettext-dev and libgettext3-dev are different incompatible versions of gettext, and different packages are configured for one or the other.
00:40 < dmacks> If you're compiling a lot of packges at once, fink gets confused about which to install when:(
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00:41 < zorton> solution would be to see which package is dependent on one or the other and pull it out?
00:41 < dmacks> These are *build* dependencies. The headers cannot coexist but the runtime code can.
00:42  * zorton nods
00:42 < zorton> I think i'm going to do some housecleaning one the packages i've got installed
00:42 < dmacks> So you cannot compile foo (which uses getttext-dev) and bar (which uses (libgetttext3-dev) in a single 'fink' command; but you can install foo and bar themselves (assuming they built) at the same time.
00:43 < zorton> I just looked and I have tetex installed for instance, can't remeber what i was using it for but I don't think I need it around anymore
00:43 < dmacks> Yeah, lotsa cruft accumulates sometimes.
00:43 < zorton> might cutdown on the ammount I need to compile as well :)
00:44  * dmacks hasn't used 'update-all' in years. 'fink list -ot' then remove or update as I decide "useless" or "keep it":)
00:46 < zorton> might be a good idea in this case
00:46 < zorton> i'm trying out fink commander again
00:47 < zorton> last time i tried it I wasn't impressed, perhaps some work has been done on it
00:52 < zorton> Err file: unstable/main Packages
00:53 < zorton> quoth the server, 404
01:12 < cirdan> heh
01:12 < cirdan> dmacks: i synced my branch with HEAD
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01:30  * dmacks commits changes to HEAD
01:31 < cirdan> dmacks: please take a look
01:32 < cirdan> i really want/we need this code for the 10.4 tree
01:32 < dmacks> Do'nt got time right now. drm's lookin' at it.
01:32 < cirdan> k
01:32  * cirdan sleeps
01:32  * cirdan went to the coldplay concert today
01:32 < dmacks> Nice!
01:32 < cirdan> yeah
01:33 < cirdan> my friends wanted to sit all the way back against the fence (lawn seats)
01:33 < cirdan> was ok though
01:33 < cirdan> got a nice breeze
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01:33 < cirdan> look forever fro them to come on
01:34 < cirdan> cover band started at 7:30 i think, played 30-40 mins
01:34 < cirdan> then they came on at like 10
01:34 < cirdan> or close to it
01:35 < dmacks> You should've gone up there and played.
01:35 < cirdan> hah
01:35 < cirdan> jam on my sax
01:35 < cirdan> :-)
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01:36 < cirdan> ok, night
01:36 < dmacks> niet
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01:37 < zorton> god! stop him! he's purging the whole system :)
01:37 < zorton> although i'll end up having to reinstall distcc :)
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01:44 < zorton> I can't seem to get the unstable stuff to load? have the mirrors changed or something?
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01:57 < dmacks> Which stuff? Which mirrors?
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02:04 < zorton> figured it out
02:05 < zorton> the packages.gz is created from fink, not downloaded
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04:05 < aToaster> Heya guys, can anyone help me?  I'm trying to install Ethereal with fink and I get this message "Failed: Can't resolve dependency "x11" for package "gtk+2-2.4.9-9" (no matching packages/versions found)"  Even though I have Apple's X11 installed.
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04:09 < aToaster> Heya guys, can anyone help me?  I'm trying to install Ethereal with fink and I get this message "Failed: Can't resolve dependency "x11" for package "gtk+2-2.4.9-9" (no matching packages/versions found)"  Even though I have Apple's X11 installed.
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04:12 < aToaster> anyone around?
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04:25 < assassin> hahahaha.... no! :D
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08:05 < AndreU> hej RangerRick :-)
08:05 < AndreU> thanks for porting kde!
08:06 < AndreU> just running kontact on my MacMini :-=
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09:10 < akh> "...ultra-right liberals?..." It's nice that the perpetrators of these scam emails never seem to bother with any content checks.
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09:13 < zizban> heh
09:13 < akh> *sigh*  more %p/var/lib/status bitrot
09:13 < akh> (back on topic)
09:13 < newmanbe> !comfort akh
09:13 < Melian> There, there, akh.  It's OK.  I'm here for you.
09:14 < akh> thanks
09:14 < akh> Cool--the auto-thanker looks to be fixed.
09:14 < newmanbe> Finally!
