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00:14  * akh has the vague urge to subscribe people who post frequently to the lists but aren't subscribed.
00:15 < akh> On 'no mail' of course.
00:18 < newmanbe> akh: So volunteering be to do work now are you?
00:18 < cirdan> akh: not a bad idea
00:22 < akh> I'll start keeping records now and if somebody posts twice they're subscribed.
00:23 < akh> newmanbe:  It's actually _less_ work:  I'll be able to assume more of the message queue is SPAM and not bother reading it for content.
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00:26 < newmanbe> akh: I was talking about the wiki.
00:28 < akh> newmanbe: ah--I had a parse error on your sentence.  ;-)
00:28 < akh> I figured since you did the first MW conversion.
00:29 < akh> ..
00:29 < akh> But it's pretty much all moved now.
00:29 < akh> Feel free to contribute in any case.
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01:00 < akh> hmmm...mailing lists seem lagged...
01:00 < akh> (at least for the stuff I moderated through)
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01:02 < zizban> must be you
01:04 < akh> must be
01:06  * akh can accept that.  ;-)
01:07  * newmanbe blames SourceForge.net.
01:07 < akh> newmanbe:  Most likely.
01:07 < akh> They're starting to show up now.
01:07  * akh is just jonesin' to tell the guy who posted to -core to RTFF
01:09 < zizban> heh
01:09 < cirdan> ?
01:09  * cirdan looks
01:10 < akh> I don't have it here yet on gmane
01:10 < zizban> is it the same guy who went off about whacko elitists?
01:10 < akh> Nah, just somebody with a broken head
01:10 < zizban> ah
01:11 < akh> That one should be "You installed stuff that overwrote your system files, dumbass!  It's not our fault."
01:11 < newmanbe> zizban: What was the subject/list for that?
01:11 < zizban> I dunno off hand
01:11 < zizban> The mail was posted here to mock but I'm not on any lists
01:12 < newmanbe> You're not!!!!
01:12 < zizban> hello no, sir :)
01:13  * akh can fix that.
01:13 < akh> ):-)
01:13 < zizban> heh
01:13 < akh> But I won't, unless you post twice to a list.
01:13 < zizban> I appreciate that :)
01:13 < akh> And you wouldn't _receive_ any mail, anyway.
01:14 < akh> The "post-only" option is underutilized by the general community IMO.
01:14 < zizban> woor
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01:23 < cirdan> grr
01:24 < cirdan> Melian: ping
01:25 < cirdan> !botsnack
01:25 < Melian> cirdan: aw, gee
01:25 < akh> Seems alive at any rate.
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01:34 < newmanbe> !gopher
01:34 < Melian> i heard gopher is like HTTP and anonymous FTP, but better.
01:34 < newmanbe> !forget gopher
01:34 < Melian> i forgot gopher, newmanbe
01:34 < newmanbe> You can have authenticated Gopher.
01:35 < akh> Authenticated gopher?  Whodathunk it?
01:36 < newmanbe> Yeah I know. Haven't been able to get it working though.
01:36 < cirdan> heh
01:36 < cirdan> newbie:foo@gpher.com
01:38 < newmanbe> I don't get that.
01:39 < pogma> user:pass
01:39 < newmanbe> Ah.
01:43 < newmanbe> cirdan: A newbie in Gopher doesn't stay one for long. ;)
01:45 < pogma> 'cause they won't stay for long? :-p
01:49 < akh> heh
01:50 < akh> Gopher:  the Betamax of file transfer protocols
01:50 < akh> newmanbe:  I assume you've read http://www.scn.org/~bkarger/gopher-manifesto
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01:56 < akh> hmm...maybe I rejected the message from "broken-head" guy.
02:02 < pogma> has someone actually installed any 10.4.3 seeds can tell me if DYLD_FALLBACK_LIBRARY_PATH bug is fixed
02:02 < pogma> radarweb wnats feedback on the bug and I don't feel like downloading seed
02:04 < newmanbe> I've read the Gopher Manifesto before.
