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02:18 < dmacks> If pieter_ comes back, tell him to see if the new gnome-terminal (2.10.0) will build.
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04:08 < knghtbrd> hmm..
04:08 < knghtbrd> Woshit.
04:08 < knghtbrd> I was considering that freevo might be a little less ... insane? than mythtv
04:08 < knghtbrd> It's written in python and uses twisted.
04:08 < knghtbrd> So much for non-insane--twisted is aptly named.
04:12 < viyyer> ### execution of /var/tmp/tmp.1.yULgVF failed, exit code 1
04:12 < viyyer> I'm getting this error while installing gtk+2 using fink
04:13 < viyyer> error attempting to install fink-buildlock-gcc3.1-3.1-0
04:18 < lisppaste> viyyer pasted "fink gcc3.1 error" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/10920
04:20 < viyyer> any ideas about this error ?
04:21 < viyyer> why do I need gcc3.1 ? I already have gcc3.3 and gcc4
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08:27 < VincentMX> where does fink install to? i want to use WindowMaker. i have downloaded it with fink commander
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08:37 < RangerRick> VincentMX: /sw
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08:41 < VincentMX> i still can't find it.
08:43 < RangerRick> it should be /sw/bin/wmaker
08:52 < VincentMX> ok
08:52 < VincentMX> thnx
08:53 < VincentMX> it aint there
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08:58 < RangerRick> dunno, that's where it goes if it's installed  :)
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10:04  * akh really should start using "fink -y update-all" for when I switch windows and forget that I hadn't acknowledged a prompt.
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10:26 < dmacks> RangerRick: libidn needs a BDO tag in the headers (main) package. Which means the locale/ should shift to -shlibs I think?
10:26 < RangerRick> dmacks: ok
10:27 < dmacks> "hi, validator bug!"
10:28 < dmacks> viyyer: Every gcc has different features, patches bugs that things may rely on, and breaks new things. If something says it needs gcc3.1, you can either install gcc3.1 or else rewrite it to work with a newer compiler.
10:30 < dmacks> OTOH, /me wonders if option #1 is really the best choice (which is what requires gcc3.1 here)
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10:40 < MacinMan> i just tried to build gnome-terminal with fink 0.49 and it exits with error 2 has something broken in this rele3ase? i've not had a problem with it before now even switching to gcc 3.3 doesn't fix it
10:42 < RangerRick> MacinMan: you need to give us more than that
10:42 < RangerRick> paste the error to lisppaste 
10:42 < RangerRick> lisppaste: url
10:42 < lisppaste> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink and enter your paste.
10:43 < lisppaste> MacinMan pasted "gnome terminal breakage" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/10931
10:44 < dmacks> gnome-terminal is now at 2.10.0
10:44 < RangerRick> hm, that looks like something without a quick answer
10:44 < RangerRick> ah, well there you go
10:44 < RangerRick> quick answer
10:44 < RangerRick> :)
10:44 < dmacks> heh
10:45 < MacinMan> ok just did fink selfupdate
10:47 < MacinMan> thanks guys got it
10:47 < akh> A couple of people on -beginners had the same issue--no solution showed up.
10:47 < dmacks> "thanks gnome, for removing that symbol in the new version of some lib or header"
10:48 < MacinMan> hey akh what percentage of fink packages really need gcc 4.0 if it's small i'll stick with 3.3
10:48 < akh> And I couldn't even find _GNOME_FILE_ENTRY on Google at that time--now all of the hits are fink-beginners threads.
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10:48 < dmacks> (or maybe it's long been silently deprecated and nobody bothered fixing their older stuff?)
10:48 < akh> MacinMan: On Tiger we're trying to make most of them build with 4.0.
10:49 < MacinMan> ok
10:49 < akh> Right now they use gcc-4.0 and g++-3.3 by default--the goal is to have 4.0/4.0 if at all possible.