09:15 < newmanbe> Or rather the auto-your-welcomer. :-p
09:15 < akh> Right
09:15 < zizban> cool
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09:20 < akh> hmm...I think I found a missing build-dep for oo.org
09:23 < akh> And a typo in gconf-editor.info, unless there is a "liblpeg" package.
09:26 < zizban> aren't we the little over achiever this morning :)
09:28 < cirdan> heh
09:29 < cirdan> !akhsnack
09:29 < cirdan> :-)
09:29 < akh> To be honest, I've suspected (but not yet proved) the builddepend thing since Saturday.
09:29 < zizban> heh
09:30 < dk0r> bit off topic, but anyone have experience printing from mac over network to windows printer
09:30 < cirdan> yeah
09:30 < dk0r> i can get it to print. Its just not printing 'right/
09:30 < cirdan> works fine
09:30 < cirdan> make sure you have the right driver
09:30 < dk0r> ?
09:30 < dk0r> i have the driver installed on my mac
09:31 < cirdan> on the mac
09:31 < zizban> My daughter's cheap-o lexmark printer doesn't work for me
09:31 < dk0r> When i print i get   %!PS -Adobe-3.0%RBINumCopies:1
09:31 < dk0r> a bunch of junk
09:31 < dk0r> im using an all in one. hp d145
09:31 < cirdan> it's trying to print a pdf direct
09:31 < cirdan> is it a postscript printer?
09:32 < dk0r> im not sure
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09:32 < dk0r> http://h30216.www3.hp.com/ASA/Controller?sysid=84&appid=10251&tierid=hho&que-instock=yes&ctierid=hho&hide=que-instock&goto=results&att-product%20id=C8377A&apptxt-1=http://st.adiho.com/sy/clients/hp/static/na/us_cc_header.html&apptxt-2=http://st.adiho.com/sy/clients/hp/static/na/us_cc_left_aio.html&apptxt-4=http://st.adiho.com/sy/clients/hp/static/na/us_footer.html&jumpid=re_r10602_advisors/adi/hho&jumpid=oc_R1002_USENC-001_HP%20Officejet%20d1
09:32 < dk0r> opps
09:33  * dk0r is checking
09:33 < dk0r> hrm.. didnt find anything in manual regarding post script
09:34 < cirdan> it's PostScript, it's a computer/printer language
09:34 < cirdan> look for pcl also
09:34 < dk0r> yeah i know what it is
09:34 < dk0r> dont know if I have it
09:35 < akh> HP printers frequently have a "p" designation if they're PostScript printers.
09:35 < dk0r> http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/product?product=64992&lc=en&cc=us&dlc=en&submit.y=0&submit.x=0&lang=en&cc=us
09:35 < cirdan> really?
09:35 < zizban> not always
09:35 < cirdan> laserjet4 doesn't have a p :-p
09:35 < zizban> mine is postscript but no P in the name
09:35 < akh> cirdan: The name of the physical printer itself.
09:35 < akh> -p postscript, -n networked, ...
09:36 < cirdan> akh: right... i have a laserjet 4
09:36 < dk0r> hrm.. im not seeing anything
09:36 < akh> OK.
09:36 < dk0r> So i cant use it?
09:36 < cirdan> dtn are the only letters on the new laserprinters
09:36 < cirdan> wven the ones that aren't postscript :-(
09:36 < cirdan> even
09:37 < dk0r> cirdan: So I cant print from mac to pc w/out ps?
09:37 < cirdan> those ones need a -c for crap
09:37 < cirdan> dk0r: , no you can
09:37 < cirdan> something is screwy with your driver it seems, though
09:38 < dk0r> though
09:38 < dk0r> ?
09:38 < cirdan> !alicekill libtool
09:38 < Melian> I want to kill libtool, I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill libtool. Kill. I wanna see libtool's blood and gore and guts and have libtool's veins in my teeth.  Eat libtool's dead burnt body.  I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL! and I jump around with cirdan, yelling "KILL, KILL"
09:39 < zizban> wow
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09:40 < akh> Is it pogma's fault?
09:40 < cirdan> someone's
09:50 < akh> pogma's not around to defend himself--so he's a good candidate. ;-)
09:52 < assassin> recent libtool makes life easier... least me thinks
10:09 < akh> heh:  cirdan told someone to try "dpkg -S" and they used "dpkg -s"
10:22 < akh> woops--/me wound up doing 2 commits instead of one because I missed something the first time.
10:23 < cirdan> heh
10:23 < cirdan> akh: yeah, copy&paste is too hard methinks for some people
10:23 < akh> Seems like it.
