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Check the FAQ: http://fink.sf.net/faq || Latest Installers: 0.6.4 (10.2), 0.7.2 (10.3), 0.8.0 (10.4) || Fink 0.24.10: Cameloparadalis 14:28 -!- Topic set by akh [] [Thu Aug 25 11:00:59 2005] 14:28 [Users #fink] 14:28 [ Airo ] [ Clef ] [ gzl ] [ knghtbrd] [ pnorman ] [ usata ] 14:28 [ akh ] [ cmeme ] [ htodd ] [ KraMer ] [ pogma ] [ zizban] 14:28 [ armenb ] [ eno-away ] [ jack- ] [ mcp ] [ RangerRick] [ zorton] 14:28 [ bbraun ] [ Erik____ ] [ JosephSpiros] [ mee_bot ] [ ringerc ] 14:28 [ BleedAway ] [ Fang ] [ jtyler_ ] [ Melian ] [ runelind ] 14:28 [ chris01 ] [ gecko2 ] [ kane-xs ] [ muesli ] [ shreyas ] 14:28 [ cianhughes] [ gopherd ] [ kbroderick ] [ Murr ] [ sid77_ ] 14:28 [ cirdan ] [ grub_booter] [ kito ] [ newmanbe] [ swix ] 14:28 -!- Irssi: #fink: Total of 43 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 43 normal] 14:28 -!- Channel #fink created Sun Aug 3 18:57:20 2003 14:28 -!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has joined #fink 14:28 -!- Irssi: Join to #fink was synced in 36 secs 14:30 -!- Snaggle [n=nieder@128.252.206.171] has joined #fink 14:31 * akh enjoys using cvs to check in the cvs.info file. 14:34 < chris01> akh: check out http://wiki.opendarwin.org/index.php/Fink and http://wiki.opendarwin.org/index.php/GCC 14:35 < chris01> akh: one thing i am not sure about: shouldn't the link to /GCC be something like /Fink/GCC or /Fink_GCC ? 14:35 < akh> chris01: Probably. I have a MediaWiki testbed here, so let's see how newmanbe did it when he copied an earlier version. 14:36 < chris01> oh right... forgot about that one. 14:36 < chris01> what was the link there? 14:37 < akh> http://ldx3.psfc.mit.edu/~hansen/mediawiki/ 14:37 < akh> But it looks like it's the same way--the pages are flat rather than hierarchical. 14:43 < akh> *grumble* 14:51 -!- cianhughes [n=cian@cian.ws] has quit [Client Quit] 14:51 < akh> OK--gotta "Pantherize" (so my homedir will changes). 14:51 < akh> change 14:52 < akh> biab 14:54 -!- akh [n=akhansen@ldx3.psfc.mit.edu] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:54 < zizban> ditto 14:54 -!- zizban [n=Chris@pool-141-154-151-219.wma.east.verizon.net] has quit ["e=mc2...galaxies in the void of space...I'm hungry!"] 14:55 < RangerRick> so I've been fighting xml import in perl for like a week 14:55 < RangerRick> I was reading the xml file in, and then running an xml parser over it 14:55 < RangerRick> and it kept turning latin1 characters into incorrect utf8 stuff 14:55 < RangerRick> I changed my code to tell the xml parser to parse the file directly, rather than reading it into a string first 14:55 < RangerRick> and now it magically works 14:55 < RangerRick> @&#*$&*&! 14:56 < RangerRick> stupid utf8 crap 14:56 < RangerRick> There's More Than One Way To Screw It 14:59 < RangerRick> http://cellar.org/iotd.php 14:59 -!- akh [n=akhansen@ldx3.psfc.mit.edu] has joined #fink 15:00 * akh feels so behind the times now that I'm on Panther. 15:01 -!- dsias [n=dsias@adsl-068-153-207-210.sip.bct.bellsouth.net] has joined #fink 15:02 < akh> Of course, the fact that I'm a bit lagged due to being on an external drive doesn't help. 15:17 < chris01> akh: we probably should have a link back to the Fink wiki homepage on all our wiki pages on opendarwin. 15:17 < akh> Agreed--otherwise navigation will get nasty. 15:17 < chris01> yup 15:18 < akh> I guess the only major concern is overlap with a pre-existing page. 15:18 < akh> But that's easy enough to deal with, I guess. 15:19 < chris01> yes 15:19 < chris01> Shall we go ahead as it is done with the GCC page? 15:19 < akh> I don't see a reason why not. 15:21 < chris01> ok 15:21 < akh> And if people complain about the flat web structure, there's nothing _I_ can do to fix it. ;-) 15:21 < chris01> will work on a couple of more pages 15:21 < akh> Cool. If newmanbe shows up he could probably be talked into copying more stuff--since he did it once already. 15:23 < akh> If I were motivated and knew Perl I'd come up with a textile -> Fink XML converter script. 15:23 < pogma> akh: Yay! OD wiki pages, good work! 15:24 < bbraun> you want .info files in xml? 15:24 < akh> pogma: Thanks. 15:24 < bbraun> I'd be all about that. 15:24 < akh> bbraun: For the fink doc source. 15:24 < bbraun> oh... 15:24 -!- regeya [n=shane@adsl-sp3-cdale176.micgi.com] has joined #fink 15:24 < akh> But people have been talking about XMLish .info files, I believe. 15:25 < pogma> bbraun: Heh, fink info files in XML? Possible, you need to talk to vasi and dmacks though 15:25 < bbraun> that would be phase 1 of my plans. phase 2 would be swapping in xar for dpkg and putting the .info file as a xar subdoc. ;-) 15:27 < pogma> didn't realize that xar was there yet. 15:27 < akh> Why xar vs. dpkg ? 15:27 < pogma> akh: cause bbraun wrote one and not the other :) 15:28 < akh> Makes sense. :-) 15:28 < pogma> also, we hack the heck out of dpkg 15:28 < akh> Yeah, that'd be a drawback. 