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01:45 < cratuki1> heya. my irc is doing weird things and if there were any responses to my last question as cratuki.. I didn't get them
01:45 < cratuki1> (sorry)
01:46 < cratuki1> Is it possible the X stuff hasn't made it into 10.4-transitional/stable?
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02:24 < zorton> I had a dependency fail to build with gtk2-pm581.  so I put the module in manualy, now I want to remove that dependency requirment from the info file
02:24 < zorton> I know fink can parse the modified .info file fine but when I tell it to install it's still picking up the dependency
02:24 < zorton> is there a cache I need to clear?
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07:28 < jack-> question
07:28 < jack-> someone did a fink package for "krusader", a kde ftp client
07:28 < jack-> but its not included in fink, yet
07:29 < jack-> so the install instructions go like this
07:29 < jack-> Download and install fink and read the documentation
07:29 < jack-> Extract the krusader-1.40.fink.darwin-ppc.tar.bz2 package to /sw/fink/dist/local/main/ Only root can write here, you may have to create 'local' and 'main' 
07:29 < jack-> Run as root: fink install krusader
07:29 < jack-> but fink cant find the package..
07:30 < jack-> what file do i need to adapt to include that package into my local fink tree?
07:31 < jack-> i have the .deb and and the ,info
07:45 < jack-> did anyone build "kbear" successfully already? that one looks pretty much like what i want, too
07:46 < josefde> anyone knows when dave is usually around?
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07:59 < newmanbe> Because that's not the right place.
07:59 < jack-> oh :)
07:59 < jack-> where should the files go then
07:59 < newmanbe> /sw/fink/dists/local/main/finkinfo
08:00 < jack-> oh, thats what i did
08:00 < jack-> info = in finkinfo, deb = in binary-darwin-powerpc
08:00 < newmanbe> Yeah.
08:01 < jack-> but how to get fink to recognize it..
08:01 < jack-> it finds the package, but says "not in override"
08:02 < newmanbe> Hmm, don't know. That should work.
08:03 < jack-> ouch, i got it to work..but it wants darwin > 8 and kde >=3.4
08:03 < jack-> no krusader for me :)
08:03 < newmanbe> Hmm, that might be a problem.
08:04 < jack-> yes. ;)
08:04 < jack-> trying to build kbear now
08:05 < jack-> but
08:05 < jack-> checking for libpng... no
08:05 < jack-> checking for libjpeg6b... no
08:05 < jack-> checking for libjpeg... no
08:05 < jack-> configure: WARNING: libjpeg not found. disable JPEG support.
08:05 < jack-> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
08:06 < jack-> all packages installed via fink..what should i give configure in --with-qt-dir= etc?
08:06 < newmanbe> Do you have the package qt3 installed?
08:06 < jack-> yes
08:07 < jack->  i   qt3                  3.2.2-12        Cross-Platform GUI application framework
08:07 < newmanbe> I'm not sure. Something beginning with /sw/ for sure...
08:07 < jack-> -designer -dev -doc -linguist and -shlibs installed too
08:07 < jack-> yeah, for sure :)
08:08 < jack-> is kde 3.4 in unstable already, btw?
08:08 < jack-> maybe i'll finally install tiger and give it a day to build kde..
08:09 < newmanbe> !pdb
08:09 < newmanbe> http://www.finkproject.org/pdb/
08:10 < jack-> ok, checking
08:10 < jack-> thx
08:11 < jack-> oh joy, 3.4.1
08:11 < jack-> and finally, no more ssl vs nonssl
08:12 < jack-> <3 RangerRick
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10:14 < VincentMX> hi
10:14 < newmanbe> Hello.
10:15 < VincentMX> i have installed windowmaker by using fink
10:15 < VincentMX> how do i start it?
10:15 < euthydemus> can i send a build error for scientificpython-py23 for someone to look at?
10:16 < newmanbe> euthydemus: Use lisppaste
10:16 < newmanbe> lisppaste: url?
10:16 < lisppaste> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink and enter your paste.
10:16 < euthydemus> thanks
10:16 < newmanbe> VincentMX: Use the .xinitrc file in your home directory.