02:05 < newmanbe> Most of the HTTP links in it are broken.
02:06 < akh> pogma;  just a sec--I'll reboot my remote machine to my 10.4.3 test drive.
02:07 < newmanbe> Hmm, talk is cool. No body to use it with but myself though. :(
02:07 < akh> On the wiki?
02:07 < newmanbe> 'Cept it's broken for me on Mac OS X.
02:07 < newmanbe> No, UNIX talk and ytalk and friends.
02:08 < akh> ah
02:08  * akh used to use the VMS "telephone".
02:08 < newmanbe> Hmm, I have two computers playing music and the radio on all at once.
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02:10 -!- Topic for #fink: Have a question? Check the FAQ: http://fink.sf.net/faq || Latest Installers: 0.6.4 (10.2), 0.7.2 (10.3), 0.8.0 (10.4) || Fink 0.24.10: Cameloparadalis
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02:10 [Users #fink]
02:10 [ Airo     ] [ Clef       ] [ gzl         ] [ kito     ] [ muesli    ] [ swix  ] 
02:10 [ akh      ] [ cmeme      ] [ htodd       ] [ knghtbrd ] [ newmanbe  ] [ usata ] 
02:10 [ armenb   ] [ eno-away   ] [ jack-       ] [ KraMer   ] [ pnorman   ] [ zorton] 
02:10 [ bbraun   ] [ Erik____   ] [ JosephSpiros] [ lisppaste] [ pogma     ] 
02:10 [ beniamino] [ gecko2     ] [ jtyler_     ] [ mcp      ] [ RangerAw1y] 
02:10 [ BleedAway] [ gopherd    ] [ kane-xs     ] [ mee_bot  ] [ RangerAway] 
02:10 [ cirdan   ] [ grub_booter] [ kbroderick  ] [ Melian   ] [ runelind  ] 
02:10 -!- Irssi: #fink: Total of 38 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 38 normal]
02:10 -!- Channel #fink created Sun Aug  3 18:57:20 2003
02:10 < newmanbe> No, I've given that up. I play the contrbass now.
02:10 < newmanbe> 'cept Data's sort'a dead.
02:10 < akh> Yeah
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02:10 < newmanbe> Because Brent Spiner's a cheap'o.
02:10 < akh> heh
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02:15 -!- Topic for #fink: Have a question? Check the FAQ: http://fink.sf.net/faq || Latest Installers: 0.6.4 (10.2), 0.7.2 (10.3), 0.8.0 (10.4) || Fink 0.24.10: Cameloparadalis
02:15 -!- Topic set by akh [] [Thu Aug 25 11:00:59 2005]
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02:15 [ akh      ] [ cmeme      ] [ htodd       ] [ knghtbrd ] [ newmanbe  ] [ usata ] 
02:15 [ armenb   ] [ eno-away   ] [ jack-       ] [ KraMer   ] [ pnorman   ] [ zorton] 
02:15 [ bbraun   ] [ Erik____   ] [ JosephSpiros] [ lisppaste] [ pogma     ] 
02:15 [ beniamino] [ gecko2     ] [ jtyler_     ] [ mcp      ] [ RangerAw1y] 
02:15 [ BleedAway] [ gopherd    ] [ kane-xs     ] [ mee_bot  ] [ RangerAway] 
02:15 [ cirdan   ] [ grub_booter] [ kbroderick  ] [ Melian   ] [ runelind  ] 
02:15 -!- Irssi: #fink: Total of 38 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 38 normal]
02:15 -!- Channel #fink created Sun Aug  3 18:57:20 2003
02:15 < newmanbe> RangerAw1y!
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02:15 < akh> Why not?  There's two away incarnations of the Ranger
02:16 < newmanbe> Hehe.
02:16 < newmanbe> He's really away.
02:18 < akh> meh--_had_ to use VNC to set my partition for some reason.