15:28 < akh> Why not go back to stow? 15:28 < akh> ;-) 15:30 < pogma> akh: xar has the potential to be much cooler than dpkg 15:31 < akh> Nice. And people would stop asking "can i install Debian Linux packages with Fink?" 15:31 < pogma> nah, people will still find stupid questions to ask :) 15:32 < pogma> beer break, back in 5 15:32 * akh is thirsty now. Stupid US timezones 15:33 < akh> (and the fact that the campus pub doesn't open until 16:00) 15:34 * akh misses my grad school days--go to the Student Union at noon, split a pitcher or two, and then be thoroughly unproductive in the afternoon. ;-) 15:42 < chris01> akh: did you remove the mediawiki pages from your machine? I can't seem to access any pages from http://ldx3.psfc.mit.edu/~hansen/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page 15:42 -!- ringerc [n=craig@dsl-202-72-144-62.wa.westnet.com.au] has quit ["Whoops, someone let the magic smoke out!"] 15:42 < chris01> aha, no, it seems to be no longer installed 15:43 < akh> chris01: I rebooted to a different drive. 15:44 < Snaggle> akh: do subscriptions to fink lists have to be approved by a person? I'm not getting the error message that I was getting last night, but I'm not getting any response either besides the automated confirm request 15:44 < akh> Snaggle: Not normally. 15:45 -!- auslander [n=tanks@183.85.63.81.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #fink 15:45 < Snaggle> sigh 15:45 < chris01> akh: ok, no problem. 15:45 < pogma> Snaggle: what is the problem? 15:45 < chris01> akh: how do you like the links to the main page on http://wiki.opendarwin.org/index.php/GCC ? 15:46 < akh> chris01: Good--but maybe call it "Fink wiki main page" to avoid confusion with the "real" fink main page. 15:47 < chris01> ah.. right. That's better. 15:47 < Snaggle> pogma: I got a new domain a couple days ago and was transferring my fink lists subscriptions to an address there. SF bounced me w/ an error saying that the domain did not have a postmaster@ address and would not subscribe me... 15:48 < Snaggle> I fixed the postmaster@ error and tried to resubscribe, but SF kept giving the same error but it was saying that it was using the result of the earlier verification... 15:48 < pogma> sounds like sf.net support request time 15:49 < Snaggle> Now when I try to subscribe, I get the confirm request like last time, but rather than getting an error in response from SF I get nothing 15:49 < pogma> what list? and what address do you want to be sunscribed as? 15:50 -!- auslander is now known as alejo 15:50 < Snaggle> beginners, users, and devel with fink at snaggledworks.com 15:51 -!- dsias [n=dsias@adsl-068-153-207-210.sip.bct.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 15:53 < pogma> -beginners, at least shows you subscribed 15:53 < Snaggle> really? 15:54 < Snaggle> that's good. I guess it's just succeeding silently now... 15:54 * Snaggle waits for someone to post about using Debian linux packages with Fink 15:55 < pogma> not -devel though, did you reply to all the confirmation mails? 15:55 < Snaggle> yay! finally got a welcome from -beginners 15:55 < pogma> just subscribed you to -devel 15:56 < Snaggle> got that too 15:56 < Snaggle> thanks 15:56 < pogma> you're on your own now then :) 15:56 * Snaggle thwacks SF with a pogo stick 15:58 < chris01> Anybody familiar with MediaWiki? The first list should be numbered (only top level) on http://wiki.opendarwin.org/index.php/The_10.4_tree 15:58 -!- shreyas_ [n=sshreyas@59.92.134.23] has joined #fink 16:01 < akh> chris01: use '#' for a numbered list. 16:02 < chris01> akh: yes, but that doesn't work with the bulleted items inside a # tag 16:02 < chris01> or at least it didn't work right away as i tried it. 16:02 < akh> ## ? 16:04 < akh> biab--rebooting (and that way my mediawiki test site will be up) 16:04 -!- akh [n=akhansen@ldx3.psfc.mit.edu] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:06 -!- Snaggle [n=nieder@128.252.206.171] has left #fink ["Leaving"] 16:08 -!- shreyas [n=sshreyas@59.92.128.59] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:09 -!- akh [n=akhansen@ldx3.psfc.mit.edu] has joined #fink 16:10 -!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has quit ["Common Lisp IRC library - http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-irc"] 16:10 -!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has joined #fink 16:10 < akh> phew! Back on Tiger. 16:11 < akh> chris01: the mediawiki site _shoutd_ be back up. 16:11 < akh> should 16:13 < cirdan> yo 16:13 < akh> hey 16:13 < akh> umm...who's been leaking SPAM? 16:15 < pogma> not I 16:16 < akh> Cyrillic characters are a bit of a giveaway. ;-) 16:17 < akh> Urgh--my mit.edu account needs to learn that "eBay Safe Harbour" is a phisher. 16:18 < akh> It's been good about capturing a lot of the spam but this one seems to have eluded the filter. 16:33 -!