10:23 < cirdan> i was half expecting him to type an I instead of |
10:23 < cirdan> ;-)
10:24 < cirdan> or even l
10:24 < cirdan> mmm
10:24 < cirdan> this ascii font i have rocks
10:24 < cirdan> only trouble is sometimes it's hard to tell a capital from lowercase...
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10:54 < cirdan> slow day
10:56 < newmanbe> shres: Give us a Fink problem; now!
10:56 < newmanbe> How's that cirdan?
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11:01 < cirdan> heh
11:03 < shres> newmanbe: you need anything else :p
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11:34 < akh> meh--no builddep problem with openoffice.org--the problem's on my box.
11:35 < akh> I hate it when I can't blame someone else.  ;-)
11:36 < akh> !alicekill Installer.app
11:36 < Melian> I want to kill Installer.app, I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill Installer.app. Kill. I wanna see Installer.app's blood and gore and guts and have Installer.app's veins in my teeth.  Eat Installer.app's dead burnt body.  I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL! and I jump around with akh, yelling "KILL, KILL"
11:36 < akh> ahhh!
11:40 < cirdan> hehe
11:40 < cirdan> akh: yeah, i meant to tell him dpkg -L openoffice.org | grep
11:40 < cirdan> oops
11:41 < akh> ah--I didn't catch that.
11:48 < akh> urgh--I don't remember the initial "fink index" taking so bloody long.
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12:02 < dmacks> !log
12:02 < dmacks> !logs
12:02 < dmacks> Melian? *poke* *poke*
12:04 < dmacks> akh: Thanks for cleaning up gconf-control, which I hadn't meant to commit yet:/ Oh well "thanks for finishing testing it, everyone!"
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12:05 < dmacks> s/control/editor/
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12:17 < akh> dmacks: Sure.  Hope there's not an "lpeg" package.
12:18 < newmanbe_> shres: You can give me an XServ.
12:18 < dmacks> :)
12:19 < dmacks> shres: Me too.
12:20 < akh> I'll take one as well.  ;-)
12:20 < akh> I think there
12:20 < akh> oops
12:21 < akh> I think there's a possible missing virtual package build depend for openoffice-org on system-java13-dev
12:22 < akh> (I was missing those headers in any case and it failed to build)
12:22 < dmacks> Why can't the well-seasoned unix guy figure out "I'll read the manpage for 'dpkg' and 'grep' to see what's happening here"?
12:22 < akh> heh
12:24 < dmacks> Hrm.../me wonders if packages that install profile.d stuff should Depends:base-files
12:24 < akh> probably
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12:28 < dmacks> We'll let -devel fight it out:)
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12:28 < akh> But isn't base-files essential so that everything implicitly depends on it?
12:28 < akh> ;-)
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12:29 < dmacks> Man, if only Melian were alive...
12:30 < akh> Yeah
12:31 < dmacks> Wonder if the new ircd is confuzzling her.
12:32 < dmacks> Wonder if we should do a nightly export of the wiki and send diffs to -tracker?
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12:35 < akh> dmacks:  that could be done.  Which format?
12:35 < akh> (clearly not PDF)
12:37 < akh> Unfortunately the HTML export looks like it's not working correctly.
12:37 < dmacks> Prolly plain-text is sufficient. Just something so one can see what's going on. If one really wants to see every little change-by-change action, he can read the wiki itself.
12:37 < akh> The available formats are HTML, TeX, textile and PDF.
12:38 < akh> textile is probably OK.
12:38 < dmacks> I guess markup/texttile
12:38 < akh> For some reason the home page doesn't come out on the HTML export--not sure why.
12:39 < akh> Or maybe my box is insane
12:40 < dmacks> Whoa, HTML seems to put the wrong pages in each file! HomePage.html is the gnome table, Gnome.html is the gcc page.
12:40 < akh> Yup
12:41 < akh> hmmm...maybe it's time to look for a more sophisticated wiki environment.
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12:47 < dmacks> Looks like it would be easy to gateway a textile dump into CVS...let -commits handle it for now.
12:48 < akh> Sounds good.
12:49 < akh> The textile files at least go with the right page.
12:50 < dmacks> cvs update && curl -O [textile-dump URL] && unzip foo.zip && cvs add && cvs commit -m 'some message'
12:51 < dmacks> || echo "waaaaah! broken"
12:51 < dmacks> s/add/add */
12:51 < dmacks> s/*/*.textile/
12:52 < akh> ah
12:54 < akh> I'll start it out in my exp dir.