02:18 < newmanbe> Hmm, I'm going to see if I can get a .app for NeXTStep to compile.
02:19 < akh> May as well
02:20  * akh is bummed:  the GNUStep apps on my Debian box won't work anymore because of freetype2 errors.
02:21 < cirdan> sucks
02:21 < newmanbe> akh: It is of course a Gopher client. :)
02:21 < newmanbe> Hmm, first .Z I've ever gotten.
02:22 < cirdan> haha
02:22 < akh> newmanbe:  Can't say that I'm surprised
02:22 < newmanbe> lol
02:24 < akh> pogma:  It looks like 10.4.3 does indeed fix it.
02:25 < akh> (the latest seed anyway)
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02:25 < akh> Good ol' 8F20
02:26 < pogma> that's great, thanks akh 
02:26  * pogma responds to bug
02:27 < akh> no problem (other than trying to switch my box remotely)
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02:36 < akh> Well, on that happy note, I can declare victory and go to bed.
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03:56 < cougar`> Hey all
03:56 < cougar`> I can't get fink to build
03:56 < cougar`> Can't set build lock for links (0.99-2)
03:56 < drm> !lisppaste
03:56 < Melian> You can use lisppaste to paste errors at http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink , instead of flooding the channel.
03:57 < drm> cougar: can you use lisppaste to paste your error msg please?
03:57 < cougar`> Sure
03:57 < cougar`> But from where?
03:57 < drm> as much as you can
03:57 < cougar`> I guess....
03:57 < cougar`> Okay, here it goes
04:01 < lisppaste> cougar` pasted "Build Failure" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/11316
04:01 < cougar`> That's just cool :P
04:02 < drm> yeah :)
04:02 < drm> try "fink remove openssl097-dev"... that should let you continue
04:03 < cougar`> thanks!
04:03 < cougar`> Don't I need that?
04:04 < cougar`> OK running now
04:04 < drm> the -dev packages are only used for building other packages, and during a big multiple build sometimes there are conflicting -dev packages
04:47 < cirdan> Melian: dpkg -l foo
04:47 < cirdan> Melian: -l foo
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06:05 < gecko2> for what can i use "Flags" (fink.conf)
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06:06 < gecko2> btw, that config option is not explained in the man
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12:13 < sid77> re
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12:33 < drm> morning
12:34 < akh> morning--up early?
12:35 < drm> somehow, i never fully made the time zone change when i moved... been getting up at 5 am pacific
12:35 < akh> Could be worse.  At least you hadn't been used to 5AM Eastern.
12:36 < drm> friend of mine in north carolina who grew up on a farm gets up at, like, 4:30 or 5:00 every day, no matter what time zone he's in!
12:37 < drm> anyway... are we set with the new wiki?
12:37  * drm hasn't really looked
12:37 < akh> I think so.
12:38 < drm> i was wondering if we should put a link to it from the fink website, then
12:38 < akh> It's in my "planned" list on the wiki. ;-)
12:38 < drm> :)
12:39 < akh> I thought I'd put the link in the "Resources" area on the main page.
12:39 < drm> also, it would be nice to find a way to back it up into CVS without you having to do so by hand (like you were doing with the old one)
12:39 < drm> akh: "Resources" area sounds good
12:40 < akh> I'll see if I can find out anything--I never figured out if MediaWiki supports page exports--maybe a plugin is needed for that.
12:41 < drm> pogma, did you get a chance to look at libiconv? i can just lisppaste some of the output from my build run if you want
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12:56 < akh> Heh--just found a way to make the wiki more hierarchical.
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13:11 < pogma> drm, sorry it had just failed to build when I had to go out
13:12 < drm> np
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13:19 < pogma> drm: Look in libiconv/src/Makefile.in
13:20 < pogma> case "@host_os@" in
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13:21 < drm> yeah, that looks like the source of the prob
13:21 < drm> hard to know what they think they are doing :/
13:21 < pogma> I have no idea
13:22 < drm> there is a comment just before that
13:23 < drm> looks like he is trying to work around a solaris problem
13:23 < drm> anyway, i will fix that with a patch and see how it goes...thanks!