10:50 < MacinMan> well akh my gtk stuff works nicer now with the fink update to 0.49
10:50 < akh> Good
10:50 < MacinMan> yep
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10:51 < MacinMan> akh is it possible to get freebsd's jail feature to work on darwin?
10:52 < akh> I don't know.
10:52 < MacinMan> ok
10:53 < RangerRick> MacinMan: it is not a feature of the darwin kernel, if that's what you mean
10:53 < MacinMan> oh is it kernel leve?
10:53 < MacinMan> i thought it was just a command
10:55 < RangerRick> I think it interfaces with some special kernel stuff, but I'm not positive
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10:56 < MacinMan> ok ranger
10:56 < akh> dmacks:  found an easier way to do my wiki backups--via meld.
10:57 < MacinMan> akh does fink's cdrecord package even work? it can't find my ibook's combo drive 
10:58 < MacinMan> i tried it on two machines
10:58 < MacinMan> it builds but i can't really do much with it
10:58 < MacinMan> since it doesn't like any of my drives
10:58 < MacinMan> it seems
10:58 < RangerRick> MacinMan: there's something you need to passs it
10:59 < RangerRick> I thought it was in the info file, but apparently not
10:59  * dmacks has long loved meld.
11:00 < MacinMan> ranger i can check the info file i was just trying to use it as it works on any other computer
11:00 < MacinMan> and wasn't getting much from it
11:00 < dmacks> It appears GNOME_FILE_ENTRY symbol moved from one of the core gnome libs into libgnomeui, so something written for older-gnome wouldn't know to include that lib.
11:01 < RangerRick> cdrecord dev=IODVDServices
11:01 < MacinMan> ok
11:02 < MacinMan> thanks
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11:07 < MacinMan> one other thing i've wondered, is it possible to start and aqua ap via command line by typing the path to the binary in the package
11:08 < dmacks> You can 'open /some/path/to/the.app'
11:08 < MacinMan> ok
11:08 < dmacks> You can often '/some/path/to/the_app.app/Contents/MacOS/the_app'
11:09 < MacinMan> ok i was thinking of doing that for apps that require an external audio souce was going to offer the app an aqua app to pay audio instead of esound
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11:19 < RangerRick> heh
11:19 < RangerRick> 11:18 < t2d> aetius needs to get off the phone so we can go look at boobies
11:19 < RangerRick> 11:18 <@gore> I wish my boss would tell me that.
11:19 < dmacks> ha
11:19 < RangerRick> (t2d is aetius's boss)
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11:20 < akh> I assume they aren't birders looking at seabirds. ;-)
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11:37 < akh> htodd:  fix the nonexistent dia!
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11:38 < htodd> er, what now?
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11:39 < dmacks> Anyone feel like updating fink's cvs pkg? The existing one doesn't appear to work with pserver/anon.
11:39 < akh> htodd:  ;-)  Just wanted you to be awake
11:39 < akh> dmacks:   really?
11:39 < akh> That would be problematic.
11:39 < dmacks> Indeed.
11:39 < akh> Where's the maintainer?
11:39 < dmacks> hahahahahahaha
11:39  * akh never noticed because I always use ext
11:40 < dmacks> sylvain
11:40 < akh> ah
11:40 < akh> Maybe it could be variantized to include cvs-proxy
11:40 < akh> And that maintainer still is around.
11:40 < akh> (Max)
11:41 < dmacks> Wow, that's an even older version than cvs itself.
11:41 < akh> yup
11:41 < dmacks> What version of cvs ships with Tiger?
11:42 < RangerRick> 1.11.18
11:42 < dmacks> Yeesh
11:43 < akh> stable is older than that
11:43 < dmacks> People use stable?
11:44 < akh> hah
11:45 < RangerRick> ooh, looks lik -fvisibility-hidden stuff might be working in kde 3.4.2
11:45 < RangerRick> might get a nice speed boost in 3.4.2 then
11:45 < akh> Sweet!
11:45 < dmacks> Izzat like -Duck-behind-bushes or something?