12:58 < dmacks> Damn...wish I'd thoughta that excuse. Too late now I guess: http://www.wsoctv.com/automotive/4821085/detail.html
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13:00 < drm> akh: let me know when you've finished with the 10.4 wiki page
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13:25 < dmacks> Melian, Melian, wherefore art thou, Melian?
13:26 < Murr> dmacks, you realize, I hope, that "wherefore" means "why", not "where" ?
13:26  * drm didn't know the name of dmacks gf until now
13:26 < runelind> hey finkers
13:27 < dmacks> Murr: Yup. But I can't find a WillyS line "where the f'k's the blootbot!????!!"
13:27  * dmacks should know better than to sneak Olde English mistakes past y'all:(
13:27 < dmacks> drm: :)
13:27 < drm> hi
13:28 < Murr> he who sneaketh gets bitchslappeth
13:28 < drm> slappethed
13:29 < dmacks> But not larteth, which brings us back to the original issue.
13:30 < Murr> lart not, lest ye be lartethed
13:30  * drm steps up to the plate and volunteers to implement one "lart"
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13:31 < dmacks> What lart through yonder? Windows breaks.
13:31 < drm> rofl
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13:45 < akh> hmmm  curl -O http://ldx3.psfc.mit.edu:2500/akhfinkwiki/export_markup doesn't seem to do anything.
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13:56 < cirdan> yo
13:57 < cirdan> haha
13:58 < cirdan> !botsnack
13:58 < Melian> :), cirdan
13:58 < cirdan> !lart all ye who be larters
13:58  * Melian squeezes all ye who be larters till all ye who be larters turns blue like papa smurf
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15:21 < newmanbe_> http://www.finkproject.org/doc/packaging/policy.php?phpLang=en#openssl <-- What to do if the package isn
15:21 < newmanbe_> 't (L)GPL-ed?
15:21 < newmanbe_> The same thing?
15:26  * newmanbe_ things not because the package useses the three-clause BSD and the Fink packaging manual says BSD counts the same as BSD.
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15:48 < akh> newmanbe: Good point
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15:52 < newmanbe> Oops, Apache counts the same as BSD.
15:52 < newmanbe> lisppaste!
15:52 < akh> heh
15:52 < akh> no lisppaste for you!
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15:58  * dmacks thinks akh is about to learn how annoying cookies are under curl:(
15:59 < newmanbe> s/curl/*/
16:01 < newmanbe> Death to cookies!
16:01 < newmanbe> Death to SourceForge.net!
16:01 < dmacks> Nothin' to do with SF, dude
16:02 < newmanbe> Yes, but they use cookies.
16:03 < dmacks> On a scale of 1 to dmacks-doesn't-give-a-damn, that pins the needle at the high end.
16:05 < newmanbe> Heratic!
16:05 < newmanbe> Off with his head!
16:05  * newmanbe is reminded of a BBC comedy.
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17:18 < cirdan> hey
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17:24 < akh> ugh  curl cookies
17:24 < cirdan> hehe
17:24 < newmanbe> s/  curl//
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20:15 < muesli> hey guys
20:15 < muesli> maybe someone in here knows:
20:15 < muesli> how to link a library statically to a binary in darwin?
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20:21 < newmanbe> megahal!
20:22 < newmanbe> muesli: You might try reading some of the things at http://www.finkproject.org/doc/ or the FAQ at http://www.opendarwin.org/ .
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20:44 < drm> muesli: its not easy
20:44 < drm> muesli: perhaps not entirely possible
20:44 < muesli> drm: oh
20:44 < muesli> drm: thing is
20:44 < muesli> i got qt4
20:44 < muesli> and want to link the qt4 libs to my app
20:44 < muesli> or at least to ship it with the .app folder
20:45 < muesli> i didnt find out how to make  the binary find the qtcore.framework etc. stuff
20:45 < drm> muesli: but if you have a static copy of the library, you can put -l libfoo.a on the link line
20:45 < muesli> aha
20:45 < muesli> got that
20:45 < muesli> thanks
20:45 < muesli> will try
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20:46 < muesli> drm: do you also know if there's a way to remove the resize-handle of an app window?
20:46 < muesli> it's annoying me ;-)
20:46 < drm> no clue
20:47 < drm> but presumbly this is something that aqua expects?
