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00:08 < jack-> darwinports includes a "port" tool
00:08 < jack-> which should run flawlessly on pure darwin too
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04:37 < asari> mozilla maintainer here?
04:40 < asari> !seen TheSin
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07:59 < asari> broken?
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10:31 < htodd> I love the YOU MUST FIX xxx NOW emails.
10:31 < htodd> good thing I don't have that many packages
10:31 < htodd> oh, speaking of which, I forgot which ones dmacks told me to fix again
10:31 < akh> htodd:  Are they from dmacks?
10:31 < htodd> no
10:31 < akh> htodd;  they're on the wiki
10:31 < htodd> ok
10:32 < akh> search for htodd ;-)
10:33 < asari> the wiki?
10:33 < akh> the unofficial wiki:  http://ldx3.psfc.mit.edu:2500/
10:33 < asari> aks: thanks
10:33 < akh> !fink wiki
10:34 < asari> password [                                    ]   :(
10:34 < das_> akhfinkwiki
10:34 < das_> Heh
10:35 < akh> There's a read only version at http://ldx3.psfc.mit.edu:2500/akhfinkwiki/published/HomePage
10:36 < htodd> akh: which page on the wiki?
10:36 < asari> ah
10:36 < htodd> oh, gnome
10:36 < htodd> duh
10:37 < akh> heh
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10:54 < asari> konbanha, baba_
10:59 < baba_> konbanwa asari san
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11:22 < akh> ick-- ~ 20 messages in the queue and only two weren't spam.
11:22 < akh> And one of those was a lazy person who couldn't be bothered to use the web interface to unsubscribe themselves.
11:23  * akh wishes Mailman had a way to send a "goodbye" message when I unsubscribe someone.
11:23 < akh> Even better--a message whenever a moderator changes something.
11:23 < akh> "Your vacation notfier is pissing everybody off, so we've set you to "no mail".  Email us when you're back."
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14:13 < dmacks> akh: Set everyone-but-the-jackass to nomail

14:14 < dmacks> send a msg to the list; unsub him, reset everyone else to mail.
14:15 < asari> hi dmacks
14:17 < dmacks> hi asari
14:18 < asari> dmacks: A OpenOffice.org person wants the patch for mozilla from Fink.
14:19 < asari> but OpenOffice.org accepts only LGPL/S???? patch, and only from JCA-signed person.
14:20 < asari> what can we do?
14:20 < msachs> It's a really trivial patch.
14:20 < msachs> One line, adding a #include
14:20 < asari> Yes, I think so too
14:20 < asari> Can I take the patch as non-GPL?
14:20 < msachs> All they need to do is add a #include for the header which defines the struct referenced on whichever line errors during compilation.
14:21 < msachs> Fine with me.
14:22 < asari> thanks
14:22 < msachs> np
14:23 < dmacks> Fink never really had a policy about copyright status of .info and .patch:( drm tried to get one started, but in standard -devel style, the discussion petered out before being resolved.
14:24 < asari> hm
14:24 < asari> msachs: BTW, why we need that one line? Only with Xcode2.1?
14:25 < msachs> asari: Correct, there was one thing that didn't make it into GCC 4.0.0 which is in GCC 4.0.1 which as I understand it is a language standards conformance thing.
14:25 < msachs> Namely, you can't declare an array whose element type is a struct which hasn't been defined yet.
14:26 < msachs> (Or, more generally, whose element type is of unknown size, aka "incomplete.")
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14:27 < asari> I see. that's why there's no problem with gcc-3.3.
14:28 < msachs> Right.
14:29 < dmacks> akh: What's the next constellation?
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14:29 < wart_> hi everyone.
14:30 < wart_> I'm trying to find the tar.gz for the 10.3 release of fink.
14:30 < wart_> I can't find it at sourceforge anywhere, they just have .8.0
14:49 < dmacks> wart_: Click on the "distribution" link (the package column) to see other versions.
14:52 < akh> dmacks:  Good question--didn't get that far yet.
14:54 < akh> pavo
14:54 < wart_> thanks
14:56 < Murr> grr
14:56 < Murr> somebody just broke the CVS repository
14:57 < Murr> 5 minutes ago, everything was working, and now there is a broken lock in there
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15:09  * dmacks blames cirdan
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15:45 < dmacks> Aw crap...missed him.