11:45 < RangerRick> oh, damn
11:45 < RangerRick> doesn't work with gcc3.3 hah
11:46 < dmacks> d'oh
11:46 < RangerRick> hehe
11:46 < RangerRick> maybe when I get them working 10.4 non transitional
11:47 < akh> You've got time, then.
11:47 < RangerRick> yeah
11:48 < RangerRick> kde's still gonna be 3.3 in the initial non-trans release
11:49 < akh> heh--so you're going to add it for Tiger, then?
11:49 < akh> (and for that matter, the binary version for panther is a little dusty)
11:49 < dmacks> What about an aqua version?
11:51 < akh> dmacks:  what version of cvs do you want?
11:51 < dmacks> One that works?
11:52 < akh> Sure.  
11:52 < RangerRick> package the apple one  ;)
11:53 < akh> 1.12.12 looks like it'll build
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11:57 < dmacks> *gah* I hate that glib2 bug!
11:59 < dmacks> Wish we had a way to label packages "dist-specific" so it would be easy to use versioned depends without making ourselves insane.
11:59 < zizban> you and that glib2 bug sound like a married couple :0
11:59 < akh> dmacks: maybe a dist virtual pkg?
12:00 < dmacks> zizban: heh yeah. You can tell from all the aural sex?
12:01 < akh> dmacks:  cvs-1.12.12 works with pserver AFAICT
12:01 < zizban> heh
12:01 < dmacks> akh: Nope. I want a way to say "only consider versions in the present dist". 10.3 has glib2-2.8.0-2 10.4T has glib2-2.8.0-122; if I want to use >=whatever in pango1, I need to use different pango1 in each dist also. That sucks.
12:02 < akh> dmacks:  ah
12:03 < dmacks> (consider also the useful application to 10.3->10.4T->10.4 migrations)
12:03 < akh> yup-yup
12:03 < dmacks> akh: Sweet. I can test it on my 10.3 box if you need.
12:04 < akh> Go for it
12:04 < akh> And 10.2 can suck eggs.  ;-)
12:04 < dmacks> Yup. Where'zit at?
12:04 < akh> http://ftp.gnu.org/non-gnu/cvs/
12:05 < dmacks> Duh. I mean do you have a .info, or should I just tweak Version/Revision/MD5?
12:05 < akh> I haven't made up a .info file yet--I just tested the out-of-the box buildability
12:05 < dmacks> Ah okay.
12:05 < akh> (right out of the tarball)
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12:05 < akh> So %v-%r and MD5 should pretty much do it--unless there's additional docfiles.
12:06 < dmacks> Big tarball...will sneakernet and try it tonite.
12:06 < zizban> woot! just got my first message from the simple minds mailing list in 5 years!
12:06 < dmacks> Maybe there are more messages? I guess the mailing list is a bit slow...
12:07 < zizban> no, I just dont think their are that many simple minds fans :)
12:07 < dmacks> Ah, *that* kind of "simple minds":)
12:08 < zizban> heh yes
12:08 < zizban> :)
12:08 < akh> dmacks:  should I go ahead and commit 1.12.12 to 10.4-trans once I've got it "Finkified"?  Or should I try the technical maintainer first?
12:09 < dmacks> You could try, but I *think* we've given up on him.
12:09 < akh> IIRC, yes.
12:09 < zizban> "To all the maintainers I loved before, we've walked in and out my door..."
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12:09 < akh> It's not like the .info file is that complicated--breakage shouldn't occur.
12:10 < dmacks> Should really have a "retired contributors" section on people.php so we don't keep having to rediscuss 'em.
12:10 < zizban> good idea
12:10 < akh> yup
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12:12 < dmacks> Wow, changing a .info doesn't change the .deb until you rebuild it.
12:12 < dmacks> Whoda thunk?
12:13 < akh> ha
12:13 < zizban> amazink!
12:15 < akh> somebody who's emacs-savvy should write a "fink-mode"
12:16 < dmacks> Someone had a mostly-working one a while ago. Can't remember whom.