20:47 < muesli> hm
20:47 < muesli> could be
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20:48  * akh_ can't wait for winter.
20:48  * drm plans to remind you of that
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20:49 < msachs> Too hot for you, akh?
20:49 < drm> msachs: you are doing the smart thing, getting out of the northeast this summer
20:49 < akh> msachs: the upper floor of my house is on one 15 Amp circuit.
20:49 < akh> so if I run the AC and have a light on....
20:50 < msachs> drm: Yeah, I get regular reminders from my friends back east...
20:50 < msachs> At least you have AC :)
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20:50 < jerwin> there's a  solution to that.
20:50 < jerwin> snake an extension cord up the stairs
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20:51 < jerwin> remember it's there, so you don't trip.
20:51  * newmanbe watches akh's house go up in flames.
20:51 < akh> jerwin: I would consider it, but I've got two units downstairs.
20:51 < akh> And my wife would kill me if one of the dogs tripped over the cord (or if she did).
20:51 < muesli> drm: -lQtCore.a
20:51 < jerwin> or bit it.
20:51 < muesli> or -llibQtCore.a
20:52 < jerwin> You can get extension cords for higher amps, btw
20:52 < akh> Yeah, I know.
20:52 < drm> mueli: also, this has to precede any -lQtCore on the link line... maybe there can't be any reference to the dynamic one, i don't remember
20:52 < akh> I wanna divvy up the wiring upstairs anyway, though.
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20:54 < jerwin> why is that apple makes it so "difficult" to switch to Java 5?
20:55 < assassin> Use Objective-C!
20:55 < muesli> drm: hm, always getting "ld: can't locate file for: -llibQtXml.a"
20:56 < drm> muesli: ok, you may have to give the entire path or supply an appropriate -L flag
20:56 < assassin> Java is for buzzword whores
20:56  * drm recommends "man ld"
20:57 < drm> rather than drm's memory :)
20:57 < jerwin> yeah yeah. I hear cocoa for java sux. still, I want to learn the lingo
20:57 < msachs> muesli: I think you need to specify /path/to/libQtXml.a instead of -llibQtXml.a
20:57 < muesli> msachs: hm
20:57 < muesli> still the same error
20:57 < muesli> even with the full path
20:57 < msachs> Well does the file actually exist?
20:58 < muesli> yep
20:58 < msachs> If it's complaining "can't locate file for -llibQtXml.a", that sounds like you have -llibQtXml.a on your link line.
20:58 < assassin> Anywho. Is there a way to automatically generate a bundle wraper a library?
20:59 < assassin> *wrapper to a library
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21:00 < muesli> msachs: i did
21:00 < muesli> because /foo/bar/QtXml.a would be wrong if it's /foo/bar/libQtXml.a right?
21:00 < muesli> still cant get it working
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21:01 < msachs> muesli: Right, so you want to remove -llibQtXml.a and replace it with /foo/bar/libQtXml.a
21:01 < muesli> ah without -l?
21:01 < muesli> o
21:01 < muesli> k
21:01 < msachs> Yeah.
21:02 < muesli> ok
21:02 < muesli> some warning
21:02 < muesli> about weak referenced symbols
21:02 < muesli> but let's see
21:03 < muesli> size of binary seems fine so far ;-)
21:03 < akh> hmmm...wonder if I should disable the wiki password so that I can automate generating update notifications.
21:03 < newmanbe> Yay for passwords!
21:03 < akh> Generally I agree.
21:03 < newmanbe> Yay for more work for akh! ;)
21:04 < akh> That would be the problem,yes.
21:04 < newmanbe> Or dump it off on someone else...
21:05  * akh _could_ do it manually without much problem.
21:05 < akh> It's just the principle of the thing.
21:05 < newmanbe> Or whatever does the update notifications could be given the password.
21:05 < newmanbe> Or you could us a system with multiple accounts.
21:05 < akh> There's only one account
21:06 < newmanbe> Which is why I said a a systme with multiple accounts. :)
21:06 < akh> Right--that would involve setting something new up.
21:06 < Feanor> !seen Murr
21:06 < Melian> murr <~neeri@A17-202-20-71.apple.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #fink, 4d 7h 26m 12s ago, saying: 'so it seems I can't really test things conveniently'.
21:09 < muesli> yay
21:09 < muesli> got it running
21:09 < muesli> thanks a lot msachs!
21:09 < msachs> np.  Use it in good health.