13:26 < akh> mmm...new undocumented fink feature...*i* in "fink list" for installed packages that are sans local debs.
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13:29 < akh> Or is it for sans package descriptions?
13:30 < akh> (the package I was looking at had both issues)
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13:51 < akh> Before I commit it, does anybody want to give feedback on my proposed addition to the Resources on the main page?
13:51 < akh> My demo is at http://ldx3.psfc.mit.edu/~hansen/web/index.php
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14:16 < akh> hmmm...emacs21-nox has been borked for a while and we've gotten the first report of a problem today?
14:16 < akh> Probably because it's not runtime borkage
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14:18 < RangerRick> yeah, that's crazy
14:18 < akh> And I'm not sure the maintainer's still active.
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14:18 < akh> I think my suggested fix is probably the right one.
14:18 < RangerRick> no idea
14:19 < akh> Heh--gonna be some pissed-off Panther users today.
14:20 < akh> (new oo.org rev)
14:20 < RangerRick> hehe
14:20 < RangerRick> no one makes them update-all
14:20 < akh> True:  and the motivation for the new rev looks legitimate.
14:21 < akh> It's probably bad for functionality.
14:21 < RangerRick> oh?
14:21 < akh> Log Message:    Disable IPv6 for Panther.
14:22 < RangerRick> ah, yeah
14:22 < akh> So people will stop complaining about crashes and complain about having to rebuild, instead.  :-)
14:22 < cirdan_> morning
14:23 < akh> <whine? "Why aren't there binaries for everything?" </whine>
14:23 < RangerRick> hehe
14:23 < akh> morning, cirdan_ 
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14:23 < akh> correct tag punctuation is overrated.
14:23 < RangerRick> "because you're too lazy to write an automated build system for us"
14:23 < pogma> well, we really are not providing the service that we should, for all the money that fink makes from our users
14:24 < RangerRick> hah
14:24 < pogma> I mean, hey, RangerRick is raking it in :)
14:24  * akh thinks I've got a business model that can correct that.
14:24 < akh> (not making money from users -- can't do much about the KDE conspiracy)
14:25 < akh> ;-)
14:27 < akh> heh:  "This looks like a bug in emacs21-nox. It illegally depends on a builddepends-only package. I'd recommend the death penalty."
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14:29 < akh> If we killed people for every bad dependency we'd have no maintainers left.  :-)
14:31 < RangerRick> problem solved, no more maintenance nightmare
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14:36 < akh> Other than not fixing anything, of course.  :-)
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11:33 < cirdan> KFontInstall control module got disabled from compilation
11:33 < cirdan> because of missing FreeType 2.x libraries/headers.
11:33 < cirdan> You're missing libsmbclient from samba 3.0
11:33 < cirdan> KDE will not be able to browse windows shares without it,
11:33 < cirdan> consider installing it.
11:35 < RangerRick> does 10.3 have samba 3?
11:35 < RangerRick> I know 10.4 does
11:36 < RangerRick> I've considered putting together a samba-dev package
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14:23 < akh> So the reports of the crypto tree's demise were greatly exaggerated...
14:25 < RangerRick> hehe
14:26 < RangerRick> forgot about gnupg and gpgme11
14:26 < RangerRick> trying to figure out a way to get them in main, but that will take a policy change I think  :)
14:26 < akh> heh
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14:31 < akh> Ah!  The day just doesn't feel right without building some component of KDE.  ;-)
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14:37 < sid77> re
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14:42 < akh> "cleanup --bl" looks like it doesn't clobber working buildlocks.
14:42 < akh> Always a good thing.
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14:54 < akh> dmacks:  You failed to destroy my system with your "cleanup --bl" ;-)
14:54 < dmacks> drat
14:54 < akh> Clearly you're not trying hard enough.