12:17 < zizban> I remember testing it
12:17 < zizban> but I dont remember who was, either
12:20 < akh> hmmm...the actual source URL is now similar to mirror:gnu but not identical.
12:20 < dmacks> jerwin
12:21 < zizban> yes
12:21 < zizban> jerwin
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12:32 < akh> meh--the source for cvs is going to be a bit of a PITA--it's in the non-gnu directory of the GNU mirrors.
12:32 < dmacks> Yipe
12:33 < dmacks> Is it not on cvs's own server?
12:33 < akh> They moved
12:34 < akh> Oh, wait--it's around.
12:34 < akh> I thought when they said they moved _everything_ moved.
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12:35 < akh> phew
12:36 < kito> can anyone tell me how fink handles shell scripts in packages that call #!/bin/foo ? DO you just handle that on a per package basis or...?
12:37 < akh> Yes--I believe that using /bin/foo or /usr/bin/foo is preferred to /sw/bin/foo--unless the latter is absolutely necessary.
12:39 < kito> I see, so you let it use apple provided tools unless there is explicit breakage
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12:40 < akh> When feasible--that way it works the same for everybody on a given OS.
12:40 < kito> gotcha, thanks
12:40 < akh> grrr--dmacks, the original source URL has a boatload of redirects so curl won't tolerate it.
12:41 < akh> (for cvs)
12:41 < dmacks> *ick*
12:41 < dmacks> Even with -L ?
12:41 < akh> yup
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12:42 < akh> I tried to fetch the version that's currently in unstable
12:42 < akh> same shit
12:42 < akh> I'm thinking mirror:gnu:/nongnu/%n-%v.tar.bz2 -- it works for _some_ of the GNU mirrors but not all.
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12:43 < akh> non-gnu, rather
12:43 < dmacks> Wow, curl is going ape-shit
12:43 < akh> yup
12:44 < dmacks> Ah, it's https now. Can't use that for a fink source.
12:44 < akh> yup
12:44 < dmacks> Mirror it ourselves?
12:45 < akh> It's mirrored on the GNU mirrors already.
12:45 < dmacks> Ah, /me missed when you just said that:)
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12:48 < akh> Unfortunately my idea isn't working--I guess only kernel.org had that directory structure.
12:48 < akh> ( gnu/non-gnu )
12:49 < akh> oops--brain fart.  :_(
12:50 < dmacks> Anyone seen Spundun lately?
12:50 < akh> no bots....grrr....
12:50 < dmacks> nickserv only can tell me that he was on #freenode at all a week ago.
12:52 < akh> Cool--I got it to work--it should have been mirror:gnu:non-gnu/%n/%n-%v.tar.bz2
12:52 < dmacks> That makes sense.
12:52 < akh> Yeah
12:53 < akh> forget that first %n, though...
12:57 < akh> dmacks: should I arbitrarily make the %r for Tiger -11 ?
12:57 < dmacks> Why do you need different revs?
12:57 < akh> I guess it doesn't.
12:58 < akh> no c++ in it
12:58 < dmacks> I try to keep in-sync whenever possible. Vasi tries to keep distinct revs in most cases.
12:58 < akh> ah---since my packages are simple I keep them in sync, too.
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12:59 < dmacks> He doesn't use 10.3; I run meld across the whole dist, more changes==>annoying as hell.
12:59 < akh> Right--I do have a 10.3 environment (not with me), so I can certainly cross-check
13:00  * dmacks recently learns how to have meld ignore Type, so all those -pm.info that differ only in which perls they support aren't flagged.
13:00 < akh> cool
13:01  * akh tries the new cvs under fire with an anonymous cvs selfupdate
13:01 < akh> Yay--works!
13:03 < akh> I guess I could change the maintainership...
13:03 < akh> I'll give it to fink-i18n
13:03 < akh> ;-)
13:03 < dmacks> fink-auto-logs
13:03 < akh> That's good, too.
