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00:06 < vasi> dmacks, apparently dyld looks at the default paths for matching install names
00:06 < vasi> *before* actually checking the install_name path in the binary it's loading
00:07 < vasi> (i think)
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00:55 < vasi> dmacks, got my response?
00:57 < dmacks> vasi: Nope...network froze and cmeme is down:(
00:57 < vasi> [00:06] 	<vasi>	dmacks, apparently dyld looks at the default paths for matching install names
00:57 < vasi> [00:06] 	<vasi>	*before* actually checking the install_name path in the binary it's loading
00:57 < vasi> [00:06] 	<vasi>	(i think)
00:58 < dmacks> Okay, that's how I understand it (sort-of) also.
00:58 < dmacks> The new base-files with the DYLD_FALLBACK patch (or 10.4.3) should fix it then.
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01:01 < dmacks> While you were out, discussion on a mailing list about that patch in that package. I just %v++ there and spread the patch to all variants...and hoped for the best:)
01:02 < vasi> url?
01:06 < vasi> er...at least tell me which list?
01:10 < vasi> *sigh*
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01:12 < vasi> welcome, oh prophet
01:12 < msachs> Greetings, my son.
01:13 < msachs> How's it going?
01:13 < vasi> got back from vacation, awaiting school
01:13 < msachs> Where'd you go?
01:13 < vasi> halifax
01:14 < msachs> Take a cruise?
01:14 < vasi> it's actually a pretty little city, not as shabby as i expected
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01:14 < vasi> nah, backpacked
01:14 < msachs> Ah, nice.
01:15 < msachs> Sounds like fun.
01:16 < vasi> mostly...wanted to do more camping, but co-vacationist got a sore back
01:16 < msachs> Who'd you go with?
01:17 < vasi> the gf and a friend of ours
01:17 < vasi> stayed at a hostel, which was great
01:17 < vasi> i've definitely gotta do that again
01:17 < msachs> How's that work?
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01:18 < vasi> kinda dorm-ish
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01:19 < vasi> they've got a few bunk-beds in each room, shared baths, super cheap ($20 canadian for a bed)
01:19 < vasi> includes free phone and 'net access
01:19 < msachs> Mmm, internet...
01:20 < vasi> right downtown, too
01:20 < msachs> Cool.
01:21 < vasi> hmm, /me is trying to remember what i wanted to ask of a prophet
01:21 < vasi> (maybe you should be an oracle instead?)
01:21 < msachs> The meaning of life?  Where you go when you die?
01:21 < msachs> Maybe, but then I might get^H^H^Hhave to zot people...
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01:22 < vasi> oh yes...just how "deprecated" are StartupItems?
01:23 < msachs> I dunno.  #opendarwin might have a better idea, especially if you catch jkh.
01:23 < msachs> If they don't, I can try to find out.
01:24 < vasi> i'll ask
01:31 < vasi> alright, seems that NI is also "deprecated" for the past two releases...so in that case it's no emergency if we don't have launchd support real-soon-now
01:32 < msachs> Groovy.
01:33 < vasi> alright, i'm off to bed (my real bed, yay!)
01:33 < vasi> toodles
01:33 < msachs> 'night-o!
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02:22 < armenb> hi
02:22 < msachs> 'lo
02:22 < armenb> im having an annoying problem with fink.
02:22 < msachs> What's up?
02:22 < armenb> i want to install subversion
02:22 < armenb> mostly as a client
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02:23 < msachs> Mmhm.
02:23 < armenb> my /sw/etc/fink.conf has Trees: local/main unstable/main unstable/crypto
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02:23 < msachs> You should also have stable/main stable/crypto, although they *oughtn't* be necessary...
02:23 < msachs> But go on.
02:24 < armenb> and http://fink.sourceforge.net/pdb/package.php/svn-client shows the version in 10.4-transitional + unstable is 1.2.1-11
02:24 < armenb> but "apt-get install svn-client" tries installing the stable version: 1.1.4-11
02:24 < msachs> k
02:24 < msachs> Yep, apt-get only gets you stuff from the binary distribution, which means the stable ver at best.
02:24 < msachs> What you want is fink install svn-client
02:25 < msachs> Or fink install svn-client-ssl
02:25 < armenb> arg
02:26 < armenb> i wonder how hard it would be create a gateway that would compile code on the fly and build a package for you while you wait. heh.
02:27 < msachs> We've been working towards an infrastructure which would allow us to provide a bindist of unstable, but it's not a short-term project.
02:27 < msachs> If you have another machine handy, it wouldn't be too hard to set it up so that you could submit "fink build" requests to it and then use it as an apt server.
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02:29  * armenb sees what "fink build" does...
02:29 < msachs> It's like "fink install", but it doesn't actually do the installation, just makes the binary package (and builds and installs any dependencies.)
02:30 < armenb> is compiling all the packages in fink not a feasible task?
02:30 < armenb> i mean, unstable can't be changing *that* fast.
02:30 < msachs> See for yourself at http://fink.opendarwin.org/build/2005-06-24/out/report.html
02:31 < msachs> I've been doing periodic world builds as part of our (Apple's) compiler QA efforts.
02:31 < msachs> Still haven't ever been able to build Gnome or KDE...
02:32 < armenb> due to error?
02:32 < msachs> Well I'm using GCC 4 for everything, Fink is still on 3.3 for C++ code in the 10.4-transitional tree, so some packages have issues with that.
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02:34 < armenb> by the way, what's the "transitional" for?
02:35 < msachs> Transitioning to 4.0 and its new ABI for C++.
02:35 < armenb> ah. abi = ?
02:35 < armenb> (sorry for the 20 questions)
02:36 < msachs> Application Binary Interface.  The details of how things are laid out in object files and such.
02:36 < armenb> ah, right.
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02:37 < armenb> so 10.4-transitional completely 3.3-based?
02:37 < msachs> Only for packages which use C++.
02:38 < msachs> And if maintainers want to get really picky, only if they link to other C++ code or other packages link to their C++ code.
02:39 < armenb> my argument is: i have a slow 500Mhz pb that slows to a crawl compiling unstable packages.  I think it would be a smart idea to have these unstable packages pre-compiled somewhere
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02:39 < msachs> Yep, we would like to provide binary packages for unstable.
02:39 < msachs> And it is something we're working towards.
02:40 < msachs> In the meantime, if you have another machine handy...
02:40 < armenb> so if any program has a hint of accessing a C++-based library, its compiled by 3.3, else 4.0 in 10.4-transitional
02:40 < msachs> Correct.
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02:40 < msachs> What you can do is compile the packages on that, and then set it up as an apt server for your other machine.