15:46 < akh> It always seems like the way...
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16:23 < wart_> Hi: I'm bootstrapping 7.2 and I get this for my default access (which dselect tells me it can't stat):
16:23 < wart_> deb http://us.dl.sourceforge.net/fink/direct_download 10.3/current main crypto
16:23 < wart_> Is there a better spot?
16:23 < wart_> Failed to fetch http://us.dl.sourceforge.net/fink/direct_download/dists/10.3/release/main/binary-darwin-powerpc/Packages  403 Forbidden [IP: 69.16.168.245 80]
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16:26 < dmacks> wart_: http://fink.sourceforge.net/faq/usage-fink.php#four-oh-three
16:31 < wart_> thanks dmacks
16:42 < assassin> mmmmmmmmmm.... slackintosh is back up in our ass with teh resurrection!
16:46 < wart_> dmacks: I ran fink reinstall fink (as per the FAQ) and still get a 403
16:46 < wart_> My /etc/sw/apt/sources.list looks also exactly like what they recommend.
16:46 < wart_> deb http://us.dl.sourceforge.net/fink/direct_download 10.3/release main crypto
16:50 < dmacks> wart_: That's not the site that FAQ5.31 recommends.
16:51 < dmacks> akh: If you have a moment, could you add a sentence to that FAQ about using the correct dist (so some d00f with 10.4 doesn't use 10.3)
16:51 < akh_> yah
16:52 < dmacks> Okay, akh_ can handle it I guess. That "akh" guy is such a slacker.
16:52 < akh_> wart_:  what's your fink version ?
16:54 < wart_> 7.2
16:54 < akh> "fink", not "Fink"
16:54 < wart_> oh
16:54 < wart_> one second
16:54 < wart_> .23.8
16:55 < wart_> deb http://bindist.finkmirrors.net/bindist 10.3/release main crypto
16:55 < wart_> Oh you are right.
16:55 < wart_> Hmm.  Well I'll try manually updating.  fink reinstall fink, though, did not work, just for your information.
16:56 < akh> hmm...that really should have worked
16:56 < wart_> Ok, doing it by hand worked.
16:57 < wart_> Might be worth looking into that: I ran: fink reinstall fink and it claimed everyhting was fine (no obvious errors); but it did nothing.
16:58 < akh> wart_:  did you also install a newer fink-mirrors before doing "fink reinstall fink"?
16:58 < wart_> Thanks for the help akh and dmacks.
16:58 < wart_> akh: Not exactly.
16:58 < wart_> I did go into Access and start.
16:58 < wart_> But then realized I didn't know any.
16:58 < wart_> So I hit enter all the way through.
16:58 < wart_> For the defaults.
16:58 < wart_> Then I asked you guys-> ran fink reinstall fink .. etc
16:58 < akh> "fink reinstall fink" won't do anything if you don't have an appropriately versioned fink-mirrors package
16:59 < wart_> gotcha.
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17:05 < dmacks> I think fink-0.23.8 is the latest available via binary download.
17:05 < dmacks> You'd have t enable "unstable" in order to get the 0.24.x series.
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17:12 < akh> At least until 0.24.9 comes out and is "stabilized" on the fast track, and is put in to the new bindist...
17:12 < akh> Which doesn't change dmacks' point in any way.
17:13 < cls> lo
17:14 < cls> i used fink to install gtk+, but the application im trying to compile still has ld complain it cant find it
17:14 < cls> ld: can't locate file for: -lgtk-x11-2.0
17:15 < akh> Do you have gtk+2-dev installed?
17:15 < cls> (i)  gtk+2-dev            2.6.8-1         The Gimp Toolkit
17:15 < cls> yep
17:15 < akh> Update it.
17:16 < cls> im downloading the fix-apple-x11 just in case too
17:16 < cls> (i) means out of date?
17:16 < akh> yes
17:16 < cls> k
17:16 < cls> what problems does "fix-apple-x11" fix?
17:17 < akh> I'm not sure--I don't use Apple's X11.
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17:21 < cls> do you know what pkg gnome-fs-home is in?