- shreyas [n=sshreyas@59.92.133.58] has joined #fink 16:36 < akh> ugh--they're spamming the -admin addresses now. 16:36 < akh> !alicekill spammers 16:36 < Melian> I want to kill spammers, I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill spammers. Kill. I wanna see spammers's blood and gore and guts and have spammers's veins in my teeth. Eat spammers's dead burnt body. I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL! and I jump around with akh, yelling "KILL, KILL" 16:37 -!- shreyas is now known as shres 16:38 < akh> That'll do. Thanks, Melian. 16:39 -!- Fang [n=Fang@2002:53c5:c168:1:0:0:0:1] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:42 -!- mGiff [n=mGiff@ottawa-hs-64-26-170-194.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #fink 16:42 -!- mGiff [n=mGiff@ottawa-hs-64-26-170-194.d-ip.magma.ca] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:43 -!- shreyas_ [n=sshreyas@59.92.134.23] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:07 < chris01> akh: most of the *top level* pages are now ported to the new wiki (expect gnome) 17:18 < runelind> * NewOrleans has quit IRC (Excess Flood) 17:18 < runelind> hehehehe 17:26 < Murr> ouch 17:27 < runelind> indeed 17:27 < RangerRick> anyone remember how to put a raw [ in mediawiki? 17:32 < RangerRick> instead of putting all the "back to fink" links, you could add a gcategory 17:32 < RangerRick> Category: Fink 17:33 < chris01> RangerRick: that makes sense. Didn't know about the category stuff. 17:33 < chris01> Unfortunately my Fink Time (tm) is over today... :( 17:33 < chris01> so, if you feel like changing it, that would be great. 17:33 < RangerRick> yeah, I can mess with it some 17:34 < chris01> also, the gnome page is still not moved. 17:37 < Murr> hmm, I wonder how accurate the GasPriceWatch widget really is 17:37 < Murr> they list regular in the 70130 ZIP code as $2.30 17:41 * akh should download that 17:46 < akh> Murr: The price for the station near where I live is right--but I'm pretty sure the one nearest my work isn't. 17:47 -!- chris01 [n=chris01@212.126.165.246] has quit ["bye"] 17:48 -!- cirdan [n=chris@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has quit ["leaving"] 17:48 < Murr> and the price for teh 70130 ZIP code definitely isn't 17:49 < akh> Maybe there's some stations that haven't updated skewing the resutls. 17:49 < akh> results. 17:50 < Murr> point is that noe of the stations in that ZIP code are likely to be operational at all 17:51 < akh> Ah--bit slow on the uptake here. ;-) 17:52 < akh> (And I didn't use the USPS Zip verifier widget) 17:52 < akh> Guess the price could be the same even if the available quantity is 0. :-) 17:52 < Murr> same for Biloxi, Miss. 17:53 < Murr> I would think that some stations there are operationsal 17:53 < Murr> but prices listed are around $2.40 17:54 * RangerRick is updating the gnome wiki page 17:54 < akh> Whomever does the price reporting must be otherwise occupied. 17:54 < akh> RangerRick: Cool. 17:57 < akh> hmm...I didn't realize that I didn't have bundle-kde installed. Just when I think I'm out they drag me right back in... 17:58 < Murr> hah 17:58 < Murr> dept of false hopes 17:59 < akh> At least I've built the most nasty, time-consuming parts of it. 17:59 < Murr> I read "Australian Science Makes the Regenerating Mouse" and was hoping for a Mouse that could reverse my RSI 17:59 < Murr> instead it's just a stoopid rodent with superpowers 17:59 < akh> D'oh! 17:59 < akh> That would have been a huge seller, too. 17:59 < Murr> they better keep a good eye for those, building traps might be difficult 18:00 < Murr> I'm imagining a Mouse like the X-Man Wolverine 18:00 < Murr> Trap breaks its neck, it crawls out & regenerates 18:02 -!- cirdan [n=chris@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #fink 18:02 < akh> And they definitely should avoid the adamantium skeletons on those. ;-) 18:02 -!- cirdan [n=chris@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:02 < Murr> actually there ARE scarier thoughts 18:03 < Murr> the Pyro mouse, e.g. 18:03 -!- cirdan [n=chris@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #fink 18:03 < akh> Yup. 18:03 -!- cirdan [n=chris@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:03 < Murr> or the Rogue mouse 18:03 -!- cirdan [n=chris@pcp04356153pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #fink 18:03 < Murr> regenerates by sapping someone's life energy 18:04 < akh> That'd suck for the cat. :-) 18:06 < Murr> cats would have tons of fun with Bightcrawler mice 18:06 < Murr> sure, they'd never catch one, but hunting them would keep them busy forever 18:07 < akh> heh 18:08 -!- zizban [n=Chris@pool-141-154-151-219.wma.east.verizon.net] has joined #fink 18:10 < Murr> ah no, I think it's Toad mice I'm thinking of 18:28 -!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has quit ["Common Lisp IRC library - http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-irc"] 18:28 -!