13:04 < akh> Especially since I don't read those that often.
13:04 < akh> Or fink-commits
13:05 < dmacks> Given that auto-logs only automatically accepts posts from me and I only do admin for it...um...never, no problem:)
13:06 < akh> eh--it probably should have a human maintainer, given that whole 'security' thing.
13:07 < dmacks> dmalloc was big on security issues.
13:07 < akh> All I care is that we're faster than Apple about releasing bugfixes.
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13:09 < akh> Maybe I'll take it over and send Sylvain a message asking if it's OK.
13:09 < dmacks> Good plan.
13:09 < akh> If he wants it back, it's all his.
13:11 < dmacks> :)
13:13 < akh> There--message sent.
13:13 < akh> (and I'm still in the middle of the selfupdate so I can't commit)
13:19 < dmacks> *There's* a new excuse for the GF.
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13:20 < akh> I don't have time for a GF _and_ a wife.  ;-)
13:20 < akh> So only the latter.
13:20 < dmacks> heh
13:22 < dmacks> Maybe you need to get more grad students 'n' summer interns. Having them around *always* saves time. In theory...
13:25 < akh> bwaaaahaaahaaa!
13:27 < chris01> akh: btw, i had some email conversation with Sylvain regarding his packages.
13:27 < akh> chris01: yes?
13:28 < akh> (I'm in the middle of editing my CVS log, so I won' t commit if you say he said it's not OK)
13:28 < chris01> it was in dec 2004, and he basically said that he can't maintain any packages in the "foreseeable" future
13:28 < akh> Good enough.
13:28 < dmacks> Good to have an official answer intead of just vanishing.
13:29 < akh> yup
13:29  * akh savors the irony of checking in cvs via CVS
13:30 < lisppaste> chris01 pasted "Mail from Sylvain" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/10938
13:31 < akh> chris01:  Now that you mention it, I've read that before.
13:32 < akh> windowmaker?  does anybody still use that?
13:32 < akh> (/me reads the recent commits)
13:33 < chris01> i was trying to find this email from Sylvain in the mailing list archives, but failed.
13:35 < chris01> ahh... stupid me. i was searching dec _03_
13:35 < akh> ah
13:37 < akh> heh--just saw a package in our mailroom for somebody with the last name "Sarin"
13:38 < chris01> There we are: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.os.apple.fink.devel/9654
13:38 < akh> At least I hope it was the name and not the contents of the package...
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13:39 < akh> OK--so the new cvs is in CVS for 10.4-T.  If dmacks doesn't get to it I'll do 10.3 tonight.
13:39 < akh> (nice actually to verify the build and all)
13:41 < akh> (man that's ugly to parse.  ;-) )
13:45 < akh> mmm...new gnome-terminal warning
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13:51 < msachs> Bad meme.b9.com, no cookie.
13:51 < akh> literally "no cookie"?
13:51 < msachs> No, figurative no cookie.
13:51 < msachs> Literally, no DNS lookup.
13:52 < akh> ah
13:54 < akh> Guess we need RangerAway to upgrade _his_ logger to include a search feature--it seems to be the most reliable.
13:55 < msachs> Ranger has a logger?  Is it something I can get at?
13:55 < akh> Yeah, but I can't remember the URL.
13:55 < akh> and there's no Melian.
14:11 < akh> heh:  http://ranger.befunk.com/blog/mtc.cgi?entry_id=605 --read the second-to-last entry
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14:12 < msachs> Ah, users...
14:13 < akh> Yup.  You give and give, and they're never satisfied...
14:13 < msachs> And they don't even buy you flowers.
14:13 < akh> Which reminds me--I need to bug somebody at Debian about freetype2 errors in a package.
14:13 < msachs> What is it with things that deal with text and being annoying?
14:13 < msachs> freetype, gettext...
14:14 < akh> fontconfig
14:14 < msachs> Fonts in general...
14:14 < akh> It's because we've given up on the good old days:  fixed-width font in an 80X24 terminal.