17:25 < akh> All I've got is references in gnome-icon-theme and gnome-themes
17:25 < akh> PNG files
17:26 < cls> im trying to force mindless automaton to work under osx =P
17:26 < akh_> ah
17:26 < cls> i had to convert all the .svg icons to .png's since for some reason i couldnt get librsvg to work
17:26 < cls> got it installed, but compile still complains it cant open the images
17:28 < cls> wow, an awesome set of malloc errors before bus error.
17:28 < cls> well, at least it launched this time heh
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17:28 < akh> icky
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17:31 < cls> symbol __nl_init_domain_conv used from dynamic library /sw/lib/libintl.3.dylib(loadmsgcat.o) not from earlier dynamic library /sw/lib/libintl.1.dylib(loadmsgcat.lo)
17:31 < cls> theres another nice one heh
17:31 < akh> that's probably a warning, though
17:32 < cls> yeah
17:32 < cls> warning about:
17:32 < cls> ld: warning suggest use of -bind_at_load, as lazy binding may result in errors or different symbols being used
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17:45 < dmacks> cls: I think there's a mindless pkg either in fink or in the submissions queueueue
17:46 < dmacks> Warnings about libintl.3.dylib vs libintl.1.dylib are almost certainly harmless...just means you're mixing libraries that have and have not yet been upgraded to the new gettext yet.
17:47 < dmacks> [making sure your libs are all up-to-date will minimize that occurance]
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18:10 < akh> hmmm.../me broke a package on Linux through upgrading to a new freetype2 version.
18:11 < akh> How eerily familiiar. ;|
18:11 < akh> :|
18:14 < zizban> heh
18:14 < zizban> hopefully my new monitor will ship tomorrow so I can start using my Linux box again
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18:33 < wart_> Hi guys again: I'm following the instructions on this site: http://people.engr.ncsu.edu/jayoung/site/pages/default/installing-apache2-with-fink
18:33 < wart_> For getting Apache + PHP going on FINK.
18:33 < wart_> The problem is: I can't (in dselect) find any php packages.
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18:33 < wart_> I find phpmysqladmin but php5 or php4 aren't listed.
18:33 < wart_> apache2 is listed.
18:34 < wart_> (For those that don't want to follow the link: It's OS X 10.3 and a clean bootstrap installation of fink 7.2
18:34 < wart_> )
18:34 < wart_> I even added the unstable trees, but it still isn't there.
18:35 < wart_> (I'm not using any of the GUI fink tools.)
18:37 < zizban> you tried dselect?
18:37 < zizban> try apt-cache search php
18:40 < wart_> nothing.
18:41 < wart_> yeah I tried the search (slash) in dselect; and apt-cache turned up nothing as well.
18:41 < wart_> It's odd because apache2 and joe and other packages are there and installed fine.
18:41 < wart_> (Including phpmyadmin!)
18:42 < vasi> maybe we just use the system's php now? i'll take a look
18:43 < wart_> That'd be odd, because you have apache2 in there.
18:44 < vasi> in 10.4-transitional, there's a package php5-apache2-ssl
18:44 < wart_> vasi: Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean by 10.4-transitional.
18:45 < wart_> You mean add that to sources.list?
18:45 < vasi> we have distributions for each version of OS X...so currently they're 10.3 and 10.4-transitional
18:45 < vasi> no, don't do that
18:45 < vasi> i'm just still searching
18:45 < vasi> lemme check the bindist
18:48 < vasi> ok, the issue is that php5-apache2-ssl (which is the package you want) is currently only in the 'unstable' distribution
18:49 < wart_> Well I added unstable to the Tree:
18:49 < vasi> (the guide you pointed to explains that...you should probably just follow the guide and use FinkCommander)
18:49 < wart_> Isn't that how one gets it.
18:49 < vasi> wart_, sorta...
18:49 < wart_> http://people.engr.ncsu.edu/jayoung/site/pages/default/installing-apache2-with-fink
18:49 < wart_> You mean that guide?  Problem is I'm doing this remote.
18:49 < wart_> Anyway, I'll just ocmpile by hand.