02:40 < armenb> i do have another machine handy...you guys don't? :-P
02:41 < armenb> do you need monetary resources for a compile farm or something?
02:41 < msachs> Providing binary packages for one machine and one user is easy.  Doing it for everyone in a robust and secure fashion is hard.
02:42 < msachs> I believe that's one of the obstacles, yeah.
02:42 < armenb> nod, security is indeed a valid concern.
02:43 < msachs> Making sure someone can't submit a malicious package and have it execute evil code on the build servers, for instance...
02:43 < armenb> of course.
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02:43 < armenb> but how is it done currently?
02:44 < msachs> For stable?  I think someone manually runs a couple of scripts once in a while.
02:44 < armenb> i thought you were thinking more along the lines of using my hardware to compile for you...
02:44 < armenb> where are those scripts run?
02:45 < armenb> i mean, you can't have unstable compiled the same way?
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02:45 < msachs> Well if you want to offer, I can pass that along to the right people.
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02:46 < msachs> Whatever random machine the person doing the release happens to run them on.
02:46 < msachs> The stable bindist is updated once every -- something like every 6 months or so, I think.
02:47 < msachs> That wouldn't be terribly useful for unstable.
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02:50 < armenb> so the binary packages get updated once every 6 months?
02:50 < msachs> It's on that order of magnitude, I don't know -- I don't think there *is* a precise schedule.
02:50 < msachs> I might be confusing -- it might be more often than that.
02:51 < armenb> wow. so essentially everyone uses fink instead of apt-get.
02:51 < msachs> I might be confusing just updating the stable bindist with making a full-on release...
02:51 < msachs> Yeah, you should generally use fink.
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02:51 < armenb> because stable packages get so stale.
02:52 < msachs> But the bottom line is, our mechanisms for making the stable binaries available won't scale to the greater number and update frequency of packages in unstable.
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02:52 < msachs> Well also if you turn on UseBinaryDist in /sw/etc/fink.conf
02:52 < msachs> then fink will use the binaries if they're available.
02:52 < msachs> That way you can always do fink install and you don't have to worry about whether things are available through apt or not, it'll automatically fall back.
02:52 < armenb> incidently are there any problems with cross-compiling fink's packages?
02:53 < msachs> That's a good question.  It isn't something that's been looked into much, as far as I know.
02:53 < msachs> The first step is to get things working on x86 at all.
02:54 < msachs> I did an x86 world build, the results weren't bad but they weren't amazing.
02:54 < msachs> A lot of packages need to be informed that Darwin/x86 is something that exists, and they shouldn't assume PowerPC when they see Apple...
02:54 < msachs> I think that right now people are busy with the C++->4.0 transition and some infrastructure work that's going on for the 0.25 release of the Fink core.
02:55 < msachs> But 4.0 is a prerequisite for x86 anyway.
02:55 < armenb> so there's a 10.4 non-transitional for x86, then, right?
02:56 < msachs> Well there will be.
02:56 < msachs> You can do 10.4 in non-transitional mode now, I do that for my world builds.
02:56 < msachs> But that's really just for development purposes currently.
02:56 < armenb> i have a 500+Mhz macmini that sits idle for all but 10 or 15 minutes a day, when it is used for web browsing.
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02:57 < armenb> i should see how longit takes to build an unstable world.
02:58 < msachs> On my G5, it takes three days.
02:58 < msachs> It'd take more if less things failed :)
02:58 < armenb> heh! :P
02:59 < msachs> The next time I see some of the core people around, I'll ask them what our blockers are for the unstable bindist.
02:59 < armenb> it might take 3 days
02:59 < armenb> but then how big are the day-to-day diffs?
02:59 < msachs> I know in general it's hardware, software, bandwidth, and people/time, the question is in what proportions...
02:59 < armenb> i can imagine that packages probably go for a week or two in unstable.
03:00 < armenb> that's just an assumption - am i way off base?
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03:00 < msachs> It feels like I usually see about 10-50 packages in unstable get touched on a typical day.
03:00 < armenb> 10-50 out of how many?
03:00 < msachs> 4000
03:00 < msachs> The distribution is very uneven, of course.
03:00 < armenb> of course
03:00 < msachs> And keep in mind that when something changes, if you want to be thorough, you don't just rebuild it, but everything that depends on it.
03:00 < armenb> but even still it definitely seems like a single machine could keep chugging out compiled packages
03:02 < armenb> er, right...hm.
03:02 < msachs> I believe that human time is the chokepoint.
03:02 < msachs> People need to write some software, figure out how all this will work, solve some of the infrastructure and robustness questions...
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03:03 < msachs> There's been some noise about writing the software, much of it from me.
03:03 < armenb> hm. definitely sounds like an interesting project.
03:04 < msachs> If you're interested in helping out with it, maybe I should actually start organizing the effort.
03:04 < msachs> There's a third guy who I think may actually have started coding.
03:05 < armenb> hm, sure...i think it is probably imperative if i get used to fink a bit more though...
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03:06 < armenb> i'm a debian user mostly...where every package comes prebuilt.
03:06 < msachs> k, well, I'm in here at least a few times a week, sometimes more.
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03:06 < msachs> That was my background originally too.
03:06 < Stereo> hello folks :)
03:06 < msachs> They're just similar enough to be confusing :)
03:06 < msachs> Hi Stereo
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03:09 < Stereo> I just re-installed fink 0.8.0, ran apt-get update, then apt-get install wget eject file fileutils nmap ethereal gnupg, then tried to run ethereal and I get an ugly gtk error:
03:09 < Stereo> (ethereal:2062): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/sw/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory
03:09 < Stereo> (ethereal:2062): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Error loading XPM image loader: Image type 'xpm' is not supported
03:09 < Stereo> and 5 more lines which I won't paste because I don't want to flood the place
03:10 < msachs> Well first, it's usually better to do fink install instead of apt-get install
03:10 < Stereo> ( http://pastebin.com/338044 is the full error )
03:11 < msachs> apt-get install will only find binary packages, fink install will fall back to compiling from source if it needs to -- you'll probably want to set UseBinaryDist: true in /sw/etc/fink.conf to always try binaries first.
03:11 < Stereo> I find that compiling the exact same source code to produce the exact same binary code is a waste of time :)
03:11 < Stereo> I'll try that
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03:11 < msachs> Well the package that provides that gdk-pixbuf.loaders file is ...
03:12 < Stereo> do you guys have something like bugs.debian.org for bugs? I couldn't find anything similar
03:12 < armenb> msachs - do you know if fink might move to the three-tiered approach debian has taken?