10:16 < VincentMX> ok
10:16 < newmanbe> More information on that should be on the Fink website.
10:16 < newmanbe> http://www.finkproject.org/doc/
10:16 < newmanbe> Probaly under X11 or something like that.
10:17 < VincentMX> ok
10:17 < VincentMX> thnx
10:17 < newmanbe> cirdan: Bring back Melian! *sobs*
10:17 < lisppaste> euthydemus pasted "scientificpython-py23 build error" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/10762
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10:31 < newmanbe> Contest to pick an alternative nick for newmanbe!
10:32 < akh> newermanbe
10:32 < newmanbe> I have, um, hit the upper limit for number of channels a non-IRCop can be in...
10:32 < newmanbe> lol
10:32 < akh> dude
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10:33 < akh> Impressive.  ;-)
10:33 < newmanbe> That's not registered.
10:34 < akh> Kind of long, though, now that I think about it.
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10:37 < akh> heh  that's even longer
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10:39 < akh> !lart web/news/index.fr.php
10:39 < newermanbe> Still no Melian.
10:39  * akh was too lazy to scroll down to check.
10:39 < newmanbe> No comment from cirdan either.
10:40 < newermanbe> You should use auto-nick complete.
10:40 < newmanbe> Then you would have known she wasn't here.
10:40 < akh> Yeah--but !lart is shorter.
10:40 < newermanbe> Lazy. :)
10:41 < akh> Did I not just say that? :-)
10:41 < newmanbe> Yeah, because otherwise you would [learn French and] fix web/news/index.fr.php .
10:42 < akh> Doesn't require French--requires CVS to be smarter.
10:42 < newermanbe> Yuck, CVS.
10:42 < josefde> did SF ever announce to introduce svn somewhen?
10:43 < newmanbe> Wouldn't matter.
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10:43 < akh> If they did they've been slow on the implementation.
10:43 < newermanbe> SourceForge.net would sill manage to ruin it.
10:44 < josefde> I think they're the only large *forge left without svn support, so I assume it'll come some day
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10:45 < jack-> anyone good with porting qt3 apps to fink? ;)
10:45 < newmanbe> RangerAway!
10:45 < newmanbe> When he's not away...
10:45 < jack-> yeah
10:45 < jack-> heh
10:45 < jack-> :)
10:46 < akh> which reminds me--I need to check on my QT3/Aqua build
10:46 < jack-> hope i'll manage to build kbear and crusader, soon
10:46 < jack-> might even do a fink package for 10.3 then if you want
10:46 < jack-> erm, krusader not crusader
10:47 < akh> cool--the more packages the better
10:47 < jack-> ok
10:47  * akh discovered that FInk was waiting at a prompt all night.  :\
10:47 < akh> No build for me.
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10:59 < jack-> oops
10:59 < jack-> i bet thats gonna happen a couple times when i try to build kde 3.4.1
10:59 < jack-> :)
11:00 < newmanbe> akh: Should have used -y.
11:00 < assassin> -y
11:00 < akh> Yup
11:00 < akh> Especially since I've got the "swappy code"
11:00 < akh> (automatic swapping of conflicting build dependencies)
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11:33  * akh wonders if I can call Tiger "fully supported and tested"
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11:36 < Albie> xm:coff coff
11:36  * Albie coffs coffs 
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11:39 < gecko2> hmm
11:39 < gecko2> cvs update: cannot open directory /cvsroot/fink/fink/experimental: No such file or directory
11:39 < gecko2> cvs update: skipping directory fink/experimental
11:40 < akh> Yeah--that got 'accidentally' created.
11:42 < gecko2> ahh
11:52 < jack-> Setting up gnome-games (2.6.2-12) ...
11:52 < jack-> WARNING: Failed to parse default value `[?????,?????,????,??????,????,?????] ' for schema (/schemas/apps/gtali/PlayerNames)
11:52 < jack-> ? :~
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11:59 < gecko2> how can i set a package on hold
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12:09 < gecko2> ahh, got it
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14:11 < katoc> hi
14:13 < katoc> im building fink on darwin
14:13 < katoc> ERROR: Can't copy package description(s).
14:24 < akh> katoc, use lisppaste and paste up the full thing.