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has joined #fink 18:41 * akh wonders where all the n00bs are. Back in school or something? 18:42 < zizban> around here, yes 18:42 < zizban> started today and tomorrow 18:46 < gecko2> how can i force a complete rebuild of override.db, proxies.db and the shlibs.db ? 18:48 < akh> gecko2: From a HEAD fink possibly 'fink index --full' 18:48 < gecko2> not realy 18:48 < akh> I wasn't sure. 18:48 < gecko2> i moved the old one in an other folder 18:49 < gecko2> but a --full didn't created them 18:49 < akh> hmm 18:49 < gecko2> a full oly created the finkinfodb and the index.db 18:49 < gecko2> only* 18:51 < gecko2> (0.24.99.cvs-20050831.132) 18:52 < akh> hmm...I don't even have a shlibs.db anywhere. I've got finkinfodb, index.db, and override.db (0.24.99.cvs-20050901.1842) 18:53 < gecko2> hmm, or is the shlibs.db an old now unused part of fink? 18:54 < gecko2> -rw-r--r-- 1 root fink 41600 29 Aug 06:56 shlibs.db <-- well the lastchange date isn't very old 18:54 < gecko2> -rw-r--r-- 1 root fink 2447805 31 Aug 13:27 proxies.db <-- same here 18:54 < gecko2> except that the use of the proxies.db isn't realy clear on the first view 18:54 < gecko2> really* 18:55 * gecko2 looks in the changelog 19:00 < gecko2> ahhhhh 19:01 < gecko2> 2005-08-26: * Shlibs.pm: Don't use a DB, since it the shlibs list needs to be regenerated so often (every time a package is installed or removed!). Instead re-generate on demand, like Fink::Status. 19:01 < gecko2> yea, but a --full should make the demand 19:02 < gecko2> but it looks like, that it doesn't do that 19:02 * akh thought I lost my -shlibs stuff for a minute there. ;-) 19:02 < gecko2> hm, looks like the -full command isn't complete yet =) 19:03 < akh> I'm not too surprised. 19:03 < gecko2> hehe 19:04 < gecko2> well, now for what is the proxies.db file for? =) 19:04 * gecko2 starts searching the fink source =) 19:08 * zizban wonders if he'll regret scheduling two appoints in east longmeadow on the same day 19:08 < akh> Probably. 19:08 < zizban> its only 60 miles from my office 19:08 < zizban> :P 19:09 < akh> Are they close together in time? 19:10 -!- shres [n=sshreyas@59.92.133.58] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 19:10 < akh> It would be bad if you had to do it twice in one day. 19:10 < zizban> 2 hours apart but I space them out because I have to actually my way to both 19:10 < zizban> find my way 19:11 -!- dmacks [n=dmacks@netspace.org] has joined #fink 19:11 < akh> Probably about as good as you can get, then. 19:11 * zizban is looking forward to a fun day in east longmeadow 19:11 < zizban> yepper 19:11 < akh> Is there such a thing? :-) 19:12 < dmacks> akh: I think we're fully mirgated to wiki@od 19:12 < zizban> heh 19:12 < akh> dmacks: cool. 19:12 < dmacks> We're also mi_gr_ated. 19:12 -!- alejo [n=tanks@183.85.63.81.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [] 19:12 < akh> Also cool. ;-) 19:12 < dmacks> You agree, RangerRick? 19:15 < dmacks> Is this thing official and stable enough to be linked from Fink@SF? 19:16 < zizban> that's two different things 19:16 < zizban> official AND stable 19:16 < zizban> :) 19:16 < dmacks> Yup:) We need both. Although "at least as stable as the rest of fink's web services" isn't much of a hurdle:( 19:16 < zizban> heh 19:17 * akh is playing with the numbering/bulleting on the 10.4 Tree page. 19:17 < RangerRick> dmacks: I think so, yeah 19:18 < dmacks> akh: Is fun, no? 19:18 < akh> dmacks: not too bad--I figured it out pretty quickly. 19:18 < dmacks> Faster than I figured out tables and heading/TOC issues prolly. 19:19 -!- chris01 [n=chris01@84-73-56-45.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #fink 19:21 -!- dmacks [n=dmacks@pdpc/supporter/active/dmacks] has quit ["leaving"] 19:23 < akh> chris01: Check out the new http://wiki.opendarwin.org/index.php/The_10.4_tree 19:24 < akh> (I figured out how to nest bullets inside the numbered list) 19:24 < chris01> akh: wow! I am impressed! 19:24 < akh> #* and #** did the trick 19:24 < chris01> i see 19:25 < akh> I guess it's all migrated now. 19:26 < chris01> that was pretty quick... 19:27 < akh> RangerRick must have had a slow day at work--I didn't do anything myself. 19:27 < RangerRick> I only did gnome, and added the categories to all the paages 19:27 < RangerRick> vim did the heavy lifting of translating the tables from the other wiki format :) 19:27 < akh> heh 19:28 < akh> We probably need to put in the back-links like chris01 did for the 10.4 tree page. 19:28 < akh> Silly nonhierarchical wiki. ;-) 19:28 < RangerRick> well, I made category:Fink redirect to the main fink page 19:28 < RangerRick> so anything with category7:fink in it will have a backlink 19:28 < akh> Ah 19:28 < RangerRick> Category:Fink that is 19:28 < RangerRick> although that doesn't give one at the top, I suppose... 