14:55 < dmacks> Did you try the special ";rm -rf /" flag?
14:55 < akh> forgot
14:56 < akh> I'll try out drm's gettext and libiconv--those should be destructive.
14:57 < akh> Cool --works for one lock and two locks, so by induction it should work for infinite locks.
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15:03 < dmacks> ...assuming the locks are spherical, obviously.
15:07 < akh> Or zero-size points.
15:12 < akh> GAAH--shot my build in the foot by swapping out libiconv-dev right at the time that kdepim3 was looking for libiconv.dylib.
15:13 < dmacks> heh
15:14 < dmacks> Do you think we need to support buildlocks from multiple machines using the same (remote-mounted) fink?
15:14 < dmacks> (i.e., should the lock struct include the machine name?)
15:15 < akh> Hmm...do people do that? 
15:16 < akh> use the same fink on multiple boxes
15:16 < dmacks> Dunno. No reason it *shouldn't* work, but IIRC someone said it didn't work too well.
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15:17  * dmacks wondering whether every build process should *automatically* remove all stale locks.
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15:18 < akh> dmacks: Can't see a good reason why not.  That would cut the error reports down to just borked status files.
15:20  * akh hates when people don't define their abbreviations.
15:20 < akh> Then I have to look the damn things up.
15:20 < dmacks> If people have locks on a shared/mounted fink, that would nuke "everyone else's" locks.
15:20 < akh> ah
15:21 < akh> But just everybody else's stale locks?
15:21 < akh> I could see where nuking active locks would be bad.
15:22 < dmacks> No, it would nuke everyone else's *all* locks. (lock struct stores the PID of the fink process that created it; cleanup checks "is that PID alive?")
15:22 < akh> ick
15:23 < dmacks> Guess I should store `uname -n` or somesuch in the struct?
15:23 < akh> yeah
15:24 < akh> RangerRick: I've gotta head out, but did you see the "AUP violation" message?
15:26 < dmacks> What good are the "category" tags of wiki pages?
15:27 < dmacks> (...since none of their links seem to lead anywhere)
15:27 < akh> dmacks:  You can see all of the items in a given category together.
15:27 < dmacks> Ahhh!
15:27 < dmacks> Is that automatic?
15:27 < akh> Yup
15:28 < akh> Other than the Fink category, which leads back to the main page.
15:28 < dmacks> ...and Admins, Core, Fink Documentation, GCC, Gnome, and Xar, that lead nowhere.
15:29 < akh> Oh--guess it's not automatic.
15:29 < akh> BTW--I'm working on renaming all of our pages from foo to Fink:Section:foo
15:30 < akh> That way we can definitely avoid collisions with the main OpenDarwin stuff.
15:30 < dmacks> Good idea.
15:30 < dmacks> (or od can avoid collisions with the main Fink stuff:)
15:30 < akh> Exactly.  Moving the pages works more or less automatically.
15:31 < akh> There's redirects--which I've been been replacing.
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15:34 < akh> Now GNOME works (though there's only one item in the category)
15:34 < akh> (I just created a page and the contents were generated automatically)
15:35 < akh> Time to head out.
15:35 < dmacks> g'nite
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16:14 < RangerRick> akh_gone: wha?
16:14  * RangerRick doesn't know what an AUP is  :)
16:21 < dmacks> "Acceptible Use Policy" perhaps?
16:21 < gecko2> for what can i use "Flags" (fink.conf)
16:21 < gecko2> btw, that config option is not explained in the man
16:22  * gecko2 repeated his question from few houres ago =)
16:22 < dmacks> You can not-touch the field...I think it's for internal status information right now.
16:22 < vasi> yeah, exactly
16:22 < gecko2> ahh
16:22  * gecko2 moves the entry to the developer dection of his fink.conf
16:22 < gecko2> section*
16:23 < dmacks> vasi: I'm still getting occasional 0-second timeouts for prompts (I have never added any categories to my fink.conf). Is something goofy in the default handler?