14:24 < akh> !lisppaste
14:24 < akh> oops--
14:24 < akh> lisppaste: URL?
14:24 < lisppaste> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink and enter your paste.
14:24 < akh> There
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15:27 < dmacks> cirdan: Feel like reviving Melian for us?
15:36 < dmacks> katoc: You perhaps have a space in your volume-name or somewhere else in the path where you're trying to install fink?
15:37 < dmacks> Internal commands like '/bin/chmod 644 $bpath/fink/dists/$destination/*.*' will fail in that case, which is one source of the error message you cited.
15:39 < dmacks> (why does Bootstrap.pm reimplement its own Services::execute wrapper?
15:40 < akh> dmacks:  Because it hates you. ;-)
15:40 < dmacks> Oh okay, that makes sense.
15:41 < akh> Or maybe it was an oversight and it could go away...
15:42 < dmacks> Whatever...drm understands bootstrapping a lot better than me. Let him deal with it.
15:42 < akh> Sounds good to me.
15:44 < dmacks> Should I backport pango1-xft2 to 10.3 and rev-up everywhere now and hope for the best? Or wait for a 10.3 tester report? Or rev-up 10.4T so things will work there? Or is this whole diagnosis a red herring for the runtime problem?
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16:03 < dmacks> katoc: you saw my msg?
16:04 -!- You're now known as RangerRick
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16:06 < dmacks> RangerRick: Has fink ever asked openssl themselves what we should be doing about distributing binaries that link the "non-system-supplied" openssl libs?
16:06 < RangerRick> dunno
16:07 < RangerRick> the whole point is it isn't cut and dry though, best to avoid issue
16:07 < RangerRick> kde dlopens openssl in most cases anyways, so it'll probably get the newer if it can find it  ;)
16:07  * newermanbe remembers people saying that Fink was its own little OS. Both mocking and as an advantage. :-p
16:07 < newermanbe> So it is system supplied. :-p
16:09 < newmanbe> But now I go back to fiddling with gopherd...
16:09  * dmacks was contemplating doing something similar in gnome-vfs2, but realized I was getting a bit over my head and might not be necessary if openssl said "fine, distribute your binaries...leave us alone already!"
16:09 < newermanbe> Oh, RangerRick, I have a package to challenge you. :)
16:09 < RangerRick> it's not openssl, it's the gpl
16:10 < newermanbe> It needs to be built on an UFS partition.
16:10 < dmacks> (for crypto distinction) and we could stop playing that damn licensing game too:)
16:10 < newermanbe> Have fun.
16:10 < RangerRick> you have to talk to the gpl bigots  :)
16:10 -!- You're now known as RangerAway
16:10  * dmacks tosses up hands again, lets drm fight the fight.
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16:14 < akh> that libjpeg thing is a strange one all right.
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17:21 < jack-> Failed: compiling sdl-1.2.8-1 failed
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17:22 < jack-> does building sdl work for anyone on 10.3?
17:22 < jack-> :<
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18:17 < jack-> anyone around who's experienced with porting qt apps?
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18:17 < newmanbe> RangerAway is but is away!
18:17 < jack-> :)
18:17 < jack-> you're always around though
18:17 < newmanbe> You can try #kde-darwin, but I don't know who's alive and how much they could help you.
18:18 < jack-> ok, i'll try :)
18:20 < jack-> hehe
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18:20 < jack-> my problem isnt even kde-related
18:20 < jack-> i just wonder how i could get configure scripts to recognize my qt3 and libjpeg..
18:21 < newmanbe> Oh.
18:21 < newmanbe> I think that's an FAQ for Fink.
18:21 < jack-> since thats where all my porting attempts fail so far..
18:21 < newmanbe> http://www.finkproject.org/faq/
18:21 < jack-> great, thx!
18:21 < newmanbe> Like how do I get things to use Fink.
18:21 < newmanbe> Something like that, don't recall exactly.
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18:52 < jack-> cant find it in the faq :<
18:52 < jack-> guess i'm blind, or stupid
18:53 < newmanbe> I'll see if I can find it.