19:29 < akh> Can't have too many links back, IMO 19:29 < akh> Since I know who's going to get flak about it. 19:31 < zizban> you? 19:31 < akh> Most likely, yes. 19:32 < RangerRick> :) 19:32 * RangerRick is asking on the mediawiki page if there's a template link to put the category list at the top too 19:32 < RangerRick> s/page/channel/ 19:32 < akh> cool 19:39 < cirdan> yoyo 19:39 < cirdan> hey RangerRick 19:39 < RangerRick> howdy cirdan 19:41 * akh likes the section edit stuff. 19:41 < cirdan> anyone good at regexes? 19:41 < cirdan> or even ok? 19:42 -!- vasi [n=dvasil3@132.206.71.39] has joined #fink 19:42 < Airo> I know something 19:42 < Airo> Canät promise anything 19:42 < Airo> can't even 19:42 < cirdan> vasi. 19:43 < cirdan> ever use mp3/media rage? 19:43 < Airo> jope 19:43 < Airo> nope :) 19:43 < Airo> Typoing a lot tho 19:43 < cirdan> heh 19:43 < cirdan> mediarage can use a regex to parse a filename and make media tags 19:44 < cirdan> HP1_Dsc_02_Trk_01.mp3 is such a filename 19:44 < Airo> ok 19:44 < cirdan> i need a regex for it... 19:45 < Airo> There are some really good manuals for it 19:45 < cirdan> then i can have $#=$3 for the disc # and so on 19:46 < Airo> but like /(.*)_(.*)_(.*)/ 19:46 < Airo> And then you good relate to them with \0 \1 and \2 etc 19:46 < cirdan> it uses the PCRE regex engine, or something like that 19:47 < Airo> I think I always used this http://www.regular-expressions.info/ 19:47 < Airo> Then that's a good one 19:47 < cirdan> ah 19:47 < cirdan> hmm 19:47 < Airo> There's all you need, me thinks 19:50 < RangerRick> /^(.+?)_(.+?)_(\d+)_(.+?)_(\d+).mp3$/ 19:50 < vasi> cirdan, if you already have metadata for something (ie: ID3 tags) that's usually the best way to do things :-) 19:50 < vasi> akh, thanks for keeping the wiki going :-) 19:50 < RangerRick> yeah 19:50 < cirdan> vasi: there is no metadata, i wanna automate adding it 19:50 * RangerRick would love to move the documentation to it, really 19:51 < cirdan> there's like 1k files 19:51 < akh> vasi: No problem. 19:51 < Airo> was .+? many chars or 0-1? 19:51 < cirdan> RangerRick: no more need for the faq anyway :-) 19:51 < RangerRick> would be really nice to document each of the Fields: and have them show in the category list, be searchable, etc. 19:51 * cirdan usually doesn't like wiki's though 19:51 < akh> For now we can stick to having the two be separate. 19:52 < RangerRick> I didn't used to 19:52 < RangerRick> but I'm really learning to like them the more I use them 19:52 < RangerRick> perfect for community stuff 19:52 < zizban> yepper 19:52 < vasi> .+? is one or more characters, preferably less 19:52 * akh started one for work--we use it to upload files that go over the mail server limit. 19:52 < vasi> akh, is the gnome page gonna be movable though? 19:53 < akh> vasi: In what sense? 19:53 < chris01> akh: we are still missing the incremental indexing page in the new wiki. I am moving it right now. 19:53 < vasi> oh wow, you already managed it, i'm impressed 19:53 < cirdan> hehe 19:53 < RangerRick> akh: at work we use ours for all kinds of stuff, requirements docs, tracking projects, etc. 19:53 < vasi> heh, that's a silly way to use a wiki 19:54 < akh> We do other stuff too--I have a hierarchical tasklist (which really needs updating). 19:54 < RangerRick> it's nice because anyone can add their comments/etc a project doc without lots of "oh, you have the old version of the word doc" 19:54 < akh> Yup 19:55 < vasi> hey cirdan, weren't you working on a new bug tracking system? 19:55 < cirdan> yeah 19:55 < cirdan> fink.sf.net/bugs 19:55 < akh> RangerRick: especially when people don't do revision control. 19:55 < cirdan> cmdline interface too 19:55 < vasi> the SF.net trackers are really annoying 19:55 < vasi> yeah, wiki's great for that kinda stuff 19:55 < cirdan> yup 19:56 < vasi> oh it's the debian thing? 19:56 < cirdan> yeah\ 19:56 < cirdan> it's 97% ready 19:56 -!- sid77_ [n=sid77@host-84-222-61-218.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has left #fink ["http://slackintosh.workaround.ch/"] 19:56 -!- auslander [n=tanks@84-72-230-241.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #fink 19:57 < vasi> alright i've got class, see y'all later 19:57 -!- vasi [n=dvasil3@132.206.71.39] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:57 < chris01> akh: any other pages missing? 19:57 -!- zizban [n=Chris@pool-141-154-151-219.wma.east.verizon.net] has quit ["e=mc2...galaxies in the void of space...I'm hungry!"] 19:57 < akh> I'm not sure. 19:59 * akh added a page for people to put their requests for documentation: http://wiki.opendarwin.org/index.php/Documentation_Jottings 20:01 < akh> chris01: I think that's it--that looks like the only relevant page that wasn't on the top-level 20:03 < akh> Hmm: http://ct.zdnet.com.com/clicks?c=417747-1393310&brand=zdnet&ds=5&fs=0 20:04 < akh> (Looks like MA is going to OpenDocument for records) 20:05 < akh> I wonder if I could start refusing MS Office attachments... 