14:14 < akh> That's the ticket.  ;-)
14:15 < akh> None of this fancy dancy cruft.
14:15 < msachs> I used to refer to X as "the thing that lets me have more terminals open", although that's changed a bit since I've moved off Linux.
14:16 < akh> Heh
14:18 < akh> Anybody want to buy me a ~50 gig bus-powered Firewire drive so that I can build Panther stuff on the train?  Anyone?
14:20 < akh> I guess $2.50/gig isn't _that_ much.
14:20 < akh> (though that's for lower RPM drives)
14:22 < dmacks> I'm confused, akh, you want to use the bus but take a train?
14:22 < akh> hah
14:23 < msachs> It took me a while to realize that you weren't talking about a build train (a fleet of machines set up as builders.)
14:23 < akh> Just an external HD I can boot, and that doesn't need an outlet.
14:23 < akh> (hopefully that was clearer. ;-) )
14:24 < akh> boot from, that is.
14:24  * akh is drooling over a 7200 RPM 60GB drive, but it's very pricy.
14:27 < akh> And, yeah, I could buy an enclosure and a notebook drive to build it myself, but it's worth my time not to have to.
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14:28 < dmacks> For the price of a coupla beers (literally) couldn't you find some undergrad nerd there to do it for you?
14:30 < dmacks> One college had a bunch of undergrads set up a table on the street during first week of the school year with a roll of cat5 and a crimper selling custom ethernet cables. Made a small fortune.
14:31 < akh> Cool.  Maybe I should suggest that as a fundraiser for our project.
14:31 < akh> We even have shielded cable and ends...
14:31 < akh> And the nearest Staples is over by Harvard...
14:32  * akh ponders.
14:33 < akh> Maybe not:  the kids today like wireless everything.
14:33 < dmacks> What kid these days couldn't resist spending some of the 'rent's money to be able to start checking email, downloading pr0n, and sharing itunes the moment he walks into his dorm room?
14:33 < akh> Yeah--but I think all the dorms here have wireless.
14:34 < akh> Maybe not
14:34 < dmacks> You work in a physics department and yuo can't find any emf shielding?
14:36 < dmacks> "yeah, the roof leaks, so we need to protect the sensitive network equipment"
14:39 < akh> Crap--guess they don't support Safari anymore.
14:42 < akh> grrr
15:17 < dmacks> 'gnome-about.c:1211: warning: statement with no effect'
15:17  * dmacks should make stickers and pass them out at next staff meeting.
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15:54 < dmacks> Is there any way to query a .dylib that has undefined symbols and find out what lib it expects to define them?
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17:01 < akh> hmmm--somebody wanted runtime dependencies to be installed _after_ the packages that depend on them.
17:02 < akh> I guess that's logically OK as long as the buildtime stuff is installed, but....
17:02 < akh> (i.e. if we had separate buildtime and runtime engine bits)
17:03 < akh> I don't think 0.24.9 supports THAT!
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17:23 < drm> msachs: do you understand file locking?
17:24 < msachs> drm: Somewhat.  What's up?
17:24 < drm> well, i'm trying to compile dpkg (as myself, not as nobody or as root) and
17:24 < drm> sorry, it compiled ok, just doesn't run because
17:25 < drm> a fcntl call in the code is returning "Operation not supported" (at least, i think that's the cause of the error)
17:25 < drm> wondering if this could be an afp thing?
17:25 < msachs> fcntl with what value for cmd?
17:25 < drm> (since the volume in question is mounted afp)
17:26 < drm> ok, 
17:26 < drm> don't understand it, but here it is:
17:26 < drm> fcntl(dblockfd,F_SETLK,&fl)
17:26 < drm> i can tell you about &fl too
17:27 < drm> start is 0, len is 0, whence is SEEK_SET and type is F_WRLCK
17:27 < msachs> I wonder if it'd work if you changed it to use flock.