03:12 < msachs> Hm, it's supposed to be automatically generated.
03:12 < armenb> stable -> testing -> unstable
03:12 < msachs> gtk+2-shlibs is the package which has the pixbuf loader.
03:12 < msachs> armenb: I've argued for something very close to that.
03:12 < Stereo> by gtk+-shlibs or gtk+-data maybe?
03:14 < Stereo> I don;t even have the /sw/etc/gtk-2.0/ directory
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03:14 < msachs> Try reinstalling the gtk+2 package
03:14 < Stereo> ah yes
03:15 < Stereo> that seems to be the missing dependency
03:15 < msachs> Mmm.
03:15 < armenb> in debian, that works great for me.  stable was getting way too out of date, and unstable had lots of broken packages that i didnt care to deal with.  testing seems to release packages at a good pace with good stability.
03:15 < Stereo> The following NEW packages will be installed:
03:15 < Stereo>   glib2 gtk+2 pango1-xft2
03:15 < Stereo> neat
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03:15 < msachs> Stereo: There is bugs.finkproject.org
03:15 < Stereo> what package should I file the bug against, in your opinion?
03:16 < msachs> It's experimental, but I personally encourage people to start using, since I want it to be non-experimental :)
03:17 < msachs> pango1-xft2, I think.
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03:18 < Stereo> shouldn't I file it in the package that should depend on pango1-xft2, gtk+2 etc. ?
03:18 < Stereo> this fixed ethereal btw
03:18 < msachs> It looks to me like pango1-xft2 is missing a dep on gtk+2
03:18 < msachs> Awesome.
03:19 < msachs> But I could be wrong, this newfangled Gnome and KDE stuff confuses me, my knowledge there is pretty outdated.
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03:24 < armenb> msachs - how do you build world?
03:25 < msachs> I have a script called buildfink.  It's in Fink CVS, scripts module, buildfink subdirectory.
03:26 < armenb> "world" doesnt seem to be a special word
03:26 < armenb> ah. cool.
03:26 < msachs> Special how?
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03:29 < armenb> er, i thought fink build world would try downloading and building all packages it knew about
03:29 < msachs> Ah, no such luck :)
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04:37 < viyyer> while installing pango with apt-get I get this error
04:37 < viyyer>  /sw/var/lib/dpkg/info/pango1-xft2.postinst: line 7: update-pango-modules: command not found
04:37 < viyyer> do I need to install pango1 first??
04:39 < viyyer> while installing pango1 I get this it asks for pango1-xft2 
04:39 < viyyer> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of pango1:
04:39 < viyyer>  pango1 depends on pango1-xft2 (>= 1.2.1-25); however:
04:39 < viyyer>   Package pango1-xft2 is not configured yet.
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04:47 < viyyer> any tips 
04:47 < viyyer> how I can go about installing fink
04:47 < viyyer> I mean installing pango with fink
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04:56 < viyyer> anyone  here?
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08:19 < akh_gone> viyyer: what happens if you try just pango1-xft2?
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08:21 < viyyer> akh, on running apt-get install pango1-xft2
08:21 < akh> Paste up the full output at http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink
08:23 < lisppaste> viyyer pasted "errors while installing pango1-xft2" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/10837
08:24 < akh> Ouch--that looks decidedly bad.
08:31 < akh> Yeah--it looks like the .deb file for Tiger is missing that file.
08:31 < viyyer> http://paste.lisp.org/display/10837
08:32 < viyyer> aah it's already pasted damn cool
08:32 < akh> Yup
08:32 < akh> You can download the Panther one (which should work):  http://bindist.finkmirrors.net/bindist/dists/10.3/release/main/binary-darwin-powerpc/gnome/pango1-xft2_1.6.0-1_darwin-powerpc.deb
08:33 < akh> Then just install it with "sudo dpkg -i <filename>"
08:34 < akh> <filename> is the full filename of the .deb
08:34 < viyyer> akh,  the main problem with fink is that the versions seem a bit old 
08:34 < akh> There are somewhat newer versions, but they haven't migrated to where we'll make binaries of them.
08:35 < RangerAway> 1.10 got released to unstable last night, just needs to make it's way to stable
08:35 < akh> Maybe Mr.  Gnome-core himself should encourage feedback to expedite this process.  ;-) 
08:35 < viyyer> akh, still the same error
08:36 < akh> From the Panther .deb file?
08:36 < akh> I checked it here and it was fine.
08:37 < viyyer> hm... should I paste it again ?
08:37 < viyyer> but the error is exactly the same
08:38 < akh> No--it's probably a procedural issue.  You downloaded the file to somewhere, and ran dpkg -i <stuff> ?
08:38 < viyyer> yeps
08:39 < akh> What's the size of the file?
08:39 < viyyer> akh, is there a certain 38008
08:39 < viyyer> ops the size is 38008
08:40 < akh> That's the right file--hmmm....maybe dpkg has the old one cached?
08:41 < akh> You can check the one you downloaded with "dpkg -c <filename>" and see that update-pango-modules is there.
08:42 < akh> Maybe try "sudo dpkg -r pango1-xft2" first in case it is cached somewhere.
08:42 < akh> (or partially installed)
08:43 < viyyer> akh, done
08:44 < viyyer> and tried again but on installing again it still gives the same error
08:46 < akh> That's very strange.  Try the "sudo dpkg -r pango1-xft2" again followed by "dpkg -l pango1-xft2" to see if it's cleared out or not.
08:47 < viyyer> rc  pango1-xft2      1.6.0-1          GTK+ - i18n libraries: for XFree86 (>= 4.3)
08:48 < akh> (I'll need a sec to remind myself what the columns are)
08:48 < viyyer> one sec akh 
08:48 < viyyer> shall I paste the columns
08:48 < viyyer> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
08:48 < viyyer> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
08:48 < viyyer> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
08:48 < viyyer> ||/ Name             Version          Description
08:48 < akh> I've got them.
08:48 < viyyer> now don't kick me for flooding :)
08:49 < viyyer> aah cool
08:50 < akh> hmm---maybe try "dpkg -r --purge pango1-xft2" and then "dpkg -l pango1-xft2"
08:53 < akh> crud--I was wrong about the Tiger .deb file being bad.
08:53  * akh missed seeing the file.
08:54 < akh> hmm
08:55 < akh> Do you have pango1-xft2-shlibs installed?
08:57  * akh obviously needs at least a half a cup of coffee before I start.
08:58 < viyyer> akh, no
08:58 < akh> try installing that, then--there may be a missing dependency that's causing issues.