20:05 < akh> ;-) 20:06 < akh> (unfortunately MIT isn't a state school, so I probably can't) 20:06 < cirdan> hehe 20:07 < cirdan> do it anyway 20:07 < cirdan> require all .bz2 latex docs ;-) 20:07 < RangerRick> got some help on making templates 20:07 < RangerRick> you just add "[[Fink|Fink wiki main page]] 20:07 < RangerRick> erp 20:07 < RangerRick> add "{{Fink_Header}}" to the top and bottom of the page 20:07 -!- Amgine [n=Amgine@S0106000d93cb35a5.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #Fink 20:08 < akh> cirdan: A good number of the docs I get _are_ tex files already (generally uncompressed) 20:08 < cirdan> :-) 20:08 < cirdan> nice! 20:08 < akh> But /me got flak for posting a gzipped tar archive on the Wiki because our Windows machines couldn't open it. 20:08 < cirdan> hah 20:08 < cirdan> winrar can 20:09 < akh> Yeah--nobody installed it. 20:09 < akh> And I'm not providing IT support for Windows. ;-) 20:10 < akh> later, all 20:10 -!- akh [n=akhansen@ldx3.psfc.mit.edu] has quit [] 20:11 < RangerRick> werd, all updated to use Fink_Header now 20:12 < RangerRick> which you can edit by editing Template:Fink_Header 20:14 < Amgine> Anytime, RangerRick. 20:14 < RangerRick> :) 20:17 -!- dmacks [n=dmacks@netspace.org] has joined #fink 20:18 < cirdan> hey RangerRick it doesnt seem to work too well, the regex 20:18 < cirdan> here's an example 20:18 < cirdan> (\d+)\s*-\s*(.+)\s*-\s*(.+)\s*-\s*(.+) 20:19 < cirdan> for 03-artist-album-title 20:19 < RangerRick> I gave a regex that matched the file you said (or should) 20:20 < RangerRick> can't speak for how they do it 20:20 < cirdan> yeah, and they have like no docs on it :-( 20:20 < cirdan> know what the \s* is for? 20:20 < cirdan> spaces? 20:21 < RangerRick> yes 20:21 -!- You're now known as RangerAway 20:27 < dmacks> split() is prolly more efficient than capturing results from the regex 20:27 < cirdan> dmacks: this is in the program mediarage 20:27 < dmacks> Oh, you're trying to understand, not write something from scratch? 20:27 < cirdan> yeah 20:27 < cirdan> just make a regex to match parts of the filename 20:31 < dmacks> If I'm trying to parse fields separated with a consistent delimiter, split() is lots easier to write and understand also:) 20:33 < dmacks> Someting like: my($track,$artist,$album,$title) = split /\s*-\s*/, $string 20:38 < dmacks> bbraun: distfiles-msgs list distribution is working again. Thanks! 20:38 -!- auslander is now known as alejo 20:41 < newmanbe> Uh oh. 20:41 < newmanbe> I've gotten to the point when people asign me work when I'm not here... 20:41 < dmacks> It's an honor, no? 20:42 < newmanbe> I'm not sure... 20:44 < newmanbe> Bah, I made irssi change the color for a channel I'm an op in to test, now it logs everything that is said to window 1. 20:50 -!- Feanor [n=astrange@mp1-248-98.dialup.emory.edu] has joined #fink 21:10 -!- Feanor [n=astrange@opendarwin/developer/feanor] has quit [] 21:15 < newmanbe> Sigh, OpenDarwin totally needs a Gopher-based Wiki. 21:15 < Amgine> Gopher-based? 21:15 < newmanbe> Amgine: You new here? :) 21:16 < Amgine> I'm not really here... I'm with Wikimedia Foundation sorta... 21:16 < newmanbe> Ah. 21:17 < Amgine> I'm somewhat familiar with the software, and willing to be an IRC faq on it. 21:17 < newmanbe> Well, if I was a mean person, I'd tell you that the World Wide Web is the worst thing to happen to the Internet and that the Wikimedia Foundation is not helping. 21:17 < newmanbe> But good thing for you, I'm not. ;) 21:17 < newmanbe> Amgine: Gopher is not software. 21:17 < Amgine> I happen to agree. Gopher, iirc, is a protocol. 21:17 < newmanbe> It is the only common place standardized virutal file system. 21:18 < dmacks> Amgine: Ah.../me was trying to figure out who this unknown person was editing the fink wiki:) 21:19 < Amgine> I don't believe file-based wikis are very robust. 21:19 < newmanbe> Gopher does not have to be file-based. 21:19 < newmanbe> I know a server that is at least partly uses MySQL. 21:19 < Amgine> I was just creating an example, dmacks. You have, btw, taken over that wiki very nicely. Way more than 50% of the articles. 21:19 < dmacks> heh:) 21:20 < Amgine> 21:20 < newmanbe> And I'm not sure what considers means by robust. 21:21 < dmacks> We're using it especially as a whiteboard for on-going development, which is on-going in many different directions. 21:21 < Amgine> Well, speed, efficiency, and ability to push the hardware to its maximum. 21:22 * newmanbe laughs at someone saying that Gopher doesn't have speed. 21:23 < dmacks> Given its current lack of widespread support in software, the speed is often zero. 21:23 < dmacks> That's bad. 21:23 < newmanbe> dmacks: Gecko supports it. 21:23 < cirdan> or oo 21:23 < Amgine> I'm not saying it doesn't have speed. I don't know. But when you describe it as a virtual file system I have to wonder. 