16:24 < vasi> i've not observed that :-(
16:24 < gecko2> the other question is: i still wait for a response to my update submission of joe
16:24 < vasi> any particular prompt where this occurs?
16:24 < gecko2> since a bit over a month
16:25 < vasi> gecko2, we unfortunately have limited manpower :-(
16:25 < vasi> if you ask around on-channel, you'll probably find someone with time soon
16:25 < dmacks> I *think* it's during swappy-code, but I'm usually in the middle of lotsa builds when it happens and forget to write down the exact situation:(
16:25 < vasi> but i can't commit to it until 0.25 is out
16:26 < gecko2> vasi: i would submit it myself, if i were a developer =)
16:26 < gecko2> but i'm not
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16:26 < vasi> gecko2, i know you're trying to help :-)
16:27 < gecko2> yep
16:29 < vasi> dmacks, does it print "assuming default"?
16:29 < vasi> or just act normal but time-out immediately?
16:29 < vasi> and does it actually print "TIMEOUT:..."
16:29 < vasi> ?
16:35 < dmacks> It does *not* print TIMEOUT, can't remember other details.
16:41 < vasi> hmm, very weird
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16:53 < RangerRick> are drm's gettext packages supposed to be testable?  :)
16:57 < RangerRick> ah, looks like I had old files sitting around
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17:04 < drm> RangerRick: did you do "cvs up" in my directory before copying?
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17:05 < RangerRick> drm: yeah, false positive
17:05 < RangerRick> I'd copied your directory from earlier
17:05 < RangerRick> and then cvs up'd and copied again
17:05 < RangerRick> there was some overlap of old/new packages
17:05 < RangerRick> deleting everything and re-copying seems to have allowed it to continue
17:05 < drm> ok, cool
17:06 < drm> jfm noticed a weirdness with what libiconv links to, so there will be a new rev of that one once i figure it out
17:06 < RangerRick> ok
17:06 < drm> thanks for the help
17:06 < RangerRick> sure
17:07 < RangerRick> phase install failed
17:07 < drm> lisppaste please?
17:08 < RangerRick> gettin' there, different machien  :)
17:08 < drm> :)
17:08 < RangerRick> my bad, compile failed
17:08 < lisppaste> RangerRick pasted "compile failed for libiconv" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/11333
17:09 < drm> yeah, it got the wrong gettext...grrr
17:09 < drm> back to the drawing board!
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17:10 < drm> how come you have -L/sw/lib in that link line and I don't?
17:10  * drm reads the Makefile again
17:10 < RangerRick> coming from an existing .la maybe?
17:10 < RangerRick> I can tar up my build dir if you want  :)
17:10 < drm> yeah, that would help...thanks
17:11 < drm> anyway, i'm "happy" i asked for testers :)
17:11 < RangerRick> hehe
17:11 < RangerRick> oh c'mon, just release it!
17:11  * drm is not cirdan
17:11  * RangerRick is wishing he had a non-crypto/ gnupg and gpgme11  :(
17:11 < drm> (drm ducks)
17:12 < RangerRick> also, I thought I was being clever with my unified kde packagse, forgetting that many versions of kdelibs* conflict with their ssl counterparts and vice-versa
17:12 < drm> yeah
17:12 < RangerRick> so it's essentially impossible to upgrade in some situations  :(
17:12 < drm> upgrade path is a pain to figure out
17:12 < RangerRick> I still haven't figured out how to fix it
17:12 < drm> you may have to change the names or something
17:12 < RangerRick> I did!
17:12 < RangerRick> the "real" packages are kdelibs3-unified and so on
17:12 < RangerRick> but I still have to have kdelibs3 and kdelibs3-ssl for upgrade
17:13 < RangerRick> well
17:13 < RangerRick> yeah
17:13 < RangerRick> nothing depends on them anymore
17:13 < RangerRick> I'm not sure how people are ending up with kdelibs3 installed though
17:14 < drm> people mixing stable and unstable, perhaps?