09:02 < viyyer> alrite akh 
09:02 < viyyer> damn someone shutdown remote mac :(
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09:04 < viyyer> akh,  it is installed
09:09 < viyyer> akh, still the same error
09:14 < akh> hmmm...All right, I've got another idea now that the coffee is starting to work.  What do you get from "printenv PATH" ?
09:15 < viyyer>  /sw is the root for fink
09:16 < akh> What I'm looking for is whether both /sw/bin and /sw/sbin are in your PATH
09:16 < viyyer> nope
09:16 < viyyer> do I need to add them both ?
09:17 < akh> Don't do it manually.
09:18 < akh> Your .profile or whatever needs to have "source /sw/bin/init.sh" in it.
09:18 < akh> Try running /sw/bin/pathsetup.sh
09:18 < viyyer> aah ok
09:18 < akh> This sets up more than just the PATH
09:19 < viyyer> aah it works 
09:19 < akh> good
09:21 < viyyer> great ... now I need to install gtk+2.8
09:21 < viyyer> akh, is there a better option than hand compiling
09:22 < akh> I'll see if it's on our TODO list
09:23 < akh> Not as such
09:24 < akh> (either to being on the list or my knowledge of a better option than hand compiling)
09:24 < viyyer> damn 
09:25 -!- You're now known as RangerRick
09:26 < akh> Yeah--The latest version we have is sufficient for GNOME 2.10, so it's not a high priority to update.
09:26 < RangerRick> I've got an updated cairo so we should be able to put out new pango's and gtk's that will use it
09:26 < RangerRick> I'm gonna release it with my mono updates hopefully today
09:26 < viyyer> what version of gtk does gnome 2.10 like?
09:27 < akh> 2.6.4 or higher
09:27 < akh> We have 2.6.8
09:27 < viyyer> 2.6.4 will do 
09:28 < viyyer> damn it's actually gtk 2.6 but i keep confusing it as 2.8 
09:28  * viyyer slaps myseld
09:28 < akh> ah
09:28 < akh> That's OK--you've got easier installation options now.
09:29 < RangerRick> 2.8 just came out
09:29 < akh> So we won't have it for a year? :-)
09:31 < RangerRick> hehe
09:35 < viyyer> akh,  but the default source have gtk+1.2 ??
09:35 < viyyer> aargh
09:36 < akh> Well, try the "gtk+2" package, which is still old from binaries, admittedly.
09:37 < viyyer> akh, that gtk 2.4.9
09:37 < akh> As I said.
09:37 < akh> 2.6.8 is available via a source install.
09:37 < viyyer> any apt sources? with there cutting edge stuff?
09:38 < akh> Not officiallly.
09:38 < akh> (meaning that people may have them around, but we can't speak as to the reliability of the binary package--missing depends, etc.)
09:39 < viyyer> that's  fine with me
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09:44 < akh> Unfortunately I'm not sure who has a 10.4-transitional repository available.
09:44 < viyyer> akh, 10.3.x
09:46 < akh> oh--then you might try the deb source detailed at http://ftp.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/pub/fink/fink/
09:46 < akh> There's no warranty, however.  ;-)
09:47 < viyyer> hehe 
09:47 < viyyer> all fingers crossed
09:47 < akh> And I can't speak to how recently it was updated.
09:48 < viyyer> akh, any editing of entried on apt.conf?
09:48 < akh> I think just sources.list
09:49 < akh> I've never had to edit anything else, anyway.
09:49 < viyyer> cool.. so.. there are not different distros based on maturity
09:50 < akh> I guess not.
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09:53 < viyyer> akh, nope the version on it is 2.4.9-8 :(
09:54 < akh> Ah--I was afraid of that.
09:54 < akh> Somebody else may have one.
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10:36 < dmacks> viyyer: the precompiled versions of pango are *very* old and pretty-much-unmaintainable:(
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10:37 < runelind> hey finkers
10:37 < dmacks> hiya
10:38 < viyyer> dmacks, I want a more recent version of gtk+
10:38 < dmacks> If you want "a more recent version of X", you should use the unstable tre.
10:38 < dmacks> tree
10:39 < dmacks> (which means having fink compile locally, not apt-getting binaries) Look at fink.sf.net/pdb/package.php to see the version differences.
10:40 < dmacks> gtk+2 2.6.8 vs 2.4.9; glib2 2.6.6 vs 2.4.6; pango1-xft2 1.10.0 vs 1.6.0
10:44 < viyyer> dmacks, damn cool
10:46 < viyyer> deb http://bindist.finkmirrors.net/bindist 10.3/current main crypto
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10:49 < viyyer> does this line on my sources allow fot 
10:49 < viyyer> allow for unstable packages ??
10:49 < viyyer> how do I add the unstable packages here
10:50 < dmacks> No. unstable is not available for binary download. apt is for handling binaries.
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10:50 < dmacks> Dammit cirdan! Where's the bot??
10:51 < dmacks> Gotta use the 'fink' command, not apt-get, whichhas a different config file.
10:51 < dmacks> Hiya TheSin!
10:52 < TheSin> hey dmacks
10:52 < TheSin> see you solved the pkg-config problem
10:52 < TheSin> I'm gonna fix it upstream soon
10:52 < dmacks> Cool!
10:53 < dmacks> "deflected blame" more than "solved":)
10:54 < dmacks> That will make msachs happy too...otherwise nothing that depends on libcdio1 will build in his world.
10:56 < viyyer> dmacks fink doesn't list the gtk+ new version
10:57 < dmacks> 'gtk+' or 'gtk+2'?
10:57 < viyyer> gtk+2 version is 2.4.9-8
10:57 < dmacks> Something is wrong with how you enabled unstable.
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11:00 < viyyer> is there something like updating the souce list?
11:00 < viyyer> for the fink
11:00 < dmacks> Fink FAQ 5.8ish
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11:05 < chris01> hey TheSin!
11:06 < TheSin> hey chris01 
11:06 < chris01> TheSin: i am waiting for fink-0.24.9 to be released, and then to be put to stable, before I can move apache2 et. al.
11:06 < dmacks> (part 1 is already done:)
11:07 < viyyer> damn rsync never happens
11:09 < viyyer> what does this mean... some problem on my firewall ? rsync error: error in socket IO (code 10) at /SourceCache/rsync/rsync-14/rsync/clientserver.c(93)
11:11 < jtyler> hey TheSin
11:12 < TheSin> hey man
11:12 < jtyler> yo you haven't been on here in awhile? or is that me :D
11:16 < TheSin> no been busy
11:16 < TheSin> with $JOB
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11:23 < chris01> TheSin: another question: you once worked on the uidgid branch to implement a per .info file passwd feature.