21:23 < cirdan> i used to like gopher 21:23 < newmanbe> And who cares if they are using Microsoft Internet Explorer? ;) 21:23 < newmanbe> cirdan: oo? 21:24 < dmacks> gopher rocked. Then http+html rocked much harder. 21:24 < newmanbe> Amgine: The file system information is transmited in plain text with a fairly short line per directory/link/movie/sound/image. 21:24 < newmanbe> Or even HTML if you really want it to. 21:25 < Amgine> Yes. And how quickly can the hd respond? 21:25 < cirdan> newmanbe: inf. 21:25 < cirdan> :-) 21:25 < newmanbe> Inf? 21:25 < cirdan> infinity 21:25 < cirdan> bah 21:25 < cirdan> !ga newmanbe 21:25 < Melian> newmanbe sucks... :-p 21:25 < newmanbe> Melian: forget ga 21:25 < Melian> newmanbe: i didn't have anything called 'ga' to forget 21:26 < cirdan> mwahahaha 21:26 * newmanbe wonders how it is you implemented that. 21:26 < cirdan> ]:-D 21:26 < newmanbe> /join #blootbot 21:26 < newmanbe> Heheh. :) 21:26 < cirdan> i still won't tell ya 21:26 < dmacks> That'd confuse the hell out of my deaf friends. 21:26 < newmanbe> dmacks: What would? 21:27 < cirdan> dmacks? 21:27 < dmacks> Beginning a sentence with "ga" 21:27 < cirdan> oh 21:27 < cirdan> hah 21:27 < newmanbe> I'm sure it is some mean acronym or something. 21:33 < cirdan> !wtf ga 21:33 < Melian> Gee... I don't know what ga means... 21:34 < newmanbe> cirdan: Of your own invention I meant. 21:35 < cirdan> newmanbe: you were the once that gave it to Melian in the first place 21:35 < cirdan> i think it was go away or something 21:35 < newmanbe> I have no idea what you are talking about. 21:36 < newmanbe> All lies! Lies from a Gopher traitor! 21:37 < cirdan> :-p 21:51 -!- chris01 [n=chris01@84-73-56-45.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [] 21:52 < newmanbe> !alicekill fink 21:52 < Melian> I want to kill fink, I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill fink. Kill. I wanna see fink's blood and gore and guts and have fink's veins in my teeth. Eat fink's dead burnt body. I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL! and I jump around with newmanbe, yelling "KILL, KILL" 21:52 < newmanbe> It is compiling an httpd! 21:53 < newmanbe> And not even telling me! 21:53 < newmanbe> Well, it might have. 21:53 < newmanbe> It could be the apr thing that has been giving me a headache. 21:56 -!- regeya [n=shane@adsl-sp3-cdale176.micgi.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:09 -!- citizen_0 [n=user@va-sterling-u1-c5c-a-146.chvlva.adelphia.net] has joined #fink 22:12 * newmanbe tacks a wack at apr. 22:12 < newmanbe> I mean chris01. 22:13 < newmanbe> Cause of my problems the whole time. 22:13 < newmanbe> It wouldn't have been at all possible to allow a package and it's crypto varient for a Depends:. 22:15 < mcp> evening 22:15 < newmanbe> mcp: Hello. 22:16 < mcp> anyone using kde 3.4.2 on tiger? I experience many segfaults all over the place, kdeinit, kwin, kmail and so on 22:16 < newmanbe> No, I rarely ever use X11. 22:17 < newmanbe> You'd have to ask RangerRick when he is not RangerAway. 22:17 < RangerAway> the only segfault I've seen is kaddressbook which is a known issue which I'm working on 22:17 -!- You're now known as RangerRick 22:17 < RangerRick> if it's all segfaulting, something's seriously wrong 22:17 < mcp> hmm 22:17 < RangerRick> do you get any crash logs? 22:17 < mcp> yes 22:17 < mcp> in kmail for example, edit an account *boom* segfault 22:18 < mcp> compiled with xcode 2.1's gcc4 22:18 < RangerRick> gcc4?? 22:18 < RangerRick> how are you doing that? 22:18 < RangerRick> fink's kde is still built with 3.3 22:19 < mcp> ok, then gcc3 ;) 22:19 < RangerRick> (phew) 22:19 < RangerRick> kmail (and anything else that links kaddressbook) is part of that known issue 22:19 < RangerRick> kdeinit and kwin are a whole other matter 22:19 < mcp> where do you set that? I don't see a GCC line in the info files 22:20 < RangerRick> it's got GCC: 3.3 in all of them that I'm aware of, if not it's a bug :) 22:20 < RangerRick> also export CC=gcc-3.3 CXX=g++-3.3 22:20 < mcp> ok 22:20 < mcp> :) 22:20 < mcp> k 22:20 < mcp> .oO(it would be nice if Firefox native would be as fast as firefox in x11 ;( )Oo. 22:21 < mcp> RangerRick: did you find the error why kmail and anything that links to kaddress segfaults? 22:21 < RangerRick> damn, kaddressbook is still crashing in gpgme 22:21 < mcp> ok 22:21 < mcp> :) 22:24 < mcp> btw, i've got an built error with koffice 22:24 < mcp> don't have that handy right now :( 22:25 < RangerRick> mcp: something about libkvcard? 22:25 < RangerRick> if so, selfupdate 22:25 < mcp> yep, if I remember correctly 22:26 < mcp> k 22:28 -!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has quit ["Common Lisp IRC library - http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-irc"] 22:28 < mcp> codeman@pbook:[/Users/codeman] # dpkg -l|wc -l 22:28 < mcp> 645 22:28 < mcp> and it grows ;) 22:28 -!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has joined #fink 22:42 -!