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18:53 < jack-> thanks for your efforts :)
18:54 < newmanbe> http://www.finkproject.org/faq/usage-general.php?phpLang=en#compile-myself
18:54 < newmanbe> That might help you...
18:55 < jack-> yay, merci beaucoup
18:55 < jack-> lets try if it helps :)
18:58 < newmanbe> You can also trying to see what other people did for their QT packages.
19:02 < jack-> yeah, i will
19:02 < jack-> since it didnt really help :)
19:02 < jack-> it found libjpeg now, but still complains about missing headers
19:05 < newmanbe> --with-qt-dir=%p --with-qt-includes=%p/include/qt --with-qt-libraries=%p/lib --with-extra-includes=%p/include <-- Some of the ConfigureParams from scribus.info
19:06 < newmanbe> You would of course have to expand %p yourself unless you are using Fink.
19:08 < jack-> thanks :) just trying to build ksteak with --with-qt-includes
19:08 < jack-> seems to work so far
19:08 < newmanbe> What is ksteak?
19:08 < newmanbe> Makes me hungry. ;)
19:10 < jack-> heh :)
19:10 < jack-> its just another dictionary translator tool
19:11 < jack-> supposed to be a test...kbear and krusader are the things i want to build
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19:26 < newmanbe> They need a kgopher.
19:27 < newmanbe> lisppaste!
19:27 < newmanbe> No Melian, no lisppaste.
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19:30 < jack-> i dont have a single gopher resource
19:30 < jack-> but tons of ftpd's
19:30 < newmanbe> Eew.
19:30 < jack-> otherwise i'd second that. ;)
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20:15 < jack-> checking for KDE... configure: error:
20:15 < jack-> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
20:15 < jack-> So, check this please and use another prefix!
20:15 < jack-> i think i'll give up
20:16 < jack-> and ask RangerRick tomorrow
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20:59 < zorton> phew does the samba performance suck on my 10.3 machine
20:59 < zorton> have any  of you seen anything similar?
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21:18 < newmanbe> zorton: Do you mean from the Fink package or what Apple gives you?
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21:20 < jack-> btw..is there any video player for x11 around?
21:20 < jack-> preferably..a good one? ;)
21:20 < Feanor> x11 doesn't support Xv on darwin
21:20 < Feanor> or Xshm
21:21 < jack-> :(
21:21 < Feanor> as a result you can't have usably fast video
21:21 < jack-> ok
21:21 < jack-> do you think that might change with an upcoming xfree86 release?
21:21 < newmanbe> Changein XFree86? lol :-p
21:21 < newmanbe> jack-: It could if you help. ;)
21:21 < jack-> change in xfree86/darwin that is
21:22 < jack-> since xfree86 has xv already..
21:22 < jack-> i suck too much at c/c++
21:22 < jack-> cant really help, unfortunately :)
21:25 < Feanor> it could be done with quicktime in rootless mode
21:25 < Feanor> but IOKit would be really hard
21:30 < zorton> newmanbe: Apple's stock package
21:30 < zorton> took a bit to respond there :)
21:30 < zorton> on the order of 1/7th the speed of my linux machine
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21:38 < jack-> Feanor: well
21:38 < jack-> one of the reasons to implement it would be stuff that makes more sense in root mode
21:38 < jack-> like VidModeExtension
21:39 < jack-> i'd love to have that working one day :)
21:39 < jack-> but i'm far from able to do it myself
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23:33 < robbyrussell> Hi,  I have a brand new pbook... osx tiger on it... just downloaded fink and it wont let me install it with the binary installer cause it says the mount doesnt support symlinks
23:34 < robbyrussell> i read through google searches and it says that i need to be logged in as an admin
23:34 < newmanbe> Hi.
23:34 < robbyrussell> i'm the only user and an listed as an administrator
23:34 < robbyrussell> ?help
23:34 < newmanbe> That is a FAQ I do believe.
23:34 < newmanbe> http://www.finkproject.org/faq/
23:34 < newmanbe> cirdan: GIVE US Melian!
23:36 < robbyrussell> okay, i am logged in as an admin, so now am running the disk repair on the volume
23:36 < robbyrussell> see if that helps at all
23:40 < robbyrussell> sure enough
23:40 < robbyrussell> it was permissions!
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