11:23 < chris01> What is the status of this project?
11:24 < TheSin> needs lots of work
11:24 < TheSin> I'll get back to it soon I'm sure with winter coming
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11:24 < chris01> ok. cool.
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12:02 < viyyer> why does rsync with all the fink repositories seem to fail 
12:03 < zizban> are you using the latest fink?
12:03 < viyyer> yes
12:04 < viyyer> rsync -az -q  rsync://bdl.ct.us.finkmirrors.net/finkinfo//TIMESTAMP /sw/fink/TIMESTAMP.tmprsync: failed to connect to bdl.ct.us.finkmirrors.net: Operation timed out
12:04 < viyyer> rsync error: error in socket IO (code 10) at /SourceCache/rsync/rsync-14/rsync/clientserver.c(93)
12:04 < viyyer> ### execution of rsync failed, exit code 10
12:04 < viyyer> this is the error I get
12:05 < zizban> weird
12:07 < akh> The mirrors probably need smacked around again.
12:08 < zizban> yep
12:15 < jtyler> [C/leave
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12:20 < akh> mmm...new cairo...
12:21 < chris01> somebody needs to adjust the topic...
12:21 < zizban> yummy
12:21 < chris01> 0.24.9
12:22 < dmacks> RangerRick: When you get a chance, gst-plugins whines about BuildDependsOnly violations vs libdvdcss
12:22 < RangerRick> dmacks: ok
12:23 -!- mode/#fink [+o akh] by ChanServ
12:23 < dmacks> akh: damn:)
12:23 <@akh> Have a question? Check the FAQ: http://fink.sf.net/faq || Latest Installers: 0.6.4 (10.2), 0.7.2 (10.3), 0.8.0 (10.4) || Fink 0.24.9: Pavo
12:23 <@akh> oops
12:23 -!- akh changed the topic of #fink to: Have a question? Check the FAQ: http://fink.sf.net/faq || Latest Installers: 0.6.4 (10.2), 0.7.2 (10.3), 0.8.0 (10.4) || Fink 0.24.9: Pavo
12:23 < RangerRick> nice thing about gtk and such using cairo now, is cairo has a quartz backend
12:23 < RangerRick> looking forward to trying to update them
12:24 -!- mode/#fink [-o akh] by ChanServ
12:24 < akh> There we go
12:24 < dmacks> Cool! /me knows >< about cairo, just that people keep whining about not having it in our gnome:)
12:25 < akh> I think the lack of menus in our GNOME is probably more important.  :-p
12:25 < RangerRick> hehe
12:25 < dmacks> akh: I'll put it on our...uh...list of products'n'services.
12:26 < akh> heh
12:27  * dmacks suspects cairo support in pango1 will mean we need to propagate cairo/cairo-shlibs deps into all pkgs that use pango1. "hope ya like a warm CPU"
12:27 < zizban> heh
12:27 < zizban> a propagate party!
12:28 < RangerRick> dmacks: not necessarily, if it's dlopened or something it might be OK
12:28  * dmacks hopes so:)
12:28 < RangerRick> I'll give it a shot on my box, just for kicks, when I get mono done
12:28 < dmacks> zizban: Including oo.o and mozilla:)
12:28 < zizban> woot
12:29 < akh> like our oo.org needs more cruft to build.
12:30  * zizban wonders what users would think if fink had a package named "clit"
12:31 < chris01> akh: thanks for changing the topic!
12:31 < dmacks> Users wouldn't be able to find it?
12:31 < chris01> and we just need to get it to stable...
12:32 < zizban> its a command line app for converting ebook .lit files into plain html
12:33 < RangerRick> haha
12:33 < RangerRick> chris01: it will never make it into stable, it's a moving target
12:33 < zizban> too bad it's only a binary. It would have made a fun package
12:34 < dmacks> RangerRick: pango1 appears to linkscairo as a normal library and propagates it via .la and .pc to everthing that links pango.
12:34 < RangerRick> dmacks: damn
12:34 < dmacks> Of course it's for html conversion silly...it's used when you get Mark up.
12:35 < dmacks> Okay, I really need to stop.
12:35 < chris01> RangerRick: mh... :(
12:36 < akh> dmacks: Yeah, this is a family channel.
12:37 < chris01> lisppaste: url?
12:37 < lisppaste> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink and enter your paste.
12:38 < lisppaste> chris01 pasted "Look: a friendly mail from a fink user" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/10845
12:38 < chris01> Has anybody a good answer to that?
12:39 < chris01> Please annotate. ;)
12:40 < akh> "Fink doesn't distribute standalone items.  Install Fink as per http://fink.sourceforge.net/download/index.php?phpLang=en" first.
12:40 < lisppaste> akh annotated #10845 with "idea one" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/10845#1
12:40 < akh> There--I'll annotate it
12:40  * akh assumes they aren't a Fink user as such but just know that we have svn
12:40 < dmacks> Sounds like it, akh.
12:41 < chris01> akh: thanks!
12:42 < akh> chris01: Sure.
12:42 < zizban> ha ha, made my teenage daughter blush
12:42 < zizban> she was wondering what i was doing. Show her name of app
12:43 < dmacks> heh
12:43 < akh> hehe
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12:57 < RangerRick> we need inheritedbuilddepends
12:58 < MacinMan> what's the fink paste link? i've encountered build issues for a fink package called xmms-scizzor it used to build on panther but fails on tiger
12:58 < RangerRick> lispp	url
12:58 < RangerRick> erp
12:58 < RangerRick> lisppaste: url
12:58 < lisppaste> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink and enter your paste.
12:59 < lisppaste> MacinMan pasted "xmms scizzor failure to build" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/10846
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13:06 < RangerRick> looks like something changed, header-wise in tiger
13:06 < RangerRick> or your xcode didn't upgrade properly when you upgraded
13:07 < MacinMan> i installed xcode 2.1 from scratch
13:07 < RangerRick> did you send an e-mail to the maintainer?
13:07 < RangerRick> that's not something with a quick generic answer, it will need someone digging into the code
13:07 < MacinMan> ok
13:07 < MacinMan> well i tried switching gcc
13:07 < MacinMan> and that didn't fix it
13:09 < MacinMan> as far as emaing the maintainer i haven't
13:10 < zizban> Ben Hines has that package
13:11 < MacinMan> ok
13:12 < zizban> http://fink.sourceforge.net/pdb/package.php/xmms-scizzor
13:12 < zizban> link to the fink page, as his email
13:12 < MacinMan> well fink also gives his email after the error
13:12 < MacinMan> so i can also get it from that
13:15 < MacinMan> anyway thanks guys
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13:18 < zizban> fink: 10,000,000,000 people served
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14:27 < akh> mmm...new pango1...