17:14 < RangerRick> I don't know
17:14 < RangerRick> I don't see how
17:14 < RangerRick> ooooh
17:14 < RangerRick> I know
17:14 < RangerRick> old stuff that depends on kdelibs3 | kdebase3
17:14 < RangerRick> or something along those lines
17:14 < RangerRick> I need to update anything that depends on KDE maybe?
17:14 < RangerRick> hmm
17:14 < RangerRick> sad thing is, an apt-update would do the right thing, I think
17:14 < RangerRick> it would ignore the errors until everything got updated
17:15 < drm> how can something depend on kdelibs3|kdebase3
17:15 < drm> that doesn't make sense
17:15 < RangerRick> er, sorry, kdelibs3|kdelibs3-ssl
17:15 < RangerRick> getting ahead of myself  :)
17:15 < drm> ah, ok
17:15 < RangerRick> it's a friggin' mess
17:15 < RangerRick> once everyone's upgraded, it will be fine
17:15 < RangerRick> but I've got some stuck upgrade paths and I'm not sure how to repair them  ;(
17:18 < drm> are you gonna email the tarball, or is there a place i can grab it?
17:19 < RangerRick> I'll have it up somewhere in a sec
17:21 < RangerRick> http://ranger.befunk.com/misc/libiconv-1.10-2.tar.bz2
17:23 < drm> safari, or 10.4, wants to put a suffix ".tar" onto that filename... weird
17:23 < vasi> drm, it's Safari
17:23 < vasi> it does that to bz2 files
17:23 < drm> hey vasi
17:23 < vasi> hiya
17:23 < drm> well, shame on it!
17:23 < vasi> i just use wget :-)
17:24 < vasi> RR, i'll try to get filelight and kdirstat upgraded soon
17:24 < vasi> is there anything special i've gotta do?
17:26 < RangerRick> depend on kdelibs3-unified and/or kdebase3-unified instead
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17:27 < vasi> yeah, i get that part :-)
17:31 < RangerRick> shouldn't need to do anything else wacky
17:31 < vasi> okily doke then
17:32  * RangerRick slaps his hfforehead
17:33 < RangerRick> I never updated bundle-kde to use -unified for kdelibs3 and kdebase3!
17:33 < RangerRick> no wonder it was forcing ssl users to have kdelibs
17:33 < RangerRick> ergh
17:33  * RangerRick is a dumbass
17:33 < RangerRick> or, as they say, a whacko elitist
17:36 < vasi> <g>
17:54 < drm> why do these idiots have circular dependencies anyway?
17:54 < drm> libiconv and gettext
17:54 < drm> man, its a pain
17:55 < drm> for those just joining us, libiconv builds differently, depending on whether gettext is already installed or not
17:55 < drm> but gettext depends on libiconv
17:55 < drm> grrr
17:56 < RangerRick> yeah
17:56 < RangerRick> lame lame lame
17:56 < RangerRick> it's like you've gotta build everything twice
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17:56 < drm> but its worse than that... the configure script is checking for what's there... BOTH configure scripts check for BOTH packages
17:57 < RangerRick> heh
17:59 < drm> now i am mucking around with configure variables... rather dangerous game
18:00 < drm> telling configure to *not* look for one of the pkgs
18:00 < drm> we shall see :)
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18:03 < drm> bbl
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18:06 < cirdan> heh
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18:21 < cougar`> loha
18:22 < cirdan> Melian: cougar is a stu.
18:22 < Melian> okay, cirdan
18:22 < cougar`> Melian: forget cougar
18:23 < Melian> cougar`: i forgot cougar
18:23 < cirdan> !opp cougar` 
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19:24 < cirdan> ppl need to donate to fink and then fink can donate to the relief fund
19:24 < cirdan> :-)
19:41 < cougar`> hehe
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19:53 < akh> There can be only one.
20:05 < cirdan> hmm
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