17:27 < drm> i can try
17:27 < msachs> e.g. flock(dblockfd, LOCK_EX);
17:28 < drm> i guess i have to change the unlock call too?
17:28  * drm is fairly ignorant about all of this
17:28 < msachs> What's the value of fl.l_type ?
17:28 < drm> F_WRLCK
17:29 < msachs> Okay, so then you want to replace the fcntl(...F_SETLK...) with flock(dblockfd, LOCK_EX)
17:29 < msachs> and then later there's a call to fcntl(...F_SETLK...) where fl.l_type == F_UNLCK.
17:29 < msachs> Replace that with flock(dblockfd, LOCK_UN)
17:29 < drm> gotcha
17:29 < drm> just curious, though, why this works for root and nobody?
17:30 < drm> or am i right that its the filesystem?
17:30 < drm> msachs: BTW, the includes are the same? have #include <fcntl.h> now
17:31 < msachs> Let me poke the kernel...
17:31 < msachs> flock(2) says to #include <sys/file.h>
17:31 < drm> ok, that's in there
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17:38 < msachs> Yeah, I dunno, someone on #opendarwin might.
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17:45 < drm> moment of truth is approaching
17:46 < drm> ah
17:46 < drm> that fixed the problem, letting us get through to the next problem :)
17:47 < msachs> It is doing something potentially different.
17:47 < msachs> The fcntl version can lock specific byte ranges.
17:49 < drm> no, a completely different failure
17:49 < drm> this time it fails to link
17:49 < msachs> Ah, what error?
17:49 < drm> Operation not supported
17:49 < drm> what else :)
17:50 < drm> link(filename,oldfn)
17:50 < drm> looks pretty generic
17:51 < msachs> Does it work if you try it as non-root on non-AFP?
17:52 < drm> i don't think i have write access to a non-afp directory on this machine
17:52 < drm> i guess i could plug in my memory stick
17:52 < drm> but who knows what filesystem is on that!
17:54 < msachs> Probably fat.
17:54 < msachs> Well, I just did ln -s foo bar on AFP, and it worked.
17:54 < msachs> So AFP does support symlinks.
17:54 < msachs> So maybe it's a permissions issue?
17:55 < drm> but i own the files
17:55 < drm> and the directory
17:55 < drm> although afp permssions are slightly strange as i recall
17:55 < msachs> How did you mount the volume?
17:55 < msachs> Oh, maybe -- do Get Info on the volume in finder, maybe permissions are turned off.
17:56 < msachs> Although we don't seem to support that for AFP, duh.
17:56 < drm> yeah... its mounted over the network, i'm not sure where i should use getinfo
17:56 < msachs> Yes, "Disable Permissions" on a remote volume would be a bad feature :)
17:57 < drm> it says "you can read and write" on my home directory
17:58 < drm> well, i can't make symlinks at all on my memory stick
17:59 < drm> ok, enough time wasted for today, will try again some other day
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20:56 < Austin> can anyone answer questions about installing aalib?
20:57 < Austin> I'm installing aalib via fink (I figured this would be a good place to go fro help) and my terminal screen is filling with page after page of "rm-f" commands. The installation seems to be taking longer htan it should. Is this normal?
20:57 < Austin> running mac os x 10.3
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20:59 < zizban> install varies
20:59 < zizban> as long as it barf and fail, your fine
20:59 < zizban> as it doesn't
21:00 < Austin> what do you mean "barf and fail"
21:01 < zizban> as long as it doesn't end with a "cannot build" build failure, etc, you are fine
21:01 < Austin> ok
21:03 < zizban> you'll know it when you see it
21:03 < Austin> Can I get an estimation of what would be a long install tiem
21:06 < zizban> depends on your computer/os/ram/other factors
21:06 < zizban> what are you installing?