14:28 < msachs> Put in a depend on gtk+2 ?
14:29  * akh wasn't reporting a problem.  ;-)
14:29 < akh> OTOH, it does indeed look like it needs it.
14:30 < dmacks> akh: <1 hour from its release to package upgrade:)
14:30 < msachs> Someone was in here yesterday reporting a problem which turned out to be solved by that.
14:30 < akh> Yeah--I've seen those, too.
14:30 < akh> dmacks:  most impressive
14:31 < akh> mmm...new orbit2 and gdl
14:31  * akh builds
14:31 < dmacks> IIRC, the problem with ethereal is that *ethereal* calls gtk+2 stuff, so it's ethereal that needs Depends:gtk+2, which it has had for *many* versions now.
14:31 < akh> yah
14:31 < dmacks> (sorry, was orbit2 with the prompt update; pango1 took a day or two)
14:31 < akh> Regardless.  ;-)
14:32 < msachs> Ah, okay.  The error messages the guy was getting sounded like they were coming from pango.  Complaining it didn't have pixmap loaders or somesuch.
14:32 < dmacks> If user is to get advantage of a fix in pango1's deps, he'd need to be using unstable, which means he'd have the newer ethereal-with-deps also.
14:32 < akh> msachs: Yeah--that's a missing build-dep on gtk+2
14:32 < msachs> Mmm.
14:33 < dmacks> Guess we should figure out what we're talking about...build vs runtime; build (or runtime) of *what*, etc...first.
14:33 < akh> Generally it's buildtime.
14:33 < msachs> This was a runtime thing.
14:34 < dmacks> My point exactly.
14:34 < akh> oops.
14:34 < akh> Just checked--I misremembered.
14:35 < akh> It was indeed a runtime dep on gtk+2 that was missing
14:35 < akh> And 'twas the updated ethereal in the bindist.
14:36 < akh> So the fix is "new bindist, drm!"
14:36 < dmacks> Right.
14:36 < akh> (or perhaps at least a second update to this version of ethereal)
14:37 < dmacks> This isn't the first time this exact bug has been reported:(
14:37 < akh> No--unfortunately we only fixed the "missing ethereal executable" bug.
14:38 < dmacks> Ayup.
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14:39 < akh> There's no good way to check runtime deps other than trial and error, is there?
14:40 < msachs> I can't think of one...
14:40 < dmacks> Lotsa heuristics, no foolproof way, lotsa gotcha cases.
14:40 < msachs> I mean for packages where the running can be automated, we can run them.
14:40 < dmacks> Lots of buried DescUsage notes that nobody bothers to read.
14:40 < akh> So we need active users plus a good bug tracking system.
14:41 < dmacks> Right.
14:42 < akh> Time for reportbug?
14:43 < dmacks> Sounds good to me. OTOH isn't cirdan_AWOL sorta-in-charge of the back end?
14:43 < akh> yah
14:43 < akh> Going for irony ?
14:44 < dmacks> Don't wanna have it unattended when it goes live. Otherwise we'll file bugs on the bug-system itself, the server will collapse into a singularity, etc etc
14:44 < akh> (the AWOL thing, since he's away at training)
14:44 < akh> dmacks:  yeah, good point.
14:44  * dmacks knows, but didn't remember it at the time I wrote that.
14:52 < akh> OK--I guess the question is whether the problem is in ethereal or pango1*
14:53 < akh> If ethereal had a runtime dep on gtk+2 that would solve the problem, but does it occur for other packages?
15:03 < dmacks> cat >bob
15:03 < dmacks> oops
15:03 < akh> heh
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15:12 < akh> mmm...another GNOME vs. RangerRick file conflict.  
15:12 < msachs> Round 2.  Fight!
15:12 < akh> Round 1 never got resolved.  ;-)
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15:15 < akh> (1 == GNOME vs. KDE themes) (2 == gtksourceview vs. gtksourceview-sharp)
15:15 < RangerRick> heh
15:15 < RangerRick> probably just need to update gtksourceview
15:15 < RangerRick> we're still on 1.0
15:15 < akh> Yeah--gnome-core is such a slacker.  ;-)
15:16 < RangerRick> ah, I stand corrected, we're up to 1.2 now
15:17 < akh> And we only need 1.2.1 for GNOME-2.10
15:17 < dmacks> akh: In the past, miga has voiced concerns about excessive dependencies on gtk+2.
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15:17 < akh> oops---/me had it backwards
15:17 < akh> dmacks:  Ah
15:18 < akh> So really we need to find the lowest-level package that depends on it.
15:18  * RangerRick prays all his mono changes work on 10.3 too
15:18 < RangerRick> if so, I'll be able to release today
15:19 < dmacks> IIRC, certain things one might do with certain components of pango1 would need gtk+2, but otherwise not.
15:19 < dmacks> I actually understand all of this much less than you might think.
15:20 < akh> dmacks:  right, but OTOH we're having runtime failurs.
15:20 < akh> failures
15:22 < dmacks> It makes sense to me that each of pango1/pango1-dev/pango1-shlibs should depend on the analogous component of gtk+2.
15:22 < akh> yeah
15:23 < dmacks> OTOH if it really is ethereal that is using gtk+2, then it's ethereal's dependency problem.
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15:23 < akh> It kind of looks like ethereal is using pango1 to me.
15:24 < lisppaste> akh pasted "ethereal error" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/10851
15:24 < akh> This is a sample
15:25 < akh> Though there's also a direct gtk+2 dependency issue too.
15:25 < lisppaste> akh annotated #10851 with "direct" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/10851#1
15:26 < akh> That file is in gtk+2
15:26 < akh> So you're right.
15:27 < akh> And it's fixed in the current incarnation of ethereal.
15:27 < dmacks> So there's nothing more to do at this point?
15:27 < akh> Get the current version into the bindist.
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15:29 < akh> (it will be in the next one, as it's in the stable tree)
15:29 < akh> And maybe a *sigh* transient FAQ item is in order.
15:30  * akh is loath to put up stuff that I know I'm going to remove.
15:30 < dmacks> Yeah. The quick solution for now ("insall gtk+2") is easy enough for folks to do. OTOH, can't drm push a quick update of this package.
15:30 < dmacks> ...into the bindist?
15:30 < akh> Probably--he already updated it once, so why not again?
15:32 < dmacks> heh
15:33 < dmacks> RangerRick: Can probably just have gtksourceview-sharp:Depends:gtksourceview and not bother installing your own copy of the file?