18:49 < vasi> but for unstable stuff, you need to use the 'fink' tool rather than apt-get or dselect
18:50 < wart_> Oh
18:50 < vasi> so just type 'fink install php5-apache2-ssl'
18:50 < wart_> Aha
18:50 < vasi> and it will do all the downloading/compilation/installation for you
18:50 < wart_> perfect
18:50 < wart_> thanks
18:53 < vasi> np :-)
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19:32 < vasi> hi drm
19:33 < newmanbe> Still no Melian to welcome you back.
19:33 < drm> hi vasi
19:33 < drm> have released fink-mirrors and base-files, and tagged fink 0.24.9 for release
19:33 < drm> (awaiting propagation to mirrors for the latter)
19:33 < vasi> yep, i just saw that, thanks :-)
19:34 < vasi> did the parent-essential fix go in?
19:34 < drm> yes
19:34 < drm> it appears to be a no-op for existing packages
19:34 < vasi> yep :-)
19:34 < vasi> and dmacks' infoN patch too?
19:35 < drm> i don't know...whatever people had ported
19:35 < vasi> wiki -> "vasi please eyeball the patch in HEAD"
19:35 < drm> i just released on the branch
19:35 < vasi> yeah, i'll take a look at that i guess
19:36 < drm> again, there are no .info files which use info3 yet, so it could be fixed if necessary
19:36 < vasi> drm, this is distinct from Info3 (that's my issue ;-)
19:36 < drm> vasi: i generally like dmacks alternative to IBD, discussed on the wiki, but I'm a little leery about its impact on the behavior of the engine
19:36 < vasi> dmacks' patch makes fink break if somebody does something silly like 'InfoN: 2'
19:37 < drm> ah
19:37 < vasi> drm, yeah I'm currently catching up with things, so i'll be looking at his bdo-depends branch soon
19:38 < vasi> i also have a bit of an uneasy feeling regarding how/when things could break while dynamically 'upgrading' BDeps to recursive-BDeps
19:38 < drm> code in the branch is fine, but i'm worried about things like: what if the recursive removal removes some stuff which is then put back by some other install? when does the engine figure that out, and how does it avoid loops?
19:38 < vasi> hmm
19:39 < drm> anyway, i'm about to run out of battery power, and i'll be offline tomorrow... will have to discuss this later
19:39 < vasi> k, later
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19:50 < stonezone> package architecture (darwin-i386) does not match system (darwin-powerpc)
19:50 < stonezone> anyone familiar with that error?
19:50 < newmanbe> No, it doesn't.
19:50 < newmanbe> What were you trying to do?
19:51 < stonezone> anyting with fink
19:51 < stonezone> selfupdate, install a package
19:51 < stonezone> 8.1.0 Darwin Kernel Version 8.1.0: Thu May 26 19:10:26 PDT 2005; root:xnu-792.1.82.obj~3/RELEASE_I386 x86 i386
19:51 < stonezone> thats the uname
19:51 < newmanbe> Ah, so you are using x86.
19:51 < stonezone> yes
19:51 < newmanbe> Fink does not really support x86.
19:52 < stonezone> it says its pulling hte x86 pacakges
19:52 < newmanbe> There aren't any packages for x86.
19:52 < stonezone> hrm
19:52 < newmanbe> You have to build everything from source.
19:52 < stonezone> sorry
19:52 < stonezone> I was
19:52 < stonezone> didnt mean packages
19:53 < stonezone> no -b flag
19:53 < newmanbe> Well, I've never tried what you've done.
19:53 < stonezone> me either
19:53 < newmanbe> All I can tell you is that I'm surprised you got that far.
19:53 < stonezone> dpkg -i /sw/fink/dists/stable/main/binary-darwin-i386/base/base-files_1.9.6-1_darwin-i386.deb
19:53 < newmanbe> And that it isn't supported.
19:53 < stonezone> then it dies
19:53 < newmanbe> That wouldn't work.
19:54 < newmanbe> That package is meant for PowerPC Darwin/Mac OS X.
19:54 < newmanbe> Oh i386.
19:54 < newmanbe> That should work.
19:54 < stonezone> everything installed fine
19:54 < newmanbe> I didn't know that that existed as a .deb for x86.
19:54 < stonezone> it triest to get the x86 stuff
19:54 < stonezone> but for some reason thins teh local system is ppc
19:55 < stonezone> only thing I was able to find is in refernece to broken uanme
19:55 < stonezone> uname
19:55 < newmanbe> Yes, I remember someone telling me that the detection code isn't quite right.