- Amgine [n=Amgine@S0106000d93cb35a5.vc.shawcable.net] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7/20040616]"] 23:07 < dmacks> RangerRick: Youmaybe wanna add a Wiki page about this system-openssl thing and how a maintainer can write a merged package (Provides/Depends/whatevers to give a decent upgrade path)? 23:07 < RangerRick> dmacks: sure 23:08 < dmacks> Thx. 23:09 * RangerRick realizes his dpkg package accidentally depends on libgettext3-dev instead of -shlibs ;) 23:09 < dmacks> A perfect testing ground for my new IBD alternative! 23:10 < RangerRick> you've got IBD working? 23:10 < dmacks> *alternative* 23:10 < RangerRick> which is? 23:10 < dmacks> http://wiki.opendarwin.org/index.php/InheritedBuildDepends#Alternate_solution 23:10 < newmanbe> RangerRick: He can't tell you Mr. Wacko-Elitist Potty Mouth. 23:11 < RangerRick> newmanbe: go to hell! 23:11 < RangerRick> :) 23:11 < RangerRick> dmacks: I'd originally proposed that, but I think max (or maybe drm?) shot it down 23:11 < RangerRick> if it was max, maybe this time we can do it ;) 23:11 < RangerRick> oh 23:11 < dmacks> I can't believe you saw fit to speak to him even enough to say that. 23:11 < RangerRick> I remember why you can't do it 23:12 < RangerRick> foo-dev depends on gettext-dev 23:12 < dmacks> Hmm...was before my'n'vasi's time. 23:12 < RangerRick> when you try to build something that builddepends on libgettext3-dev, it can't remove gettext-dev 23:12 * newmanbe wonders what timezone the gopher server is keeping its logs in. 23:12 < RangerRick> it breaks replacing dev packages 23:12 < newmanbe> Oh wait, it's the first today. 23:12 < newmanbe> Activity on the Gopher server! 23:13 < newmanbe> Reading ever log for fink. 23:13 < dmacks> libgettext3-dev:Replaces/Conflicts:gettext-dev no? 23:13 < newmanbe> Quite a few times at that... 23:13 < RangerRick> dmacks: yes 23:13 < RangerRick> and then dpkg tries to remove it 23:13 < RangerRick> but won't because something still depends on it 23:13 < dmacks> Nope...fink would have already removed whatever depends on it. 23:14 < dmacks> (see first *done* item in "implemenation plan" 23:14 < RangerRick> hm 23:14 < RangerRick> which breaks "useful for people using Fink to install -dev for their own (!fink) uses" 23:15 < RangerRick> since we remove packages out from under them 23:15 < dmacks> It'll make fink *more* useful (vs the current very-difficultly-useful). And it will prompt before doing this 23:17 < dmacks> (given that BD already removes packages out from under them, at least this will give them consistent sets) 23:26 -!- beniamino [n=ben@adsl-66-124-233-134.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #fink 23:33 < cirdan> yo 23:35 < dmacks> eh? 23:43 < dmacks> meh 23:43 -!- dmacks [n=dmacks@pdpc/supporter/active/dmacks] has quit ["leaving"] 23:43 -!- drm [n=drm@kitp121.itp.ucsb.edu] has joined #fink 23:43 < cirdan> hey drm 23:44 < drm> hi cirdan 23:44 < drm> pogma, you awake? 23:44 < cirdan> yup 23:44 < cirdan> he is 23:45 * drm needs pogma's libtool expertise 23:46 < pogma> hi 23:47 < drm> pogma, i'm finally getting back to something from last fall: making a libiconv package which behaves properly no matter the status of gettext 23:47 < drm> pogma: you might remember this, because you helped me with the version of it I had last fall 23:48 < drm> what we do is build gettext during the building of libiconv and force linking to the just-built copy 23:48 < pogma> yeah, build both in one .info file, one of them twice 23:48 < drm> and there was some magic to get it to not relink, which you supplied 23:49 < drm> anyway, today i am back to this, trying to make it work with the lastest libiconv (under the theory that if i am doing it, i might as well update) 23:49 < drm> but the "don't relink" magic isn't working 23:49 < drm> which i'm assuming means that they are using a different version of libtool than before 23:49 < pogma> Hmm, what libtool version? 23:49 < cirdan> hmm 23:49 < drm> (the trick before was to replace relink_commands with nothing, in .la files) 23:49 < cirdan> anyone here use php5? 23:50 < drm> pogma: how do I tell? 23:50 < pogma> ./libtool --version 23:50 < drm> bah, that's too easy :) 23:50 < drm> 1.5.10 23:51 * cirdan needs the magic for the config files 23:51 < pogma> okay, that doesn't relink on darwin anyway 23:51 < drm> well, i im getting "warning: remember to run 'libtool --finish /fink/lib" 23:51 < pogma> ignore it 23:51 < drm> and then it is linking something during "make install" which fails 23:51 < drm> becuase it finds the wrong copy of the lib 23:51 < pogma> eek 23:52 < pogma> put it in exp somewhere and I will look a little later (gotta shower, put clothes on and so on sometime) 23:52 < drm> there is a strange line...half a sec 23:52 < drm> pogma: will do 23:56 < drm> pogma: ok, its in experimental/dmrrsn/libiconv.info (for reference, the old one from last fall is still at experimental/dmrrsn/base/libiconv.info) --- Log closed Fri Sep 02 00:00:29 2005