21:08 < zizban> ah I see
21:13 < Austin> sorry, I'm new to IRC (obviously) and forgot there were no sound alerts for new messages
21:14 < Austin> 533 Mhz G4/OSX10.3.9/768MB
21:14 < Austin> install aalib
21:14 < zizban> well you can have sounds if you use, I think, Colloqy
21:14 < Austin> yea that's what I'm using and what i'm about do
21:16 < zizban> Your computer is a little, shall we saw, low end, so compiles will take a little longer
21:16  * zizban wonders how long it would take on his box
21:16 < Austin> haha, well
21:16 < Austin> new powerbook as soon as they get an intel chip in there
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21:17 < zizban> gag, I mean, er, cool :)
21:18 < Austin> I'm no fan either, but it that's the new architecture, that's the new architecture
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21:19 < zizban> true
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21:25 < Austin> all right well I've gotten the reassurance I needed. I'll check on it after some Reno 911. Thanks for the help zizban.
21:25 < zizban> no problem
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22:14 < dk0r> Is it possible to bind a command + x combination to force quit an application?
22:15 < dk0r> I looked through keyboard shortcuts on system prefs and did not find anything
22:15  * dk0r shrugs
22:20 < zizban> I dont think so
22:20 < dk0r> that sucks.
22:21 < dk0r> Im sick of opening force quit, then having to click force quit, then having to click yes.
22:21  * dk0r deletes automater from his applications folder
22:21  * dk0r sighs
22:22 < zizban> you can right click on on a frozen item in the dock to force quit
22:23 < zizban> or option click
22:23 < dk0r> no..
22:23 < dk0r> cntrl click only gives quit option
22:23 < dk0r> option click hides app
22:24 < zizban> I just tried it and got force quit option
22:25 < dk0r> cntrl?
22:25 < dk0r> or option?
22:25  * dk0r waits...
22:25 < zizban> to the left of the apple key
22:25 < zizban> option rclick
22:26 < dk0r> yes...
22:26 < zizban> when I option click on a dock icon I get a menu
22:26 < zizban> and one of them is force quit
22:26 < dk0r> 10.4?
22:26 < zizban> yes
22:27 < dk0r> All that happens for me is the app is then hidden
22:27 < dk0r> same effect as command+h
22:27 < zizban> so bring up the dock
22:27 < dk0r> ?
22:27 < zizban> press option then click on an icon
22:27 < dk0r> ....
22:27 < dk0r> All that happens for me is the app is then hidden
22:28 < dk0r> same effect as command+h
22:28 < zizban> press option then click on an icon with the mouse
22:28 < dk0r> All that happens for me is the app is then hidden
22:28 < dk0r> same effect as command+h
22:28 < dk0r> comprehend?
22:28 < zizban> its you...both me and my wife here can do it
22:28 < dk0r> hrm.. maybe
22:29 < dk0r> between shape shifter and the translucent dock apps, it probably screwed w/ something.
22:29 < zizban> yepper
22:29 < dk0r> transparentdock*
22:30 < dk0r> did you get toast76 yet?
22:30 < dk0r> toast7?
22:30 < zizban> haxies and stuff like it will do these kinds of things
22:30 < zizban> nah, I use Firestarter
22:30 < dk0r> ?
22:30  * dk0r looks
22:30 < dk0r> shareware?
22:30 < zizban> freeware
22:30 < dk0r> what fun is that?
22:31 < zizban> umm, it works?
22:31 < zizban> http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/11417
22:31 < dk0r> so does toast?
22:31 < dk0r> and disk utility
22:31 < dk0r> 3 of 5 out of 33 on macupdate. eh
22:32 < dk0r> what kind mac ya got?
22:32 < dk0r> use fink?
22:32 < dk0r> btw, macupdate is cool.
22:33 < zizban> dual 1 ghz G4
22:33 < zizban> I am a fink maintainer and on the doc team
22:34 < dk0r> 17" pb 1.5
22:34 < zizban> cool
22:34 < dk0r> heh. coolness
22:34 < dk0r> #fink rocks
22:34 < dk0r> best mac support out there
22:34 < dk0r> regarding non fink related issues :)
22:36 < dk0r> nite.
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