19:55 < stonezone> no where to define my arch
19:55 < stonezone> hrm
19:59 < stonezone> oh well
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20:19 < dmacks> Hrm, I guess bootstrapping on i86 will have to wait until 0.25
20:20 < dmacks> Is pogma on holiday?
20:21 < zizban> I think so
20:23 < dmacks> Welcome back vasi!
20:23 < vasi> thanks :-)
20:23 < vasi> did the InfoN validation patch go into .9?
20:24 < vasi> i just saw your wiki message
20:24 < dmacks> I did not backport it.
20:24  * dmacks also wanted to talk to drm about some $dist weirdness in bootstrapping before .9 went out. Oh well.
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20:28 < dmacks> akh_: Would it be a good idea to add a link to the read-only URL from the login page?
20:29 < dmacks> Or would that lead to spiders sucking up all your bandwidth?
20:29 < dmacks> Or should there be a robots file? (i.e., do you want the thing indexed?)
20:30 < akh_> It's all stored in _one_ file.
20:30 < dmacks> "it"==?
20:30 < akh_> The whole wiki
20:30 < akh_> It gets processed by the server.
20:31 < dmacks> Not from the perspective of a user though, which is all that matters.
20:31 < akh_> Right.
20:31 < akh_> I don't think we actually can link the read-only URL from the login.
20:32 < akh_> (not very editable)
20:32 < akh_> On the other hand, I can put up an index page (via my apache2 server) with the two links. 
20:32 < dmacks> Are upi isomh
20:32 < dmacks> Damn.
20:33 < dmacks> There's a login.rhtml file in the instiki .tgz distro.
20:34 < dmacks> It's also in the Instiki.app if you're using the .dmg distro.
20:35 < akh_> ah
20:35 < akh_> I'll check--I'm not using the .dmg though.
20:35 < dmacks> Okay, /me wasn't sure, was just reporting information as I discovered it.
20:37 < akh_> Ah-I've got one.  
20:38 < dmacks> haw haw haw...I told eem we awlready got one.
20:38 < akh_> *snickers*
20:39 < dmacks> Crap, major new gnome upstream releases.
20:39 < akh_> Gotta love that
20:40 < zizban> isn't drm the gnome guy now?
20:40 < zizban> or did you get it?
20:42 < akh_> dmacks:  OK--it's added
20:42 < dmacks> Yes.../me muses...yes, I think drm is the man, now that you mentioned it...
20:42 < akh_> dmacks passes the buck. :-)
20:43  * dmacks makes stretching motion, casually sweeps pumpkin off desk.
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20:53  * dmacks hands RangerRick the pumpkin
20:55 < RangerRick> eh?
20:56 < dmacks> Oh nothing...nothing...
20:56 < RangerRick> oh, working on gnome?
20:56 < RangerRick> I'm doing mono, does that count?  :)
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20:56 < RangerRick> slowly getting it updatded
20:57 < dmacks> Okay, good enough:)
20:57 < dmacks> Anyone know when miga's getting back from [wherever]?
20:58 < akh> dunno
20:59 < zizban> same here
20:59 < akh> Gotta love the European summer vacation model.
20:59 < zizban> gotta
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21:00  * akh will be happy if I can swing a telecommuting day every week.
21:01 < akh> And get my regular vacation.
21:03 < akh> heh:  accidentally tried to open a LyX file with lynx
21:03 < dmacks> ha
21:04 < akh> Silly shell--it should know what I want when I misspell stuff.
21:08 < akh> same with fink--"selfupate" should work.
21:08 < zizban> heh
21:09 < dmacks> I think the real problem here is that you have lynx installed.
21:09 < akh> Yeah, true.  I could always remove it.
21:11  * dmacks got tired of accidentally typing mc instead of mv, now has shell alias mc='echo "No mc, dumb-ass"'
21:12  * akh needs a shell script that only makes rm interactive for system directories.
21:12 < dmacks> Was pretty funny when former boss accidentally did it:)
21:12 < akh> hah
21:12 < RangerRick> dmacks: haha
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21:19 < zizban> I need a shell script that says on start up, "I wish I were as smart as RangerRick"
21:21 < RangerRick> if only *I* was
21:21 < RangerRick> it's all a sham
21:22 < RangerRick> or is it a spam?