21:10  * newmanbe uses this thing --> http://packages.debian.org/testing/utils/vcheck to automagically update Fink packages everywhere.
21:10 < dmacks> akh: curl can pass cookies or passwords.
21:11 < akh> Tried it--no go
21:11 < akh> The export is apparently done via a script
21:13 < dmacks> Ah, it uses session-based cookies.
21:14  * akh can just do a manual capture every evening (where changes have been made)--I can do that remotely and commit to CVS.
21:14 < newmanbe> Most evil.
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21:17 < akh> There:  -commits has it now.
21:17 < akh> And it took less time than for me to figure out how to do it automatically.
21:18 < dmacks> *fine*, do it the easy way.
21:19  * akh is going to look for a more automation-friendly wiki,
21:20 < zizban> we have a wiki?
21:20 < akh> An interim wiki.
21:21 < dmacks> zizban: Welcome to last week:)
21:21 < zizban> wow
21:21 < zizban> thanks :)
21:21 < zizban> and where is said wiki?
21:21 < akh> http://ldx3.psfc.mit.edu:2500/akhfinkwiki/published/HomePage
21:22 < zizban> nifty!
21:22 < zizban> I assume this will eventually be moved to the main site?
21:24 < akh> As things become finished, sure.
21:26 < dmacks> od.org has mediawiki
21:27 < akh> I'll look into it.
21:29  * dmacks summons bbraun.......
21:31  * dmacks wonders why the new ircd doesn't show idle-time in /whois
21:34 < zizban> bbraun? good luck
21:34 < zizban> if you get him, you can butter my butt and call me biscuit
21:36  * dmacks prefers slathering your butt with lemon custard.
21:36 < zizban> heh
21:37 < dmacks> "It's lemon-entry, my dear!"
21:37 < zizban> ewwwwwwwwww heh
21:43 < cirdan> weird.
21:49 < newmanbe> dmacks: Because you are not connected to the same person as you are trying to wois.
21:49 < newmanbe> try /whois dmacks dmacks and see if that works.
21:57 < zizban> I need a windowmanager...any suggestions?
21:59 < newmanbe> This seems to be a perpetual question with you.
21:59 < jerwin> there are as many wms are there are geeks/
22:00 < newmanbe> And my answer has changed! Don't use X11!
22:00 < jerwin> just use aquawm...
22:00 < zizban> heh
22:00 < zizban> this isn't for me and its for a linux pc
22:00 < zizban> he decided on one already
22:00 < zizban> gag kde gag
22:01 < jerwin> why gag?
22:01 < zizban> I just felt spiteful. I have kde barf on me today :)
22:03 < jerwin> I've always felt attracted to windowmaker. Don't know why. Perhaps I had NextStep envy.
22:03 < jerwin> and, I've had to learn to use twm and 4dwm.
22:04 < zizban> I love 4dwm. I have an Octane :)
22:04 < jerwin> cool. obsolete. but cool.
22:04 < jerwin> does it actually have hardware opengl
22:06 < zizban> yes
22:06 < zizban> has had for years
22:06 < zizban> sgi invented opengl
22:07 < cirdan> OpenGL++
22:08 < jerwin> In school, I used an O2. I think it used a mostly software implematation
22:09 < zizban> unless they changed the standard vid card, it was hardware
22:09 < zizban> there are other ways to slow down the UI on sgi :)
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22:12 < jerwin> most of the time, the graphics capabilities weren't used. GLUT wasn't even installed.
22:14 < zizban> that will do it
22:15 < dmacks> newmanbe: /whois used to give idle-time for arbitrary users != self
22:16 < dmacks> Except for idle-rpg, that's what made it useful, no?
22:16 < zizban> My monitor died so I need a new one
22:18 < zizban> so now my second computer is my os/2 box
22:27 < jerwin> os/2? why?
22:27 < dmacks> Because the vic-20 is in the shop.
22:28 < zizban> because it works great on this old little pc I have
22:30 < jerwin> good one, dmacks...
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22:49 < newmanbe> dmacks: You replace dmacks with the nick you *do* want.
22:50 < dmacks>  /whois newmanbe used to tell me your idle time. It no longer does.
22:50 -!- You're now known as RangerRick
22:50 < newmanbe> That is correct.
22:50 < newmanbe> 'They' changed it.
22:51 < dmacks> No sh*t...that's what I said three times and you disagrred.
22:51 < newmanbe> No, I was telling you the solution.
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