15:34 < RangerRick> dmacks: I just need to depend on >= 1.2
15:34 < RangerRick> 1.0 has the file, 1.2 does not
15:34 < akh> Easy enough
15:35  * dmacks so confooozed.
15:37 < akh> Who are we to question the wishes of upstream?
15:37 < akh> ;-)
15:39 < dmacks> Yeah...a wise man once said "Don't cross the streams!"
15:40 < akh> heh
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16:10 < wart_> Quick question: /sw/etc/init.d doesn't exist: where do init scripts go in fink?
16:11 < wart_> (and grepping the FAQ for init.d or rc. failed to turn up anything)
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16:19 < runelind> is smb not supported in kde?
16:20 < runelind> I tried to mount a network dir via smb://server/share in konqueror and it said not supported
16:21 < RangerRick> I guess not
16:21 < runelind> ;p
16:21 < RangerRick> I seem to recall it requiring samba 3, which wasn't in fink at the time of packaging
16:21 < RangerRick> if it is now, perhaps I can add it to the 3.4.2 packages
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16:22 < runelind> :)
16:22 < RangerRick> nope, 2.2
16:22 < RangerRick> 3 comes with tiger, though
16:22 < RangerRick> and panther
16:22 < RangerRick> sweet, maybe I can link theirs
16:23 < RangerRick> have to make a system-samba3-dev package though  :)
16:24 < runelind> what the crap
16:24 < RangerRick> ?
16:24 < runelind> I am trying to install xvnc4, and it is installing all the X sources
16:24 < RangerRick> yup, that's what it does
16:24 < RangerRick> it builds it's own x server from the x sources
16:24 < RangerRick> fun, eh?
16:24 < runelind> not really :)
16:25 < runelind> is that what I'm reduced to doing if I need to start a vnc server from the CLI?
16:25 < dmacks> Is Tiger's mount_smbfs still horribly broken?
16:25 < RangerRick> got me
16:25 < runelind> I'm wondering what the interface does when i try to mount that way
16:25 < runelind> cause that usually works well
16:26 < RangerRick> runelind: there's a way to set up OSXVNC so it will start from the command-line
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16:26 < runelind> with the exception of it taking a couple of minutes every once in a while
16:26 < RangerRick> and that way you can share quartz too, not just x11
16:26 < runelind> but could I install it from cli?
16:26 < dmacks_away> Wow, we have a new level of cluelessness on -i18n.
16:27 < runelind> I shouldn't have yanked the keyboard and monitor away from that box ;p
16:27 < dmacks_away> "thanks for causing my mail-sorting script to seg-fault"
16:27 < RangerRick> wtf?
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16:29 < runelind> dmacks_away: got mount_smbfs to work without any problems
16:34 < runelind> konqueror works pretty well
16:34 < runelind> who needs vnc ;p
16:35 < runelind> what's the gnome file manager, nautilus?
16:39 < RangerRick> yeah
16:39 < runelind> k
16:39 < runelind> i've been pretty happy with running konqueror over remote sessions
16:41 < RangerRick> fish:// is the greatest thing ever
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16:48 < runelind> yeah, but not to windows boxes :)
16:50 < jtyler> never hear of that fish://, what is that ?
16:53 < RangerRick> runelind: it could if you set up cygwin  :)
16:53 < RangerRick> jtyler: it's remote file access over ssh
16:53 < RangerRick> basically,  as long as the remote anend has perl and ssh, you can fish:// to it
16:54 < jtyler> RangerRick: thats totally kewl, similar to sftp in some ways then?
16:55 < jtyler> holy crap that works nice
16:55 < jtyler> i just did that to my server, and god I have lots of files :D
16:56 < RangerRick> hehe
16:56 < RangerRick> yeah, it's great
16:57 < jtyler> well thanks for the tip RangerRick thats sweet! :D
16:57 < RangerRick> yeah
17:00 < jtyler> nothing else seems to use that protocol either.
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17:02 < RangerRick> there was a command-line tool back in the day
17:03 < jtyler> kewl
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17:05 < cian> anyone using kdevelop on mac os x
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17:06 < cian> anyone using kdevelop on mac os x
17:07 < cian> anyone got kdevelop working on mac os x
17:08 < RangerRick> it builds, and it ran some basic tests
17:08 < RangerRick> but I really haven't used it extensively
17:08 < RangerRick> just package it  :)
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17:08 < cian> ok I've got a problem with it
17:08 < cian> in that when I make a C project
17:08 < cian> it gives an error that it cannot create the C plugin?????
17:09 < RangerRick> kdevelop does some funky module-loading stuff, it's really finicky
17:09 < RangerRick> I'm working on kde 3.4.2 at the moment, I'll look into it while I get kdevelop 3.2.2 updated
17:09 < cian> any ideas, or post install pokes that it needs
17:09 < RangerRick> I'm not sure, I'll see if I can reproduce it on my end
17:10 < RangerRick> but it won't be 'till this weekend that I get everything finished up, probably
17:10 < cian> ok I'm going to the IOI in Poland on thursday, where I won't have Xcode, so I suspect I'll just have to try it out over X11 forwarding
17:10 < cian> i'll try running it as root
17:10 < RangerRick> doubt that'll help, but you can try
17:10 < cian> i'll try anything now
17:11 < RangerRick> kdevelop has been kind of a red-headed stepchild
17:11 < RangerRick> I package KDE, and got enough requests for it that I packaged it, but I don't use it myself
17:11 < cian> ok fyi the exact error is:
17:11 < RangerRick> so it really doesn't get much in the way of testing
17:11 < cian> "Could not create language plugin for C."