21:22 < zizban> heh
21:22  * RangerRick e-mails everyone, just to make sure
21:23  * zizban had enough of akh's doc team mailings today
21:24 < akh> zizban:  That's because I forgot to mail most of them out on Saturday.
21:24 < akh> miga will have a nice queue of changes when she gets back.
21:25  * RangerRick thinks he's got a patch for the stuff that's kept him from releasing mono 1.1.8.3
21:25 < RangerRick> so hopefully I'll have all the mono stuff updated in a day or two
21:25 < akh> So what will the mono users complain about?
21:26 < RangerRick> java?
21:26 < zizban> heh
21:26 < RangerRick> I've started doing some java at work, and I'm actually rather liking it
21:27 < zizban> java and like in the same sentence. Who wudda thunk it?
21:27 < RangerRick> phear  :)
21:28 < zizban> :)
21:30  * akh only likes the java you can get from a 32 oz cup.
21:31 < RangerRick> well, it's funny, the things I like about it are the same things I like about perl
21:31 < akh> ah
21:31 < RangerRick> lots of existing code to do basic things without writing it yourself  :)
21:32 < RangerRick> jakarta commons makes a lot of the tedious bits easier
21:32 < akh> That's certainly an understandable reason.  ;-)
21:36 < zizban> yep
21:39 < vasi> dmacks, did you ever know about this fink-$dist-full thing before?
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21:51 < akh> vasi ?
21:53 < vasi> akh, it appears that the fink website recommends that users who want to get fink via "source" download some weird tarball
21:53 < vasi> called fink-0.8.0-full.tgz
21:53 < vasi> i'm not sure what the differences are between this and fink 0.23.x
21:54 < akh> vasi: Ah, yeah.  _I_ knew about that.
21:54 < RangerRick> the -full contains all of the info files, I thought
21:54 < RangerRick> not just the bootstrap
21:54 < vasi> ah is that it?
21:54 < vasi> hmm
21:55 < RangerRick> it saves you a 'fink selfupdate'
21:55 < vasi> yep...also makes fixing bugs harder
21:55 < RangerRick> how so?
21:55 < vasi> well the current -full doesn't bootstrap with xcode 2.1
21:55 < vasi> so we need some way to update it when 0.24.9 reaches stable
21:58 < akh> Sounds like time for 0.8.1
21:59 < akh> (the whole distro, that is)
21:59 < vasi> yeesh, just cuz of a bug in bootstrapping?
22:00 < Clef> ship it!
22:00 < Clef> update
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22:00 < akh> vasi: No
22:00 < RangerRick> could just hand-update  :)
22:00 < RangerRick> make a 0.8.0.1 that's just got a few fixed info files in it
22:01 < akh> 0.8.0.99
22:02 < akh> ;-)
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22:14 < punkcut> hey has anyone tried to use vnc2swf with Fink?
22:15 < newmanbe> Are you having problems?
22:19 < punkcut> actually im not an OS X guy at all
22:19 < punkcut> but i might be using one of the pbs at the office to setup a server and i was wondering if its even possible
22:19 < punkcut> i know they have a python version which would make me assume it could work with OS X
22:20 < punkcut> but i figured id ask before i claimed i could do it
22:20 < newmanbe> I've never used it.
22:21 < RangerRick> I don't see why it wouldn't
22:21 < RangerRick> just try it, what's the worst that can happen?  :)
22:21 < RangerRick> "It runs on Unix/Linux/OSX/Windows."
22:22 < RangerRick> from the web site
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23:11 < dmacks> vasi: I have no idea what the -full tarball is.
23:11 < vasi> oh well
23:11 < vasi> we'll have to bug drm
23:11 < dmacks> Yeah.
23:13 < dmacks> Do you understand the libjpeg/ImageIO bug patch in 10.4T pango1-xft2?
23:14 < newmanbe> If bugs were understood, they would be fixed. ;)
23:14 < dmacks> They *are* fixed...I'm just asking about the fix:)
23:14 < newmanbe> Oh, bug patch.
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23:37 < newmanbe> cirdan!
23:37 < newmanbe> Where's Melian?
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