17:11 < cian> I think I might stick to Emacs and GDB
17:12 < cian> ok, I don't really use it either
17:12 < RangerRick> all my development is done with either vim or eclipse  :)
17:13 < cian> I won't have eclipse in poland, the environment is pretty restricted
17:13 < cian> do you think this could be related:
17:13 < cian> http://kdevelop.org/mediawiki/index.php/FAQ#I_get_an_error_message_.22couldn.27t_create_a_language_plugin.22._What_is_wrong.3F
17:15 < RangerRick> you can try rerunning kbuildsycoca
17:15 < RangerRick> but all the plugins are in the default search path, so that probably won't make a difference
17:15 < RangerRick> something is more fundamentally wrong, I think
17:16 < cian> ok, I can't even manage to get it to compile from source
17:17 < RangerRick> it's funny how much disk speed makes a difference, it takes my 1.25GHz g4 powerbook longer to build mono than my 800MHz g4 powermac, 'cause the powerbook has a laptop drive, and the powermac has 2 drives software-raided
17:17 < RangerRick> yeah, I needed to patch it because their exception-handling stuff is really finicky with apple's compiler
17:17 < cian> ok, I'll ask you one favour, if you don't mind, if you happen to solve it, drop me a mail (cian@cian.ws) and I shall be eternally grateful (well for a week or so)
17:18 < cian> I just can't wait 'till macs suffer from gcc i386 compiler bug exploits
17:18 < RangerRick> send me an email at kdevelop@fink.racoonfink.com and I'll try to rememeber to respond when I get it working  :)
17:20 < zizban> just like kde/mac? :)
17:20 < RangerRick> hehe
17:20 < RangerRick> no, kdevelop is actually on the "soon" roadmap  :)
17:21 < zizban> woot :)
17:21 < RangerRick> and the rest of KDE/x11
17:21 < cian> well thanks for the help, i'm going to try to get some sleep
17:21 < RangerRick> which I have mostly updated to 3.4.2
17:21 < cian> night
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17:21 < RangerRick> and unified into one version, no ssl/non-ssl
17:22 < RangerRick> (woot)
17:22 < zizban> heh
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17:26 < auslander> hia, i want to install ethereal but fink wants to pull xfree86 with it, is this necesary?
17:27 < zizban> do you have xfree86 installed already?
17:27 < auslander> nop zizban
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17:28 < auslander>  i   system-xfree86               2:4.4-2               [placeholder for user installed x11]
17:28 < auslander>  i   system-xfree86-dev           2:4.4-2               [placeholder for user installed x11 development tools]
17:28 < auslander>  i   system-xfree86-shlibs        2:4.4-2               [placeholder for user installed x11 shared libraries]
17:29 < zizban> so you don't have xfree or apple's X11, that explains why it wants to install it :)
17:29 < auslander> oke, so do u recommend xorg, xfree or x11?
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17:30 < zizban> I dont have a preference
17:33 < wart_> So, is this the right way of doing things: I dselect installed mysql.  Now the mysql.server script I just plop into /System/Library/StartupItems?
17:35 < auslander> zizban, uhmm i dont understand this use of the term placeholder, witch means is already there...spcially when it says user installed x11..
17:35 < zizban> auslander: do you have x windows installed already?
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17:47 < dk0rr> hey. can someone help me install this on my osx? http://www.bittornado.com/download.html
17:47 < dk0rr> i have x11/fink all that stuff
17:47 < dk0rr> I just, dont know what im doing.
17:49 < dk0rr> ?
17:50 < zizban> hmm wxPython
17:50 < RangerRick> dk0rr: fink install bittornado
17:50 < RangerRick> actually, fink install bittornado-gui
17:51  * dk0rr tries
17:51 < zizban> =oh we have it? neat
17:51 < RangerRick> if you don't have unstable enabled, you'll need to follow the instructions at http://fink.sourceforge.net/faq/usage-fink.php?phpLang=en#unstable too
17:51 < dk0rr> oh no!
17:51 < dk0rr> instructions always lead to dead ends
17:53 < dk0rr> what do I use to edit /sw/etc/fink.conf
17:53 < dk0rr> "nano /sw/etc/fink.conf"
17:53 < dk0rr> something like that?
17:54 < RangerRick> whatever you'd like
17:54 < dk0rr> i cant write to it
17:54 < dk0rr> permission denied
17:55 < RangerRick> you need to be root
17:56 < dk0rr> fink self update...
17:56 -!- You're now known as RangerAway
17:56 < dk0rr> 1.rsync 2.cvs or 3.stick to point release ?
17:56 < RangerAway> 1 is recommended
17:56 < dk0rr> directions do not say which to pick
17:57 < dk0rr> lalalala
17:58 < dmacks> msachs: The bonobo/atspi symbol mess from last week uncovered that nobody in the universe can really agree how bonobo is supposed to be used.
17:59 < dk0rr> thanks ranger.
18:00 < dk0rr> hrm.. now what?
18:00 < dk0rr> how do i run it?
18:03 < zizban> run fink selfupdate again
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18:26  * dmacks wonders if apple will ever fix poll().........
18:27 < zizban> how about Netsplits?
18:27 < dmacks> Naw, that's libtool's fault.
18:28 < zizban> heh
18:31 < zizban> > 
18:32 < zizban> BREAKING NEWS
18:32 < zizban> A worm shut down computers running Windows 2000 software across the United States. More soon.
18:32 < zizban> gotta love windows
18:33 < dmacks> Good...that'll keep Other OS's problems out of the news...
18:33 < lisppaste> dmacks (from wolfram.com via scitech) pasted "Oops " at http://paste.lisp.org/display/10852
18:33 < zizban> heh
18:33 < zizban> is that the break caused by the security update?
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18:34 < zizban> sure is
18:34 < dmacks> At least it's better than the itunes "and also erase your hard drive" update a few years back.
18:36 < zizban> true
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21:31 < aaron42> is anyone doing anything about the gettext situation?
21:31 < aaron42> i hate to bitch, and i know the answer is probably "how about you?"
21:31 < aaron42> but the dependency thrashing is making a twenty-package update take ten hours of babysittinge
21:33 < msachs> I /think/ it's fixed in the next Fink release.
21:34 < msachs> What's dpkg -s fink say?
21:34 < msachs> Or fink -V, even.
21:35 < msachs> http://www.finkproject.org/faq/comp-general.php?phpLang=en#gettext
21:35 < msachs> 0.24.9 is in unstable if you want it.
21:36 < zizban> 0.24.9 should solve the problem, I think
21:37 < akh> yah
21:37 < aaron42> i have 0.24.8
21:38 < msachs> Do fink selfupdate
21:38 < aaron42> that was the first thing i did today before starting an update cycle
21:38 < aaron42> but i'll try it again
21:38 < msachs> The mirrors can lag a bit sometimes.
21:39 < msachs> .9 came out pretty recently.
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21:39 < zizban> yepper
21:39 < aaron42> ok, there we go
21:39 < aaron42> except that curl is crashing
21:40 < aaron42> oh, no it isn't, it's just 404
21:40 < akh> try a different mirror
21:40 < aaron42> ok, i'll keep hitting 4 until it works
21:42 < aaron42> ah, sf has it
21:49 < zizban> good old sf
21:51 < aaron42> of course, all the gnome packages are missing from the regular mirrors, and the gnome.org server is slow as hell
21:52 < msachs> Yeah.
21:52 < msachs> I ran into that earlier today.
21:54 < aaron42> ah, everythings downloaded now
21:54 < aaron42> '
21:54 < aaron42> let's see if it can compile
21:54  * msachs crosses fingers
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